Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2013, 10:07:05 AM
Couldn't really think of a way while still being humane.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on August 25, 2013, 10:14:18 AM
How do you go about dispatching animals without a firearm and not damaging the furs? :dunno:
Couldn't really think of a way while still being humane.
Depends on what ones version of humane is.
Drowning works
Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2013, 10:26:13 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on August 25, 2013, 10:28:36 AM
Post by: bugs n bones on August 25, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
Post by: JODakota on August 25, 2013, 10:40:09 AM
Post by: hrd2fnd on August 25, 2013, 10:44:43 AM
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:tup:
Depends on what ones version of humane is.
Drowning works
Post by: bob maier on August 25, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
Post by: mulehunter on August 25, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
Drown them.
:tup:
Post by: jeffro on August 25, 2013, 11:55:49 AM
Post by: Carp Commander on August 25, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
May not want to post methods of dispatch on a public forum, could easily be used against you by the animal worshipers. Drowning may not be an approved method of dispatch. I think this topic should be done by PM only, just my two cents. On trapperman.com dispatch info is only done by PM.
:yeah: :bdid:
Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
Thats why I said humane. lol. I don't know any trappers. To me its no different than hunting, Guess we should stop posting our hunting pics and stop talking about how large our entry wounds are and how it was an easy blood trail because it was everywhere unless its through pm to eh? :dunno:May not want to post methods of dispatch on a public forum, could easily be used against you by the animal worshipers. Drowning may not be an approved method of dispatch. I think this topic should be done by PM only, just my two cents. On trapperman.com dispatch info is only done by PM.
:yeah: :bdid:
Just saying.
Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
Pellet rifle to the melon?This may be the best idea Ive seen. I dont want any marks that are big enough that you cant cover up with the fur. Bullet holes diminish resale value from what I've read. Plus I cant handle firearms anyways.
Post by: Bigshooter on August 25, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
May not want to post methods of dispatch on a public forum, could easily be used against you by the animal worshipers. Drowning may not be an approved method of dispatch. I think this topic should be done by PM only, just my two cents. On trapperman.com dispatch info is only done by PM.:yeah:
Post by: ouchfoss on August 25, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
Considering how incredibly hard it is getting to find and purchase any 22 ammo, I am really thinking about buying an air rifle for trapping this year. I believe you can still use and carry an air rifle if your a felon. :dunno:
Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
There is a guy on youtube (cant think of his name) who has not several videos of him dispatching all his game with a co2 powered pellet rifle, which does the job perfect with one shot everytime.I can. Even a .22 cal pellet rifle. Really not a bad idea, Im just not one to get a kick out of watching animals suffer, so clubbing one over the head is not gonna be ok with me. Neither is drowning.
Considering how incredibly hard it is getting to find and purchase any 22 ammo, I am really thinking about buying an air rifle for trapping this year. I believe you can still use and carry an air rifle if your a felon. :dunno:
Post by: Humptulips on August 25, 2013, 10:29:54 PM
OK, On to humane dispatch. There are basically four ways to humanely dispatch animals according to the American Veterinary Medical Association. WDFW sites their guidelines but they are just that "guidelines" and there is room in their guidelines for other methods because sometimes the best is just not doable.
First one is by gunshot to the head. See what I mean. In field conditions this not always possible or hunting would not be possible. You can't use it anyway so I'll move on.
Second method is a blow to the head. Does that sound better then clubbing? Properly executed it really is very humane. Not sure how you could ever do this to an animal in a cage trap though so I don't think this is in the cards.
Third is asphyxiation by use of gas. A lot of nuisance trappers use this. You basically have an air tight box your trap will fit in and a bottle of Co2. Trap goes in, give them some Co2. They can breath but they don't get any O2 so they die.
Fourth is lethal injection. Many trappers use this on Skunks but technically AVMA calls for chemicals only available by prescription so you need to be a vet in order to follow the guidelines to the letter. Again though they are guidelines and an injection with a skunk pole is pretty humane. Most Trapper Supply houses have them.
Drowning while not an approved method by the AVMA is recommended by WDFW but not in writing. They will not stand up for trappers but in private this is what they will tell you and completely legal. Most water animals get drowned and a lot of science shows that water animals don't drown like a human or any land animal would. They simply can control their breathing to the point they will not suck in water. What happens is they succumb to Co2 narcossis and pass out. After they are unconsious water then gets in their lungs but not quite the same way to go as we think of drowning.
In the AVMA guidelines they talk about kill traps which we can't use and they are not a preferred method but it does say they can be acceptable when circumstances dictate so the guidelines are more for lab and farm conditions. I think in addition to the methods I mentioned they also talk about captive bolt guns and cervical dislocation but again those are not really applicable.
My advise would be to maybe look into the injection poles for land animals and water animals use drowning. We'll talk about it at the Trapper Ed class.
Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
First off I consider strange you would be allowed to use an air rifle. If you haven't already I would really investigate that before I bought, used or carried one.How is it strange that Id be able to use an air rifle?
OK, On to humane dispatch. There are basically four ways to humanely dispatch animals according to the American Veterinary Medical Association. WDFW sites their guidelines but they are just that "guidelines" and there is room in their guidelines for other methods because sometimes the best is just not doable.
First one is by gunshot to the head. See what I mean. In field conditions this not always possible or hunting would not be possible. You can't use it anyway so I'll move on.
Second method is a blow to the head. Does that sound better then clubbing? Properly executed it really is very humane. Not sure how you could ever do this to an animal in a cage trap though so I don't think this is in the cards.
Third is asphyxiation by use of gas. A lot of nuisance trappers use this. You basically have an air tight box your trap will fit in and a bottle of Co2. Trap goes in, give them some Co2. They can breath but they don't get any O2 so they die.
Fourth is lethal injection. Many trappers use this on Skunks but technically AVMA calls for chemicals only available by prescription so you need to be a vet in order to follow the guidelines to the letter. Again though they are guidelines and an injection with a skunk pole is pretty humane. Most Trapper Supply houses have them.
Drowning while not an approved method by the AVMA is recommended by WDFW but not in writing. They will not stand up for trappers but in private this is what they will tell you and completely legal. Most water animals get drowned and a lot of science shows that water animals don't drown like a human or any land animal would. They simply can control their breathing to the point they will not suck in water. What happens is they succumb to Co2 narcossis and pass out. After they are unconsious water then gets in their lungs but not quite the same way to go as we think of drowning.
In the AVMA guidelines they talk about kill traps which we can't use and they are not a preferred method but it does say they can be acceptable when circumstances dictate so the guidelines are more for lab and farm conditions. I think in addition to the methods I mentioned they also talk about captive bolt guns and cervical dislocation but again those are not really applicable.
My advise would be to maybe look into the injection poles for land animals and water animals use drowning. We'll talk about it at the Trapper Ed class.
I know for a fact that I can have, own, transport, and carry one legally. The guideline is that it cannot be a propelled projectile by use of an explosive powder.
Air rifles are fine. I've been pulled over a few times with air rifles and had no problem with law enforcement even with my background.
I like the asphyxiation with gas method. Think that's what I would wind up doing.
Thanks for all the information and explaining everything.
Post by: BiggLuke on August 27, 2013, 11:12:30 AM
Most of the good critters (otter, beaver, racoon, mink etc.) are trapped around water.
It's pretty simple to just have a rope tied to your trap, and chuck the sucker in the lake/pond.
It's also good for getting rid of fles and ticks.
My friend catches a ton of "vermin" right next to his garage. He told me once that he used to use a 55 gallon trash can that he just let fill with rain water from the gutters, he'd set the live traps up right next to it, in the morning before work, he'd just plop the whole trap in the filled up trash can. Fit perfectly.
Now he mostly just uses a pellet gun.... unless they're covered in fleas.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 27, 2013, 11:20:58 AM
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Post by: Machias on August 27, 2013, 11:43:31 AM
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Post by: fatslinger on August 27, 2013, 03:53:43 PM
If you chuck the whole thing in the pond, just make sure the trap doesn't have gravity doors. I had a customer last year who thought he would do me a favor and tossed the beaver and trap into the water. You guessed it...the trap rolled over and the doors opened up. Goodbye beaver.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 27, 2013, 04:18:10 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 05:04:28 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 05:04:53 PM
I shot a coyote one time. He wasn't dead, so I accidentally ran over his head. Poor, cat killin' predator.:yike: Some of you guys are harsh lol
Post by: 3nails on August 27, 2013, 06:07:49 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 06:09:54 PM
What critters do you want to trap?Everything. Mostly Beaver, I know some good spots where they are destroying the timber everywhere.
Post by: 3nails on August 27, 2013, 06:46:16 PM
Beaver are fairly hard to get into a dry ground cage set. The easiest way to trap them is in their runs with a swim through trap. Like it or not, this involves drowning them as they will die shortly after entering. I would NOT want to try and dispatch a beaver with a pellet gun! They have hard heads and small brains. It could turn ugly very quickly. Moving a live beaver around in a trap could be a rodeo as well. 50+ lbs of beav racing back and forth in a cage can be difficult at best. I carry a .22 revolver everywhere I trap. In your situation without being able to carry a firearm under water sets would be best. Also if you run dry sets you may find yourself in the poorhouse checking them everyday. All that to say, drowning may be your best option.What critters do you want to trap?Everything. Mostly Beaver, I know some good spots where they are destroying the timber everywhere.
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 06:48:26 PM
Ok well that's a different story. I wouldnt be around for that, set trap, come back - dead animal in trap.. Ok great, I dont think I can conciouslly take an animal inside a cage and throw them into a garbage can full of water. That just doesn't seem right to me.Beaver are fairly hard to get into a dry ground cage set. The easiest way to trap them is in their runs with a swim through trap. Like it or not, this involves drowning them as they will die shortly after entering. I would NOT want to try and dispatch a beaver with a pellet gun! They have hard heads and small brains. It could turn ugly very quickly. Moving a live beaver around in a trap could be a rodeo as well. 50+ lbs of beav racing back and forth in a cage can be difficult at best. I carry a .22 revolver everywhere I trap. In your situation without being able to carry a firearm under water sets would be best. Also if you run dry sets you may find yourself in the poorhouse checking them everyday. All that to say, drowning may be your best option.What critters do you want to trap?Everything. Mostly Beaver, I know some good spots where they are destroying the timber everywhere.
Post by: 3nails on August 27, 2013, 06:52:17 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
Kinda the same thing but I know where you are coming from. When I catch a mink (which are usually dry sets) I'll pitch the cage in the drink and move on to other traps. Come back on the way out and grab dead mink. I can't/won't sit and watch.Yeah, makes sense. I dont know, atleast this is where I stand now. Things may/probably will change as time goes by.. Taking the trapping class Dec 7th with my girl. Excited to get into something new. "As if hunting isn't new enough" :chuckle: Just like the idea of somewhat relying on the land and eating stuff as natural as it comes.
Post by: Humptulips on August 27, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
I could be wrong but I don't think a choke pole or any other type of "snare" or "body gripping device" is legal to dispatch a trapped animal, heck, come to think of it, since a dog is a "non-human vertebrate" it's illegal for a dog catcher to use a choke pole (snare) to capture a dog. Hmm. What do you think of this logic Bruce:)
Technically you are probably right but I doubt anyone is getting a ticket for using a catch pole.
Post by: Humptulips on August 27, 2013, 10:36:28 PM
I know drowning sounds a little harsh to the unintiated. For water animals though it is a little different then most people imagine. Back before cage traps I used to occasionally get a live one. You would push them out into deep water and it might take 15 minutes for them to drown. 12 of those minutes they would just be hiding. Water is their element and they are not worried a bit about being under water. At the very last they try to surface and when they can't a very short struggle ensues, they pass out and then you better leave them under for a while their body slowly relaxes.
Land animals though are a different thing. I put this question to some experienced profesionals, one of them being a DVM and it sounds like your best bet for land animals would be a high powered pellet gun. Lethal injection on large animals sounds like a bit much for the average person. Co2 is going to be inconvenient in most situations. Sooner or later you're going to want to try for a cat and shooting is the best choice for you on them.
I looked up the law on Felons and firearms. I see where you are correct on being able to have an air rifle. The reason I questioned it is I know it is not neccesarily like that in other states. I'd say shop for a good air rifle.
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 11:05:50 PM
Smossy,You know what would suffice as something decent? I have 3 of them but I dont think Id use any of them to dispatch an animal, They're kinda weak IMO
I know drowning sounds a little harsh to the unintiated. For water animals though it is a little different then most people imagine. Back before cage traps I used to occasionally get a live one. You would push them out into deep water and it might take 15 minutes for them to drown. 12 of those minutes they would just be hiding. Water is their element and they are not worried a bit about being under water. At the very last they try to surface and when they can't a very short struggle ensues, they pass out and then you better leave them under for a while their body slowly relaxes.
Land animals though are a different thing. I put this question to some experienced profesionals, one of them being a DVM and it sounds like your best bet for land animals would be a high powered pellet gun. Lethal injection on large animals sounds like a bit much for the average person. Co2 is going to be inconvenient in most situations. Sooner or later you're going to want to try for a cat and shooting is the best choice for you on them.
I looked up the law on Felons and firearms. I see where you are correct on being able to have an air rifle. The reason I questioned it is I know it is not neccesarily like that in other states. I'd say shop for a good air rifle.
Maybe a break barrel around 1000fps? I do want some cats, no doubt.
Here's a question for you, what time of animal digs holes roughly the thickness of a 2 liter bottle, and you can find 100's of holes next to eachother. We ran across this on the side of a hill, They were dug horizontally into the side of a small hill, all of them being roughly a few feet apart but on one hill I know I counted around 40 holes. Was in thick wooded area, Any idea?
Post by: Curly on August 27, 2013, 11:09:34 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mtn_beavers.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mtn_beavers.html)
As far as pellet gun for dispatch, I'd say 22 cal pump or break action. :twocents:
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 11:13:13 PM
Mountain beaver :dunno:Agreed.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mtn_beavers.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mtn_beavers.html)
As far as pellet gun for dispatch, I'd say 22 cal pump or break action. :twocents:
Good find on that mountain beaver, That may actually be it. Maybe Im on to something here, good place to practice my trapping skeels :chuckle: Now to just learn how to set traps. Cant wait for December to roll around! Once hunting season is over, Its on to trapping.
Post by: paytonma on August 28, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
Post by: Humptulips on August 28, 2013, 12:39:43 AM
im wondering how the co2 thing would be any different than drowning an animal its kind of the same idea i mean its your opinion and im not trying to be a jerk it just seems like the same difference to me? :dunno:The whole idea behind the Co2 on land animals is it seems like air. It is minus O2. They can breath normally so no panic sets in. The AVMA does approve of it as a humane method of dispatch so it is not just my opinion.
Post by: Humptulips on August 28, 2013, 12:42:44 AM
Smossy,You know what would suffice as something decent? I have 3 of them but I dont think Id use any of them to dispatch an animal, They're kinda weak IMO
I know drowning sounds a little harsh to the unintiated. For water animals though it is a little different then most people imagine. Back before cage traps I used to occasionally get a live one. You would push them out into deep water and it might take 15 minutes for them to drown. 12 of those minutes they would just be hiding. Water is their element and they are not worried a bit about being under water. At the very last they try to surface and when they can't a very short struggle ensues, they pass out and then you better leave them under for a while their body slowly relaxes.
Land animals though are a different thing. I put this question to some experienced profesionals, one of them being a DVM and it sounds like your best bet for land animals would be a high powered pellet gun. Lethal injection on large animals sounds like a bit much for the average person. Co2 is going to be inconvenient in most situations. Sooner or later you're going to want to try for a cat and shooting is the best choice for you on them.
I looked up the law on Felons and firearms. I see where you are correct on being able to have an air rifle. The reason I questioned it is I know it is not neccesarily like that in other states. I'd say shop for a good air rifle.
Maybe a break barrel around 1000fps? I do want some cats, no doubt.
Here's a question for you, what time of animal digs holes roughly the thickness of a 2 liter bottle, and you can find 100's of holes next to eachother. We ran across this on the side of a hill, They were dug horizontally into the side of a small hill, all of them being roughly a few feet apart but on one hill I know I counted around 40 holes. Was in thick wooded area, Any idea?
Score!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent location for a bobcat to show up. They love mountain beavers and will be hunting it regularly. Now all you need is a trap and a license.
Post by: Machias on August 28, 2013, 04:01:36 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on August 28, 2013, 05:34:06 AM
While growing up in MO, I trapped alot of red fox. I would tap them across the nose with a small stick and knock them out. Amazing how little of a hit it took to knock them out and then I would stand on their chest and crush their heart. No holes, no blood and it was quick!
:yeah:
Works on coyotes too. I wouldn't recommend it, but it works.
Post by: BiggLuke on August 28, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
But until then;
Pellet gun idea.... http://gamowhisper.com/ (http://gamowhisper.com/)
These guns are intense... atleast 1200 fps, and they have a built in suppressor.
So nobody knows you're using it!
They work great on lots of stuff. Otters, skunk, weasel, Opossum, cat, Racoons, and even big feral dogs, no problem, 1 shot.
They are just like a rifle, it's all about bullet placement. Right behind or in the ear canal.
Post by: Becky on August 28, 2013, 02:12:40 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 28, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
Ok cool, will they explain different traps to use for different species of animals? Ive already got two of these.Smossy,You know what would suffice as something decent? I have 3 of them but I dont think Id use any of them to dispatch an animal, They're kinda weak IMO
I know drowning sounds a little harsh to the unintiated. For water animals though it is a little different then most people imagine. Back before cage traps I used to occasionally get a live one. You would push them out into deep water and it might take 15 minutes for them to drown. 12 of those minutes they would just be hiding. Water is their element and they are not worried a bit about being under water. At the very last they try to surface and when they can't a very short struggle ensues, they pass out and then you better leave them under for a while their body slowly relaxes.
Land animals though are a different thing. I put this question to some experienced profesionals, one of them being a DVM and it sounds like your best bet for land animals would be a high powered pellet gun. Lethal injection on large animals sounds like a bit much for the average person. Co2 is going to be inconvenient in most situations. Sooner or later you're going to want to try for a cat and shooting is the best choice for you on them.
I looked up the law on Felons and firearms. I see where you are correct on being able to have an air rifle. The reason I questioned it is I know it is not neccesarily like that in other states. I'd say shop for a good air rifle.
Maybe a break barrel around 1000fps? I do want some cats, no doubt.
Here's a question for you, what time of animal digs holes roughly the thickness of a 2 liter bottle, and you can find 100's of holes next to eachother. We ran across this on the side of a hill, They were dug horizontally into the side of a small hill, all of them being roughly a few feet apart but on one hill I know I counted around 40 holes. Was in thick wooded area, Any idea?
Score!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent location for a bobcat to show up. They love mountain beavers and will be hunting it regularly. Now all you need is a trap and a license.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pestproducts.com%2Fimages%2F52860.jpg&hash=4a143b68c0f0c8d5c28055283a3d75fda1b0ef53)
Post by: Smossy on August 28, 2013, 02:16:28 PM
-If we're taking the trapping class together and essentially trapping together.. the animals that need-be dispatched with a firearm would be my job, no? :dunno: no idea why this is just now coming to mind.Well if YOU want to do the dispatching sure, I never imagined you would want to be that one though. Can get a .22 rifle for like $200 bucks.
Post by: paytonma on August 28, 2013, 04:14:44 PM
ahhh didnt think of it that way makes sense :sry:im wondering how the co2 thing would be any different than drowning an animal its kind of the same idea i mean its your opinion and im not trying to be a jerk it just seems like the same difference to me? :dunno:The whole idea behind the Co2 on land animals is it seems like air. It is minus O2. They can breath normally so no panic sets in. The AVMA does approve of it as a humane method of dispatch so it is not just my opinion.
Post by: Humptulips on August 29, 2013, 07:22:38 PM
Ok cool, will they explain different traps to use for different species of animals? Ive already got two of these.Smossy,You know what would suffice as something decent? I have 3 of them but I dont think Id use any of them to dispatch an animal, They're kinda weak IMO
I know drowning sounds a little harsh to the unintiated. For water animals though it is a little different then most people imagine. Back before cage traps I used to occasionally get a live one. You would push them out into deep water and it might take 15 minutes for them to drown. 12 of those minutes they would just be hiding. Water is their element and they are not worried a bit about being under water. At the very last they try to surface and when they can't a very short struggle ensues, they pass out and then you better leave them under for a while their body slowly relaxes.
Land animals though are a different thing. I put this question to some experienced profesionals, one of them being a DVM and it sounds like your best bet for land animals would be a high powered pellet gun. Lethal injection on large animals sounds like a bit much for the average person. Co2 is going to be inconvenient in most situations. Sooner or later you're going to want to try for a cat and shooting is the best choice for you on them.
I looked up the law on Felons and firearms. I see where you are correct on being able to have an air rifle. The reason I questioned it is I know it is not neccesarily like that in other states. I'd say shop for a good air rifle.
Maybe a break barrel around 1000fps? I do want some cats, no doubt.
Here's a question for you, what time of animal digs holes roughly the thickness of a 2 liter bottle, and you can find 100's of holes next to eachother. We ran across this on the side of a hill, They were dug horizontally into the side of a small hill, all of them being roughly a few feet apart but on one hill I know I counted around 40 holes. Was in thick wooded area, Any idea?
Score!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent location for a bobcat to show up. They love mountain beavers and will be hunting it regularly. Now all you need is a trap and a license.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pestproducts.com%2Fimages%2F52860.jpg&hash=4a143b68c0f0c8d5c28055283a3d75fda1b0ef53)
Yep, we'll have different kinds of traps and talk about what works best for different animals.
Post by: Smossy on August 29, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
Ok awesome, Looking forward to this.Ok cool, will they explain different traps to use for different species of animals? Ive already got two of these.Smossy,You know what would suffice as something decent? I have 3 of them but I dont think Id use any of them to dispatch an animal, They're kinda weak IMO
I know drowning sounds a little harsh to the unintiated. For water animals though it is a little different then most people imagine. Back before cage traps I used to occasionally get a live one. You would push them out into deep water and it might take 15 minutes for them to drown. 12 of those minutes they would just be hiding. Water is their element and they are not worried a bit about being under water. At the very last they try to surface and when they can't a very short struggle ensues, they pass out and then you better leave them under for a while their body slowly relaxes.
Land animals though are a different thing. I put this question to some experienced profesionals, one of them being a DVM and it sounds like your best bet for land animals would be a high powered pellet gun. Lethal injection on large animals sounds like a bit much for the average person. Co2 is going to be inconvenient in most situations. Sooner or later you're going to want to try for a cat and shooting is the best choice for you on them.
I looked up the law on Felons and firearms. I see where you are correct on being able to have an air rifle. The reason I questioned it is I know it is not neccesarily like that in other states. I'd say shop for a good air rifle.
Maybe a break barrel around 1000fps? I do want some cats, no doubt.
Here's a question for you, what time of animal digs holes roughly the thickness of a 2 liter bottle, and you can find 100's of holes next to eachother. We ran across this on the side of a hill, They were dug horizontally into the side of a small hill, all of them being roughly a few feet apart but on one hill I know I counted around 40 holes. Was in thick wooded area, Any idea?
Score!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excellent location for a bobcat to show up. They love mountain beavers and will be hunting it regularly. Now all you need is a trap and a license.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pestproducts.com%2Fimages%2F52860.jpg&hash=4a143b68c0f0c8d5c28055283a3d75fda1b0ef53)
Yep, we'll have different kinds of traps and talk about what works best for different animals.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 29, 2013, 07:27:17 PM
Well, after you take the trapping course, I'm sure you'll realize how easy and humane a drowning death really is.
But until then;
Pellet gun idea.... http://gamowhisper.com/ (http://gamowhisper.com/)
These guns are intense... atleast 1200 fps, and they have a built in suppressor.
So nobody knows you're using it!
They work great on lots of stuff. Otters, skunk, weasel, Opossum, cat, Racoons, and even big feral dogs, no problem, 1 shot.
They are just like a rifle, it's all about bullet placement. Right behind or in the ear canal.
Is this legal?
Post by: Smossy on August 29, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Is what legal? The pellet gun? Sure it is.Well, after you take the trapping course, I'm sure you'll realize how easy and humane a drowning death really is.
But until then;
Pellet gun idea.... http://gamowhisper.com/ (http://gamowhisper.com/)
These guns are intense... atleast 1200 fps, and they have a built in suppressor.
So nobody knows you're using it!
They work great on lots of stuff. Otters, skunk, weasel, Opossum, cat, Racoons, and even big feral dogs, no problem, 1 shot.
They are just like a rifle, it's all about bullet placement. Right behind or in the ear canal.
Is this legal?
.22 caliber, 32 grain pellet @ 1000+ fps = 71.1 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. Thats plenty.
Post by: pnwmtnmn on August 31, 2013, 09:53:54 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 10, 2013, 11:35:06 AM
Just found this thread, and thought I would toss out some info I have if you are still considering an air rifle.
I have a Remington Model RW1K77, .177 cal. I found it at Cabela's Bargain Cave for just over $100.00 w/scope. On-line, depending where I looked it gave MV rating of 1000 -1300 FPS.
What that translated to in real world performance is complete penetration with a lead, .177 cal pellet through a 1/2" sheet of plywood at a paced off 35 yards.
A .22 of close to velocity, at basically, end of muzzle range should be more than adequate.
I added a picture of a bobby I trapped wayyy back when legholds could be used. If you look between the nose and the eye, you can see where I shot it it with a pistol shooting .22 Long Rifle, no exit out back, and if it had been any place else like on the top of the head, there would have been no mark at all.
A .22 air rifle should be no different than this. Hope this helps.
Post by: Smossy on September 10, 2013, 11:36:51 AM
Smossy,Picture no worky.
Just found this thread, and thought I would toss out some info I have if you are still considering an air rifle.
I have a Remington Model RW1K77, .177 cal. I found it at Cabela's Bargain Cave for just over $100.00 w/scope. On-line, depending where I looked it gave MV rating of 1000 -1300 FPS.
What that translated to in real world performance is complete penetration with a lead, .177 cal pellet through a 1/2" sheet of plywood at a paced off 35 yards.
A .22 of close to velocity, at basically, end of muzzle range should be more than adequate.
I added a picture of a bobby I trapped wayyy back when legholds could be used. If you look between the nose and the eye, you can see where I shot it it with a pistol shooting .22 Long Rifle, no exit out back, and if it had been any place else like on the top of the head, there would have been no mark at all.
A .22 air rifle should be no different than this. Hope this helps.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 10, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
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Post by: Blue on November 06, 2013, 03:16:22 PM