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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: Hermit on September 17, 2013, 07:37:49 PM
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http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20130916/NEWS/309169980/0/news/ (http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20130916/NEWS/309169980/0/news/) Legal or not I'd of exposed of the carcusses differently. This just looks disrespectfull of the geese, other hunters and gives the anti-hunting crowd ammo..... Not to mention littering. I heard this on KOMO news so it's getting some attention.
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Used to see this all the time under the bridge to Stanwood from Camano Island.
Piles of ducks and geese.
Talked to the POS gamie, and he would shrug and say " yeh we know, but what ya gonna do?"
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Use them for dog bait. Dual purpose!
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
Not to me, every goose I've ever caught, I roasted or stewed, and there was nothing left but bones. I've never understood it when people just breast out birds, but to each his own, I won't condemn others for their preferences. Though I'm sure often a use could be found for the rest of the meat, including feeding pet dogs etc. if the hunter truly doesn't have a taste for the rest of the goose.
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
That's about it for waterfowl is the breast, legs are small and fatty also very thick fatty skin like coach potatoes. Nothing like upland birds because they run and walk to get around building up the meat in the leg areas where as waterfowl just fly or float allowing their legs a good area to store fat. A California quail even has a very nice leg thigh combo. I have given the waterfowl gizzard to people who eat them like candy but they end up spitting them out because nothing like the chicken kind they tell me.
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
That's about it for waterfowl is the breast, legs are small and fatty also very thick fatty skin like coach potatoes. Nothing like upland birds because they run and walk to get around building up the meat in the leg areas where as waterfowl just fly or float allowing their legs a good area to store fat. A California quail even has a very nice leg thigh combo. I have given the waterfowl gizzard to people who eat them like candy but they end up spitting them out because nothing like the chicken kind they tell me.
Sorry but BS, BS, BS... Brought home two gallon bags of legs that the three d-bags I was hunting with threw away from a weekend's hunt. Toss those babies in a slow cooker and you have a pile of meat. Goose legs are 4X bigger, so yes they are wasting game IMO. Pheasant legs are much tougher, for the very reason you give, they are running around using those muscles and have much bigger tendons running through them. There is very little "fat" on a duck's legs, what there is, just pull off when you clean them.
I have absolutely NO RESPECT for a waterfowl hunter that does not take the legs!!!! :bash:
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
Brought home two gallon bags of legs that the three d-bags I was hunting with threw away from a weekend's hunt. Toss those babies in a slow cooker and you have a pile of meat. Goose legs are 4X bigger, so yes they are wasting game IMO. Pheasant legs are much tougher, for the very reason you give, they are running around using those muscles and have much bigger tendons running through them. There is very little "fat" on a duck's legs, what there is, just pull off when you clean them.
That makes sense. Have butchered some domestic ducks and did not recall there being nothing but bones and fat.
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
That's about it for waterfowl is the breast, legs are small and fatty also very thick fatty skin like coach potatoes. Nothing like upland birds because they run and walk to get around building up the meat in the leg areas where as waterfowl just fly or float allowing their legs a good area to store fat. A California quail even has a very nice leg thigh combo. I have given the waterfowl gizzard to people who eat them like candy but they end up spitting them out because nothing like the chicken kind they tell me.
Sorry but BS, BS, BS... Brought home two gallon bags of legs that the three d-bags I was hunting with threw away from a weekend's hunt. Toss those babies in a slow cooker and you have a pile of meat. Goose legs are 4X bigger, so yes they are wasting game IMO. Pheasant legs are much tougher, for the very reason you give, they are running around using those muscles and have much bigger tendons running through them. There is very little "fat" on a duck's legs, what there is, just pull off when you clean them.
I have absolutely NO RESPECT for a waterfowl hunter that does not take the legs!!!! :bash:
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At the very least... if you don't want the rest of the birds, throw them in the garbage.
I'm willing to bet local law enforcement are waiting for the people who did this to step forward and claim responsibility, just so they can make an example out of them... at the very least, it's a littering ticket. But come on, these are the kind of people that make the rest of us look bad.
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
Nope. I've eaten many goose legs (ducks as well) in the past. We used to jerky them on the bone and throw them in our pockets for the next hunt. Nothing like gnawing on last week's goose when you're waiting for this week's goose to decoy in.
Not taking the legs of geese is a bit wasteful, IMHO.
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Found a whole bunch hanging from the fence by the potholes a couple years ago. BRILLIANT, since birders go out there too
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Any truth to the assertion that the only useable meat on a wild goose is breast meat? I've never heard that, but I don't waterfowl hunt.
Nope. I've eaten many goose legs (ducks as well) in the past. We used to jerky them on the bone and throw them in our pockets for the next hunt. Nothing like gnawing on last week's goose when you're waiting for this week's goose to decoy in.
Not taking the legs of geese is a bit wasteful, IMHO.
I agree with all of you guys. Goose legs are tailor made for the slow cooker, add some teryaki sauce or Frank's Hot Sauce and let them cook. Outstanding!
It's lazy to not take goose legs. It's even lazier to not throw the carcasses in your garbage can at home.
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For you hunters that like the waterfowl legs like the skin of the bird as well because they taste about the same IMO? Duck or goose skin is bad.
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well I am happy he explained it to these people that the breast meat is all that's edible on Fowl ...unless you like eating Head ..legs and feathers :chuckle:
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For you hunters that like the waterfowl legs like the skin of the bird as well because they taste about the same IMO? Duck or goose skin is bad.
There's this cool thing called a skinning knife, take the skin off and eat them. Do you eat the skin on the breast? :dunno: People eat chicken wings and there is just as much meat, and more, on a ducks leg.
well I am happy he explained it to these people that the breast meat is all that's edible on Fowl ...unless you like eating Head ..legs and feathers :chuckle:
Really? I've never eaten heads or feathers, but eight pounds of legs from a weekend's hunt is a bit of meat, that's two stuffed full gallon sized ziplocs. Are you agreeing with this idiot from WDFW?
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its a waist,and the mess is a disgrace,its these messes on river banks from fishermen that keep me off the rivers...doesnt matter which side of the state one lives on,I find the messes everywhere,come on folks clean up after yourselves
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For you hunters that like the waterfowl legs like the skin of the bird as well because they taste about the same IMO? Duck or goose skin is bad.
There's this cool thing called a skinning knife, take the skin off and eat them. Do you eat the skin on the breast? :dunno: People eat chicken wings and there is just as much meat, and more, on a ducks leg.
well I am happy he explained it to these people that the breast meat is all that's edible on Fowl ...unless you like eating Head ..legs and feathers :chuckle:
Really? I've never eaten heads or feathers, but eight pounds of legs from a weekend's hunt is a bit of meat, that's two stuffed full gallon sized ziplocs. Are you agreeing with this idiot from WDFW?
Well I guess leaving it on a public beach is not the thing to do ...but I do not eat legs off of fowl ...Eagles should have made fast work of them ...wonder why they did not ...I know when I used to hunt the bay ,you could not dump a pintail without an eagle snatching him up 1st ...
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It's lazy to not take goose legs. It's even lazier to not throw the carcasses in your garbage can at home.
:yeah: some good meat on goose legs,I try not to waste anything mainly for karma purposes :) even use the heart,liver and gizzard :EAT:.
Had a neighbor up the road dump a buncha breasted out snow geese in the woods behind his house, a day or two later between the neighborhood dogs,coyotes and coons they had them all stung out along and in the main highway :o People freaked and it even got the newspapers attention.
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well from having a good pile of family that live in sequim, i know there are plenty of antis over there, those geese could be from the dueshwaffle golfers that are antis to boot that killed them on the golf course or on there little keep clean no geese farm and set up to look like hunters, wouldnt be the first time.... as for useable meat on waterfowl, i have no clue, i dont hunt ducks or geese, i tried but i am sorry the meat on geese or ducks taste really NASTY, i tried everything, although a fillet of duck breast rolled in ritz cracker crumbs and wrapped in bacon and fried till completly done wasnt to bad, i dont even hunt the lake i live on because i wont eat them, and it looks like some fine shootn :tup:
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Sure was a dumb thing to do. With all the teaching about ethics and hunters in the public light during the Hunter Ed course, I would imagine this was done by older hunters who either haven't taken it at all or who took it many decades ago. It's a shame that someone doing this wouldn't be able to see the damage they do to our sport. And, they'll probably be the most vocal complaining about it when we lose our privileges.
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Before all these insults lets look at DU and Delta recipes. The vast majority that I see call for the breast meat only. I sure there is something that can be found on waterfowl legs but still the facts remain breast meat is only called for in most of these recipes.
http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes (http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes)
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php (http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php)
That should answer 3rz question the breast meat is about the only useable meat.
Sorry but I look at facts before opinion to do my best to answer questions. If someone wants to make pillows out of the feathers or leg fatty stew thats awesome, but doesn't answer the question.
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
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Before all these insults lets look at DU and Delta recipes. The vast majority that I see call for the breast meat only. I sure there is something that can be found on waterfowl legs but still the facts remain breast meat is only called for in most of these recipes.
http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes (http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes)
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php (http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php)
That should answer 3rz question the breast meat is about the only useable meat.
Sorry but I look at facts before opinion to do my best to answer questions. If someone wants to make pillows out of the feathers or leg fatty stew thats awesome, but doesn't answer the question.
The use or not of leg meat has little to do with the public perception of these carcasses left out to rot on the beach. The real problem is that 97% of the people who saw that will now have a negative view of hunting from the experience. Hunters who aren't sensitive to public perception will be the reason we lose our rights, not the fringe anti-hunting groups out there. The anti-hunting groups will do nothing but benefit from this.
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
As we're less than 4% of the population, it's more like screw us. We have to police our own ranks if we want to keep our hunting privileges.
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I'm lucky. My duck carcasses go to the back of my property abutting woods and a family of Red Tail Hawks and an occasional Eagle make fast work of the edibles. Sometimes, even Mr. Coyote joins in. A time or two I've found a duck hanging in the barbed wire next to the place I put them and couldn't figure out how they got there until I witnessed one of the hawks try to carry a duck off and it got hung up as the bird tried to fly over the fence to its nest.
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
I'm sure this attitude will get us a long ways.
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Before all these insults lets look at DU and Delta recipes. The vast majority that I see call for the breast meat only. I sure there is something that can be found on waterfowl legs but still the facts remain breast meat is only called for in most of these recipes.
http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes (http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes)
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php (http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php)
That should answer 3rz question the breast meat is about the only useable meat.
Sorry but I look at facts before opinion to do my best to answer questions. If someone wants to make pillows out of the feathers or leg fatty stew thats awesome, but doesn't answer the question.
So if an elk recipe calls for the sirloin roast, does that mean it's the only useable portion of meat on the carcass? Sorry, your logic is a little flawed. It's the equivalent of tossing the shanks and shoulders on a big game animal. No, they aren't prime cuts and may or may not be enough to get you cited for wastage. It is, however, poor form when viewed by the eye of the non-hunting public, and is also a waste of useable and edible meat.
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Geese are over-populated. They cause issues on golf courses, in parks, airports, lakes, etc. They're like flying rats.
I agree people shouldn't dump carcasses where the general public is going to see them. However I can't blame someone for not putting them in their garbage can, just to be hauled off to the nearest landfill. In a weekend of goose hunting you could easily have enough goose carcasses to fill up your entire garbage can.
And as for the meat on the legs, in my opinion that's up to each individual hunter if they want to go to all the work of getting a few ounces of extra meat off each carcass. I don't care if they do or not.
As I said, there are too many geese as it is, people should be grateful there are hunters willing and able to help keep the numbers in check.
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I have never had duck or goose, but I only breast out pheasant and wild turkey. The rest is un edible IMO.
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Well today I am holding hands with Pianoman. Right on.
A game agent in everyone of my HE classes brings this up. This goes on all over the place.
Hunter Ed or not young folks learn from example. This will keep happening till the game dept. makes it a violation to discard on public land.
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Geese are over-populated. They cause issues on golf courses, in parks, airports, lakes, etc. They're like flying rats.
I agree people shouldn't dump carcasses where the general public is going to see them. However I can't blame someone for not putting them in their garbage can, just to be hauled off to the nearest landfill. In a weekend of goose hunting you could easily have enough goose carcasses to fill up your entire garbage can.
And as for the meat on the legs, in my opinion that's up to each individual hunter if they want to go to all the work of getting a few ounces of extra meat off each carcass. I don't care if they do or not.
As I said, there are too many geese as it is, people should be grateful there are hunters willing and able to help keep the numbers in check.
And that's the crux of the issue. No one says they have to fill up their garbage cans with them. However, I bet if they're willing to do what they did, they also left their spent shells lying about.
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
As we're less than 4% of the population, it's more like screw us. We have to police our own ranks if we want to keep our hunting privileges.
..............and the greenies are less than 1/2 of 1% I bet and cause us all kinds of grief.
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the geese were only part of what was left. There was also a pile of salmon. It said they were gutted (does that mean gutted or filleted--can't tell with news anymore). So at first I assumed pinks that were probably stripped for eggs; then read that the fish were between 10-15 lbs each. Seems too big for pinks even with the huge run they are having over there, so likely silvers(?). :dunno: If someone would leave silvers I wouldn't expect them to take goose legs, but seems a bit weird---if anything take the fish fillets and leave the geese. :o
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
As we're less than 4% of the population, it's more like screw us. We have to police our own ranks if we want to keep our hunting privileges.
..............and the greenies are less than 1/2 of 1% I bet and cause us all kinds of grief.
So that means we shouldn't care about what we do in the public eye? The greenies have nothing to lose no matter what they do. We have everything to lose. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges only last as long as the public at large sees it as a benefit to wildlife and conservation? If the greenies are perceived as unethical and thoughtless, all they lose is their credibility. If we're viewed that way, we can lose our hunting privileges and give the greenies back their credibility at the same time. This is not rocket science. Being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate is really dumb in our position. :dunno:
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
As we're less than 4% of the population, it's more like screw us. We have to police our own ranks if we want to keep our hunting privileges.
..............and the greenies are less than 1/2 of 1% I bet and cause us all kinds of grief.
I'm not at all concerned with the greenies. I'm concerned with the other 90% of the population that will make the decision at the ballot box.
PMan and I are in full agreement, must be the full moon :o
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I don't see the greenies raising a stink about salmon carcasses...........
Looks like they pick and choose what they want to bitch about, screw em !!
As we're less than 4% of the population, it's more like screw us. We have to police our own ranks if we want to keep our hunting privileges.
..............and the greenies are less than 1/2 of 1% I bet and cause us all kinds of grief.
So that means we shouldn't care about what we do in the public eye? The greenies have nothing to lose no matter what they do. We have everything to lose. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges only last as long as the public at large sees it as a benefit to wildlife and conservation? If the greenies are perceived as unethical and thoughtless, all they lose is their credibility. If we're viewed that way, we can lose our hunting privileges and give the greenies back their credibility at the same time. This is not rocket science. Being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate is really dumb in our position. :dunno:
:yeah: It only took that 1/2 of a percent to post pictures of bear cubs being killed by hounds to get the majority of the state to vote against it. (I think the dogs/cubs video was from Russia or Romania where 'bear baiting' is something different)
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I don't know why you guys are picking on me. We will always be able to hunt, period. I personally could careless about greenies. I don't put up with their B.S. All they are is a bunch of terrorists. A little side tracking here. I worked on a complete green/eco friendly housing development near Monroe a few years ago hauling dirt for the contractor. Later that night. E.L.F. went in and burned some of the houses down because they THOUGHT it wasn't green/eco enough.
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I don't know why you guys are picking on me. We will always be able to hunt, period. I personally could careless about greenies. I don't put up with their B.S. All they are is a bunch of terrorists. A little side tracking here. I worked on a complete green/eco friendly housing development near Monroe a few years ago hauling dirt for the contractor. Later that night. E.L.F. went in and burned some of the houses down because they THOUGHT it wasn't green/eco enough.
Hunting is not a right, CM. Just because you say it is doesn't make it that way. I'm just saying we need to be beyond reproach in our presentation and that way, when the eco-wackos start mouthing off, no one will listen. Not trying to pick on you, just the attitude that we don't need to care what people think.
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Just wait for rifle season for deer and elk, then check out how many deer and elk carcasses are left right next to gates and trailheads. I see it (or smell it) just about every year.
The worst is when they take the carcasses out there in garbage bags and just throw the whole bag out there with the remains in the bag. Then dogs or coyotes, raven or whatever tear up the bags and scatter plastic and rotting remains all over the roadway. It is pretty gross.
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Just wait for rifle season for deer and elk, then check out how many deer and elk carcasses are left right next to gates and trailheads. I see it (or smell it) just about every year.
The worst is when they take the carcasses out there in garbage bags and just throw the whole bag out there with the remains in the bag. Then dogs or coyotes, raven or whatever tear up the bags and scatter plastic and rotting remains all over the roadway. It is pretty gross.
No worries, bro. You'll always be able to hunt, period. I read it here. Bank it. :rolleyes:
Ask the houndhunters how that works....
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Or ask the guys that like to dive for Octopus how the actions of one guy is affecting rules for taking Octopi..................
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I don't know why you guys are picking on me. We will always be able to hunt, period. I personally could careless about greenies. I don't put up with their B.S. All they are is a bunch of terrorists. A little side tracking here. I worked on a complete green/eco friendly housing development near Monroe a few years ago hauling dirt for the contractor. Later that night. E.L.F. went in and burned some of the houses down because they THOUGHT it wasn't green/eco enough.
Hunting is not a right, CM. Just because you say it is doesn't make it that way. I'm just saying we need to be beyond reproach in our presentation and that way, when the eco-wackos start mouthing off, no one will listen. Not trying to pick on you, just the attitude that we don't need to care what people think.
I'm not saying "we", I'm saying me. I don't care about the greenies one bit.
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Before all these insults lets look at DU and Delta recipes. The vast majority that I see call for the breast meat only. I sure there is something that can be found on waterfowl legs but still the facts remain breast meat is only called for in most of these recipes.
http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes (http://www.ducks.org/hunting/recipes)
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php (http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/hunting/recipes.php)
That should answer 3rz question the breast meat is about the only useable meat.
Sorry but I look at facts before opinion to do my best to answer questions. If someone wants to make pillows out of the feathers or leg fatty stew thats awesome, but doesn't answer the question.
So if an elk recipe calls for the sirloin roast, does that mean it's the only useable portion of meat on the carcass? Sorry, your logic is a little flawed. It's the equivalent of tossing the shanks and shoulders on a big game animal. No, they aren't prime cuts and may or may not be enough to get you cited for wastage. It is, however, poor form when viewed by the eye of the non-hunting public, and is also a waste of useable and edible meat.
Like I said fact of what happens out there never use logic. If this sport was based on logic there would be no hunting. The fact is money is what keeps this sport alive and rules keep changing to keep us buying everything needed for hunting. For example this year possession limits have increased, why? Answer is money, now a west sider can come to a gun club on the east side for a nice 3 day waterfowl hunting trip without worry of breaking a law. The thing that could be the future for hunting is draw but that is the worst case scenario. State makes their money and gives out very few tags which seems the big game draw gets bigger every year.
About this sport is not animal activists to worry about, it is the hunters that end up throwing themselves and other hunters under the bus by using logic of OMG you don't eat legs of the geese your lazy. They worry about boned out goose carcusses when hunters do the same with dear and elk or when I watch the news and hear a report of a car accident caused by an idiot that claims lives, I don't see these same people worried about their keys and saying that one person is going to blow our driving privilege for everyone. They sure seem to worry about goose legs on the other hand. Just don't let these animal activists make you believe what they want you to believe.
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So you guys that don't eat the legs throw out the thighs and legs of the roasted chicken you get from Safeway? And sorry turkeyfeather, throwing out turkey thighs is just stupid, it's 20%of the weight of the bird! :bash:
Hdsht, if you look at most cookbooks under chicken recipes, you will likely see that "most" call for breast meat, does that mean that chicken legs and thighs are "worthless"? Facts?? Now, I can see tossing the legs if you shoot a bufflehead or two during a day of duck hunting, however, anything bigger, why not have a bag in the freezer that you just toss the leg/thighs into and when you fill the bag, let me know and you can get them to me to enjoy. :drool: Or, I can send you an awesome recipe for curried duck with onions and apples. I brought a batch of these to a potluck where the majority were non-hunters and they got finished off, dang, no left-overs.
And as mentioned deer hunters tend to be just as lazy with their carcasses. I've had to remove multiple carcasses from off the cement at the boat launch on the Chehalis River right by Borst Park, absolutely unnacceptable IMO, and there's no "H" in that!!!
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I'll take the recipe for curried duck. Does it call for just breast? :)
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I'll take the recipe for curried duck. Does it call for just breast? :)
:DOH:
Slow cook for about four hours (legs/thighs) or until tender. Chop up onion, place in saute pan with butter, cook until about half done, add sliced apples (I like to use some soft and some more firm ones), cook until almost soft, add legs/thighs to heat, add currie and chile powder to taste, stir in a tablespoon of flour or more if large batch, add 1 cup of chicken stock per tablespoon of flour, stirring to prevent lumps, simmer for a short time. Serve as finger food or over rice with a side of cold chutney. The amount of ingrediants can be varried to suit your tastes other than the flour to liquid ratio for a good gravy. This is absolutely delicious. I even served this at potlucks while getting my masters in teaching at Evergreen State College and it was always a hit. You can also add diced breast meat if you want to slum it a little and need to pad the meat content. :chuckle:
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Have you ever tried to eat those things loki? The thighs and legs are so tuff and full of tendons and ligaments their not worth the effort.
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Have you ever tried to eat those things loki? The thighs and legs are so tuff and full of tendons and ligaments their not worth the effort.
Try slow cooking them rather than deep frying with the rest of the bird. Yes, deep fried, they can be tough and dry, but slow cooked, I like them better than the breast meat, the thighs anyways. The thighs don't really have much for tendons just like a chicken's.
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So wait! Who is making a "big deal" about this? There are only four comments on the link posted, 2 of which are by a hunter.....
Seems like it's a bigger deal on this board than anywhere by tree huggers that I can see....
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I use most everything but the honk. Feathers go in a burlap bag to wash and store for pillows. Wings and feet go to a witch for Dream Catchers and roach clips that she then trades for stuff [Witch is her religion, not my opinion of her} Anything left over goes into the woodstove so the ashes can be tilled into the garden. It's not normal to be this obsessed, but I sure wouldn't leave them hanging on a fence or otherwise publicly discarded.