Post by: TangoU on September 03, 2013, 11:05:29 AM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Western-Washington-hunter-killed-by-gunfire-in-Okanogan-County-222194261.html (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Western-Washington-hunter-killed-by-gunfire-in-Okanogan-County-222194261.html)
OKANOGAN, Wash. -- Deputies are investigating the death of a Western Washington man who was shot and killed while hunting in rural Eastern Washington.
Two men were grouse hunting in the area near Chesaw, and when one of the men got out of the car to shoot at a grouse, the other in the car then heard a shot and saw his friend fall to the ground bleeding, said Okanogan County Sheriff Frank Rogers.
The other man took his wounded friend to a nearby home and called for help. Medics arrived and pronounced the victim dead at the scene. Deputies have interviewed people in the area including the two people living at another home near where the shooting occurred.
Rogers says they are investigating the incident as a murder but no arrests have been made, although they do have persons of interest.
The victim's name has not been released, but Rogers said he did live in Western Washington.
Post by: Southpole on September 03, 2013, 11:06:50 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on September 03, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2013, 11:15:11 AM
Just heard that on Komo 30 min. ago. Someone on here is bound to know who the hunters were.
Sad to hear. Please make sure that your posts here regarding this death are sensitive and reflect respect toward the victim(s). There's an awfully sad family out there today.
Post by: stewcamp on September 03, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
Post by: seth30 on September 03, 2013, 11:27:07 AM
Post by: Southpole on September 03, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
Trust me, I'm just as disturbed and saddened as the rest of you, sorry for not adding that.Just heard that on Komo 30 min. ago. Someone on here is bound to know who the hunters were.
Sad to hear. Please make sure that your posts here regarding this death are sensitive and reflect respect toward the victim(s). There's an awfully sad family out there today.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 03, 2013, 11:29:31 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
Trust me, I'm just as disturbed and saddened as the rest of you, sorry for not adding that.Just heard that on Komo 30 min. ago. Someone on here is bound to know who the hunters were.
Sad to hear. Please make sure that your posts here regarding this death are sensitive and reflect respect toward the victim(s). There's an awfully sad family out there today.
I wasn't pointing a finger at you at all. I was only emphasizing what you had said that someone on here probably knows the people involved. Thanks Southpole.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 03, 2013, 11:42:13 AM
Post by: sumbeech66 on September 03, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
Post by: Southpole on September 03, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
GotchaTrust me, I'm just as disturbed and saddened as the rest of you, sorry for not adding that.Just heard that on Komo 30 min. ago. Someone on here is bound to know who the hunters were.
Sad to hear. Please make sure that your posts here regarding this death are sensitive and reflect respect toward the victim(s). There's an awfully sad family out there today.
I wasn't pointing a finger at you at all. I was only emphasizing what you had said that someone on here probably knows the people involved. Thanks Southpole.
Post by: jackelope on September 03, 2013, 11:55:04 AM
Condolences to the family.
Post by: Natures Way on September 03, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 03, 2013, 12:19:32 PM
Post by: bassquatch on September 03, 2013, 12:21:07 PM
Wow that is crazy! Got out of the car and got shot> :yike: Hope they find the shooter to get to the bottom of the story.
No kidding!! :yike: Disgruntled land owner? Drug cartel types? His buddy? Some anti? That's pretty crazy stuff!
Prayers to the family and all involved :'(
Post by: BIGINNER on September 03, 2013, 12:27:50 PM
definitely doesn't sound like an accident
Post by: Curly on September 03, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
wow. praying for the family,
definitely doesn't sound like an accident
:yeah:
Post by: Northway on September 03, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
It's always disturbing to think about the potential for nut-jobs to be thrill-killing out in the woods.
According to the Wenatchee World, the sheriff is stating that it was an intentional homicide.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 03, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
Hope they get to the bottom of this.Ohio had one for sure: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/21/Dillon-dies.html (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/21/Dillon-dies.html)
It's always disturbing to think about the potential for nut-jobs to be thrill-killing out in the woods.
Post by: WA hunter14 on September 03, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
Post by: snowpack on September 03, 2013, 01:29:38 PM
One of the articles said the buddy wasn't considered a suspect. Said he got out of the car in front of one house, but after being shot the buddy drove him to a different house for help.Wow that is crazy! Got out of the car and got shot> :yike: Hope they find the shooter to get to the bottom of the story.
No kidding!! :yike: Disgruntled land owner? Drug cartel types? His buddy? Some anti? That's pretty crazy stuff!
Prayers to the family and all involved :'(
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 03, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2013, 02:26:24 PM
It happened on Pontiac Ridge. That area is famous around here for things like that happening. This is the first time I've ever heard of a shooting
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
I'm sure our Viet vet members appreciate the shout out. :bash: :bash:
Let's not create the news before it hits the stand, folks.
Post by: jackmaster on September 03, 2013, 02:32:59 PM
very sad indeed, very sad for the families involvedIt happened on Pontiac Ridge. That area is famous around here for things like that happening. This is the first time I've ever heard of a shooting
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
I'm sure our Viet vet members appreciate the shout out. :bash: :bash:
Let's not create the news before it hits the stand, folks.
Post by: Northway on September 03, 2013, 02:41:04 PM
It happened on Pontiac Ridge. That area is famous around here for things like that happening. This is the first time I've ever heard of a shooting
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
Pontiac Ridge has a reputation in more areas than just NE WA. Regardless of the outcome, this event only add to that.
Post by: smdave on September 03, 2013, 03:15:23 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 03, 2013, 03:18:58 PM
It happened on Pontiac Ridge. That area is famous around here for things like that happening. This is the first time I've ever heard of a shooting
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
I'm sure our Viet vet members appreciate the shout out. :bash: :bash:
Let's not create the news before it hits the stand, folks.
I didn't say a vet did it. I live here and I'm just stating the facts.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 03, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
It happened on Pontiac Ridge. That area is famous around here for things like that happening. This is the first time I've ever heard of a shooting
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
I'm sure our Viet vet members appreciate the shout out. :bash: :bash:
Let's not create the news before it hits the stand, folks.
I didn't say a vet did it. I live here and I'm just stating the facts.
OK.
Post by: Southpole on September 03, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on September 03, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 03, 2013, 04:13:29 PM
just curious... what would happen to a land owner for shooting someone who was trespassing?I would be curious what the law regarding this would be as well. I'm sure it doesn't justify murder but shooting at someone trespassing.
Post by: Colville on September 03, 2013, 04:38:54 PM
Post by: TangoU on September 03, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
Totally and completely agree.
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on September 03, 2013, 04:56:41 PM
Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.
:yeah:
Yep, You have to show that you reasonably expected grave bodily injury or death of yourself or someone else for it to be justified.
Condolences to the family of the slain hunter. RIP.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 03, 2013, 05:47:08 PM
Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.I was wondering more along the lines of a warning shot. I am curious how that looks.
Post by: JLS on September 03, 2013, 05:49:17 PM
just curious... what would happen to a land owner for shooting someone who was trespassing?
Shooting someone for a property crime with nothing else to justify the use of lethal force would be manslaughter at the least and possibly murder.
Post by: JLS on September 03, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.I was wondering more along the lines of a warning shot. I am curious how that looks.
Warning shots are no bueno. It would be considered either assault and/or possibly attempted murder.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 03, 2013, 05:51:31 PM
Thanks, that's what I thought but wanted someone to confirm that. :tup:Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.I was wondering more along the lines of a warning shot. I am curious how that looks.
Warning shots are no bueno. It would be considered either assault and/or possibly attempted murder.
Post by: JLS on September 03, 2013, 05:53:35 PM
Thanks, that's what I thought but wanted someone to confirm that. :tup:Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.I was wondering more along the lines of a warning shot. I am curious how that looks.
Warning shots are no bueno. It would be considered either assault and/or possibly attempted murder.
Let me back and clarify this. For the purpose of trespassing, warning shots would likely be no bueno. You CAN fire warning shots without legal recourse, but honestly at that point you could probably legally use lethal force so why bother?
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 03, 2013, 05:55:24 PM
True.Thanks, that's what I thought but wanted someone to confirm that. :tup:Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.I was wondering more along the lines of a warning shot. I am curious how that looks.
Warning shots are no bueno. It would be considered either assault and/or possibly attempted murder.
Let me back and clarify this. For the purpose of trespassing, warning shots would likely be no bueno. You CAN fire warning shots without legal recourse, but honestly at that point you could probably legally use lethal force so why bother?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 03, 2013, 05:56:47 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
Post by: bear hunter on September 03, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 03, 2013, 07:43:38 PM
Even VP Biden says warning shots are ok, on national TV.Thanks, that's what I thought but wanted someone to confirm that. :tup:Shoot a trespasser and you may as well have shot any other person on the street. If they aren't threatening you directly or in your home you're going away for a long time. People go away when they shoot someone in their home if it's determined they weren't really a threat and you had alternatives to avoid the shooting. You're life better be in immediate jeopardy if you are going to shoot someone.I was wondering more along the lines of a warning shot. I am curious how that looks.
Warning shots are no bueno. It would be considered either assault and/or possibly attempted murder.
Let me back and clarify this. For the purpose of trespassing, warning shots would likely be no bueno
Joe Biden's AR-15 Gun Advice For Women "get a shotgun" Funny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW2I5LS08H8#ws)
Post by: TheHunt on September 03, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
They asked for the left over gas when we left. Everyone drained their gas tanks from the motor cycles. They live off of 15,000 dollars a year. They live in a shack but they had trails which connected use to many other trails. When we got stopped by other interesting folks we said we were with Carter's. And they let us go...
We only went there once!!! So I can see someone getting shot there. But the ATF is going to rain some heavy junk on them if it is truly a murder.
Post by: steen on September 03, 2013, 08:16:39 PM
Post by: TheHunt on September 03, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on September 03, 2013, 08:32:48 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 03, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
I pray too that justice is swift for the murderous fool that shot him.
Post by: KFhunter on September 03, 2013, 08:55:43 PM
Best wishes to the family and friends of the hunter.
Post by: stryker on September 04, 2013, 02:57:04 AM
by KREM.com and Associated Press
Posted on September 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM
OKANOGAN COUNTY, Wash. -- Okanogan County Sheriff Frank Rogers says the shooting death of a grouse hunter in a remote area of central Washington is being investigated as a homicide.
Okanogan County officials responded to an alleged shooting victim on Cow Camp Road on Pontiac Ridge out of Chesaw Monday afternoon.
Deputies said that when they arrived they found one person who looked to have been shot. That person was pronounced dead at the scene by officials.
Officials said two people were grouse hunting in the area of Cow Camp Road on Pontiac Ridge out of Chesaw on Monday. One hunter got out of a vehicle to shoot a grouse and the man's hunting partner said he heard a shot and saw his partner fall to the ground with blood on him.
The victim's partner said he drove from the scene to a home in the area to call police.
Rogers says the hunting partner is currently not a suspect, and no suspects have been identified. But investigators do have "people of interest" they'd like to interview.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 04, 2013, 05:10:09 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on September 04, 2013, 05:29:21 AM
Guys should go back and edit out the insults.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 04, 2013, 05:31:04 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 04, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
It happened on Pontiac Ridge. That area is famous around here for things like that happening. This is the first time I've ever heard of a shooting
up there though. There is supposed to be Vietnam vets up there that are kind of a bubble off plum. I've been up there many times, but I never stop to do anything.
Got to: www.krem.com (http://www.krem.com) if you want to keep up on it.
My first thought was Just that. ( Pontiac R/R ) I was up there late Saturday (dusk ) Checking on some property I haven't seen in a couple years as we were heading over to the Wedge area. seemed to be much less evidence of activit yup there. A few places that used to look "lived on or in"seemed vacant. Didn't stay long,since it was getting dark.
Prayers to the victims Loved ones!
Its not speculation it conveying the facts of what type of people reside in the area
Which makes me think it would be tough to find (Legit) loggers willing to do some clearing, before the neighbors do it.
Post by: mrmoskillz on September 04, 2013, 08:16:15 AM
From reading this thread it sounds like that area is something right out of Deliverance. Spooky
Post by: jackelope on September 04, 2013, 08:19:34 AM
From reading this thread it sounds like that area is something right out of Deliverance. Spooky
Ditto... I'm never going there.
:yike:
Post by: EDT on September 04, 2013, 08:21:49 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 04, 2013, 08:26:12 AM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Okanogan-shooting-death-investigated-as-homicide-222239241.html (http://www.king5.com/news/local/Okanogan-shooting-death-investigated-as-homicide-222239241.html)
by KREM.com and Associated Press
Posted on September 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM
OKANOGAN COUNTY, Wash. -- Okanogan County Sheriff Frank Rogers says the shooting death of a grouse hunter in a remote area of central Washington is being investigated as a homicide.
Okanogan County officials responded to an alleged shooting victim on Cow Camp Road on Pontiac Ridge out of Chesaw Monday afternoon.
Deputies said that when they arrived they found one person who looked to have been shot. That person was pronounced dead at the scene by officials.
Officials said two people were grouse hunting in the area of Cow Camp Road on Pontiac Ridge out of Chesaw on Monday. One hunter got out of a vehicle to shoot a grouse and the man's hunting partner said he heard a shot and saw his partner fall to the ground with blood on him.
The victim's partner said he drove from the scene to a home in the area to call police.
Rogers says the hunting partner is currently not a suspect, and no suspects have been identified. But investigators do have "people of interest" they'd like to interview.
Cow Camp Eh....This one gives a better idea of the area it happened. our land is about 1 1/2 mile farther( East) in, just beyond Pryor Loop Rd.
Post by: quadrafire on September 04, 2013, 09:06:17 AM
Post by: Hertz on September 04, 2013, 09:12:22 AM
Post by: timberghost72 on September 04, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 04, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
I thought the very same thing!
From reading this thread it sounds like that area is something right out of Deliverance. Spooky
Ditto... I'm never going there.
:yike:
Post by: quadrafire on September 04, 2013, 09:54:39 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 04, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
This is not an insult to any particular county or township but seriously, people who live back in the hills can be downright spooky.
I, along with thousands of others, am so shocked by this and I am following the news closely.
Such a shame
Post by: runamuk on September 04, 2013, 10:22:34 AM
From reading this thread it sounds like that area is something right out of Deliverance. Spooky
Ditto... I'm never going there.
:yike:
the hills of Duvall were like that in the 70's and I can tell you there are still some holdouts tucked away up there.....
I hope they solve this quickly for the sake of the family.
Post by: jackelope on September 04, 2013, 10:30:53 AM
From reading this thread it sounds like that area is something right out of Deliverance. Spooky
Ditto... I'm never going there.
:yike:
the hills of Duvall were like that in the 70's and I can tell you there are still some holdouts tucked away up there.....
I hope they solve this quickly for the sake of the family.
I think the hills of Duvall were like that in the 90's.
Post by: vandeman17 on September 04, 2013, 11:27:47 AM
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/sep/04/weapons-seized-in-hunting-homicide-victim-idd/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/sep/04/weapons-seized-in-hunting-homicide-victim-idd/)
Post by: jackelope on September 04, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
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CHESAW — Sheriff’s deputies on Tuesday seized weapons and ammunition from a Chesaw residence, across a remote road from where a grouse hunter was shot and killed on Monday.
The hunter, whose wife was notified Tuesday night, was Michael R. Carrigan, 52, of Hoquiam, said Okanogan County Sheriff Frank Rogers.
Rogers said no one has been arrested, but deputies searched a home at 470 Pontiac Ridge Road and questioned the residents, a father and son.
He said the house is about 100 yards from where Carrigan was shot.
Carrigan’s hunting partner, George R. Stover, 65, also of Hoquiam, near Aberdeen, told deputies that they were driving up Cow Camp Road at about 7 p.m. when they saw a grouse, and Carrigan got out of their truck to shoot it. After firing twice and missing, he heard another shot and turned to see Carrigan with blood on him fall to the ground. When Stover heard a second shot, he slid over to the driver’s seat and drove away, the sheriff said.
He called for help from another residence.
Rogers said when deputies arrived, Carrigan was dead.
He said deputies are investigating the scene as a homicide, and have been assisted by state Department of Fish and Wildlife officers, U.S. Border Patrol agents, and the Washington State Crime Lab.
“We seized a lot of evidence,” Rogers said. He said the homeowners are currently considered “persons of interest,” and the son was arrested on an unrelated warrant.
Post by: HntnFsh on September 04, 2013, 12:02:49 PM
Post by: 270Flat on September 04, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Post by: seth30 on September 04, 2013, 12:28:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 04, 2013, 12:34:02 PM
Post by: stryker on September 04, 2013, 12:37:23 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on September 04, 2013, 12:37:57 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 04, 2013, 12:40:45 PM
looking more and more like pissed off landowners. Most of the specualtion on this seems to be adding up.....
I guess we'll see for certain soon but :yeah:
Post by: mrmoskillz on September 04, 2013, 12:47:48 PM
looking more and more like pissed off landowners. Most of the specualtion on this seems to be adding up.....
I guess we'll see for certain soon but :yeah:
For all we know it could have just been the kid target shooting but who knows
Post by: Skillet on September 04, 2013, 12:54:42 PM
If his pard's story checks out and the guy actually got shot after he fired two shots himself, I'd have a hard time believing it was anything other than intentional.
Post by: bearpaw on September 04, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
This is really messed up! My condolences to the family.
:yeah: x2
Post by: snowpack on September 04, 2013, 01:05:46 PM
Considering the son had warrants out on him, I'm wouldn't necessarily give that much benefit of the doubt. I couldn't find names for the people at the house and the sheriff's inmate roster wasn't updated, so not much luck on finding info on the suspects.looking more and more like pissed off landowners. Most of the specualtion on this seems to be adding up.....
I guess we'll see for certain soon but :yeah:
For all we know it could have just been the kid target shooting but who knows
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on September 04, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 04, 2013, 01:17:47 PM
We don't know squat so jumping to conclusions (Vietnam vets - hillbilly's etc) isn't doing anyone any good.
Best wishes to the family and friends of the hunter.
I didn't mean for that to sound so harsh :sry:
Post by: MtnMuley on September 04, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
Post by: ouchfoss on September 04, 2013, 01:37:49 PM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on September 04, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on September 04, 2013, 02:09:37 PM
Post by: CMG on September 04, 2013, 02:57:03 PM
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the hills of Duvall were like that in the 70's and I can tell you there are still some holdouts tucked away up there.....
I hope they solve this quickly for the sake of the family.
I think the hills of Duvall were like that in the 90's.
Oh, C'Mon... the hills weren't that bad in Duvall in the 70's, good honest bikers, loggers and hippies.
.....Now the first Saturday of the month when they all got together at the old Duvall tavern in the 70's is a different story!
On point - Condolences to the family.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 04, 2013, 04:17:14 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 04, 2013, 04:23:05 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 04, 2013, 05:50:05 PM
If they were that close to the house, maybe they thought they were getting shot at?
:o seriously? I don't think so.
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 04, 2013, 05:53:42 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 04, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 04, 2013, 05:57:54 PM
Other than that, yeah I'm not sure how they could prove anything, let alone arrest someone.
Post by: Curly on September 04, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
But, that said, maybe they already have the guilty party in custody. They did arrest somebody on an unrelated warrant, right?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 04, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
I bet it is likely that they won't catch the guilty party. Probably not any easily identifiable motive. Hopefully the guilty party will talk eventually.
And it's equally likely that they already know who it is
Post by: Fishaholic on September 04, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 04, 2013, 08:05:34 PM
If they were that close to the house, maybe they thought they were getting shot at?
:o seriously? I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
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He said the house is about 100 yards from where Carrigan was shot.
But this was the comment in the other article. Wouldn't that be the defense you would use? "we were being shot at"
It is a very sad situation for sure, and I only point this out that 100 yards is not very far away from someone's home. Add crazy and you get shots fired and homicide.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 04, 2013, 08:17:35 PM
Local news here reported that the authorities have searched a residence and interviewed a person of interest. But no arrests made. Would anyone be surprised if no arrests were ever made?there was an arrest made but on other warrants he had ..
Post by: Birdguy on September 04, 2013, 09:20:09 PM
We hunted that area a little from 2000-05 and drove Pontiac ridge one time, I saw enough then to make me never want to go back. We joke about Pontiac ridge but there is some seriousness and nervousness in the conversation. I expect to see an arrest at some point or this will open the door for shooting folks that driving rural roads in Okanogan county...almost all roads in Okanogan could be deemed "rural" :bdid:.
Post by: Widgeondeke on September 04, 2013, 09:57:07 PM
either way it is a tragedy.
Post by: silverdalesauer on September 05, 2013, 12:12:07 AM
I remember all that's been done for Aaron Blanchard's family, may he rest in peace, and think it would be more fitting for us to support the family of this victim than wait for justice.
Let's do something.
Post by: Malardman on September 08, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
Next morning at Chesaw store, store owner told me that the person got out to take a leak not grouse hunting and yes it's posted both sides there, I believe these are the people my friend had talked to earlier in the afternoon,they own 5acres below my friend, asked them not to hunt on his property as they were on his trail cam?, there response was property lines are meant to be crossed...... Bad attitude.
My heart goes out to there family and I believe there was an arrest made not sure there letting that news out, it is sketchy up there, best to know people.
I thought awhile prior to posting this there's more to my story, but I don't want to start any kind of a pissing match, just letting you guys know some of the story, and I hope it's not one of the guys on the 5 acres, but I have a gut feeling it was considering they were from the area noted from the PD.
Once again prayers to the family :(
Post by: Kowsrule30 on September 08, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
So my friend and I were looking for my buck I had put down, when we found it we had heard a couple gun shots, we recovered my dear and as we were heading back down cow camp road we were stopped by boarder patrol and sheriffs dept, took are pistols, ID etc, you could tell enforcement was nervous/scared, guys in woods with flashlights etc, they had me turn my rhino around they were not letting us through though are property was less than 1mi away, not mentioning names of homeowners they were calling to come out.
Next morning at Chesaw store, store owner told me that the person got out to take a leak not grouse hunting and yes it's posted both sides there, I believe these are the people my friend had talked to earlier in the afternoon,they own 5acres below my friend, asked them not to hunt on his property as they were on his trail cam?, there response was property lines are meant to be crossed...... Bad attitude.
My heart goes out to there family and I believe there was an arrest made not sure there letting that news out, it is sketchy up there, best to know people.
I thought awhile prior to posting this there's more to my story, but I don't want to start any kind of a pissing match, just letting you guys know some of the story, and I hope it's not one of the guys on the 5 acres, but I have a gut feeling it was considering they were from the area noted from the PD.
Once again prayers to the family :(
So the guy shot him maybe twice because he had a bad attitude and pissed on their property??? With a trail cam pic??? I really can't put together a thing you are saying.... Makes no sense to me.... But kinda...
If you know so much... (kinda) why don't you report it?????????????????
Post by: winshooter88 on September 08, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 08, 2013, 11:18:59 PM
Post by: grundy53 on September 08, 2013, 11:20:31 PM
Post by: DRobnsn on September 09, 2013, 06:15:10 AM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
Post by: huntnnw on September 09, 2013, 06:17:48 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 09, 2013, 06:37:26 AM
.......... I believe there was an arrest made not sure there letting that news out, it is sketchy up there, best to know people.
Once an arrestee goes before a judge, that arrest is public information, as are inmates at all jail levels except DHS/DOD.
Post by: boneaddict on September 09, 2013, 07:23:35 AM
Grouse hunting on the road and shooting 100 yards from their house is definitely dangerous business.
I am very sorry for this gentleman and his family.
Post by: bobcat on September 09, 2013, 09:02:51 AM
Post by: Fishaholic on September 09, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
But was he really grouse hunting or was that a story made up to cover up something else? I guess we'll never know.
I know its a sad deal and if someone did murder him I hope they find out what happened and who did it.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 09, 2013, 09:28:09 AM
But was he really grouse hunting or was that a story made up to cover up something else? I guess we'll never know.
From an UN named members PM to me after he read (here) that I had property on the ridge.............
"........Tim Carrigan who was shot, stays
on the property across the road from ours. I was up there last week and Tim and his brother
mike were their, They have been coming up there for several years and were great guys, I had
dinner with them sunday nite and cant believe what has happened. "
Sounds legit to Me
Post by: wayne on September 09, 2013, 10:28:40 AM
Hello, I have to get into this discussion. My wife and I have 20+ac on
Pontiac Ridge, We built a large cabin and shop on the property about
8 years ago. We live in Wenatchee and go up every other weekend and
a few full weeks in the fall. We have met some great people up there
and a few that are differant, But we have the same mix here in Wenatchee.
Now about the murder up there, Tim Carrigan and his brother Mike had
a few ac across from us. They started coming up about 4 years ago and
they are great people, They have helped out several folks up there when
they are up. Sad to say I had dinner with Mike the day before he was murdered.
Mike and his brother Tim were up for grouse hunting and to scout out for
muzzle loading season. They always respected property owners and asked
permission to hunt or cross there property, I don't know yet what happened
that Monday, but hope we learn more quickly. I KNOW this much, mike would
have given you the shirt of his back and then some. I hope they get the person
or person's quick and they go away for a long long time.
Wayne
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 09, 2013, 10:44:20 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 09, 2013, 10:52:46 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on September 09, 2013, 11:12:50 AM
Post by: superdown on September 09, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 09, 2013, 11:57:24 AM
Post by: DRobnsn on September 09, 2013, 12:53:11 PM
Talking the type of people that live up that way...all to familiar with the "hillbilly" and "off the grid" type that live in the parts of NE WA
Gotcha, don't think I was trying to defend whoever this loser is that took this mans life. In no way was that my intent. I to am hoping for a quick outcome for this guy's family. I'm sure my uncle knew him he seems to know everyone from the grays harbor area.
One thing we need to do is keep up on this and don't let it get swept under the rug like so many other news story's that fizzle out after the big headline.
Post by: wayne on September 09, 2013, 01:10:52 PM
I ran into a guy while hunting over the weekend and we were just chatting when somehow the subject came up.....turns out the guy I was talking with told me that was his friend and he lived in who was killed and lived in Chesaw as well ! A few minutes after leaving I started thinking how strange the conversation was. He was with two other guys in a jeep and had drove up a gated road which was locked. . I had several elk right of above me and they split after hearing the jeep. I was annoyed and wondered how they got up the road since it was gated. Apparently his friend worked for the FS and had a key to the gate.I can guarantee you Mike never lived in Chesaw, Too many rumors.
Wayne
Post by: Bean Counter on September 09, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Post by: Hermit on September 09, 2013, 03:48:32 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 09, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
Post by: Hermit on September 09, 2013, 04:28:53 PM
Post by: wayne on September 09, 2013, 04:42:25 PM
wayne- sorry I didn't word it correctly after re-reading it. The hunter I ran into said he was the one that lived in Chesaw and was friends with the person who was killed. Very sorry for your friend.No problem, Way too many rumor's floating around, We are just going to have wait for
the investigation to get completed, I have heard at least 20 versions. Once it is out we can
have a a real discussion.
Wayne
Post by: Hermit on September 09, 2013, 06:40:30 PM
Post by: fishseeker on September 10, 2013, 08:17:45 AM
Post by: TheHunt on September 13, 2013, 08:02:28 PM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
You might have something... Look at president obama. Just saying!!!
Post by: DRobnsn on September 19, 2013, 05:09:59 PM
Post by: 81husky on September 25, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
Post by: quadrafire on September 26, 2013, 07:35:51 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 26, 2013, 08:16:26 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 19, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/two-men-arrested-for-grouse-hunter-killing/-/101214/23058272/-/15bdesm/-/index.html?showAds=0 (http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/two-men-arrested-for-grouse-hunter-killing/-/101214/23058272/-/15bdesm/-/index.html?showAds=0)
Post by: returnofsid on November 19, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on November 19, 2013, 06:04:47 PM
Post by: Stickerbush on November 19, 2013, 06:09:41 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 19, 2013, 06:16:02 PM
wow looks like a couple of winners:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: bear hunter on November 19, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 20, 2013, 06:57:30 AM
Post by: furiouzgeorge on November 20, 2013, 09:06:47 AM
My condolences to the family!
Post by: rudedawg1085 on November 20, 2013, 09:08:04 AM
Sure hope they can prove it
well he was shot in the back. Just saying, 3 people in the area, 2 walk away, 1 shot in back....id say its pretty open shut case.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 20, 2013, 10:03:18 AM
Like the Roman Emperor would do " :tdown: "
Post by: 81husky on November 20, 2013, 10:12:51 AM
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/nov/20/chesaw-father-son-arrested-for-murder/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/nov/20/chesaw-father-son-arrested-for-murder/)
I had to laugh when the Jennings said they had taken cover on the floor when they heard the first shots fired and stayed there until they heard the vehicle drive away. I'd spend a lot of time on the floor during hunting season if I did that.
The Okanogan County web site shows them booked into jail on premeditated 1st degree murder.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on November 20, 2013, 10:35:37 AM
Quote
OKANOGAN — Authorities on Tuesday arrested a Chesaw man and his father on suspicion of first-degree murder of a man who was hunting grouse near their land in September.
Adam S. Jennings, 27, and John W. Jennings, 57, were booked into the Okanogan County Corrections Center as suspects in the shooting of Michael R. Carrigan, 52, of Hoquiam on Sept. 2.
They were arrested by Okanogan County Sheriff’s deputies and state Department of Fish and Wildlife officers after more than two months of investigation.
Carrigan died of a gunshot wound to his back, according to a probable cause statement filed on their arrest. The statement, written by Detective Rob Heyen, said the Jennings “are known to the Sheriff’s Office from previous contacts involving neighbor disputes, the shooting of a vehicle and an assault where a .22-caliber firearm was used.” Adam Jennings was convicted in 2003 of second-degree assault.
After the shooting, the Jennings “were talked out of their residence, separated and taken into custody,” the statement said.
Both the father and son told deputies they had not witnessed anything, but heard two shots fired by a shotgun and another two shots from a different firearm outside the residence. They told deputies “that they had taken cover on the floor of their house when the first shots were heard until the end when a vehicle was heard leaving.”
The sheriff’s office obtained a warrant to search their residence, and seized 18 firearms and ammunition.
Undersheriff Joe Somday said a motive for the shooting hasn’t been determined. He said deputies were on scene Tuesday afternoon searching their home.
After the shooting, Carrigan’s hunting partner, George R. Stover, 65, also of Hoquiam, told deputies that they were driving in the area when Carrigan pulled over and got out of their truck to shoot a grouse. After firing twice and missing, Stover heard another shot and turned to see Carrigan with blood on him fall to the ground. He then slid over to the driver’s seat and fled the scene, calling for help from another residence.
The Jennings were considered persons of interest since the shooting, said Somday.
Soon after the shooting, deputies seized weapons and ammunition from their home at 470 Pontiac Ridge Road, about 100 yards from where Carrigan was shot.
In addition to possible murder charges, Adam Jennings was also booked on suspicion of unlawful possession of firearms, and John Jennings was arrested on suspicion of delivering a firearm to an ineligible person.
look at the pics, yep i hear banjos for sure YEEEESH :o
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 20, 2013, 10:36:57 AM
Pray for justice.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on November 20, 2013, 10:38:41 AM
Post by: lostbackpacker on November 20, 2013, 10:42:34 AM
Post by: 81husky on November 20, 2013, 10:56:48 AM
if convicted, they should be thrown in jail for life or executed. all their property forfeited to the victims family for restitution.
They don't have much.
Post by: DRobnsn on November 20, 2013, 11:02:56 AM
if convicted, they should be executed. all their property forfeited to the victims family for restitution.
Fixed that for you, we can no longer afford Life imprisonment for killers its time to ramp up the punishment to fit the crime. Then maybe, people will think twice before killing in the first place.
Post by: Fowlweather25 on November 20, 2013, 11:06:27 AM
Post by: Ripper on November 20, 2013, 11:13:49 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on November 20, 2013, 12:14:40 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on November 21, 2013, 04:36:56 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on November 21, 2013, 09:13:36 AM
Post by: pilebuck on October 01, 2014, 06:59:34 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on October 01, 2014, 10:44:25 PM
Post by: dis_pat_ on October 02, 2014, 10:51:29 AM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
IMO a citizen must have basic literacy and numeracy, and understand basic civics to be a contibuting member of society. How they obtain these can be by any method. Formal schooling, home schooling, self-taught...but it is required. Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote. Can't do a long division problem? -- no vote. Don't know a few basic facts about US government and history? -- no vote.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 02, 2014, 11:04:41 AM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
IMO a citizen must have basic literacy and numeracy, and understand basic civics to be a contibuting member of society. How they obtain these can be by any method. Formal schooling, home schooling, self-taught...but it is required. Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote. Can't do a long division problem? -- no vote. Don't know a few basic facts about US government and history? -- no vote.
A needless threadjacking by dis pat, but I'll respond. Who decides the questions? Maybe balancing a simple molar equation should be the test. Don't know what a mole is? Sorry, we think you're too dumb to vote.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 02, 2014, 11:05:32 AM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
IMO a citizen must have basic literacy and numeracy, and understand basic civics to be a contibuting member of society. How they obtain these can be by any method. Formal schooling, home schooling, self-taught...but it is required. Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote. Can't do a long division problem? -- no vote. Don't know a few basic facts about US government and history? -- no vote.
A needless threadjacking by dis pat, but I'll respond. Who decides the questions? Maybe balancing a simple molar equation should be the test. Don't know what a mole is? Sorry, we think you're too dumb to vote.
Your proposal is accepted.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 02, 2014, 11:37:24 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test)
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 02, 2014, 11:39:20 AM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
IMO a citizen must have basic literacy and numeracy, and understand basic civics to be a contibuting member of society. How they obtain these can be by any method. Formal schooling, home schooling, self-taught...but it is required. Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote. Can't do a long division problem? -- no vote. Don't know a few basic facts about US government and history? -- no vote.
Although literacy, numeracy, and an understanding of civics can make someone a "contibuting" (the misspelling of the word in this exact place is priceless) are helpful, they're by no means requirements. Actually, there are many with those traits whose pompous attitudes and elitism detract from any contributions they might make. Michael Bloomberg is a great example. There are other great examples, perhaps very close at hand. And as well, there are many who are illiterate and have little use for long division who have contributed and sacrificed much more to and for our society. You've stated your opinion and it's clearly just that; yours. Hopefully someday you'll realize that many different people from meany different abilities and means make up the "useful" members of our society. Until then, enjoy your lunch with the Bloombergs of the world.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 02, 2014, 11:54:51 AM
The old days of Jim Crow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test)
Quick draw on the race card. Nice.
As I am sure you are well aware, Jim Crow laws were about racial segregation. Racial segregation was the raison d'etre. Because literacy tests were one way to implement the intended racial segregation, disenfranchisement, and dis-empowerment, that does not mean that all such uses such as for voter qualification are or need be. Nice misdirection though.
I don't think they are practical or, as pman pointed out, a useful determinant of who in a democratic republic should have a voice and representation.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 02, 2014, 11:59:30 AM
I was hunting on buckhorn mountain this week was out in the woods and meet the brother of the man that was killed very sad he said to me they are still waiting for the defense to Finnish their case for them lousy lowlife scums that shot his brother.He invited us over to his place felt very sad for him I could not imagine being up their again after such a tragic thing.
we have a place on the same ridge this took place. most people that choose to live up that way like to be left alone. we have met almost all the landowners around us, and ALL have been incredibly nice with us. there are a few that live there year round, and they are great people. we learned to stick to our property or the state land, that advice coming from locals. we have never had a problem and hope that will continue. it really is a beautiful area up there, i wouldnt trade our place for anywhere else. unfortunate what happened for sure, but even with us posting the heck out of our property, we still have people tresspass through and not abide by any signs we post. will be interesting to see the whole story come out with all the info. again, sorry for the loss to the family number one and also to the friends. what a tragedy.Back on topic (maybe) Are any HW property owners going to be up that way the first weekend and week of MR? I will be mostly hung the Wedge (KF) but might make it over there at some point for a day......Just curious
As for the voting thing......How about ID?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 02, 2014, 12:00:00 PM
The old days of Jim Crow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test)
Quick draw on the race card. Nice.
Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 02, 2014, 12:06:06 PM
The old days of Jim Crow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test)
Quick draw on the race card. Nice.Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote.
Doubling down? How is it racist if it applies to every race equally?
Post by: superdown on October 02, 2014, 12:09:44 PM
My dad and i were just there this weekend for muzzy and met three newer land owners and they were all very nice people.I was hunting on buckhorn mountain this week was out in the woods and meet the brother of the man that was killed very sad he said to me they are still waiting for the defense to Finnish their case for them lousy lowlife scums that shot his brother.He invited us over to his place felt very sad for him I could not imagine being up their again after such a tragic thing.we have a place on the same ridge this took place. most people that choose to live up that way like to be left alone. we have met almost all the landowners around us, and ALL have been incredibly nice with us. there are a few that live there year round, and they are great people. we learned to stick to our property or the state land, that advice coming from locals. we have never had a problem and hope that will continue. it really is a beautiful area up there, i wouldnt trade our place for anywhere else. unfortunate what happened for sure, but even with us posting the heck out of our property, we still have people tresspass through and not abide by any signs we post. will be interesting to see the whole story come out with all the info. again, sorry for the loss to the family number one and also to the friends. what a tragedy.Back on topic (maybe) Are any HW property owners going to be up that way the first weekend and week of MR? I will be mostly hung the Wedge (KF) but might make it over there at some point for a day......Just curious
As for the voting thing......How about ID?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 02, 2014, 12:34:02 PM
Doubling down? How is it racist if it applies to every race equally?
Said ad nauseam though out the south prior to 1965
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 02, 2014, 12:38:41 PM
Post by: dis_pat_ on October 02, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
oh I bet these were educated contributing members of society who did this :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, since when do you have to be educated to be a contributing member of society?
IMO a citizen must have basic literacy and numeracy, and understand basic civics to be a contibuting member of society. How they obtain these can be by any method. Formal schooling, home schooling, self-taught...but it is required. Can't read a ballot in English? -- no vote. Can't do a long division problem? -- no vote. Don't know a few basic facts about US government and history? -- no vote.
Although literacy, numeracy, and an understanding of civics can make someone a "contibuting" (the misspelling of the word in this exact place is priceless) <<[this right here is far more pompous than anything I wrote] are helpful, they're by no means requirements. Actually, there are many with those traits whose pompous attitudes and elitism detract from any contributions they might make. Michael Bloomberg is a great example. There are other great examples, perhaps very close at hand. And as well, there are many who are illiterate and have little use for long division who have contributed and sacrificed much more to and for our society. You've stated your opinion and it's clearly just that; yours. Hopefully someday you'll realize that many different people from meany different abilities and means make up the "useful" members of our society. Until then, enjoy your lunch with the Bloombergs of the world.
Looks like you're in with the pompous crowd yourself there piano. There are some very sound reasons to require literacy, numeracy and civics understanding. An ID requirement itself is nearly an indication of having met some level of those requirements. I'm sure you'll enjoy the currently unfolding results of a majority of our nation's population voting to pick the pockets of the remainder.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 02, 2014, 02:39:10 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 03, 2014, 09:05:13 AM
My dad and i were just there this weekend for muzzy and met three newer land owners and they were all very nice people.I was hunting on buckhorn mountain this week was out in the woods and meet the brother of the man that was killed very sad he said to me they are still waiting for the defense to Finnish their case for them lousy lowlife scums that shot his brother.He invited us over to his place felt very sad for him I could not imagine being up their again after such a tragic thing.we have a place on the same ridge this took place. most people that choose to live up that way like to be left alone. we have met almost all the landowners around us, and ALL have been incredibly nice with us. there are a few that live there year round, and they are great people. we learned to stick to our property or the state land, that advice coming from locals. we have never had a problem and hope that will continue. it really is a beautiful area up there, i wouldnt trade our place for anywhere else. unfortunate what happened for sure, but even with us posting the heck out of our property, we still have people tresspass through and not abide by any signs we post. will be interesting to see the whole story come out with all the info. again, sorry for the loss to the family number one and also to the friends. what a tragedy.Back on topic (maybe) Are any HW property owners going to be up that way the first weekend and week of MR? I will be mostly hung the Wedge (KF) but might make it over there at some point for a day......Just curious
As for the voting thing......How about ID?
Any success on your hunt?
Post by: superdown on October 03, 2014, 09:21:43 AM
Yeah i shot a little 2pt whitetail at 10am on sunday. I posted pics in both the 2014 buck thread and the ml deer thread not a big buck but very tasty i also got a couple of rabbits and my dad caught a very nice 14in cut we caught quite a few fish but that was the only one worth keeping.My dad and i were just there this weekend for muzzy and met three newer land owners and they were all very nice people.I was hunting on buckhorn mountain this week was out in the woods and meet the brother of the man that was killed very sad he said to me they are still waiting for the defense to Finnish their case for them lousy lowlife scums that shot his brother.He invited us over to his place felt very sad for him I could not imagine being up their again after such a tragic thing.we have a place on the same ridge this took place. most people that choose to live up that way like to be left alone. we have met almost all the landowners around us, and ALL have been incredibly nice with us. there are a few that live there year round, and they are great people. we learned to stick to our property or the state land, that advice coming from locals. we have never had a problem and hope that will continue. it really is a beautiful area up there, i wouldnt trade our place for anywhere else. unfortunate what happened for sure, but even with us posting the heck out of our property, we still have people tresspass through and not abide by any signs we post. will be interesting to see the whole story come out with all the info. again, sorry for the loss to the family number one and also to the friends. what a tragedy.Back on topic (maybe) Are any HW property owners going to be up that way the first weekend and week of MR? I will be mostly hung the Wedge (KF) but might make it over there at some point for a day......Just curious
As for the voting thing......How about ID?
Any success on your hunt?