Post by: cryder on August 28, 2013, 06:16:59 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 28, 2013, 06:41:46 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on August 28, 2013, 07:00:09 AM
I have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.
Post by: cryder on August 28, 2013, 07:06:08 AM
THERS A OLD GUY up in Clearwater I no 87 and sharp as a tack guys funny as all get out love that guyI have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2013, 07:07:00 AM
versus
the new one. Kinda funny
Post by: Bullkllr on August 28, 2013, 07:18:36 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on August 28, 2013, 07:43:21 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on August 28, 2013, 07:51:24 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2013, 07:53:06 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 28, 2013, 08:04:03 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 28, 2013, 08:07:14 AM
Post by: Curly on August 28, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 28, 2013, 08:30:31 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2013, 08:34:09 AM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on August 28, 2013, 08:53:25 AM
Ps- good luck with on your fight, I hope your test turns out good!
Post by: Curly on August 28, 2013, 08:55:06 AM
That said, the first thing I eat (day of kill) for any elk/deer I get is the heart. Cook it up with a few chopped onions and bacon, my oh my!
:tup: :yeah: :drool:
Post by: bearpaw on August 28, 2013, 09:06:05 AM
I should post some pics of some different flukes and worms........ :chuckle:
:yeah: Another bothersome varmint is the wolf worms. :yike:
E. Granulosus eggs are passed by wolves in their stool, grazing ungulates or any critter that happens to sniff an infected wolf fece can become infected when the microscopic eggs are inhaled into the lungs and enter the blood stream. The egg lodges in one of the organs such as the lungs, liver, or brain and a cyst begins growing. If that infected animal is eaten by another animal (dog, wolf, etc.) and the cyst is eaten then the new host's intestines becomes infected with the E Granulosus worm and the cycle is complete.
In humans many infections occur in third world countries where dogs are infected by eating remains of butchered farm animals. Dogs naturally groom themselves with their tongues licking their anus and their fur and spreading the microscopic eggs all over themselves. Humans (especially kids) handle the dogs and accidentally inhale or ingest these microscopic eggs. Another problem is eating food grown around infected animals.
This video details the cycle:
Cystic echinococcosis - Kist hidatik (subtitle in English) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foAaFti_13U#)
In 2012 we killed a moose that we found E Granlosus cysts on the liver, thankyou WDFW and other F&G agancies for not making this known to the public about wolf worms. No, there will be no uncooked liver for this kid.... :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on August 28, 2013, 09:13:09 AM
Post by: snowpack on August 28, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2013, 11:26:51 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on August 28, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
cooked however.
Post by: Alchase on August 28, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
Talk about nasty!
Post by: bracer40 on August 28, 2013, 12:54:52 PM
The only "first elk" tradition beside fresh backstrap BBQ was when my uncle took the bladder of my first elk, nicked the corner of it and while holding it in one hand called my name, when I looked up at him he squished the bladder and shot elk pee all over me from about 8 ft away!
Talk about nasty!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That's funny!
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 28, 2013, 02:06:02 PM
Simple google search of life expectancy of native americans (current and in the 1800's).I have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 28, 2013, 02:13:01 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 28, 2013, 02:15:42 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 28, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
Post by: BoneHead on August 28, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2013, 03:02:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 28, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
Bite it like an apple....Tell me you didnt... lol
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2013, 03:06:23 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 28, 2013, 03:09:12 PM
Yep.....Elk heart?
Post by: Goldeneye on August 28, 2013, 03:10:15 PM
Yep.....Elk heart?
I doubt it. I think he's an elk virgin. :)
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2013, 03:11:40 PM
Here is the story if you want to read it....from back in 2010.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,52802.msg644792.html#msg644792 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,52802.msg644792.html#msg644792)
Post by: Smossy on August 28, 2013, 03:23:26 PM
Post by: Goldeneye on August 28, 2013, 03:49:12 PM
Dang those things have some monster sized hearts. Im reading through it now.
Size is equivalent to the animal. Some game hearts are the size of your head Smossy.
Post by: h20hunter on August 28, 2013, 04:00:04 PM
Post by: csaaphill on August 28, 2013, 04:04:13 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 28, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
G...........would you say an elk heart goes about 10 lbs?:yike:
Post by: dreamingbig on August 29, 2013, 04:57:42 PM
Post by: skeeter on September 01, 2013, 10:43:52 PM
Something often misunderstood when looking at life expectancy is cause of death. Death from infection was very common back then, mostly eliminated now. Infant mortality was quite high back then, mostly eliminated now. Death from starvation was quite common back then, mostly eliminated now. Studies of native Americans that survived to adulthood prior to contact with Europeans shows them to be very healthy and long lived. They just had to survive being young and stupid without antibiotics. ;)Simple google search of life expectancy of native americans (current and in the 1800's).I have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 02, 2013, 07:25:26 AM
I agree that those things played a factor in the distant past, however the avg life expectancy even today is 6-7 years shorter. That seems a significant difference to me.Something often misunderstood when looking at life expectancy is cause of death. Death from infection was very common back then, mostly eliminated now. Infant mortality was quite high back then, mostly eliminated now. Death from starvation was quite common back then, mostly eliminated now. Studies of native Americans that survived to adulthood prior to contact with Europeans shows them to be very healthy and long lived. They just had to survive being young and stupid without antibiotics. ;)Simple google search of life expectancy of native americans (current and in the 1800's).I have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.
Post by: cougarbart on September 02, 2013, 07:32:22 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 02, 2013, 07:41:10 AM
todays life expectancy is shorter because of alchohol, and a lot of the kinds of food of today!I was talking about the difference between whites and natives.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 02, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
todays life expectancy is shorter because of alchohol, and a lot of the kinds of food of today!I was talking about the difference between whites and natives.
That is referring to natives. Our ancestors lived longer because there was no alcohol or the foods introduced to them by the pilgrims. Take the Yakamas, its just under 2 of every 5 Yakamas has diabetes, the introduction of a new culture has had a big impact still being delt to this day. That and a new generation of youth amd adults that choose to live unhealthy and be inactive.
Post by: steve04 on September 02, 2013, 01:23:27 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM
Was watching meet the kardashians with the wife and they were eating placenta. Yuck! My wife told me it was more common than I thought. I just don't get it.
Yeah I was forced to watch that with the wife and that was pretty gross.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 02, 2013, 03:56:24 PM
Liar's, your wives weren't even home. :chuckle:Was watching meet the kardashians with the wife and they were eating placenta. Yuck! My wife told me it was more common than I thought. I just don't get it.
Yeah I was forced to watch that with the wife and that was pretty gross.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 02, 2013, 05:48:48 PM
Liar's, your wives weren't even home. :chuckle:Was watching meet the kardashians with the wife and they were eating placenta. Yuck! My wife told me it was more common than I thought. I just don't get it.
Yeah I was forced to watch that with the wife and that was pretty gross.
:yike: :yike: :yike: hey, she was home, sleeping in bed....... :rolleyes:
Post by: stevemiller on September 02, 2013, 06:31:23 PM
Post by: stevemiller on September 02, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
You believe the U.S census also :dunno:Simple Google search of life expectancy of native Americans (current and in the 1800's).I have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 02, 2013, 07:38:28 PM
I know, I know. It's all a gigantic conspiracy. Nothing is ever the truth and everything you see and hear is a hoax. :tinfoil:You believe the U.S census also :dunno:Simple Google search of life expectancy of native Americans (current and in the 1800's).I have not done it nor will I. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. As far as the native man telling you it was a good idea and would help with your health. It must not work that well as the life expectancy of natives was extremely low.
:chuckle: not sure where your info comes from but all of my grandparents going back several generations were all well into their 80's and 90's.