Post by: Dave Workman on August 18, 2013, 08:00:18 PM
Anti-gun Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire are teaming up Monday to encourage businesses in the city to become “gun free zones,” an effort that may “make a statement” but has no track record of discouraging a single crime.
http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-free-zone-effort-launched-seattle (http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-free-zone-effort-launched-seattle)
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Post by: ICEMAN on August 18, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on August 18, 2013, 08:30:20 PM
Post by: BsB on August 18, 2013, 08:39:18 PM
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Post by: paulf919 on August 18, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
Good stuff Dave, I'm going to start a list of Washington businesses that are "anti-gun"
Sounds like a good sticky to me at the top of this section. I would like to not be a patron of theirs.
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Post by: huntnphool on August 18, 2013, 08:46:24 PM
Here is the start of the list, I truly hope it doesn't grow! http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,132207.msg1760626.html#msg1760626 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,132207.msg1760626.html#msg1760626)Good stuff Dave, I'm going to start a list of Washington businesses that are "anti-gun"
Sounds like a good sticky to me at the top of this section. I would like to not be a patron of theirs.
Post by: paulf919 on August 18, 2013, 08:47:40 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on August 18, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
My guess is the packing customers are the least likely to be committing the shootings. :twocents:
Post by: madmack76 on August 18, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on August 18, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Would love to see a few businesses do this, then lose enough customers to close down.
I pray that is the case. But would rather not see this happen at all.
Craig
Post by: cowboycraig on August 18, 2013, 10:28:57 PM
This evening I put together this quick email and sent it via the NRA's system found here: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx)
My letter (Feel free to use all or any part of this):
I am 100% opposed to “Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire are teaming up Monday to encourage businesses in the city to become “gun free zones,””
http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-free-zone-effort-launched-seattle?CID=examiner_alerts_article (http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-free-zone-effort-launched-seattle?CID=examiner_alerts_article)
I don’t know what is in the hearts of those that slight the Second Amendment. Don’t understand how this reflects an oath to the Constitution. See below for a reference to why I state this.
From the book “The Second Amendment” by David Barton
St. George Tucker, an Attorney and military officer wounded twice during the American Revolution, was one of the leaders of the 1786 Annapolis Convention that led to the convening of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 wrote:
“The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever… the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the bring of destruction”
To Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFirehHow does this current effort reflect the “Spirit” of the Constitution that was made clear by the founders? Don’t try the “Safety” line as Franklin already covered that “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”. Your effort states Unalienable Rights given by God and listed in the Bill of Rights not valid if Tyranny of the majority is possible? Would you agree with that?
Craig
Post by: ICEMAN on August 19, 2013, 12:43:55 AM
Great job.
Ice.
Post by: Duffer on August 19, 2013, 03:11:18 AM
As your constituent, I want to urge you to support Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire in their proposal to encourage businesses in the city to become “Gun Free Zones”. Assuming that this program would be voluntary and only within the Seattle city limits, of course. I would like to add the suggestion that any and all businesses that choose to participate in this program be: visibly posted as being a proud participant in G.F.Zs. and that a list of all participating businesses be proudly published in multiple media outlets in order to improve visibility. Finally, might I suggest some incentive be offered (funded by the City of Seattle of course) to draw businesses who wish to participate in the "G.F.Zs." program into the Seattle City limits, drawing them out of the more gun-lovin', backwoods, redneck, 2nd Amendment preachin' areas of our beautiful Washington State. Conversly, businesses within the City limits could be compensated for moving elsewhere.
I truely believe that with programs like this and similar others, like-minded folks could be concentrated into the tightest geographical area within our incredible State. Such a wonderful concentration of Statists would ultimately draw the criminal element out of the rest of our fine State to where the pickins come easy and the penalties weak. The side benefit of such a program would be just how much more wonderful the rest of our fair State will be once the Statists AND the criminals are drawn into Seattle. I will miss the Mariners and the Seahawks, but once the G.F.Zs. program is fully implemented, go ahead and just wall off the entire city. It's ok by me. We Constitutionalists won't mind that much. Some sacrifices need to be made, I s'pose.
Thank You for your time and consideration
Post by: ICEMAN on August 19, 2013, 04:43:40 AM
Love it Duffer!
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 06:20:41 AM
Here's mine:
As your constituent, I want to urge you to support Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire in their proposal to encourage businesses in the city to become “Gun Free Zones”. Assuming that this program would be voluntary and only within the Seattle city limits, of course. I would like to add the suggestion that any and all businesses that choose to participate in this program be: visibly posted as being a proud participant in G.F.Zs. and that a list of all participating businesses be proudly published in multiple media outlets in order to improve visibility. Finally, might I suggest some incentive be offered (funded by the City of Seattle of course) to draw businesses who wish to participate in the "G.F.Zs." program into the Seattle City limits, drawing them out of the more gun-lovin', backwoods, redneck, 2nd Amendment preachin' areas of our beautiful Washington State. Conversly, businesses within the City limits could be compensated for moving elsewhere.
I truely believe that with programs like this and similar others, like-minded folks could be concentrated into the tightest geographical area within our incredible State. Such a wonderful concentration of Statists would ultimately draw the criminal element out of the rest of our fine State to where the pickins come easy and the penalties weak. The side benefit of such a program would be just how much more wonderful the rest of our fair State will be once the Statists AND the criminals are drawn into Seattle. I will miss the Mariners and the Seahawks, but once the G.F.Zs. program is fully implemented, go ahead and just wall off the entire city. It's ok by me. We Constitutionalists won't mind that much. Some sacrifices need to be made, I s'pose.
Thank You for your time and consideration
This is truly EPIC! Please do send this to our socialist ruling class.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 19, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 11:51:20 AM
Craig
Post by: Dave Workman on August 19, 2013, 01:02:49 PM
McGinn, CeaseFire ‘gun free zones’ effort could backfire
Even before their morning press event on Capitol Hill to push their “gun free” businesses idea, Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire were being heavily panned by a majority of people commenting at the Seattle Times, KOMO, Seattle P-I.com and KING websites, and lurking in the background are some questions.
http://www.examiner.com/article/mcginn-ceasefire-gun-free-zones-effort-could-backfire (http://www.examiner.com/article/mcginn-ceasefire-gun-free-zones-effort-could-backfire)
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
Please all write and call our representatives here in WA about this.
This evening I put together this quick email and sent it via the NRA’s system found here: http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx) you can cut and paste the Senate and House.
I am 100% opposed to “Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFire are teaming up Monday to encourage businesses in the city to become “gun free zones,””
Reference article:
http://www.examiner.com/article/mcginn-ceasefire-gun-free-zones-effort-could-backfire (http://www.examiner.com/article/mcginn-ceasefire-gun-free-zones-effort-could-backfire)
I don’t know what is in the hearts of those that slight the Second Amendment. Don’t understand how this reflects an oath to the Constitution. See below for a reference to why I state this.
From the book “The Second Amendment” by David Barton
St. George Tucker, an Attorney and military officer wounded twice during the American Revolution, was one of the leaders of the 1786 Annapolis Convention that led to the convening of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 wrote:
“The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever… the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction”
To Mayor Mike McGinn and Washington CeaseFirehHow does this current effort reflect the “Spirit” of the Constitution that was made clear by the founders? Don’t try the “Safety” line as Franklin already covered that “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”. Your effort states Unalienable Rights given by God and listed in the Bill of Rights not valid if Tyranny of the majority is possible? Would you agree with that?
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 01:53:15 PM
There is a nice cut and paste list of all the emails found here: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,31831.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,31831.0.html)
Thanks!
Craig
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 01:55:50 PM
I called, his staff sounded like they are taking a beating on this. CALL!!!! Bet we can make him drop this quietly. It is election time coming up.
Craig
Post by: hoyt5199 on August 19, 2013, 02:03:55 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 02:10:03 PM
I'm so glad I don't live in Seattle or from Seattle!!!
I is a great city, but comes with Left Coast City Poop.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 19, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
WA Ceasefire should change their name to WA Cowards in the Face of Criminals. They're going to create another Chicago out of Seattle and the bad guys are going to have the run of the place. What fools. :bash:
Are they fools are Marxists? I don't believe they are misguided or "Afraid" of guns from a lack of familiarity.
I believe it is an attack on the Unalienable Rights (Liberty) of American's and a deliberate path towards fascism.
The entire Bill of Rights I am sure offends WA Ceasefire. There are 10 or 0 amendments in the Bill of Rights. I believe the Bill of Rights can only be attacked as a whole.
Be politically active.
Post by: Dan-o on August 19, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
You came across as very well reasoned and articulate, which always makes it harder for them to paint you as a gun toting neanderthal.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 19, 2013, 10:38:57 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on August 19, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Post by: cookingdaily on August 19, 2013, 10:57:23 PM
buffalo wild wings
is on my list of not too go
Post by: ghosthunter on August 19, 2013, 11:38:34 PM
Boycott Seattle.
If they loose busniess and relationships they might get a mayor worth a dime.
Post by: Dave Workman on August 20, 2013, 03:44:43 AM
Hey, if the Dave Workman that started this thread is the same one I heard discussing this on the radio this AM, then HATS OFF TO YOU, SIR. :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
You came across as very well reasoned and articulate, which always makes it harder for them to paint you as a gun toting neanderthal.
Hmmmmmm????
I must be doing something wrong, then.
Thx for your generous remark. Now back to knuckle-dragging.
Post by: csaaphill on August 21, 2013, 02:02:59 AM
Post by: Dave Workman on August 24, 2013, 06:43:27 AM
Anti-gun Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn admitted during an interview Friday night with Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren that “If someone is determined to come in (to a business) with a gun, decal or no decal, that’s going to happen.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/eyes-wide-shut-mcginn-spin-sputters-with-van-susteren (http://www.examiner.com/article/eyes-wide-shut-mcginn-spin-sputters-with-van-susteren)
Post by: Shooter on August 24, 2013, 07:54:23 AM
Post by: huntnphool on August 24, 2013, 10:23:05 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on August 24, 2013, 11:10:33 AM
Seattle mayor wants businesses to go 'gun free' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbTYh7HyeK8#)
Saw that piece on Gretta....guy is a total moron.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2013, 11:18:16 AM
I secretly hope that one of these places is robbed - no injuries - and they realize the calamity of their failed effort. I guess this post makes it not such a secret though, huh? I seriously doubt Starbucks will be robbed today. When I was in there for the second time this AM, there were more than 10 open carries. All nice folks, all behaving.
Post by: snowpack on August 24, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
Post by: huntnphool on August 24, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
For as smart as liberals try to pride themselves to beLMAO
Post by: huntnphool on August 24, 2013, 10:36:35 PM
Is there any evidence anywhere to back up his claim that disputes have turned into gun battles because of people carrying firearms? I don't remember hearing a single incident like this.I would like to know how many times in the last 20 years, a verbal argument in a Seattle business, escalated to the point where a legal firearm authorized civilian, used his gun to kill someone other than in self defense.
Someone should pose this question to Mayor McCheese the next time he spouts off with unsubstantiated speculation. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on August 24, 2013, 10:41:15 PM
Post by: huntrights on August 25, 2013, 08:58:40 AM
This excerpt from Dave Workman’s article captures the essence of what is broken in the state of Washington and other states like California. These liberal “progressives” are the reason why our rights and freedoms are being chipped away a little at a time. They are the people that like to believe they are the most tolerant of diversity in our society; yet, they are very quick to discriminate and attack those who disagree with their views and agendas.
“This move also says something about the willingness of Seattle “progressives” to promote social bigotry against the one class of people against whom it is still fashionable to discriminate: gun owners. Gun rights activists are fond of pointing out that if the public accepts this sort of prejudice — the “your kind isn’t welcome here” sort — who is next?” (http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-free-zone-effort-launched-seattle).
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 25, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
Don't know where the antis keep getting the idea that concealed carry guys are out looking for old west showdowns with each other. The guys that carry illegally/with criminal intent are going to bring them in to the 'Gun Free Zones' anyways, might as well let the legal guys carry them too. :dunno: For as smart as liberals try to pride themselves to be this one issue tends to really negate that.
Here's a study from the TX DPS. This shows quite clearly that not only are concealed carriers not dangerous, they're extremely unlikely to commit violent crime.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf)
http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Articles-NEWS-and-COMMENTARY-c-2012-12-22-264494.112112-Texas-study-Concealed-carry-permit-holders-commit-less-than-1-of-the-crimes.html (http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Articles-NEWS-and-COMMENTARY-c-2012-12-22-264494.112112-Texas-study-Concealed-carry-permit-holders-commit-less-than-1-of-the-crimes.html)
Post by: huntrights on August 25, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbTYh7HyeK8&feature=player_embedded
Then, as law-abiding gun owners, consider sending your respectful comments to Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn.
http://www.seattle.gov/mayor/citizen_response.htm
Post by: SpringerFan on August 27, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
Dear Mike,
You are so far off base in your comments. Do you have statistics to back up your comment on confrontations ending up in shootings? I bet not.
The people that have firearms (not weapons as those are used by the military and criminals) are not the people you need to fear. You will turn Seattle in to another Chicago.
Think about it. It is illegal to own a firearm in Cook County. Yet they have the highest crime rate in the nation. Why? Because no one can defend their home or themselves.
You are very misguided and your socialist and liberal side are very exposed.
You are supposed to represent your people. Not control them.
Shame on you!!!
You and your type are a disgrace to the constitution.
Post by: huntnphool on August 27, 2013, 05:46:03 PM
The pinhead used Columbine as a example, I'm pretty sure it was a gun free zone as well, didn't work out so good did it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 27, 2013, 06:19:16 PM
Post by: Special T on August 27, 2013, 07:36:11 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 27, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
Post by: Special T on August 27, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
Post by: huntrights on August 28, 2013, 12:06:59 PM
It is good to send a respectful message to Mayor Mike McGinn to let him know your views.
Please be respectful in all communications to our representatives. Be sure to state facts if you have them.
Here is a good link to examples of citizens and business owners using firearms to prevent crimes:
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
Post by: elkh8me on September 08, 2013, 08:43:00 AM