Post by: D-Rock425 on August 13, 2013, 06:17:42 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on August 13, 2013, 07:32:30 AM
I thought the son was runnong it. :dunno:yeah I think he was into the ground :chuckle:
Post by: 724wd on August 13, 2013, 08:53:36 AM
Limbsavers got it :bash:
do you have the statement for this? i've not seen any announcement on AT, Martin Tech Forum, martinarchery.com...
i've heard a lot of rumors, almost all of them unfounded... not saying it isn't true, but i've not seen any statement stating such
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 13, 2013, 09:03:17 AM
Limbsavers got it :bash:why would that be a bad thing if limbsaver did get it?
Post by: mountainman on August 13, 2013, 09:09:51 AM
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Post by: whackmaster on August 13, 2013, 12:12:29 PM
hope i didnt give the wrong impression dont think its a bad thing was just hoping RADSAV got it :twocents:Limbsavers got it :bash:why would that be a bad thing if limbsaver did get it?
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 13, 2013, 04:08:13 PM
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Post by: 724wd on August 13, 2013, 08:33:31 PM
There going through bankruptcy and will be auctioned of September 1 st there a done deal.
i'd still like to see some documentation on that. i can't find anything credible on the internet. only hearsay. no court reports come up anywhere.
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 08:39:02 PM
Wow. I have shot/hunted with a Martin bow for 30 years and I Just got my second Bow last May I'm looking forward to hunting with it this year. I had a Martin Lynx had the limbs replaced twice on it over the years and I had the oversized cams put on it when I bought it, I used to shoot at 100 pounds with it. Then I tore the rotor in my shoulder and could not turn the bow down past 70 pounds So I got a new one. Shooting 55 pounds now and I love it. I know there may be better bows on the market but I have killed over 40 animals with that old bow. I hope who ever buys them out contiunes to make a good product.100 pounds!!! :yike: What were you hunting......Peterbilts?
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on August 13, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
I heard Bushnell bought then out when they bought goldtip. And for those who don't know, Gail Martin died last month.
We were fortunate to have Gail Martin stay here at the Lodge a couple times along with his son Dan & wife and Gail's wife Eva. Very classy man. I know he is in the big Hunting Ground in the sky. Boy , the stories he told....................................RIP Gail :'(
Post by: huntnnw on August 13, 2013, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: sirfunkeybut on August 13, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 14, 2013, 01:11:59 AM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 14, 2013, 01:16:10 AM
Long talk with Terry this evening. Nothing is done yet! Steve at Limbsaver was pretty excited about it, but no deal has been reached. Little boy Reali is still talking with them as are a few others. Not a lot of time to get things done, but there is still hope of it being saved. Don't count RAD out completely yet ;) ;)I hope someone gets them and gets them back on track.
Its been awhile since ive shot a Martin but I remember getting my first signed check from them as a "pro shooter".. Ill always have a warm place in my heart for them :tup:
Post by: huntnnw on August 14, 2013, 01:18:20 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 14, 2013, 02:32:57 AM
I hope someone gets them and gets them back on track.
Its been awhile since ive shot a Martin but I remember getting my first signed check from them as a "pro shooter".. Ill always have a warm place in my heart for them :tup:
I remember the first day I went to the range with my emerald green risered Cougar Magnum. Everyone out there shooting their Bear Whitetail hunters just looked in amazement. Even the guys with Jennings had to stop and take a look. And fast!!! I think those 2117 Autumn Orange shafts were screaming at least 225 fps :IBCOOL: Most everyone was saying they wanted one, but the $295.00 price tag was just too steep for most everyone to consider it :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on August 14, 2013, 02:52:32 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 14, 2013, 03:02:02 AM
Long talk with Terry this evening. Nothing is done yet! Steve at Limbsaver was pretty excited about it, but no deal has been reached. Little boy Reali is still talking with them as are a few others. Not a lot of time to get things done, but there is still hope of it being saved. Don't count RAD out completely yet ;) ;)
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: motg9_6 on August 14, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 15, 2013, 02:03:04 AM
Ok, so my comment was from "back when"I hope someone gets them and gets them back on track.
Its been awhile since ive shot a Martin but I remember getting my first signed check from them as a "pro shooter".. Ill always have a warm place in my heart for them :tup:
I remember the first day I went to the range with my emerald green risered Cougar Magnum. Everyone out there shooting their Bear Whitetail hunters just looked in amazement. Even the guys with Jennings had to stop and take a look. And fast!!! I think those 2117 Autumn Orange shafts were screaming at least 225 fps :IBCOOL: Most everyone was saying they wanted one, but the $295.00 price tag was just too steep for most everyone to consider it :chuckle:
But your comment is from "BACK WHEN!"
:chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on August 15, 2013, 02:17:12 AM
Ok, so my comment was from "back when"
But your comment is from "BACK WHEN!"
:chuckle:
Back when I was AWESOME! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Ok, back to the only day in my life someone might have confused me with someone awesome. Perhaps that's a little more accurate.
Post by: alwinearcher on August 15, 2013, 02:19:24 AM
HahaOk, so my comment was from "back when"
But your comment is from "BACK WHEN!"
:chuckle:
Back when I was AWESOME! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Ok, back to the only day in my life someone might have confused me with someone awesome. Perhaps that's a little more accurate.
Someone once thought I was awesome....
I think :dunno:
I mean I count as someone right? ;-)
Post by: Smossy on August 15, 2013, 02:27:00 AM
You are awesome, No doubt. :tup:HahaOk, so my comment was from "back when"
But your comment is from "BACK WHEN!"
:chuckle:
Back when I was AWESOME! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Ok, back to the only day in my life someone might have confused me with someone awesome. Perhaps that's a little more accurate.
Someone once thought I was awesome....
I think :dunno:
I mean I count as someone right? ;-)
Post by: RadSav on August 15, 2013, 02:30:03 AM
Jokes on her...she's stuck with me now :tung:
Post by: Smossy on August 15, 2013, 02:32:35 AM
My wife says she thought I was awesome when we met. Then after we got married she figured out I was just an ass pretending to be awesome >:(Jokes on YOU, she gets half :chuckle:
Jokes on her...she's stuck with me now :tung:
Post by: RadSav on August 15, 2013, 02:35:40 AM
Post by: Smossy on August 15, 2013, 02:42:16 AM
Yeah your probably right! I'd bet if you ask her she will tell you I'm an ass more than half the time :chuckle:All us guys are. I know I'm an ass lots of the time. Don't deserve my lady or half the things I own. :dunno:
For where I'm at in life and what I've been through. I like to believe sometimes I'm blessed, a reason I stand by karma.
Post by: alwinearcher on August 15, 2013, 02:48:05 AM
Yeah your probably right! I'd bet if you ask her she will tell you I'm an ass more than half the time :chuckle:If I was only an ass half the time my wife would be a happy camper! :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on August 15, 2013, 02:57:06 AM
Tag curious if there's any article or more info available.
I should probably get this back on topic.
From what I am told Gail wanted to keep things rather quiet about the company up for sale. So as far as I am aware there has been no articles written and no ads posted. With the exception of a single little blurb by Terry Martin on Archery Talk. No details just that Gail wanted to retire and the company was going to be put up for sale.
If it were ten years ago we would have bought the company months ago. But dang if lending institutions aren't tighter than heck these days. I actually had an SBA lender tell me that if I was a disabled black women he would have already approved the loan. But, as a white middle aged male with no war injuries they really had no desire to speak with me further.
Guess the market value of my company and the assets we hold means absolutely nothing these days. But we will continue to work on other options until the day the Martin family tells us it's over and done! It's been extremely frustrating to say the least. But, the thought of Gail's legacy disappearing, all those good people losing jobs and Washington state going down to just one major archery manufacturer makes it worth the fight. At least if we go down fighting we can't look back one day and say, "I wish I had tried just a little harder."
If I was only an ass half the time my wife would be a happy camper! :chuckle:
I think the cordial native American woman would agree with that! :tup:
Post by: huntindoc on August 15, 2013, 02:59:45 AM
Bummer.
Post by: huntnnw on August 15, 2013, 03:00:38 AM
Post by: huntnnw on August 15, 2013, 03:01:50 AM
Heard they are pretty well done. Last gasp deal has fallen through and reportedly the fire sale will begin shortly after the first of September. Bank is calling due. They've only got about 5 employees now and they have been notified its over.....
Bummer.
whats your source?
Post by: dreamingbig on August 15, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on August 15, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 15, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
How much $$$ to keep this going? Maybe time to start a hunt wa LLC. It would be a shame to see this company disappear.
Would be a shame indeed!
If each of the 14,581 H-W members each wrote me a check for $100 :dunno: That would come close to buying the building anyway. It's a start :chuckle: That would give members of the "H-W/Martin Real Estate Investment Group" a dividend check of about $10.00 at the end of each year :tup: Assuming we had a tenant of course.
Post by: alwinearcher on August 15, 2013, 10:43:56 PM
How much $$$ to keep this going? Maybe time to start a hunt wa LLC. It would be a shame to see this company disappear.
Would be a shame indeed!
If each of the 14,581 H-W members each wrote me a check for $100 :dunno: That would come close to buying the building anyway. It's a start :chuckle: That would give members of the "H-W/Martin Real Estate Investment Group" a dividend check of about $10.00 at the end of each year :tup: Assuming we had a tenant of course.
Solid buisness plan! :tup:
Where do I send the $100?
Post by: Todd_ID on August 15, 2013, 11:22:56 PM
How much $$$ to keep this going? Maybe time to start a hunt wa LLC. It would be a shame to see this company disappear.
Would be a shame indeed!
If each of the 14,581 H-W members each wrote me a check for $100 :dunno: That would come close to buying the building anyway. It's a start :chuckle: That would give members of the "H-W/Martin Real Estate Investment Group" a dividend check of about $10.00 at the end of each year :tup: Assuming we had a tenant of course.
If you would have promised the SBA a 10% return on an archery company, they would have laughed you out of the building. :chuckle: Or maybe that's what you did? :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 12:18:11 AM
Maybe we should have the wife apply as a disabled minority woman :chuckle: She could be considered disabled if she chose to be! Though from what I understand being 50% Native American means nothing to the SBA. In their eyes I expect she is a middle aged white woman of dark complexion with poor eyesight. Even her native Creek relatives won't recognize her as a part of the family.
In all seriousness we haven't and would never ask for any special treatment. Heck, we even refuse to use the tax breaks it would offer us if she were to choose such a label. Wouldn't be right if we were getting some sort of special treatment just because of her skin color, eye sight and/or family struggles. All we would like to do is borrow off the value of what we ourselves have worked for. A strong company history of constant growth, the largest business of our kind in the world, run at absolute zero debt and with a very strong market value. Combine that with Martin Archery...A company that ran with similar history for nearly 60 years! Ten years ago that combined history would have been more than enough for lenders to take interest. Now? Not so much!
I have made mistakes in this process, but we remain positive. We have to! We are not without our strengths and the fat lady hasn't finished singing yet. As long as there is one more tick of the clock we have an opportunity. Just need to have faith...and a solid business plan ;)
At this point I just want to see someone save the legacy and the tradition of Martin Archery and bow manufacturing in Washington state. Doesn't have to be my company for me to be happy. Just want it revived in a positive way. Too much tradition lost and too many good people out of work if something doesn't happen soon. That would be a dang shame!
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 12:42:04 AM
You are awesome, :tup:
I vote Smossy as the new Jimmy Dean Sausage Sun :tup:
Jimmy Dean | "Spaced Out" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvHj0vovQHI#ws)
Post by: MLBowhunting on August 16, 2013, 12:53:12 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 01:43:00 AM
You the man rad :tup:
Post by: DoubleJ on August 16, 2013, 10:07:01 AM
Post by: 724wd on August 16, 2013, 10:35:03 AM
this is the closest evidence i've seen that the whole thing is going away. we all know Martin the business is for sale, but to sell the building itself without the business...
Post by: Band on August 16, 2013, 10:40:24 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
And with any luck Martin Archery/Damon Howatt will be a division of RAD, Inc. in 2014 ;) In process now of trying to secure the Martin Real Estate.
Post by: elk247 on August 16, 2013, 10:47:40 AM
Post by: whackmaster on August 16, 2013, 11:23:17 AM
Radical Archery Designs, Inc. Plus launching in 2014 will be the New Savora Archery.Good Luck RAD :tup:
And with any luck Martin Archery/Damon Howatt will be a division of RAD, Inc. in 2014 ;) In process now of trying to secure the Martin Real Estate.
Post by: Woodchuck on August 16, 2013, 11:24:38 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 11:41:43 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 16, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 16, 2013, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: xd2005 on August 16, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Post by: 724wd on August 16, 2013, 12:24:18 PM
I dont know it sounds like a lot of money and risk for a dying brand. :twocents:
the issue wasnt the brand name, it was the management.
Post by: Snipe on August 16, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Never had a problem
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 16, 2013, 12:40:34 PM
I really like my Martin Firecat!my dad has an 08 firecat he hasn't once had a problem with it.
Never had a problem
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
I dont know it sounds like a lot of money and risk for a dying brand. :twocents:
It is a lot of money and risk. But people were telling Bear Archery they were a dying brand not more than eight years ago. Same company, same brand, new vision and new people made all the difference. PSE and Diamond were labeled dying brands too at one time! Remember when Apple Computers were labeled as a dying brand? ;) Ford Motors was there too before Lee Iacocca came along with the Mustang. Then Chrysler Motors until again Lee Iacocca came along with the Caravan! See the trend?
Brands dye because the companies loose vision and flexibility. End consumers change every three years on average. Imagine if Microsoft kept working a business model for computer operating systems from just three years ago! Keeping flexible to the changing technologies and consumer/customer base is vital to any company. But to do that you must have a clear vision of who those customers and end consumers are. It is in this area most dying brands meet their eventual doom. However, Lee Iacocca showed us that a single individual, given the right amount of control, who understands not only the industry and technology but the wants and needs of the ever changing consumer can make great things happen! He did it with Ford and Chrysler! Mark Wenberg did it with PSE and Bear Archery! Maybe, just Maybe! With the help of our Hunting-Washington community we can do the same with Martin Archery.
We are "RADICAL Archery Designs" afterall :chuckle:
Post by: xd2005 on August 16, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Maybe, just Maybe! With the help of our Hunting-Washington community we can do the same with Martin Archery.
I think he's saying if it doesn't happen it's our fault. ;)
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 16, 2013, 12:46:13 PM
Proactive leadership has rebounded thousands of "Dying Brands"
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 12:48:16 PM
Maybe, just Maybe! With the help of our Hunting-Washington community we can do the same with Martin Archery.
I think he's saying if it doesn't happen it's our fault. ;)
Hey! If it's good enough for Obama...
Post by: Curly on August 16, 2013, 12:48:40 PM
Hopefully if something breaks on it, I will be able to get parts. :o
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 16, 2013, 12:50:26 PM
You make an excellent point Rad. I havent been in hunting or archery long enoug to know about the other bow lines. But the other examples you bring up are very valid. I will admit I thought you were a little crazy risking everything to tackle this. But it hs been done before and can be done again. I suppose without vision, dreams and risk we wouldn't have anything we have today. Good luck and hope it works out for you. :tup:I dont know it sounds like a lot of money and risk for a dying brand. :twocents:
It is a lot of money and risk. But people were telling Bear Archery they were a dying brand not more than eight years ago. Same company, same brand, new vision and new people made all the difference. PSE and Diamond were labeled dying brands too at one time! Remember when Apple Computers were labeled as a dying brand? ;) Ford Motors was there too before Lee Iacocca came along with the Mustang. Then Chrysler Motors until again Lee Iacocca came along with the minivan! See the trend?
Brands dye because the companies loose vision and flexibility. End consumers change every three years on average. Imagine if Microsoft kept working a business model for computer operating systems from just three years ago! Keeping flexible to the changing technologies and consumer/customer base is vital to any company. But to do that you must have a clear vision of who those customers and end consumers are. It is in this area most dying brands meet their eventual doom. However, Lee Iacocca showed us that a single individual, given the right amount of control, who understands not only the industry and technology but the wants and needs of the ever changing consumer can make great things happen! He did it with Ford and Chrysler! Mark Wenberg did it with PSE and Bear Archery! Maybe, just Maybe! With the help of our Hunting-Washington community we can do the same with Martin Archery.
We are "RADICAL Archery Designs" afterall :chuckle:
Post by: Bean Counter on August 16, 2013, 12:51:05 PM
...then came the bean counters 8)
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
I hope I didn't make a mistake by making the purchase of my first bow as a Martin. People told me not to go with Martin because their future was uncertain, but the price was so much cheaper for the Martin than any other bows out there I decided to take the gamble.
Hopefully if something breaks on it, I will be able to get parts. :o
A built in excuse to buy a new bow! How awesome is that? :chuckle: No more "Honey I want to." Now you can have a "Honey I have to" Sweet lemonade!
Post by: bearpaw on August 16, 2013, 01:04:43 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 16, 2013, 01:21:30 PM
Post by: Band on August 16, 2013, 02:25:07 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
Radsav if this martin deal works out I'll but my hours down and shoot a Martin. :yike:I can't believe I just typed that.
I have no idea what you just said. But I think I like the sound of it. :dunno:
Whether it be RAD or someone else buying Martin Archery I would encourage supporting the local company in some way. Same would go for Sims Vibration. We do not have that many local archery companies left in Washington state. Each and every one of them could use our support to keep jobs and the tradition here! Many of those Sims and Martin employees are members here on Hunting-Washington! Makes them family in a way.
Even if you bleed Hoyt, Bear, PSE, Bowtech or Mathews there is always something from Martin Archery you can get to support the local company. They have a wealth of prepackaged kids bows, entry level traditional bows, take down recurves, custom/hand made traditional bows as well as many other neat little gadgets. Compound sales haven't been their driving force in many years. Would be nice if whomever gets the company changes that! But you can support them without sacrificing your brand loyalty :tup:
I just put a bunch of new SVL goodies on my bow last night. Gives me that Trading Places feeling, "Looking good Billy Ray. Feeling good Lewis". "Made in New Jersey" just doesn't give me that same feeling.
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 02:27:44 PM
I hear that if RadSav acquires Martin the fist bow is free to all HuntWA members. RadSav, can you confirm that rumor? :chuckle: ;)
I have not received Band's real estate investment check yet. So I have "No comment" :chuckle:
Don't forget we are not the only ones in play here. Please support anyone who finds a solution and saves this company!
Post by: Smossy on August 16, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Well said.Radsav if this martin deal works out I'll but my hours down and shoot a Martin. :yike:I can't believe I just typed that.
I have no idea what you just said. But I think I like the sound of it. :dunno:
Whether it be RAD or someone else buying Martin Archery I would encourage supporting the local company in some way. Same would go for Sims Vibration. We do not have that many local archery companies left in Washington state. Each and every one of them could use our support to keep jobs and the tradition here! Many of those Sims and Martin employees are members here on Hunting-Washington! Makes them family in a way.
Even if you bleed Hoyt, Bear, PSE, Bowtech or Mathews there is always something from Martin Archery you can get to support the local company. They have a wealth of prepackaged kids bows, entry level traditional bows, take down recurves, custom/hand made traditional bows as well as many other neat little gadgets. Compound sales haven't been their driving force in many years. Would be nice if whomever gets the company changes that! But you can support them without sacrificing your brand loyalty :tup:
I just put a bunch of new SVL goodies on my bow last night. Gives me that Trading Places feeling, "Looking good Billy Ray. Feeling good Lewis". "Made in New Jersey" just doesn't give me that same feeling.
Post by: Band on August 16, 2013, 02:29:05 PM
"Check's in the mail". In the meantime I'm on my way over to pick up my new bow. 8)I hear that if RadSav acquires Martin the fist bow is free to all HuntWA members. RadSav, can you confirm that rumor? :chuckle: ;)
I have not received Band's real estate investment check yet. So I have "No comment" :chuckle:
Post by: 724wd on August 16, 2013, 03:26:19 PM
i hope Martin is bought by an entity that will continue the value-for-money that has worked well for them, while growing the brand and recovering the trust of those plagued by limb issues (myself included on the MOAB). My dad shot a lot with Gail and painted all Martin bows for years before they went to dipping. they've been a part of my families history for a long time!
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 03:38:44 PM
i started with a Martin when i was about 6 or 7, a Little John wooden handled compound. left archery for many years, but when i came back, i bought a lightly used 2006 Phantom II. killed my first archery buck with it, then bought an '09 MOAB (left over stock in 2010). killed a few more deer while the Phantom became my indoor bow (Nitrous B X cams, elite limbs). then sold the MOAB to my boss and bought an '11 Onza in '12. Killed a 3 pt with it last year with my 5yo daughter at my side. in the meantime, i bought an '04 Slayer Nitrous C X cams for a 3D bow. if i'm able to whack a mulie in the CRP/Sage/wheat this year as is my plan, next year i might dust off the 57# takedown recurve my dad and Danny Martin put together on a LJCH (little john compound handle) riser and see if i can stick a deer with trad gear.
i hope Martin is bought by an entity that will continue the value-for-money that has worked well for them, while growing the brand and recovering the trust of those plagued by limb issues (myself included on the MOAB). My dad shot a lot with Gail and painted all Martin bows for years before they went to dipping. they've been a part of my families history for a long time!
Thank you for that 724! That is exactly what we are fighting for. It's not simply a business risk/decision. It's a family tradition. The Martin family, your family, my family and the Washington state archery family.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on August 16, 2013, 03:51:33 PM
Post by: 724wd on August 16, 2013, 04:07:34 PM
so there's at least 3 bows right there! y9ou're already selling them! :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 16, 2013, 04:26:10 PM
Post by: 724wd on August 16, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
uncle ted turns off as many people as he has on his side.
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 04:41:11 PM
You also would have to get Uncle Ted back on board. It's just not right seeing him shoot a Mathews.
It's not right seeing anyone shooting a Mathews :chuckle:
I would be thrilled to see Ted back with Martin. But if he does another reality show...deals off! >:(
eh. you'd be better off with either a young up and comer (lookin at you Alwine! :chuckle:)or a current hot shot (Cameron, Eichler, etc...)
Alwine :tup:
Would have to raise the price of each Martin bow about $250 each to afford Cameron and Eichler! Well, I guess that would put us right there with Hoyt though, wouldn't it :chuckle:
How about a D-Rock Express, a Smossy Kinetic Extreme, a Huntnnw Special, a Boneaddict longbow or even a Bearpaw Jr :chuckle:
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on August 16, 2013, 04:53:19 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 16, 2013, 04:59:18 PM
:sry: I've been talking with bankers, lawyers and accountants all day. Think I'm going a little looney tunes.
Post by: JPhelps on August 16, 2013, 05:11:11 PM
In my opinion though they have to get back the support of the proshops. The big box store approach will never work in the archery industry :twocents: Come on RadSav or Sims, I'm pulling for you. :tup:
Post by: demontang on August 16, 2013, 08:44:08 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 17, 2013, 12:49:02 AM
:tup: They sound like quality items.You also would have to get Uncle Ted back on board. It's just not right seeing him shoot a Mathews.
It's not right seeing anyone shooting a Mathews :chuckle:
I would be thrilled to see Ted back with Martin. But if he does another reality show...deals off! >:(eh. you'd be better off with either a young up and comer (lookin at you Alwine! :chuckle:)or a current hot shot (Cameron, Eichler, etc...)
Alwine :tup:
Would have to raise the price of each Martin bow about $250 each to afford Cameron and Eichler! Well, I guess that would put us right there with Hoyt though, wouldn't it :chuckle:
How about a D-Rock Express, a Smossy Kinetic Extreme, a Huntnnw Special, a Boneaddict longbow or even a Bearpaw Jr :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on August 17, 2013, 01:48:17 AM
What was your favorite Martin bow ever?
And what was your favorite Martin cam?
My favorite bow was the forward handled Jim Cox Dynabow. Though the Forward handled Jaguar was super cool!
Favorite cam was the 2009 M2-Pro single.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 17, 2013, 02:56:36 AM
Post by: RadSav on August 17, 2013, 03:42:44 AM
There is one group I am rooting against in a BIG way. No honesty, no integrity, no value of history and no quality of character. Beyond that most that I know of are good folks. Things should be happening quick!
Post by: JPhelps on August 17, 2013, 07:22:29 AM
Got an email a few hours ago that says there are some deals that are close, just not yet done. And like I said before we are not alone. There are others trying to save this thing besides RAD. I have no idea who some of these folks are, but it is promising. Keep your fingers crossed that whomever it may be has honesty, integrity and can keep it right here in Washington!
There is one group I am rooting against in a BIG way. No honesty, no integrity, no value of history and no quality of character. Beyond that most that I know of are good folks. Things should be happening quick!
Good to hear
Post by: sirfunkeybut on August 17, 2013, 08:38:09 AM
While we wait for the conclusion I figure I would use this thread to ask a few questions:
What was your favorite Martin bow ever?
And what was your favorite Martin cam?
My favorite bow was the forward handled Jim Cox Dynabow. Though the Forward handled Jaguar was super cool!
Favorite cam was the 2009 M2-Pro single.
Post by: bearpaw on August 17, 2013, 09:56:15 AM
How about a D-Rock Express, a Smossy Kinetic Extreme, a Huntnnw Special, a Boneaddict longbow or even a Bearpaw Jr :chuckle:
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That was a good one...
I actually started with a Martin Bobcat kit bow that I put together myself. Managed to kill a few grouse and one deer with it before stepping up.
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 17, 2013, 09:59:38 AM
. I knew one day someone would name a bow after me!
How about a D-Rock Express, a Smossy Kinetic Extreme, a Huntnnw Special, a Boneaddict longbow or even a Bearpaw Jr :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That was a good one...
I actually started with a Martin Bobcat kit bow that I put together myself. Managed to kill a few grouse and one deer with it before stepping up.
Post by: Smossy on August 17, 2013, 12:49:53 PM
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Post by: bknilvr00 on August 17, 2013, 10:54:15 PM
Sent from my space modulator.
Post by: RadSav on August 17, 2013, 11:12:55 PM
My favorite Martin bow would be the LYNX picked this up from a little store in woodinville maybe some of you know it woodcreek archery wow did this place change my life the adventures and life time friend have truly been a blessing :tup:
I remember the Lynx having a built in unintentional draw length clickety click. Was sort of cool, but drove some guys nuts! I took one of Woodcreek's customers hunting with me one time 26 or 27 years ago. Haven't been able to shake him loose since. :party1:
Ended up becoming one of the best field shots, smartest hunters and the best friend I've ever known.
Post by: passing-thru on August 17, 2013, 11:16:37 PM
Post by: RadSav on August 18, 2013, 02:47:06 AM
...and my new Alien is awesome!
I've been getting my 2013 Alien setup for Battleready's overdue WY antelope hunt next week. We've got to get rid of that tramp stamp camo pattern :chuckle: A few fit and finish issues, but the bow shoots GREAT! Had a small hum to the riser that was removed with some fine tune to the cam and a new 2013 Sim's Modular stabilizer (Love that thing!!!) This just might be the quietest bow I have ever shot in my life.
Going to be strange sitting in a blind without my trusty (Bear) friend of four years :'( But this bow is shooting just as good, faster and with only about half the noise. Just not nearly as sexy as the Dark Horse. I'm starting to feel sorry for those speedsters already :o
Post by: denali on August 18, 2013, 01:22:30 PM
and the Martin calender girls were pleasing to the eye. :)
Post by: Whitpirate on August 18, 2013, 03:58:38 PM
Martin saved would be a welcome gift this fall.
Post by: huntnnw on August 18, 2013, 11:48:42 PM
I started with a Martin when I was 12yr old...alot of first came with a Martin bow...my first ever bear was with a Martin, first deer, first bull elk and my biggest buck I ever killed was with a Martin magnum 80lb'er
Post by: RadSav on August 19, 2013, 12:39:21 AM
One of the cool things for me was the ease at which I found the center of the sight bubble. My hand shape is just super finicky to the angles of the bow grip with so many of the bows out there. As many know this is the reason I will not shoot Hoyt or Mathews. As well as a host of other manufacturers too. It is the primary reason I've chosen to shoot Bear and Bowtech bows so often over the past decade. This grip and vertical presentation on the Alien is as good as those bows I spend the most of my time with. Another pleasant surprise!
Definitely some things I would like to improve on like the tramp stamp camo, the throat of the grip and the big bulky roller guard. But all in all a great base to start from if we ever get a chance. Hopefully by the time I get back from Wyoming we will know more about the business acquisition. First time ever I'm hoping to be too busy with work to actually concentrate on hunting. This trip is all about Battleready getting his first speedster anyhow. I'm just along for the ride. And the much needed stress relief!!!
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 19, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
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Post by: Smossy on August 20, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Well, so much for just being along for the ride. One goat down. Better pic to follow.Nice one buddy.
Post by: Whitpirate on August 20, 2013, 06:33:40 PM
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Post by: RadSav on August 25, 2013, 01:25:34 PM
Did Battleready get his goat we are pulling for you :tup:
Well we are home. Just the one goat.
Battleready had some good opportunities. Just wasn't meant to be I guess. Was shooting well on the range, out of the blinds it just seemed to be a bit much this year. No doubt he is a better shot than I am. So I figure the combination of a new anti-seizure medication, the 25 mph winds and the 14 hours each day in a freaking HOT 4' square box just took it's toll. He's pretty bummed. Maybe once he gets more accustomed to the medication he will be back in his usually killer ways and I will take him back.
I was glassing his blind from almost one mile away. At one time there were more than 40 shooter bucks between he and I. One bachelor band had 24 shooters in it!!! I had never seen that before. So I had a good time even if the flying ants and sun were biting and burning the heck out of me. Not sure Battleready had as good a time though ;)
Doug was on a new medication as well. And was actually very fun and pleasant this year! That was a nice surprise :chuckle:
With my early goat I was able to keep up on movement at Martin. Time running out and still no deals yet. One of the RAD representatives had a meeting Friday with the jack wipe that is causing most of the trouble. I should know the details of that meeting on Monday. But so far no deals and no movement from others that I am aware of.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 25, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
Not sure what else I can do to help, but I will commit to upgrading my Martin bow within 12 months if RadSav or someone else manages to save the company.
Good luck man.
Post by: RadSav on August 26, 2013, 11:43:11 AM
For those who read our 2012 Wyoming Goat thread this might look familiar. According to the land manager this is the same goat I passed on last year and posted the pic. I was almost two miles from last years blind location. I found that fun and will frame before/after-2012/2013 pictures beside the mount.
Post by: D-Rock425 on September 09, 2013, 06:53:01 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 09, 2013, 07:46:12 AM
Any new word on martin yet? Heard it was up for auction.Stopped in at Steve's Archery last week, he said that it was a done deal.
Post by: RadSav on September 09, 2013, 01:02:29 PM
MARTIN ARCHERY
9AM - WED & THURS - SEPTEMBER 25 & 26
Preview 8-4pm, Tuesday, September 24
2134 Heritage Road (Old HWY 12), Walla Walla, WA 99362
Machine Shop, Manufacturing Equipment & Archery Inventory
Preview Coming Soon
I can honestly say I have absolutely no flipping idea what is going on right now! Terry had called and let me know what was needed to stop the auction. Within a few days RAD had paperwork to them that just needed to be signed within a term window. That window closed weeks ago and I've heard nothing, seen nothing. So your guess is as good as mine :bash:
Post by: elk247 on September 09, 2013, 08:52:59 PM
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Post by: RadSav on September 09, 2013, 09:34:42 PM
Good luck at the auction UncleRad!
Sorry to say it, but at this point I'm not sure we will even be at the auction. A few things there I would like to have, but without the ongoing company there really is nothing we need for the current direction of our company. The company and the people is what we wanted to save. Nothing tremendously special about the equipment unless you want to start a string making business. And strings sound like a cut throat nightmare to me. Not something I'm going to miss the rest of muledeer hunting for. But who knows! I might lose my mind again between now and then :dunno: Or I might tag a big muley this weekend and have nothing better to do :chuckle:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on September 13, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 25, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
Editor's note: In an article appearing in the Aug. 27 Archery Wire, we informed readers about the uncertain future for historic bowmaker, Martin Archery, a company struggling to stay alive and hoping to find investors to relieve its overwhelming debt. According to the following report from the Sept. 22 Walla Walla Union-Bulletin, Martin's chances for survival are improving. - JRA
By Vicki Hillhouse
Special to The Archery Wire
WALLA WALLA - Martin Archery could have a shot at survival under a new owner.
A Los Angeles-based private equity firm would continue the manufacturing operation in an elaborate change of hands that includes help from the Port of Walla Walla.
Diversis Capital LLC Managing Director Ron Nayot said Friday (Sept. 20) it's too soon to disclose terms of the firm's proposal. However, the vision includes a long future for the more than 60-year-old company founded by the late Gail Martin and his wife, Eva.
"It's still early right now, and there's a lot more work to be done, but we're trying to work quickly to keep Martin Archery a surviving business," Nayot said.
The next step in the process comes Monday (Sept. 23) at a special meeting of the Port of Walla Walla. Port commissioners will consider purchasing the more than 4.5-acre complex on which the company operates off Heritage Road.
Port Executive Director Jim Kuntz said the economic development agency would pay $1.3 million for the property, then lease the property to the new business.
Kuntz emphasized the 4 p.m. meeting Monday at the Port office, 310 A St., is designed simply to seek approval of the proposal. He said it could take weeks to finalize negotiations, formalize paperwork and set the changeover in motion.
The Port's land buy, at about $400,000 less than the original listing price, would help pay down the tremendous debt that has led the company to the brink of closure.
"The Port Commission has a real emphasis on business retention," Kuntz said. "This has been a stalwart company for decades. (The Port) just feels to the point that we can save some jobs and grow the business it's an investment worth making."
He said the proposed lease would start with a 10-year timeline. "That's one of the big things for the Port," Kuntz said. "We want the company to stay in Walla Walla."
Diversis would likely form a new limited liability company under which it would continue manufacturing the bows that have been used by bowhunters and archers worldwide, and even in the spotlight of Hollywood films and through celebrity endorsements.
The three-generation business that produced at least 50,000 bows a year and at its height employed 100 people had been languishing amid debt. But few knew how serious it was until the July 21 death of founder Gail Martin at 89.
The man who had turned a hobby fletching business into a manufacturer with global reach was so highly regarded as a pioneer and Archery Hall-of-Famer that those in the industry to whom he owed money were inclined to cut the business more slack, Chief Executive Officer Tim Larkin said last month.
Although the business has returned to profitability, recapitalization is essential for the company's survival, he said. Employment is down to about 20 people at the plant.
Diversis investors believe through streamlining measures and re-energizing sales, the company can grow far beyond that.
"Long-term the goal is to make the business much larger in the community and bring more jobs to Walla Walla," Nayot said.
Started about four months ago, Diversis primarily focuses on small to middle-market investments of up to $20 million in equity, according to its website. The company targets underperforming businesses for rebuilding.
Nayot commended the Port and Martin family for what is a "challenging transaction," especially considering how close the business is to closure.
"It's been a great effort to rally together and save this thing," he said. "At the point that we're at it's definitely got the opportunity to thrive. A couple months later, it could have been in real peril."
This article appears with the permission of Vicki Hillhouse and the Walla Walla Union-Bulletin.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 25, 2013, 01:26:31 PM
Post by: RadSav on September 25, 2013, 02:15:55 PM
I read that the other day in the UB. I meant to ask you if you are still tied in with the deal?
RAD, Inc. has no tie to this deal at all. Once our real estate purchase offer went unaccepted we were pretty much dead in the water. The Diversis deal sounds like a good one as they appear very money smart. Not sure there is any archery marketing knowledge there, but at this time money management is the most pressing issue. You can always hire one of the big hitters in archery marketing if you have your house in order. And I would expect Diversis to get things in order rather rapidly. I myself will be really pulling for them and will support anything they might ask of me. Though I have no expectations that they will.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 25, 2013, 02:24:37 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 25, 2013, 04:10:11 PM
Post by: JPhelps on October 09, 2013, 07:33:31 AM
It sounds like they have brought in PSE's VP of sales to help right the ship. I doubt they will have enough time to make a huge impact with their 2014 line, but the good news is they will stay in Washington and the company that bought them has a good track record of making companies successful again.
Post by: Smossy on October 09, 2013, 07:38:25 AM
Martin has sold. It was a joint deal between the city of Walla Walla and an investment company out of California.Atleast it will stick around and stay local :tup:
It sounds like they have brought in PSE's VP of sales to help right the ship. I doubt they will have enough time to make a huge impact with their 2014 line, but the good news is they will stay in Washington and the company that bought them has a good track record of making companies successful again.
Post by: D-Rock425 on October 09, 2013, 07:41:50 AM
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Post by: 724wd on October 09, 2013, 11:21:38 AM
It seems like a lot of people on here would like to see Martin stay in business, and be successful. So... what I'm curious about is why almost nobody here hunts with a Martin bow. If you want them to succeed you need to support them by buying their products, not their competitor's. I very seldom hear of anyone buying a new Martin bow. I have purchased two bows in my life and both were Martins.
umm... lots of us buy and hunt with martin bows. they don't have sales staff/distribution/marketing of some other manufacturers. that's why you don't see as many martins as hoyt/bowtec/mathews/bear. we want martin to succeed and compete so we can buy more bows... :dunno:
Post by: Special T on October 09, 2013, 01:20:44 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 09, 2013, 02:00:59 PM
Martin has sold. It was a joint deal between the city of Walla Walla and an investment company out of California.It was actually the port of walla walla that purchased the land and building where martin archery is located (not that it really matters but correct info is best). they will lease the facility to a new company affiliated with Diversis capital llc for 10 years. Diversis capital invests in small to medium companiss and is headquartered in california.
It sounds like they have brought in PSE's VP of sales to help right the ship. I doubt they will have enough time to make a huge impact with their 2014 line, but the good news is they will stay in Washington and the company that bought them has a good track record of making companies successful again.
This is great for martin archery and the community down there!
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