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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 06:21:46 PM »
Agree with TF.  Teachers should keep neutral, teach how to think NOT what to think.  Teacher could have just assigned the paper asking to explain the relationship of the wolf to the environment....not plant things in the kid's mind 'extremely important' and 'need to be tolerated'.

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 06:27:57 PM »
  I would have the kid choose what he wants but have him do the research of why we hunt.  talk to different groups of people and get all sides of the story.    I do believe we should treat the  wolf like the coyote and shoot them on sight.  they are eating cows,sheep, dogs, etc.  do your homework.  mike w

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 06:28:48 PM »
We're very open minded and are going to let him write whatever he wants, make no mistake we have no intention of trying to get to him write something one way or another.  We just feel strongly that wolves, or any other topic for that matter -  the instructor .... school .... and system needs to be held accountable to knowing the science, facts, and realities behind what they are "teaching" the kids.

Our thought is that we'd like to sit down with the them and present facts, from both sides, on the topic.  The kids should be allowed to make informed decisions instead of being told what to think  :twocents:

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 06:30:01 PM »
  I should have read snowpacks post before I did mine.  good stuff.  mike w

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 06:31:02 PM »
We're very open minded and are going to let him write whatever he wants, make no mistake we have no intention of trying to get to him write something one way or another.  We just feel strongly that wolves, or any other topic for that matter -  the instructor .... school .... and system needs to be held accountable to knowing the science, facts, and realities behind what they are "teaching" the kids.

Our thought is that we'd like to sit down with the them and present facts, from both sides, on the topic.  The kids should be allowed to make informed decisions instead of being told what to think  :twocents:

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2013, 07:29:54 PM »
Let the kid right what he wants.  I know it sucks but it really isnt gonna get you or your kid anywhere trying to "win" this fight with the stupid tree huggin teacher.  I would explain to your child the facts and then help him right the best report he can without stirring the pot to much.  Think about how your child perceives the actions you take against the teacher and school.  The teacher is probably looking for a reason to start trouble.
The problem with that is its difficult writting to appease a point of view in which your inherent view is completely opposite. It would be like you trying to write a knowledgeable essay from a PETA point of view, I would imagine very difficult. :twocents:
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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2013, 07:40:44 PM »
FWIW, it's a good exercise in critical thinking and persuasive writing to prepare a paper on something that you know, with every fiber of your being, is complete horsepucky. 

The best revenge is to do a good job, get an A, if they still give grades these days. Then, after the year is up, tell the teacher how you thought it was a transparent attempt at brainwashing, you could read him/her like a book and used them by feeding them the stuff they wanted to hear, and if he/she would just open his/her mind to alternative viewpoints, he/she would likely come to the realization that he/she is plain wrong.

Or you could skip the last part.

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2013, 07:47:23 PM »
Help him write a paper that will educate his teacher.  Add pictures and references.  There are plenty of references on here.  If the teacher has an issue with it, then talk to the principle.
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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2013, 07:48:54 PM »
bring it to the school board?

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2013, 07:52:21 PM »
Do the report with the negative points and facts as a strong and sarcastic counterpoint to pro-wolf agenda.  Show em how foolish they are.  Ex.  Wolves must be allowed to breed and prosper so they can weed out the sick elk.  Of course being an intelligent predator they realize a sick animal is an easy kill so they kill 100 cattle while waiting for the elk to get sick! :chuckle: Ya, don't forget the pics!
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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2013, 10:12:32 AM »
Let the kid right what he wants.  I know it sucks but it really isnt gonna get you or your kid anywhere trying to "win" this fight with the stupid tree huggin teacher.  I would explain to your child the facts and then help him right the best report he can without stirring the pot to much.  Think about how your child perceives the actions you take against the teacher and school.  The teacher is probably looking for a reason to start trouble.
So your solution is to just cower down and bend over and take it. I don't think so. This is not education it is pushing ones agenda and that is not what WE pay teachers for?
Not quite sure what grade the kid is in, but my only concern is that if the teacher doesn't like his point and gives him a bad grade or fails, it may have consequences for his/her future. Most of the time the school board is gonna side with the teacher and the only one with anything to lose is  the child.  Rather then taking the fight to the teacher maybe round up your children and maybe attend a WDFW wolf meeting or join a anti-wolf campaign ouside of school.

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2013, 10:46:46 AM »
Agree with TF.  Teachers should keep neutral, teach how to think NOT what to think.  Teacher could have just assigned the paper asking to explain the relationship of the wolf to the environment....not plant things in the kid's mind 'extremely important' and 'need to be tolerated'.

This is what a good teacher without an agenda would have done.  As an ex-teacher, and parent, I think it is totally appropriate to approach the teacher and administration to point out that this phrasing of the assignment appears to be agenda driven and to not allow another point of view/perspective to be expressed.  And, that you would appreciate the phrasing of the writing prompt be changed to allow for all students to be able to apply critical thinking to their assignment.   :twocents:

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2013, 09:59:44 AM »
Obamas minions.....NEA,WEA.I'm hoping there are good teachers out there, but too many are carrying  to force feed the exteme liberal koolaid.
 Is it any more obvious the reason they want them as young as possible to get that "headstart"?
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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2013, 07:57:15 PM »
Obamas minions.....NEA,WEA.I'm hoping there are good teachers out there, but too many are carrying  to force feed the exteme liberal koolaid.
 Is it any more obvious the reason they want them as young as possible to get that "headstart"?

It isn't just the young'uns that are getting fed, WDFW etc need to keep the lying program up as the truth unwinds. Wouldn't want the parents telling their kids the teachers are full of chit, just ask fitkin and crew.

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Re: Wolves are Extremely Important to the Environment and Need to be Tolerated
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2013, 08:06:32 PM »
Obamas minions.....NEA,WEA.I'm hoping there are good teachers out there, but too many are carrying  to force feed the exteme liberal koolaid.
 Is it any more obvious the reason they want them as young as possible to get that "headstart"?

It isn't just the young'uns that are getting fed, WDFW etc need to keep the lying program up as the truth unwinds. Wouldn't want the parents telling their kids the teachers are full of chit, just ask fitkin and crew.

Poll shows support for wolves
 
Most Northwest residents say protection is needed
 
Idaho Mountain Express Sept. 20, 2013
 
Most residents of California, Oregon and Washington believe wolves should continue to be protected under the Endangered Species Act, according to a new poll released by the nonprofit organization Defenders of Wildlife. The poll comes as the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service takes public comment on its proposal to strip federal protections for gray wolves across most of the lower 48. That includes northern California and the western halves of Oregon and Washington, where there is unoccupied wolf habitat.
 
Wolves have already been delisted in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, where they are hunted as big-game animals.
 
The poll, conducted in early September for Defenders by Tulchin Research, shows that most Californians, Oregonians and Washingtonians want wolf recovery efforts to continue
 
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http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007148198

 


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