Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 04:31:41 PM
Post by: 92xj on August 13, 2013, 04:37:17 PM
Personally I still wouldnt do it, but that response you got sure is a lot more power to deal with questions in the future than anyone of those people in the other thread have going against it.
Goodluck with whatever you choose to do.
Post by: 724wd on August 13, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 04:49:08 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: go4steelhd on August 13, 2013, 04:52:22 PM
Post by: gasman on August 13, 2013, 04:57:27 PM
Why was there even a debt over it? a camera is not adding in harvesting any game :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on August 13, 2013, 05:00:53 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 05:03:42 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 05:07:42 PM
Post by: gasman on August 13, 2013, 05:11:06 PM
There's a rule that says no electronics can be attached to a bow. That's what the previous discussion was about.
You are correct but that rule was geared toward electronic devises that can aid in the harvest of animals, not items to take video.
With out starting the debt over, its interpretation of the rules and there meaning. We all know that...
I with you Matty :tup:
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 05:12:55 PM
1. b. It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s) except for illuminated nocks, attatched to the bow or arrow while hunting.
Cant remember the original post, but this is also in the laws for what its worth or even applicable.............
flat out NO electrical devices, I see no exceptions......cant read in exceptions where there are none.
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 05:18:10 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 05:21:32 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 05:28:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 13, 2013, 05:31:37 PM
:dunno:
My gut says that lady is wrong. We've had people literally busted for posting video that they took with a bow mounted camera. The thread is still around.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557)
Post by: bobcat on August 13, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 13, 2013, 05:51:45 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
If the opinion from Olympia is wrong, I still don't see why any game warden would choose to use the no electronics rule to write someone up for having a camera on their bow. I just don't see it happening. What purpose would it serve? A camera on a bow is not hurting anything.Your probably right, however do you wanna take that chance that he or she isn't having a bad day and decides to follow the law. Not me. :bdid:
Post by: h20hunter on August 13, 2013, 05:56:58 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 13, 2013, 06:00:54 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 06:02:07 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2013, 06:05:31 PM
If the opinion from Olympia is wrong, I still don't see why any game warden would choose to use the no electronics rule to write someone up for having a camera on their bow. I just don't see it happening. What purpose would it serve? A camera on a bow is not hurting anything.That appears to be a valid "get out of jail free" card, but I think she is wrong. She is referencing a WAC that has no bearing on this issue. I believe most enforcement officers and judges would not agree with her conclusion.
WAC 232-12-054 is the applicable WAC, and I would ask to get a written reply on that one specifically.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054)
..and welcome back. :tup:
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 06:11:13 PM
I suspect a warden may chime in here with an opinion on the matter.I dont think this will get an opinion......unanimous no more like it.
:dunno:
My gut says that lady is wrong. We've had people literally busted for posting video that they took with a bow mounted camera. The thread is still around.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557)
Look at my post Bobcat...........its so black and white it hurts.......no gray area, not a hint. The archery regulations sums it up clear as a bell......you will get a ticket, dont waste your breath explaining to the warden, he will just tell you to save it for the judge.............you loose.
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2013, 06:13:21 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 13, 2013, 06:15:38 PM
I think this WAC overides the one she referenced in her email. Nice find Bob.If the opinion from Olympia is wrong, I still don't see why any game warden would choose to use the no electronics rule to write someone up for having a camera on their bow. I just don't see it happening. What purpose would it serve? A camera on a bow is not hurting anything.That appears to be a valid "get out of jail free" card, but I think she is wrong. She is referencing a WAC that has no bearing on this issue. I believe most enforcement officers and judges would not agree with her conclusion.
WAC 232-12-054 is the applicable WAC, and I would ask to get a written reply on that one specifically.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054)
..and welcome back. :tup:
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 06:19:53 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 13, 2013, 06:23:16 PM
I suspect a warden may chime in here with an opinion on the matter.I dont think this will get an opinion......unanimous no more like it.
:dunno:
My gut says that lady is wrong. We've had people literally busted for posting video that they took with a bow mounted camera. The thread is still around.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557)
Look at my post Bobcat...........its so black and white it hurts.......no gray area, not a hint. The archery regulations sums it up clear as a bell......you will get a ticket, dont waste your breath explaining to the warden, he will just tell you to save it for the judge.............you loose.
I understand, and agree, but still- the intent of the law couldn't have been to outlaw a camera on a bow. It makes no sense. And, being that game wardens are humans too, I trust that they wouldn't write a ticket for this.
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 06:23:45 PM
Thanks for the welcome back.... I have a few emails ill keep an if i see a Gamie ill ask .... But don't the Gamies work for OLY?
Always defer to who writes the tickies.................... :tup:
bobcat........I couldnt possibly feel any more positive they would write the ticket muy pronto..........black and white.............
Post by: bobcat on August 13, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
Just remember: Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion, not murder. ;)
Post by: MattySuto on August 13, 2013, 06:36:38 PM
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 06:40:41 PM
Buckfvr, how can you be so sure? Did you or someone you know get a ticket for this?
They write tickets by the book, not by interpretation, theirs or yours. Ive been told by wardens before who were friends of many seasons.....they write em like they see "em, and its the judges job to sort them out. Thats all..........
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 13, 2013, 06:53:15 PM
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That I do believe is very true. I think the logic is "If I caught you this time, how many times did you get away with it?," mainly because there are few and they are spread out so thin.
My personal experience is after hunting in Cowlitz Co/St Helen's Tree Farm from 1976 to 2010, I was only contacted and checked 3 times while out hunting and never while fishing. So it would kinda make sense they would lean towards this way of thinking.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 13, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
I would actually question they were doing their job if they didn't write the ticket. They are not in a position really to decide which laws they do and don't wanna enforce. Very slippery slope and I think we have all seen before what can happen if you let them make judgement calls.
I think where the confusion or maybe resistance comes from is in comparison to non-wildlife law enforcement and their use of discretion, as in say, an officer opting for giving a warning for speeding vs just writing a ticket every time. Haven't really heard of WDFW giving warnings or breaks, just writing violations, or so it seems.
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 07:03:31 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on August 13, 2013, 07:04:43 PM
I suspect a warden may chime in here with an opinion on the matter.
:dunno:
My gut says that lady is wrong. We've had people literally busted for posting video that they took with a bow mounted camera. The thread is still around.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557)
I agree. This would not be the first time she gave wrong info.
We are also not seeing the whole email chain and it is possible that what we are being shown is out of context.
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 13, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
Absolutely agree. I dont believe gamies are as leanient as a regular pd officer.I would actually question they were doing their job if they didn't write the ticket. They are not in a position really to decide which laws they do and don't wanna enforce. Very slippery slope and I think we have all seen before what can happen if you let them make judgement calls.
I think where the confusion or maybe resistance comes from is in comparison to non-wildlife law enforcement and their use of discretion, as in say, an officer opting for giving a warning for speeding vs just writing a ticket every time. Haven't really heard of WDFW giving warnings or breaks, just writing violations, or so it seems.
Post by: Jellymon on August 14, 2013, 12:35:09 AM
Post by: Curly on August 17, 2013, 08:20:06 AM
I suspect a warden may chime in here with an opinion on the matter.
:dunno:
My gut says that lady is wrong. We've had people literally busted for posting video that they took with a bow mounted camera. The thread is still around.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,33898.msg404557.html#msg404557)
I agree. This would not be the first time she gave wrong info.
We are also not seeing the whole email chain and it is possible that what we are being shown is out of context.
I was just going to point that out too. She has given bad info before.
It is definitely not legal to have a camera on your bow. Now, I could maybe see where a particular warden might think it is a dumb law and not cite for it if that is their personal belief, but I would bet that 99% of the time you'd be cited.
Like someone else pointed out, they would have added an exception for cameras when they added the exception for lighted nocks.
Post by: Curly on August 17, 2013, 09:39:21 AM
By the logic of that reply, illuminated nocks would have already been legal. Fiber optic sights would be legal. Rangefinders would be legal as none of them project a beam onto the target.
Exactly! Try placing a Rangefinder on your bow and see how that goes over with a warden. It falls under the same category as a camera.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 17, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Thanks for posting this.
:yeah: x2
Post by: huntnphool on August 17, 2013, 11:33:32 AM
If the opinion from Olympia is wrong, I still don't see why any game warden would choose to use the no electronics rule to write someone up for having a camera on their bow. I just don't see it happening. What purpose would it serve? A camera on a bow is not hurting anything.A lot of cameras have view finders that can be used in aiding the hunter.
Post by: 3nails on August 17, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
Post by: huntnphool on August 17, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
The unofficial word from more than one source is 100% cite.................:yeah:
Post by: Special T on August 17, 2013, 02:50:19 PM
Post by: JJD on August 18, 2013, 12:09:16 AM
As others have stated, it would not be worth the battle.
I live in a county that has one game officer, If I really wanted to film my hunt from my bow, I'd talk to him first and get his interp.
If'n ya don't wanna get poop on your shoe, don't step in it.
INFO; range finders do project a beam, ya just cant see it.
Post by: MattySuto on August 19, 2013, 05:49:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 19, 2013, 06:28:39 PM
Well who ever stated that she has giving bum gouge was absolutely correctI think that was everyone but the legal representative from WDFW. :chuckle:
Glad to hear she made the correction. (I wonder what her Hunt WA member name is?)
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 19, 2013, 06:31:10 PM
Post by: Curly on August 19, 2013, 07:37:40 PM
Glad to hear she made the correction. (I wonder what her Hunt WA member name is?)
:chuckle:
Post by: billythekidrock on August 19, 2013, 08:22:39 PM
Well who ever stated that she has giving bum gouge was absolutely correct.... She emailed me today apologizing for being wrong ... SO I WOULD an WILL NOT USE IT... :sry: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bdid:
At least she apologized this time.
Post by: huntnphool on August 19, 2013, 08:31:28 PM
Although it would have made for a fun thread when you got cited and your gear confiscated. :chuckle:Well who ever stated that she has giving bum gouge was absolutely correct.... She emailed me today apologizing for being wrong ... SO I WOULD an WILL NOT USE IT... :sry: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bdid:
At least she apologized this time.
Post by: dscubame on August 19, 2013, 08:39:31 PM
That's a good lesson for you and all new members. Listen to the huntwa brotherhood. We know more than WDFW? :chuckle:
True that.
Post by: MattySuto on August 19, 2013, 09:20:27 PM
Although it would have made for a fun thread when you got cited and your gear confiscated. :chuckle:Well who ever stated that she has giving bum gouge was absolutely correct.... She emailed me today apologizing for being wrong ... SO I WOULD an WILL NOT USE IT... :sry: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bdid:
At least she apologized this time.
i can get cited on private land?? :yike: Just kidding... At least I have something for when I go back to NY and hunt
Post by: Machias on August 20, 2013, 06:22:52 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 21, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
It's amazing to me how much bad information you get from the Dept and it's not just WDFW, I've gotten wrong information from IDFG as well. Really is shocking sometimes.
Some feel that the IDFG was in cahoots with USFWS with covering up the real numbers of wolves and the true impact they were having on ungulate populations. I hope it's gotten better.
Post by: Special T on August 21, 2013, 07:43:58 AM
Post by: Curly on August 21, 2013, 07:51:11 AM
Post by: MattySuto on August 21, 2013, 12:55:31 PM
And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........
4th year hunting... and i was first BLOWN away at rules and regs. I hunted in NY, you can use retractable broadheads as long as the dont form a barb or a hook, and you cant have anything Mechanical on your bow.. I.E. you can't have a machine pull it back for you. Thats it... you can use lumioks, cameras, lights for you fiber optics to see your pins... i came out here ( cause this is where i was stationed) and was like well this stinks... :( ... but hopefully they make changes... they did for the luminocks out here, now if we can get em to changes the electrical equipment and mechanical broad heads, it may take a while but i think there will be changes in the years to come.
Post by: Machias on August 21, 2013, 05:15:50 PM
And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........
4th year hunting... and i was first BLOWN away at rules and regs. I hunted in NY, you can use retractable broadheads as long as the dont form a barb or a hook, and you cant have anything Mechanical on your bow.. I.E. you can't have a machine pull it back for you. Thats it... you can use lumioks, cameras, lights for you fiber optics to see your pins... i came out here ( cause this is where i was stationed) and was like well this stinks... :( ... but hopefully they make changes... they did for the luminocks out here, now if we can get em to changes the electrical equipment and mechanical broad heads, it may take a while but i think there will be changes in the years to come.
Here's hoping (respectfully) that you are wrong.
Post by: Curly on August 21, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........
4th year hunting... and i was first BLOWN away at rules and regs. I hunted in NY, you can use retractable broadheads as long as the dont form a barb or a hook, and you cant have anything Mechanical on your bow.. I.E. you can't have a machine pull it back for you. Thats it... you can use lumioks, cameras, lights for you fiber optics to see your pins... i came out here ( cause this is where i was stationed) and was like well this stinks... :( ... but hopefully they make changes... they did for the luminocks out here, now if we can get em to changes the electrical equipment and mechanical broad heads, it may take a while but i think there will be changes in the years to come.
Here's hoping (respectfully) that you are wrong.
:yeah:
Mechanical broadheads and cameras on bows is not what I was thinking about when I was mentioning all the rules. :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on August 21, 2013, 05:25:35 PM
And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........The regulation on using electrical equipment on bows was clear to me. :dunno:
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
:yeah:And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........The regulation on using electrical equipment on bows was clear to me. :dunno:
Post by: Curly on August 21, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........The regulation on using electrical equipment on bows was clear to me. :dunno:
Very clear. I never had a doubt that placing a camera on a bow was anything but illegal.
But, you have to admit that there are a lot of rules that a newbie has to wade thru to be able to go hunting. i.e. - evidence of sex, when hunter orange is required, possession limits on ducks, how far off the road do you have to be to shoot, can you shoot off the hood of your truck, etc. The same questions come up every year.
Post by: mholzngel on August 21, 2013, 05:52:28 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 08:24:05 AM
And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........
4th year hunting... and i was first BLOWN away at rules and regs. I hunted in NY, you can use retractable broadheads as long as the dont form a barb or a hook, and you cant have anything Mechanical on your bow.. I.E. you can't have a machine pull it back for you. Thats it... you can use lumioks, cameras, lights for you fiber optics to see your pins... i came out here ( cause this is where i was stationed) and was like well this stinks... :( ... but hopefully they make changes... they did for the luminocks out here, now if we can get em to changes the electrical equipment and mechanical broad heads, it may take a while but i think there will be changes in the years to come.
Here's hoping (respectfully) that you are wrong.
Wrong on what? ?
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 22, 2013, 08:33:02 AM
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 08:33:29 AM
Everything was clear to me as well, i like to stir the pot... dont mean to offend anyone...:yeah:And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........The regulation on using electrical equipment on bows was clear to me. :dunno:
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 08:34:19 AM
I believe he is referring to mechanical broadheads and electronics on bows. Many (me included) don't like them or think they are a good idea.:dunno: good luck hunting everyone ...
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 22, 2013, 08:41:28 AM
We gathered that. :rolleyes:Everything was clear to me as well, i like to stir the pot... dont mean to offend anyone...:yeah:And why is it so hard to recruit new hunters into the sport? It's because of all the rules. It is hard enough for us guys that have been hunting in this state for decades to keep track of all the rules. I imagine a new guy would have his head spinning trying to sort out all the legalities regarding hunting in this state. Just an observation........The regulation on using electrical equipment on bows was clear to me. :dunno:
Post by: Machias on August 22, 2013, 09:28:39 AM
I believe he is referring to mechanical broadheads and electronics on bows. Many (me included) don't like them or think they are a good idea.:dunno: good luck hunting everyone ...
I didn't take it as stirring the pot, you are not alone in hoping for changes, I'm just not one of them. Certainly did not offend me at all. Good luck this fall.
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 12:00:44 PM
I believe he is referring to mechanical broadheads and electronics on bows. Many (me included) don't like them or think they are a good idea.:dunno: good luck hunting everyone ...
I didn't take it as stirring the pot, you are not alone in hoping for changes, I'm just not one of them. Certainly did not offend me at all. Good luck this fall.
I gotcha... i understand that some people do not want change... the mechanical broad heads is really the only one change i cross my fingers for ever year since i started hunting out here.. but i guess ill keep them crossed.....
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 22, 2013, 12:40:29 PM
I, for one, am against them for big game. I don't use electronic nocks and don't plan to in the future. I wouldn't use any of the mechanical broadheads either. It adds one more variable to the game and I don't like that.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 22, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 22, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 22, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on August 22, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 22, 2013, 02:50:31 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal....and they just make a wicked hole on impact that just destroys the animal....
I guess there's the rub. I appreciate lethality but I appreciate accuracy more.
I've never been a fan of wicked holes or destroying the animal.
I'm not trying to pick apart your talking points, I just feel differently.
Post by: Bob33 on August 22, 2013, 03:01:38 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 22, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
That's the whole reason I got into archery was the season length
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
All harvest decrease every year no matter what season or which animal you hunt.... Most if not all hunters aren't shooting "Just Shooter" so to speak they aren't managing the population .... If its brow down... If its legal they shoot it... Unless your hunting some outfitter land and on a guided hunt your gonna kill something if an when you have the opportunity especailly if its down to crunch time
Post by: Jellymon on August 22, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Post by: Jellymon on August 22, 2013, 03:18:54 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
All harvest decrease every year no matter what season or which animal you hunt.... Most if not all hunters aren't shooting "Just Shooter" so to speak they aren't managing the population .... If its brow down... If its legal they shoot it... Unless your hunting some outfitter land and on a guided hunt your gonna kill something if an when you have the opportunity especailly if its down to crunch time
He's talking about wdfw shortening archery season because on increased harvest numbers.
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:20:13 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal....and they just make a wicked hole on impact that just destroys the animal....
I guess there's the rub. I appreciate lethality but I appreciate accuracy more.
I've never been a fan of wicked holes or destroying the animal.
I'm not trying to pick apart your talking points, I just feel differently.
I agree about accuracy 100% but we all know what buck fever is or even a gust of wind will effect even the best shot in the world...
Post by: Bob33 on August 22, 2013, 03:21:13 PM
Season lengths and opportunity are very definitely managed to distribute harvest across all "user groups" - modern firearm, muzzleloader, and archery to name three prominent ones. If one user group experiences an increase in harvest that is not determined to be an aberation, it is likely to result in shortened seasons and other harvest restrictions in future years.Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
All harvest decrease every year no matter what season or which animal you hunt.... Most if not all hunters aren't shooting "Just Shooter" so to speak they aren't managing the population .... If its brow down... If its legal they shoot it... Unless your hunting some outfitter land and on a guided hunt your gonna kill something if an when you have the opportunity especailly if its down to crunch time
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
All harvest decrease every year no matter what season or which animal you hunt.... Most if not all hunters aren't shooting "Just Shooter" so to speak they aren't managing the population .... If its brow down... If its legal they shoot it... Unless your hunting some outfitter land and on a guided hunt your gonna kill something if an when you have the opportunity especailly if its down to crunch time
He's talking about wdfw shortening archery season because on increased harvest numbers.
I see now what he means but I hunt whidbey there's Deer everywhere.... It will make you hunt harder if the season were to shorten...
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 22, 2013, 03:23:22 PM
I think a bad shot with a fixed blade is just as lethal as a bad shot with a mechanical. Maybe even more so. So I really don't think that would affect seasons.Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
Post by: Jellymon on August 22, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
All harvest decrease every year no matter what season or which animal you hunt.... Most if not all hunters aren't shooting "Just Shooter" so to speak they aren't managing the population .... If its brow down... If its legal they shoot it... Unless your hunting some outfitter land and on a guided hunt your gonna kill something if an when you have the opportunity especailly if its down to crunch time
He's talking about wdfw shortening archery season because on increased harvest numbers.
I see now what he means but I hunt whidbey there's Deer everywhere.... It will make you hunt harder if the season were to shorten...
Carefull what you wish for.
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:29:36 PM
I think a bad shot with a fixed blade is just as lethal as a bad shot with a mechanical. Maybe even more so. So I really don't think that would affect seasons.Mechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
In the end As long as the animal dies it dont matter...I just like mechanicals
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:31:14 PM
I don't wish anything.... Like I stated before I have only hunted WA for 4 years ... I love the long season I hunt in NY archery is only 2 weeksMechanicals are awesome.... they make even a poor shot very very lethal...If true that means archery harvest increases, which means archery opportunity decreases.
All harvest decrease every year no matter what season or which animal you hunt.... Most if not all hunters aren't shooting "Just Shooter" so to speak they aren't managing the population .... If its brow down... If its legal they shoot it... Unless your hunting some outfitter land and on a guided hunt your gonna kill something if an when you have the opportunity especailly if its down to crunch time
He's talking about wdfw shortening archery season because on increased harvest numbers.
I see now what he means but I hunt whidbey there's Deer everywhere.... It will make you hunt harder if the season were to shorten...
Carefull what you wish for.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 22, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
I see now what he means but I hunt whidbey there's Deer everywhere.... It will make you hunt harder if the season were to shorten...
What a silly thing to say. We're talking about the entire state of Washington not just the San Juans.
Secondly, it's not about "hunting hard" necessarily, it's about having a wide window of opportunity which most people appreciate.
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:41:33 PM
I see now what he means but I hunt whidbey there's Deer everywhere.... It will make you hunt harder if the season were to shorten...
What a silly thing to say. We're talking about the entire state of Washington not just the San Juans.
Secondly, it's not about "hunting hard" necessarily, it's about having a wide window of opportunity which most people appreciate.
I apologize for being silly an selfish.....I appreciate longer opportunities ... I was just thinking about myself...
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 22, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
Post by: MattySuto on August 22, 2013, 03:59:22 PM
Hey Matty is that a blacktail in your avatar? archery kill?
Yea I shot him in 2011...here on Whidbey
Post by: dreamingbig on August 30, 2013, 01:32:58 AM
More technology will lead to shorten seasons. You can bet on that!