Post by: CedarPants on September 20, 2013, 04:58:52 PM
While we are very tolerant parents open to discussing issues, we have none the less scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss the intent of this "education"
Post by: Ice Cap on September 20, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 20, 2013, 05:08:30 PM
Post by: rtspring on September 20, 2013, 05:13:19 PM
Post by: snowpack on September 20, 2013, 05:14:45 PM
Post by: deaner on September 20, 2013, 05:18:05 PM
Post by: Ductsquatch on September 20, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
Maybe I am new..........but I don't get it...... :P
Post by: 7mmfan on September 20, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on September 20, 2013, 05:24:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 20, 2013, 05:33:10 PM
Perhaps educate the educator.+1, go in there with facts.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 20, 2013, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 20, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on September 20, 2013, 06:01:44 PM
Let the kid right what he wants. I know it sucks but it really isnt gonna get you or your kid anywhere trying to "win" this fight with the stupid tree huggin teacher. I would explain to your child the facts and then help him right the best report he can without stirring the pot to much. Think about how your child perceives the actions you take against the teacher and school. The teacher is probably looking for a reason to start trouble.So your solution is to just cower down and bend over and take it. I don't think so. This is not education it is pushing ones agenda and that is not what WE pay teachers for?
Post by: buckfvr on September 20, 2013, 06:12:38 PM
This was the report my son was assigned today at school.
While we are very tolerant parents open to discussing issues, we have none the less scheduled a meeting with the principal to discuss the intent of this "education"
Thanks for tending the matter............ :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on September 20, 2013, 06:17:54 PM
Let the kid right what he wants. I know it sucks but it really isnt gonna get you or your kid anywhere trying to "win" this fight with the stupid tree huggin teacher. I would explain to your child the facts and then help him right the best report he can without stirring the pot to much. Think about how your child perceives the actions you take against the teacher and school. The teacher is probably looking for a reason to start trouble.The problem with that is its difficult writting to appease a point of view in which your inherent view is completely opposite. It would be like you trying to write a knowledgeable essay from a PETA point of view, I would imagine very difficult. :twocents:
Post by: snowpack on September 20, 2013, 06:21:46 PM
Post by: splitshot on September 20, 2013, 06:27:57 PM
Post by: CedarPants on September 20, 2013, 06:28:48 PM
Our thought is that we'd like to sit down with the them and present facts, from both sides, on the topic. The kids should be allowed to make informed decisions instead of being told what to think :twocents:
Post by: splitshot on September 20, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 20, 2013, 06:31:02 PM
We're very open minded and are going to let him write whatever he wants, make no mistake we have no intention of trying to get to him write something one way or another. We just feel strongly that wolves, or any other topic for that matter - the instructor .... school .... and system needs to be held accountable to knowing the science, facts, and realities behind what they are "teaching" the kids.
Our thought is that we'd like to sit down with the them and present facts, from both sides, on the topic. The kids should be allowed to make informed decisions instead of being told what to think :twocents:
:tup:
Post by: grundy53 on September 20, 2013, 07:29:54 PM
:yeah:Let the kid right what he wants. I know it sucks but it really isnt gonna get you or your kid anywhere trying to "win" this fight with the stupid tree huggin teacher. I would explain to your child the facts and then help him right the best report he can without stirring the pot to much. Think about how your child perceives the actions you take against the teacher and school. The teacher is probably looking for a reason to start trouble.The problem with that is its difficult writting to appease a point of view in which your inherent view is completely opposite. It would be like you trying to write a knowledgeable essay from a PETA point of view, I would imagine very difficult. :twocents:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 20, 2013, 07:40:44 PM
The best revenge is to do a good job, get an A, if they still give grades these days. Then, after the year is up, tell the teacher how you thought it was a transparent attempt at brainwashing, you could read him/her like a book and used them by feeding them the stuff they wanted to hear, and if he/she would just open his/her mind to alternative viewpoints, he/she would likely come to the realization that he/she is plain wrong.
Or you could skip the last part.
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 20, 2013, 07:47:23 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2013, 07:48:54 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 20, 2013, 07:52:21 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on September 21, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
Not quite sure what grade the kid is in, but my only concern is that if the teacher doesn't like his point and gives him a bad grade or fails, it may have consequences for his/her future. Most of the time the school board is gonna side with the teacher and the only one with anything to lose is the child. Rather then taking the fight to the teacher maybe round up your children and maybe attend a WDFW wolf meeting or join a anti-wolf campaign ouside of school.Let the kid right what he wants. I know it sucks but it really isnt gonna get you or your kid anywhere trying to "win" this fight with the stupid tree huggin teacher. I would explain to your child the facts and then help him right the best report he can without stirring the pot to much. Think about how your child perceives the actions you take against the teacher and school. The teacher is probably looking for a reason to start trouble.So your solution is to just cower down and bend over and take it. I don't think so. This is not education it is pushing ones agenda and that is not what WE pay teachers for?
Post by: lokidog on September 21, 2013, 10:46:46 AM
Agree with TF. Teachers should keep neutral, teach how to think NOT what to think. Teacher could have just assigned the paper asking to explain the relationship of the wolf to the environment....not plant things in the kid's mind 'extremely important' and 'need to be tolerated'.
This is what a good teacher without an agenda would have done. As an ex-teacher, and parent, I think it is totally appropriate to approach the teacher and administration to point out that this phrasing of the assignment appears to be agenda driven and to not allow another point of view/perspective to be expressed. And, that you would appreciate the phrasing of the writing prompt be changed to allow for all students to be able to apply critical thinking to their assignment. :twocents:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 22, 2013, 09:59:44 AM
Is it any more obvious the reason they want them as young as possible to get that "headstart"?
Post by: wolfbait on September 22, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
Obamas minions.....NEA,WEA.I'm hoping there are good teachers out there, but too many are carrying to force feed the exteme liberal koolaid.
Is it any more obvious the reason they want them as young as possible to get that "headstart"?
It isn't just the young'uns that are getting fed, WDFW etc need to keep the lying program up as the truth unwinds. Wouldn't want the parents telling their kids the teachers are full of chit, just ask fitkin and crew.
Post by: wolfbait on September 22, 2013, 08:06:32 PM
Obamas minions.....NEA,WEA.I'm hoping there are good teachers out there, but too many are carrying to force feed the exteme liberal koolaid.
Is it any more obvious the reason they want them as young as possible to get that "headstart"?
It isn't just the young'uns that are getting fed, WDFW etc need to keep the lying program up as the truth unwinds. Wouldn't want the parents telling their kids the teachers are full of chit, just ask fitkin and crew.
Poll shows support for wolves
Most Northwest residents say protection is needed
Idaho Mountain Express Sept. 20, 2013
Most residents of California, Oregon and Washington believe wolves should continue to be protected under the Endangered Species Act, according to a new poll released by the nonprofit organization Defenders of Wildlife. The poll comes as the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service takes public comment on its proposal to strip federal protections for gray wolves across most of the lower 48. That includes northern California and the western halves of Oregon and Washington, where there is unoccupied wolf habitat.
Wolves have already been delisted in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, where they are hunted as big-game animals.
The poll, conducted in early September for Defenders by Tulchin Research, shows that most Californians, Oregonians and Washingtonians want wolf recovery efforts to continue
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http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007148198 (http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007148198)
Post by: lokidog on September 22, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
Post by: Humptulips on September 22, 2013, 11:45:54 PM
:yeah:Agree with TF. Teachers should keep neutral, teach how to think NOT what to think. Teacher could have just assigned the paper asking to explain the relationship of the wolf to the environment....not plant things in the kid's mind 'extremely important' and 'need to be tolerated'.
This is what a good teacher without an agenda would have done. As an ex-teacher, and parent, I think it is totally appropriate to approach the teacher and administration to point out that this phrasing of the assignment appears to be agenda driven and to not allow another point of view/perspective to be expressed. And, that you would appreciate the phrasing of the writing prompt be changed to allow for all students to be able to apply critical thinking to their assignment. :twocents:
Don't put the kid in the middle.
Post by: Dadx6 on September 27, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
The state is taking a very strong stance when it comes to kids. It seems the state thinks it is a better parent, caregiver, and educator than the parents are. Is some cases, I might agree. However, that's not how it should be.
Public schools teach children theories as if they're facts. They indoctrinate the young to believe even the mention of a gun is bad. This is why my children are home schooled. My twins are in Running Start in order to get a free AA, but their mom and I are on top of what they're learning so we can add our input and let them choose from more than one point of view.
We teach our kids to "Eat the meat. Spit out the bones". In an assignment like that which your child was assigned will have morsels of truth that they should learn about, but offer you perspective to balance that which the state is feeding our young ones.
Post by: jackmaster on September 27, 2013, 09:51:10 AM
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Post by: wolfbait on September 27, 2013, 12:03:54 PM
Have him find reports from local areas in the states where the wolves have decimated the game populations, and then ask the teacher what they think now that they have all the factshttp://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm (http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm)
Post by: Old Man Yager on September 27, 2013, 12:10:46 PM
:yeah: PERFECTHave him find reports from local areas in the states where the wolves have decimated the game populations, and then ask the teacher what they think now that they have all the factshttp://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm (http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm)
Post by: hntrspud on September 27, 2013, 01:06:36 PM
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Post by: cvandervort on September 29, 2013, 07:01:24 AM
I like what one poster said about "wolves not being the same as they were 100 years ago": wolves ARE a part of the environment and they HAVE been an important part in the past (sucks for hunters to have them around, but before us, they were the ones culling the herds...). Anyways, that's what I would discuss with your kid: how the nature of wolves and their place I the order of things has changed over time...
My 2 cents
Post by: TheHunt on September 29, 2013, 07:49:59 AM
Have your child do some research on the topic. Ask them what is the good and bad of wolves. YOU and your WIFE prepare your child to have a conversation with his/her teacher. You and your wife will need to work with your child to be able to argue respectfully with the teacher. The discussion is to provide both sides of the topic. If this is done respectfully I would bet the teacher would agree allowing the child to write both sides.
If that does not work, YOU and your WIFE should go talk to the principle and let your child do the talking. Letting your children do the talking sure teaches them a lot more then you and your wife coming with guns blazing. You are there to intervene if the principle tries to push the kid around. If that does not work have a meeting with the teacher and the principle.
If the child is under the 6th grade it does not matter what grade he gets from a college app perspective.
Post by: Marcoramius on September 29, 2013, 08:17:37 AM
Agree with TF. Teachers should keep neutral, teach how to think NOT what to think. Teacher could have just assigned the paper asking to explain the relationship of the wolf to the environment....not plant things in the kid's mind 'extremely important' and 'need to be tolerated'.There is no better way to teach a child how to think than to assign them a project where they have to defend a point of view that is inherently contradictory to their own. If they do the research and lay out the facts (using the game numbers before and after wolf introduction) and also be sure to spell out that currently the wolves face no threat and are able to run rampant due to the laws protecting them, then it will be very obvious to your child and will probably even strengthen their current views. Having any animal run unchecked through an environment is an inherently unstable ecosystem and will eventually lead to a collapse.
Don't shy away from an assignment like this, embrace it, because it may just help convert others when the facts are placed in front of them.
Post by: Bob33 on September 29, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 29, 2013, 09:27:44 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2013, 10:44:46 AM
Post by: mossy8352 on September 29, 2013, 11:48:15 AM
I might suggest challenging the hypothesis that wolves are important by questioning what we lacked for the decades they were absent from our state. Did our economy suffer? Did the lack of wolves contribute to global warming? Suicide rates up? What do we have now that we didn't 25 years ago that is attributable to wolves?
Now that is a good equalizer for the topic without leaving any real room for an argument from a reasonable teacher! If not then you do not have a teacher you have an agenda pusher!
Post by: sakoshooter on September 29, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Have him instead write a report stating how the wolves we have now are not the wolves we used to have and that the wolves we have now are actually destroying the wildlife that conservationist have struggled for 100 years to bring back from the brink of extinction. His research in trying to prove that wolves are important to the environment actually turned up that wolves are a menace and need to be heavily controlled.
Exactly..............And you should definitely help him with this project Dad.