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Post by: Stilly bay on September 24, 2013, 03:43:24 PM
Honestly, I'd make a point of leaving them alone unless they're in an area that is unsafe for you and yours. Silent rattlesnakes don't get killed as often and I'd prefer they don't become more common.:yeah:
being a westside flatlander I naturally don't like rattlesnakes, but I don't see the point in killing them.
Post by: jason stevens on September 24, 2013, 03:53:41 PM
kill em all good eats and cool mounts.Honestly, I'd make a point of leaving them alone unless they're in an area that is unsafe for you and yours. Silent rattlesnakes don't get killed as often and I'd prefer they don't become more common.:yeah:
being a westside flatlander I naturally don't like rattlesnakes, but I don't see the point in killing them.
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 24, 2013, 03:59:09 PM
Honestly, I'd make a point of leaving them alone unless they're in an area that is unsafe for you and yours. Silent rattlesnakes don't get killed as often and I'd prefer they don't become more common.
Silent snakes get a rock dropped on them if you're with me. I almost stepped on a 42" snake in the middle of the green grass in GMU 105. One more step and he would have got me. I put my cap on an arrow and he struck four times without making a single rattle :yike:
He got a muzzy through the skull for his trouble and I ate him that night. Silent snakes are scary! It wasn't for a lack of buttons either, he had 13.
Post by: merkelman on September 24, 2013, 05:17:10 PM
Post by: KopperBuck on September 24, 2013, 06:23:13 PM
I don't kill them all - and I've been bit. They have a purpose, just not next to my house.
Post by: HornHoarder on September 24, 2013, 06:43:20 PM
Current weather pattern coupled with light is going to cause them to be on the move towards their winter haunts. They are most certainly still out and about. I was contemplating taking an afternoon at some dens for some fall fatty pics.
I would love to see some rattlesnake photos bone!
Post by: boneaddict on September 25, 2013, 07:52:35 AM
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Post by: Jonathan_S on September 25, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
Personally, I hate mice more than I do snakes. I have killed the hell out of them at times, but for the most part I just play with them now.
Mice are little terrors :yeah: reminds me of an argument with a co-worker after I killed a rattlesnake.
"Leave them alone, they kill mice." He said.
"So do coyotes, hawks, badgers, foxes, bobcats, housecats and poison." :dunno: If I'm out in the boonies, I'll leave a snake alone but if it's anywhere near any houses...
Post by: Shoffy on September 26, 2013, 04:34:42 PM
Years ago a vet told me that he treated a dog that got bit by one, and he got sick, but it didn't die.
I guess they make a anti-venom for dogs, but it's like $1000 or something stupid
I've ran into them (and killed them) in Yakima before
Post by: hunter12 on September 26, 2013, 06:52:25 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2013, 01:39:01 PM
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I don't think they are as poisonous as people think they are. They are not Cottonmouths or Diamond Backs. I looked into it and I guess that no one has ever died from a rattlesnake bite in Washington.... Or it has never been reported.
Years ago a vet told me that he treated a dog that got bit by one, and he got sick, but it didn't die.
I guess they make a anti-venom for dogs, but it's like $1000 or something stupid
I've ran into them (and killed them) in Yakima before
Not true. Not sure where you looked. Is that sort of like wolf attacks? Most of the time they don't zap you with venom when they nail you. If they do its nasty. last fatality we had here recently died from DIC from the bite. Mountian biking if I remember right. Maybe that's what they classify as cause of death. There was also another guy killed in Vantage. Bit in the neck while climbing up a steep hill. I think he was looking for rocks if I remember right. That's just this local area in fairly recent times.
Post by: AspenBud on September 27, 2013, 04:43:22 PM
QuoteI don't think they are as poisonous as people think they are. They are not Cottonmouths or Diamond Backs. I looked into it and I guess that no one has ever died from a rattlesnake bite in Washington.... Or it has never been reported.
Years ago a vet told me that he treated a dog that got bit by one, and he got sick, but it didn't die.
I guess they make a anti-venom for dogs, but it's like $1000 or something stupid
I've ran into them (and killed them) in Yakima before
Not true. Not sure where you looked. Is that sort of like wolf attacks? Most of the time they don't zap you with venom when they nail you. If they do its nasty. last fatality we had here recently died from DIC from the bite. Mountian biking if I remember right. Maybe that's what they classify as cause of death. There was also another guy killed in Vantage. Bit in the neck while climbing up a steep hill. I think he was looking for rocks if I remember right. That's just this local area in fairly recent times.
:yeah:
They had a gal down in Oregon bit by a Northern Pacific, she was featured on some show about snake bites on Animal Planet or whatever a few years ago. They showed pictures of her leg post bite and it was black and blue from her waste down to her ankle.
My wife has also seen a dog that eventually had to have a leg amputated thanks to one down there.
The only rattlesnake that I think is not so worrisome is the Massassauga and they don't occur here, they are small, and their fangs are the shortest of the bunch. But people still have to go to the hospital, sometimes even be airlifted, when bit by one.
Rattlesnake vaccine is literally cheap insurance for a dog. Just too bad it doesn't prevent the tissue damage, only the allergic reaction.
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 27, 2013, 04:45:04 PM
QuoteI don't think they are as poisonous as people think they are. They are not Cottonmouths or Diamond Backs. I looked into it and I guess that no one has ever died from a rattlesnake bite in Washington.... Or it has never been reported.
Years ago a vet told me that he treated a dog that got bit by one, and he got sick, but it didn't die.
I guess they make a anti-venom for dogs, but it's like $1000 or something stupid
I've ran into them (and killed them) in Yakima before
Not true. Not sure where you looked. Is that sort of like wolf attacks? Most of the time they don't zap you with venom when they nail you. If they do its nasty. last fatality we had here recently died from DIC from the bite. Mountian biking if I remember right. Maybe that's what they classify as cause of death. There was also another guy killed in Vantage. Bit in the neck while climbing up a steep hill. I think he was looking for rocks if I remember right. That's just this local area in fairly recent times.
:yeah: the woman who leased to a farmer I worked for in high school died of a snake bite and so did one of my dad's friends. :dunno: this was all in between 2004 and 2007, in one county.
I think Machias had a poor hound die from just a little bite. They're nasty b@$t@rds and it doesn't take much to kill.
Post by: scout/sniper on September 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
However, they are venomous and just as dangerous as any other pit viper.
They have the most advanced venom delivery system on the planet.
Just leave them alone, they aren't after you, you are in their home.
They are an amazing animal, just give them some space.
Post by: merkelman on September 28, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
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Post by: Shoffy on October 02, 2013, 09:42:43 AM
Post by: MP123 on October 02, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
The shot for dogs is reasonable. Only 35.00 from my vet.
Yup, same here. Seems like cheap insurance if your dog will be around snakes. Now why they don't have a version for people for $35 I have no idea :dunno:
Post by: AspenBud on October 02, 2013, 04:53:29 PM
I stand corrected I guess.... sorry for not being a biologist... After seeing a ton of them one year chukar hunting I was trying to look up info on them and I swore I read they were not as "venomous" as they apparently are
Compared to a Mohave rattler or a western or eastern diamondback they aren't as bad. But don't let that lull you into thinking they aren't dangerous.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 02, 2013, 07:59:40 PM
I stand corrected I guess.... sorry for not being a biologist... After seeing a ton of them one year chukar hunting I was trying to look up info on them and I swore I read they were not as "venomous" as they apparently areWasn't being nasty at all, many people don't know the difference.
How dangerous a snake is has little to do with venom toxicity.
It has everything to do with it's temperament.
Some of the most venomous snakes in the world have never killed a human.
Crotalus.viridis (western rattlesnake) is fairly docile and will rarely strike unless harassed. 50% of their bites are dry, they release the venom on the ground before they reach you.
If you are interested in learning about snake venom you can go to my website.
And I am a herpetologist and venomous snake expert.
I just try to change people's fear and misunderstandings about these beautiful animals.
Please visit this page to learn more.
http://www.cowlitzreptilerescuelab.org/reference/venomous-snakes/ (http://www.cowlitzreptilerescuelab.org/reference/venomous-snakes/)
Post by: Shoffy on October 03, 2013, 01:31:02 PM
I stand corrected I guess.... sorry for not being a biologist... After seeing a ton of them one year chukar hunting I was trying to look up info on them and I swore I read they were not as "venomous" as they apparently areWasn't being nasty at all, many people don't know the difference.
How dangerous a snake is has little to do with venom toxicity.
It has everything to do with it's temperament.
Some of the most venomous snakes in the world have never killed a human.
Crotalus.viridis (western rattlesnake) is fairly docile and will rarely strike unless harassed. 50% of their bites are dry, they release the venom on the ground before they reach you.
If you are interested in learning about snake venom you can go to my website.
And I am a herpetologist and venomous snake expert.
I just try to change people's fear and misunderstandings about these beautiful animals.
Please visit this page to learn more.
http://www.cowlitzreptilerescuelab.org/reference/venomous-snakes/ (http://www.cowlitzreptilerescuelab.org/reference/venomous-snakes/)
Thanks for the link to your website. That was very interesting. I've always thought those ratters were pretty fascinating.
Post by: Broken Arrow on October 03, 2013, 01:36:04 PM
Post by: fastdam on October 03, 2013, 01:46:00 PM
It was so cold that day, the snake couldnt move and had no reaction to my friend standing on it. after we played with it for a while it eventually tried to crawl away at a snails pace. We found a big rock with a void under it and pushed the snake under it.
Based on my experience that day I would assume you could encounter a rattler anytime between march and december in yakima county.
Post by: Hermit on October 08, 2013, 09:44:50 PM
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 09, 2013, 07:58:46 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 09, 2013, 08:41:55 AM
Don't know about the area you questioned, but last Saturday I hunted Crab Creek and counted 9. Almost stepped on 1 and about had to change the pants. They were coming out of the woodwork in the evening to warm up I suppose. I hate snakes!
Yeah they're all over the roads down in canyons. I saw several rattlesnakes up in the Wedge last weekend on the roads. Some were squished, some I took the liberty.
I've also seen them a lot since the weather chilled in Spokane County, lots on gravel roads and warming on flat rocks.
:mgun2:
As far as them being good eats, I wouldn't say they're notably tasty. They will get the job done and they're tasty enough but they aren't declicious. Soak in salt water in the fridge for a day or so to tenderize them. Very tough and chewy.
Post by: scottr on October 09, 2013, 03:25:24 PM
I don't think they are as poisonous as people think they are. They are not Cottonmouths or Diamond Backs. I looked into it and I guess that no one has ever died from a rattlesnake bite in Washington.... Or it has never been reported.
Years ago a vet told me that he treated a dog that got bit by one, and he got sick, but it didn't die.
I guess they make a anti-venom for dogs, but it's like $1000 or something stupid
I've ran into them (and killed them) in Yakima before
With dogs, if it isn't the venom what often kills them after a snake bite is tetanus. Snakes have very dirty mouths and transmit tons of bad stuff with a bite. This happened to my father in law's britney a few years ago.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 09, 2013, 04:55:45 PM
Yes, and the teeth are so sharp that they push anything that is on your skin deeply into your muscle so it is difficult to disinfect.I don't think they are as poisonous as people think they are. They are not Cottonmouths or Diamond Backs. I looked into it and I guess that no one has ever died from a rattlesnake bite in Washington.... Or it has never been reported.
Years ago a vet told me that he treated a dog that got bit by one, and he got sick, but it didn't die.
I guess they make a anti-venom for dogs, but it's like $1000 or something stupid
I've ran into them (and killed them) in Yakima before
With dogs, if it isn't the venom what often kills them after a snake bite is tetanus. Snakes have very dirty mouths and transmit tons of bad stuff with a bite. This happened to my father in law's britney a few years ago.
Post by: fastdam on October 10, 2013, 01:26:28 AM
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Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 10:00:11 AM
Killed one last night in frenches canyon. I would have stepped on him if he didnt rattle.
You got too close to a venomous reptile.
Instead of striking and killing you, it warned you to back off by rattling.
In return you killed it. Very noble.
All you had to do was walk away, it wouldn't have given chase.
Even if it did strike you there is 50% chance that it would not have envenomated you, giving you another chance to back off.
It only wanted to be left alone.
Most snake bites occur because people try to catch or kill them, there is no reason to kill a snake simply because you are made aware of it's presence.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 16, 2013, 10:04:45 AM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 10:10:01 AM
I don't see that a 50/50 chance is acceptable in the woods. I'd kill it too. In the end my life is more important to me than the snakes.Really?
Rattlers are the ONLY venomous snakes that give a 50/50.
All others strike to kill everytime.
If you leave them alone you won't have to worry. They give plenty of warning.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
We are very lucky that we have a very docile, forgiving deadly snake to deal with.
The Western Rattlesnake doesn't strike people unless it is defending itself. Why can't people just give them some space?
They aren't exactly considered dangerous like Western Diamondbacks, Timbers and Canebrakes so the ego thing is pretty pathetic.
Nearly all snakebites worldwide are caused because someone couldn't just leave the animal alone.
Just because it CAN kill you doesn't mean it WILL kill you, or even want to kill you.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 16, 2013, 10:24:17 AM
I'll always try to avoid them but if I'm nervous I'm shooting. I've got over $1000 wrapped up into my dog alone, so if he spooks one then yes it's dying.
Sorry if that offends you. Maybe I am too nervous and I don't have nerves of steel like you. I love your website and I've learned a lot. I'll always try to back off first... But again, I'll have no reservations and will absolutely trust my gut if it's telling me to shoot.
Thanks,
Curtis
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 10:25:52 AM
Yes, really. My life is more important than the snakes.
I'll always try to avoid them but if I'm nervous I'm shooting. I've got over $1000 wrapped up into my dog alone, so if he spooks one then yes it's dying.
Sorry if that offends you. Maybe I am too nervous and I don't have nerves of steel like you. I love your website and I've learned a lot. I'll always try to back off first... But again, I'll have no reservations and will absolutely trust my gut if it's telling me to shoot.
Thanks,
Curtis
If you feel you are in danger, of course kill it.
But that is very rarely the case.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 10:32:33 AM
Thank you.
I love your website and I've learned a lot.
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 10:46:09 AM
I honestly used to kill the hell out of them. Now only occasionally and if the situation warrants it, usually having to do with being in my garden or bird pens. Now for fun I go stand in the middle of thousands of them and enjoy photographing them and watching them and listening to them. I have a couple dens I'd like to find and photograph but haven't taken the time to do so yet.
Awesome!
They are a very beautiful and fascinating animal.
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2013, 11:46:37 AM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 11:51:53 AM
When things settle down(my muley and whitetail adventures come to an end) , I'll try to do a snake compilation of some of my photos.I would love to see them!
Post by: Stilly bay on October 16, 2013, 11:54:22 AM
I really don't understand the need to kill our rattlesnakes.
Ignorance.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
I really don't understand the need to kill our rattlesnakes.
Ignorance.
Yes, I believe this is the reason.
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2013, 11:59:25 AM
I see a lot on here though with this insane desire by folks to want to kill everything. :dunno:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 16, 2013, 12:01:49 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
Thank you.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 12:06:10 PM
Fear, which often can contribute to ignorance.......
I see a lot on here though with this insane desire by folks to want to kill everything. :dunno:
The Eastern Diamondback is on the brink of extinction because of fear and ignorance.
It is needless and they deserve respect.
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 16, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
It's not that I enjoy killing them for fun. I am also one who helps bullsnakes out of the road...because they eat rattlers :chuckle:
Scout/Sniper you're a cool dude but there are people who've the exact same thing about wolves for years
The Eastern Diamondback is on the brink of extinction because of fear and ignorance.
It is needless and they deserve respect.
My Dad and I spend a lot of time on some property in Spokane County that he purchased. He kills every single rattler we see there because he doesn't want them there. Is there anything wrong with that? :dunno: he's got grandkids and dogs running there all the time and he'd rather not risk it.
The same some people do with coyotes right? Is the annual coyote contest disrespectful towards 'yotes? Do they deserve less respect simply because they're plentiful?
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
I do not tolerate rattlers in areas that I hunt or camp. The same as I wish I could treat wolves, it's not a hatred thing. They simply don't fit into my equation.Not at all. I understand dangerous animals around the house.
It's not that I enjoy killing them for fun. I am also one who helps bullsnakes out of the road...because they eat rattlers :chuckle:
Scout/Sniper you're a cool dude but there are people who've the exact same thing about wolves for yearsThe Eastern Diamondback is on the brink of extinction because of fear and ignorance.
It is needless and they deserve respect.
My Dad and I spend a lot of time on some property in Spokane County that he purchased. He kills every single rattler we see there because he doesn't want them there. Is there anything wrong with that? :dunno: he's got grandkids and dogs running there all the time and he'd rather not risk it.
The same some people do with coyotes right? Is the annual coyote contest disrespectful towards 'yotes? Do they deserve less respect simply because they're plentiful?
I wouldn't want them around my home and kids either, I just keep them in my home :chuckle:
It's the guy that is out in the wilderness enjoying nature and comes across a snake and just can't help but kill it.
They do everything possible to avoid contact with humans. Leave them alone.
All I am saying is to let them be if you can.
Post by: jackmaster on October 16, 2013, 12:20:19 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
i personally would love to spend a day getn a few rattlers, we from the west side only see gardener snakes :chuckle: but i would really like to have a few rattler skins hangn on the wall, hell i would even kill them with a stick or somethn to make it a little more sporty. i know zero about rattle snakes, i would rather catch a few alive and maybe get their venom out and then turn them loose, well after i have a few skins to put on the wall :tup:Go with someone experienced, they are fast and nasty.
You cannot keep a live venomous snake in WA.
I'm pretty sure you can't kill them just for sport either.
Post by: jackmaster on October 16, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 12:34:01 PM
no wouldnt keep it, but isnt there a way to get their venom out by pushing their fangs over a jar? dont know what i would do with it but it would be fun. would you be up for taken me out? i would rather go with someone that respected them than someone that hated them. i would only whack the ones you told me to.Yes I would like to go a snake trip next spring when they come out of brumation.
You can milk the venom with a jar and latex over the top.
It's dangerous because they can rotate their fangs and bite to the side and get your thumb.
You don't want to get bit by these guys, it's very unpleasent.
I need to study the laws on messing with them in the wild.
Post by: Mike450r on October 16, 2013, 12:44:51 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
I couldn't find any rattlesnake specific laws. They would be covered under animal cruelty laws I am sure but I think killing is only discouraged by WDFW and if done humanely is legal.
Thanks,
I read somehting about any animal not listed as a game animal being protected.
I know the laws on ownership very intimately, but not wild ones.
I will look more closely.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 16, 2013, 12:58:39 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
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The same some people do with coyotes right?That's an interesting thought. Yes, I do. Hmmmmm. Maybe I feel like I am protecting something else by splattering them. 8)
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 01:02:15 PM
There are definately differences in reasons to kill the two species.QuoteThe same some people do with coyotes right?That's an interesting thought. Yes, I do. Hmmmmm. Maybe I feel like I am protecting something else by splattering them. 8)
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 16, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
I will continue to whack every coyote that I see and understand I might be saving a fawn or two or twelve. I'll also kill a cougar and bear every chance I'm legally given.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 01:34:24 PM
Yeah I understand it wasn't an apples to apples comparison, it was just a familiar one. Of course rattlesnakes are not a detrimental factor to the deer herds :chuckle:Your point was understood so not worth arguing about, we are not far apart on things :tup:
I will continue to whack every coyote that I see and understand I might be saving a fawn or two or twelve. I'll also kill a cougar and bear every chance I'm legally given.
Post by: jackmaster on October 16, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
scout that would be awesome, i have always wanted to go. how big do they get? i would want to track down the biggest ones there are, more sport dont ya think :chuckle: is there any use for the venom from a rattler that you know of :dunno:no wouldnt keep it, but isnt there a way to get their venom out by pushing their fangs over a jar? dont know what i would do with it but it would be fun. would you be up for taken me out? i would rather go with someone that respected them than someone that hated them. i would only whack the ones you told me to.Yes I would like to go a snake trip next spring when they come out of brumation.
You can milk the venom with a jar and latex over the top.
It's dangerous because they can rotate their fangs and bite to the side and get your thumb.
You don't want to get bit by these guys, it's very unpleasent.
I need to study the laws on messing with them in the wild.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
They get around 3.5 ft. and heavy bodied.scout that would be awesome, i have always wanted to go. how big do they get? i would want to track down the biggest ones there are, more sport dont ya think :chuckle: is there any use for the venom from a rattler that you know of :dunno:no wouldnt keep it, but isnt there a way to get their venom out by pushing their fangs over a jar? dont know what i would do with it but it would be fun. would you be up for taken me out? i would rather go with someone that respected them than someone that hated them. i would only whack the ones you told me to.Yes I would like to go a snake trip next spring when they come out of brumation.
You can milk the venom with a jar and latex over the top.
It's dangerous because they can rotate their fangs and bite to the side and get your thumb.
You don't want to get bit by these guys, it's very unpleasent.
I need to study the laws on messing with them in the wild.
Venom is used to make anti-venom serum but you have to meet FDA regulations to produce it for them.
I would not try to collect venom, it puts you too close the business end for my comfort.
We could try to hook up with someone on here to take us to them. That would be cool.
Of course I would be the dork taking measurements and weights :chuckle:
We should definately put something together for the spring.
Post by: jackmaster on October 16, 2013, 02:51:49 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on October 16, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
definatly in, any experts out there that know where to find them so me and scout can get some measurments and weights and so i can collect a couple skins, i gotta try atleast once to get the venom out, it sounds like it could be quite the rush :chuckle: :tup:Sounds great.
If you really want to get venom I will show you how to handle them BEFORE we get there! :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on October 17, 2013, 06:54:59 AM
definatly in, hey scout i work with a guy that says he knows a place where there are tons of snakes, he will show ud where but he said there isnt anyway in hell that he would go with us, as he is a reall sissy lala and is scared to death or them :chuckle: you should see him when i fling a gardner snake at him, its pretty comicaldefinatly in, any experts out there that know where to find them so me and scout can get some measurments and weights and so i can collect a couple skins, i gotta try atleast once to get the venom out, it sounds like it could be quite the rush :chuckle: :tup:Sounds great.
If you really want to get venom I will show you how to handle them BEFORE we get there! :chuckle:
Post by: scout/sniper on October 17, 2013, 07:04:22 AM
That's the place to go!definatly in, hey scout i work with a guy that says he knows a place where there are tons of snakes, he will show ud where but he said there isnt anyway in hell that he would go with us, as he is a reall sissy lala and is scared to death or them :chuckle: you should see him when i fling a gardner snake at him, its pretty comicaldefinatly in, any experts out there that know where to find them so me and scout can get some measurments and weights and so i can collect a couple skins, i gotta try atleast once to get the venom out, it sounds like it could be quite the rush :chuckle: :tup:Sounds great.
If you really want to get venom I will show you how to handle them BEFORE we get there! :chuckle:
Post by: magnanimous_j on October 17, 2013, 07:32:28 AM
The shot for dogs is reasonable. Only 35.00 from my vet.
Yup, same here. Seems like cheap insurance if your dog will be around snakes. Now why they don't have a version for people for $35 I have no idea :dunno:
There is much more liability making a drug for humans. My guess is that if you took a dose of the dog anti-venom that was appropriate for your body weight, it would work just fine.
I knew a guy who used an antibiotic for aquarium fish to clear up the clap because he thought his wife would find out if he got it from the pharmacy.
Post by: KopperBuck on October 17, 2013, 08:41:02 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 17, 2013, 08:42:49 AM
The argument for not killing bullsnakes because they kill rattlesnakes doesn't hold much water if any. Just a myth.
So if I've seen it happen it's a myth? :dunno:
Post by: scout/sniper on October 17, 2013, 09:33:41 AM
This probably would work if you had someone helping you.
There is much more liability making a drug for humans. My guess is that if you took a dose of the dog anti-venom that was appropriate for your body weight, it would work just fine.
I knew a guy who used an antibiotic for aquarium fish to clear up the clap because he thought his wife would find out if he got it from the pharmacy.
It can take a lot of vials with a bad envenomation and you will likely be in and out of consciousness for a week or so.
The cure can be worse than the venom in the beginning.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 17, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
It's not a myth, they will eat rattlesnakes sometimes.The argument for not killing bullsnakes because they kill rattlesnakes doesn't hold much water if any. Just a myth.
So if I've seen it happen it's a myth? :dunno:
Just not the normal diet.
Post by: boneaddict on October 17, 2013, 10:16:46 AM
(Wikipedia is not the best source in the world, if that's your source.......)
Post by: KopperBuck on October 17, 2013, 11:40:45 AM
You mean everything on wikipedia isn't true??? :'( :'(
Post by: scout/sniper on October 17, 2013, 12:33:04 PM
Ok... a bullsnake will eat a rattlesnake. You got me - what I should have said it's not their main diet as people like to point out. I just find it absurd that think the bullsnake is what is keeping the rattlesnakes in check.LOL...no the Bull Snake does not keep the rattler in check.
You mean everything on wikipedia isn't true??? :'( :'(