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Title: rimrock bull wait until.morning
Post by: beaslayer6 on September 13, 2013, 09:08:35 PM: Come to rimrock today with my bull tag.. went for a 3 mile hike.. on the way back out had a bull come up at 30 yards.. stuck a arrow in him and only found wbout 10 inches of my arrow so the rest is in him... started follow blood as it was getting dark.. had good blood.. went about 100 yards and it was.dark lost the blood.. so we pulleout until the morning.. and going back in.l frist thing.
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Post by: Raul Duke on September 13, 2013, 09:11:09 PM: Good luck, I hope you find him tomorrow. :tup:
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Post by: calib on September 13, 2013, 09:11:30 PM: good luck, hope to see him
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Post by: SemperFidelis97 on September 13, 2013, 09:12:27 PM: Goodluck, and stay after him. Where did you hit him? What did the blood on the arrow look like?
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 13, 2013, 09:16:59 PM: Good luck and hope you find him.
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Post by: throttlejocky20 on September 13, 2013, 09:19:00 PM: Good Luck
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Post by: beaslayer6 on September 13, 2013, 09:45:08 PM: Bright rwd with bubbles and some small spots of darker blood.
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Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 13, 2013, 09:49:25 PM: How are the temps there right now? Bright red bubbly suggests lung, how was he when you shot.. the dark could mean you clipped the liver also. No way in hell I could wait over night haha id be out with flashlights finding that sucker. You've got far more patience then I. Good luck in the AM cant wait for pics
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Post by: Birdguy on September 13, 2013, 09:50:18 PM: Hoping for a quick recovery and some great pictures in the morning. Good luck.
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Post by: scottfrick on September 13, 2013, 09:57:47 PM: Tagging, hope to see some pics in the am :tup:
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Post by: WenHunter on September 13, 2013, 10:05:32 PM: Can't wait to see pics!
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Post by: johnr060 on September 13, 2013, 10:23:42 PM: I would not be able to wait! Sounds like good blood on the arrow, he should be dead.
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Post by: dewandgin on September 13, 2013, 10:29:42 PM: Good luck finding him in the am :tup:
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Post by: sled on September 13, 2013, 10:32:15 PM: Take The Help Offered!!! :tup:
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Post by: coachcw on September 13, 2013, 10:34:51 PM: Get on him you wait till morning and he will be sour !
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Post by: 10thmountainarcher on September 13, 2013, 10:36:05 PM: Thats what im sayin coach. No time to wait its way too hot, get good lights and go find him hes dead someplace.
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Post by: Goldeneye on September 13, 2013, 10:38:46 PM: Quote from: 10thmountainarcher on September 13, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
Thats what im sayin coach. No time to wait its way too hot, get good lights and go find him hes dead someplace.

It's to warm to let it lay overnight. No way it will cool down enough to keep the hams for going bone sour. Take all the extra light batteries you got. Don't want to run out of light for this kinda work...
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Post by: bowpredator on September 13, 2013, 10:52:02 PM: Yep continue with the trailing and if you bump him back off for an hour then repeat. Do this all night till it gets light enough for a follow up shot. If you back out till morning and he is dead, then chances he will be sour for sure. Been there done that.
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Post by: beaslayer6 on September 13, 2013, 11:06:05 PM: It was whem we got to tge truck and I have 4 guys coming in the morning.he didn't even know we where there...
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Post by: sled on September 13, 2013, 11:11:05 PM: Please Take The Help! If I Was Close I'd Be On My Way To Help.
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Post by: 6x6in6 on September 13, 2013, 11:17:20 PM: Hope this works out well for you on finding him in the morning before he sours.
Doubt I would have left unless I knew I needed help, darkness or not.

Good luck!! :)
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Post by: beaslayer6 on September 13, 2013, 11:38:50 PM: Its 48 out right he should be fine until morning.I have help to go up there and get him..or I would take the help in a heart beat...
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Post by: jrebel on September 14, 2013, 12:27:28 AM: Good luck......I can't wait to see the pics.
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Post by: LittleJohn on September 14, 2013, 02:22:25 AM: Good luck!! :)
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Post by: boneaddict on September 14, 2013, 05:10:54 AM: I hope it works out. It was oftly warm last night
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Post by: beaslayer6 on September 14, 2013, 06:17:35 AM: So that was the worst sleep I have ever got.. I was up all night..
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Post by: Bulldozer77 on September 14, 2013, 06:20:46 AM: Good luck this morning. Go get him! Can't wait for the pics.
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Post by: Taco280AI on September 14, 2013, 07:06:25 AM: Lets see him :tup:
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Post by: Goldeneye on September 14, 2013, 07:39:03 AM: Quote from: beaslayer6 on September 13, 2013, 11:38:50 PM
Its 48 out right he should be fine until morning.I have help to go up there and get him..or I would take the help in a heart beat...

The only bull I left overnight in my life was left overnight in a lot cooler weather than that. The hide is a great insulator and holds a lot of heat in the animal after it's down. I lost the hams on that one to bone sour. The meat is thick there and doesn't cool very well. Hope you don't have the same issue.
Once you get him, get the meat off the bone asap and if anything even hints of a sour smell wipe it down with white vinegar and then ice the meat. That'll address any further souring if it's trying to go bad.
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Post by: Birdguy on September 14, 2013, 07:59:32 AM: Let's hope they are packing him out :tup:.
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Post by: chukar58 on September 14, 2013, 08:20:08 AM: Wishing you luck on finding your bull.
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Post by: boneaddict on September 14, 2013, 10:04:09 AM: I am watching and waiting. Horrible weather to have to leave an animal overnight. I am not sure a deer would have even made it. I used to see so much of that on TV. I know those animals were toast. Hoping for the best for him.
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Post by: elkh8me on September 14, 2013, 10:15:25 AM: Update?
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Post by: hntrspud on September 14, 2013, 10:23:55 AM: Tag. Get this bull! Hope the meat is good
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Post by: jrebel on September 14, 2013, 10:29:35 AM: I have been in the hills for the last two weeks.....If the bull did what most wounded animals will do....it buried itself in a deep, dark, wet hole and laid down to die. With that being said I am sure if they found it and immediately got the guts and hide off it will be fine. It has been getting down to upper 40's and low 50's at night where I have been camping and that is plenty cool enough (as long as they found it before the heat hit today).

Also....I believe it is better to let a wounded animal lie rather than push it. I have witnessed many of animal lost cause they were pushed by trackers in the dark. If it was not an ideal hit and the animal did not go down within 100 yards.....I would have waited too. Better to find an animal and salvage what you can than push it and possibly never find it.

It is possible that the elk is still very much alive (though wounded) and the meat will be fine.

Lots of scenarios here......I personally like the decision to not rush things.

Hope you found him and hope to see pics.
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Post by: jackelope on September 14, 2013, 10:54:02 AM: This scenario is a double edged sword. Chase him down in the dark and bump him, keep him moving and he'll never bed to die. Leave him to bed when it's too warm and die and he bone sours. I suspect he'll go down in a dark hole and die and you'll find him in the morning, but I'm not sure about the quality of the meat. One thing for sure by the description of the blood is that he's dead. Hope you found him.
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Post by: beaslayer6 on September 14, 2013, 11:03:57 AM: We have been all over the mt and no sight of uim we.lost blood. About 200 yards in know we.fanning out and coving the hole mt.. hope we get him..
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Post by: hntrspud on September 14, 2013, 11:23:11 AM: Hes gotta be there, keep at it.
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Post by: elkh8me on September 14, 2013, 11:28:59 AM: Hang in there bud
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Post by: dreamingbig on September 14, 2013, 11:51:14 AM: I would never have the left the bull in that heat and I would never have posted this online. :bash:
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Post by: HHPro on September 14, 2013, 12:01:16 PM: Quote from: dreamingbig on September 14, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
I would never have the left the bull in that heat and I would never have posted this online. :bash:
Number one reason why nobody wants to post here anymore...the internet experts always ruin it forothers glad you never make mistakes maybe we should come learn your ways.
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Post by: dreamingbig on September 14, 2013, 12:06:46 PM: If you are that inexperienced then you really shouldn't be saying things like "I stuck an arrow in him..." An animal left overnight will bone sour in that heat. Those are just facts.

Might benefit more from responses if details like this were posted:
1. Shot angle (broadside, quartering to, quartering away?)
2. Where were you aiming, did you hit where you were aiming?
3. Did the animal run down hill, up hill?

Then you need to have good lights and should be searching all night unless you really think it wasn't a fatal shot and he is still alive.

And it would still be better for the sport as a whole if these type of posts weren't on here but that is just my opinion.
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Post by: HHPro on September 14, 2013, 12:23:55 PM: He said bubbles in the blood with dark spots so that's clearly a lung possibly two and a piece of the liver which is a fatal shot,being dark and good possibility he won't go far and lay down why push it?Hunting elk in 90 degree weather isn't the ideal conditions but thousands of people do it so why question his decision to let the bull go bed and die instead of bumping him miles into the woods with flashlights?
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Post by: scoyoc5 on September 14, 2013, 12:43:42 PM: Please do not sit here and judge other hunters...people post things like this for help not to be ridiculed online. :tup: good luck on finding your bull. I know a lot of us would have done the same thing.no reason to push a animal in the dark
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Post by: boneaddict on September 14, 2013, 12:48:27 PM: Its a good learning experience for all. I wont take a shot that late anymore. Not worth it. I did it once and it turned out OK. I heard him go down hard so was able to get on him without waiting. In this scenario, I would have waited, and since it was obviously fairly close to the truck either went for help or better lights then got on him after the short wait. I would be very worried about wasting the meat in this heat. Its quite warm over here. It was almost 100 in Yakima yesterday. Not being judgemental or expecting folks to do what I do. Just my two cents. If he is having trouble in daylight, it might have been fruitless all night anyways.
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Post by: snowpack on September 14, 2013, 12:57:27 PM: any creeks you can walk nearby where you last saw him?
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Post by: boneaddict on September 14, 2013, 01:04:45 PM: Next advice I would give is to go back to the shot. Stand and take a deep breath and very calmly take a look. Folks get all hyped up and will run by a critter several times and not see it. Eventhough an elk is big, they can pile up into a hole behind a log fairly easy. I know you are feeling the pressure and starting to feel sick over it. Just be calm. Angle of the shot would be helpful. One lung, two lungs, angled for lung and liver.....How did the bull react? A fat chunk can roll into the hole and plug the blood. They can bleed out inside without spilling much blood.
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Post by: Huntboy on September 14, 2013, 01:10:01 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on September 14, 2013, 01:04:45 PM
Next advice I would give is to go back to the shot. Stand and take a deep breath and very calmly take a look. Folks get all hyped up and will run by a critter several times and not see it. Eventhough an elk is big, they can pile up into a hole behind a log fairly easy. I know you are feeling the pressure and starting to feel sick over it. Just be calm. Angle of the shot would be helpful. One lung, two lungs, angled for lung and liver.....How did the bull react? A fat chunk can roll into the hole and plug the blood. They can bleed out inside without spilling much blood.

Great advise.
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Post by: elkhunter00 on September 14, 2013, 03:09:16 PM: Another thing is to know which direction the herd is going. I made a bad shot on an elk in the morning once, had four people looking for hours and couldn't find it. Came back right before dark and found it about 200 yards away from where I shot it. It had dropped way down a hill and had died working its way back up to the herd. At least two of us walked through the exact spot we eventually found it.
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Post by: highside74 on September 14, 2013, 05:01:11 PM: The first elk I killed fell over in full view less than 50 yards from my shot. It took me 20 minutes to find him because he fell over in a patch of ferns that were chest high with a dip. Wind changed and I spelled him and I walked right to him. I started to get nervous for a minute. I thought I was gonna hand to call my brother and have to ask for help finding a bull I watched fall over dead.

Moral of the story. Try and get the wind in your favor around last blood a rutting bull has a strong odor.
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Post by: shrek on September 15, 2013, 12:12:14 PM: Coyotes are eatin great this year!
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Post by: gotcha on September 15, 2013, 01:03:11 PM: Shrek your a stand up guy. Always have something great to say. Way to make people feel better about themselves. Go team
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Post by: beaslayer6 on September 15, 2013, 01:26:05 PM: I'm not sharing any pic for all the people who thing they can sit at home tell people what to do. In the really world *censored* doesn't work like u think.....
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Post by: sled on September 15, 2013, 01:35:50 PM: Quote from: beaslayer6 on September 15, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
I'm not sharing any pic for all the people who thing they can sit at home tell people what to do. In the really world *censored* doesn't work like u think.....
Did You Recover TheBull?
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Post by: HHPro on September 15, 2013, 01:48:23 PM: Will you share a pic for the ones who wanna see a hard earned bull?
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Post by: scoyoc5 on September 15, 2013, 01:48:43 PM: Quote from: shrek on September 15, 2013, 12:12:14 PM
Coyotes are eatin great this year!

Haters gonna hate.....good luck road hunting this year.
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Post by: boneaddict on September 15, 2013, 03:37:05 PM: I'd appreciate seeing a photo.
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Post by: Motorjosh on September 15, 2013, 03:45:46 PM: A pic would be awesome! We are all human and make mistakes and Mother Nature does some crazy things that no one can explain. Good job on finding him.
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Post by: mulehunter on September 15, 2013, 03:49:26 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on September 15, 2013, 03:37:05 PM
I'd appreciate seeing a photo.

:yeah:
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Post by: turkeyfeather on September 15, 2013, 04:01:33 PM: Sounds like you found him :tup: Hope the meat was still good. I know I would like to see the pic if you wanna pm it. And to you idiotic know it alls. I hope an angry beaver snacks your sack off while your taking a nap.
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Post by: 6haase6 on September 15, 2013, 04:40:34 PM: Yea same here open to pm or even an email or text. Great job sticking with it!!!!!
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Post by: hntrspud on September 15, 2013, 04:53:33 PM: The amount of people on here that do want to see this bull that you worked so hard for, outweigh the armchair internet experts who have probably never experienced this scenario. Pls, share a pic and don't worry about those people or what they say. Good on you for finding him. :tup:
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Post by: Rooster1981 on September 15, 2013, 05:20:10 PM: Glad you found your bull. I was rooting for ya
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Post by: dreamingbig on September 15, 2013, 06:02:21 PM: Sure hope the meat was good? Can you at least share that?
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Post by: TommyGun496 on September 15, 2013, 08:46:27 PM: Quote from: beaslayer6 on September 15, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
I'm not sharing any pic for all the people who thing they can sit at home tell people what to do. In the really world *censored* doesn't work like u think.....

Dont let shrek get you down...he is just a troll...or is it an ogre???
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Post by: turkeyfeather on September 15, 2013, 08:48:49 PM: Quote from: TommyGun496 on September 15, 2013, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: beaslayer6 on September 15, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
I'm not sharing any pic for all the people who thing they can sit at home tell people what to do. In the really world *censored* doesn't work like u think.....

Dont let shrek get you down...he is just a troll...or is it an ogre???
I think she's a trogre. :chuckle:
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Post by: lokidog on September 15, 2013, 10:01:18 PM: No pics huh? As said by others, us "real" hunters (at least those of us that hunt in the real world) would like to see it and hear the rest of the story.
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Post by: bobcat on September 15, 2013, 10:13:19 PM: I guess I missed the part where he said they found the bull. :dunno:
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Post by: lokidog on September 15, 2013, 10:16:27 PM: Quote from: beaslayer6 on Today at 01:26:05 PM

I'm not sharing any pic for all the people who thing they can sit at home tell people what to do. In the really world *censored* doesn't work like u think.....

He didn't say, but kind of implied it. I hope he did, photos or not.
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Post by: bobcat on September 15, 2013, 10:18:14 PM: Maybe he took pictures of the blood trail. I don't know, I can't make sense of his posts.
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Post by: turkeyfeather on September 16, 2013, 06:21:16 AM: I think most of us understood his posts and what he was saying.
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Post by: lostbackpacker on September 16, 2013, 06:32:52 AM: Quote from: turkeyfeather on September 15, 2013, 04:01:33 PM
I hope an angry beaver snacks your sack off while your taking a nap.

That's is hillariuos
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Post by: Curly on September 16, 2013, 03:33:36 PM: Quote from: mulehunter on September 15, 2013, 03:49:26 PM
Quote from: boneaddict on September 15, 2013, 03:37:05 PM
I'd appreciate seeing a photo.

:yeah:

:yeah:

Also, maybe a recap saying if you recovered the bull and if the meat was salvageable. It may be a good learning experience for others to learn from.

For any negative comments that may been made, there are several more positive comments and lots of people reading that don't even comment, but are rooting for you, beaslayer6. :tup:
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 16, 2013, 03:38:56 PM: I be rootin. Glad you got him!!
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Post by: bobcat on September 16, 2013, 04:15:43 PM: Again, I'm not sure why some are assuming he found the bull. Sure would be nice if he'd come back on here and provide an ending to the story that he started. :bash:
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Post by: sumbeech66 on September 16, 2013, 04:47:42 PM: Quote from: lostbackpacker on September 16, 2013, 06:32:52 AM
Quote from: turkeyfeather on September 15, 2013, 04:01:33 PM
I hope an angry beaver snacks your sack off while your taking a nap.

That's is hillariuos

I think this is whats going on in your avatar???? :chuckle: