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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: hdshot on September 24, 2013, 02:17:05 PM
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Surprised no one has posted about the possible government shutdown. Back in the 90's when this happened all of the Federal lands that I hunt where closed off to any access. These are some of the public areas that would be closed off to public hunting if a shutdown happens. Not good.
http://www.fws.gov/mcriver/regulations.html (http://www.fws.gov/mcriver/regulations.html)
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How would they enforce it if there is a shutdown?
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I hadn't thought about those areas being shutdown.
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And the EPA is going to lock up all the air and water, too.
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And the EPA is going to lock up all the air and water, too.
:chuckle:
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How would they enforce it if there is a shutdown?
:yeah: :dunno:
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And the EPA is going to lock up all the air and water, too.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
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F it, shut it down. I agree w the republicans, no blank check for o bummer. They don't even know how much that obummer care is gonna cost. I like how they changed the name to affordable health care! What a crock a chit.
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How would they enforce it if there is a shutdown?
Don't know, but didn't want to find out the hard way when the signs said closed to all access.
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LE and Life Safety (fire, med etc) are still required to work.
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F it, shut it down. I agree w the republicans, no blank check for o bummer. They don't even know how much that obummer care is gonna cost. I like how they changed the name to affordable health care! What a crock a chit.
Back in the 90's the republicans ended up losing the war while bill got a kiss on the little head since he had Monica all alone in the white house during that shutdown and then won reelection. Of coarse we didn't find out about Monica until after the elections but he is still a very popular former president. Oh well.
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F it, shut it down. I agree w the republicans, no blank check for o bummer. They don't even know how much that obummer care is gonna cost. I like how they changed the name to affordable health care! What a crock a chit.
They close it down I will be highly PO'd. There are a lot of hard working people that work for the government including hunters like us all. What should happen is those idiots in DC shouldn't get a freaking pay check just like all the fed employees. Let them feel the pain. Yes fire and LE will still have to work they just won't be paid until the start the government back up. Same thing with the military personnel.
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They will not shut her down just political sparring over the Obummer care train wreck!
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better yet ...JUST GET RID OF ALL OF IT ...... :yike: :dunno: ;)
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I don't think it will shut down. Last time the Rs paid for it but recovered, I think they can get away with the sequester...Obama gets the credit for that, but a shut down will be all over the Rs. Not what they need going into 2014...basically be giving 2014 and all others to the Ds.
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the government is just like a soap opera. nothing but drama
they make a big fuss, solve the problem and then slap each other on the back for being the good guys and figuring it out. bunch of schmucks
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So if our public land is shut down I guess I can stop paying my taxes that contribute to them right?!
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And the EPA is going to lock up all the air and water, too.
Funny but hard to joke about because the sad truth is there is a possibility the public hunter could temporarily lose out on 10's of thousands of acres for hunting. There could be some tears from kids when their dad's say we can't hunt because of the situation with the Feds.
For hunters that have the funds for huge leases or club hunting should not be affected. But for people packed and ready to hunt public, might want to do some homework. State land should be open but could even be more over hunted.
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the feds can go pack sand for all i care...ill go hunt wether they tell me i can or not!
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F it, shut it down. I agree w the republicans, no blank check for o bummer. They don't even know how much that obummer care is gonna cost. I like how they changed the name to affordable health care! What a crock a chit.
Back in the 90's the republicans ended up losing the war while bill got a kiss on the little head since he had Monica all alone in the white house during that shutdown and then won reelection. Of coarse we didn't find out about Monica until after the elections but he is still a very popular former president. Oh well.
You may be interested in this.....
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/tom-delay-take-outrage-to-democrats/ (http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/tom-delay-take-outrage-to-democrats/)
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the feds can go pack sand for all i care...ill go hunt wether they tell me i can or not!
:yeah: :yeah:
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I'm tired of politicians playing with my paychecks instead of earning theirs by actually doing the job they were elected for. When I was in Iraq in 2011 they stopped paying us for almost a month. Earlier this year in Afghanistan that almost happened again. Such *censored* that our country is reduced to such a mess that budgets can't even be passed anymore.
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Most GOV agencies are under a continuing resolution through 2014.
DFAS will continue to process paychecks so employees will not lose money.
However, VBA will shut down so there is a chance that disabled veterans will not get their benefit checks on time.
Placing this burden on the backs of hard-working employees and injured veterans is BS!
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the feds can go pack sand for all i care...ill go hunt wether they tell me i can or not!
You misunderstood, the season will be open, there is just is a possibility of areas well known to the public hunter that might not be open for access. Would not be good to be caught poaching on closed federal lands with a firearm.
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Most GOV agencies are under a continuing resolution through 2014.
DFAS will continue to process paychecks so employees will not lose money.
However, VBA will shut down so there is a chance that disabled veterans will not get their benefit checks on time.
Placing this burden on the backs of hard-working employees and injured veterans is BS!
Are you talking fed agencies because the CR was only the the end of the fiscal year which is September 30. Also I believe NFC in New Orleans process almost all payroll checks for government employees. DFAS is for DOD personell. NFC will shutdown too if there is a shutdown. Delaying payroll to those excepted employees that will have to work during the shutdown. The disabled veterans sucks too. I will end up not getting 2 paychecks if they shutdown.
Just saw that the Senate voted 100-0 to pass a stopgap bill that funds the government till November 15. Now back to the house because they took out the defunded of Obama care.
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Most GOV agencies are under a continuing resolution through 2014.
DFAS will continue to process paychecks so employees will not lose money.
However, VBA will shut down so there is a chance that disabled veterans will not get their benefit checks on time.
Placing this burden on the backs of hard-working employees and injured veterans is BS!
Are you talking fed agencies because the CR was only the the end of the fiscal year which is September 30. Also I believe NFC in New Orleans process almost all payroll checks for government employees. DFAS is for DOD personell. NFC will shutdown too if there is a shutdown. Delaying payroll to those excepted employees that will have to work during the shutdown. The disabled veterans sucks too. I will end up not getting 2 paychecks if they shutdown.
Just saw that the Senate voted 100-0 to pass a stopgap bill that funds the government till November 15. Now back to the house because they took out the defunded of Obama care.
I am a Fed Gov employee and DFAS processes our paychecks. Might not be the same across the board.
We received a detailed explanation of the possible shutdown and the information I gave is correct, at least for my little corner of the world.
You will get your benefit checks, just not on time.
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What i want to know is WHY do some of you think the Republicans problem is the GOV is shut down? My understanding is that EVERYTHING would be funded by the Republicans EXCEPT Obama care... So the debate shouldn't be on all gov funding just Obama care. Just another example of people lying to us so will accept something we don't really want. :twocents:
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What i want to know is WHY do some of you think the Republicans problem is the GOV is shut down? My understanding is that EVERYTHING would be funded by the Republicans EXCEPT Obama care... So the debate shouldn't be on all gov funding just Obama care. Just another example of people lying to us so will accept something we don't really want. :twocents:
The mechanism to fund the gov is by continuing resolution, because they can't seem to pass a budget. The R's chose this opportunity to take a stand and defund Ocare with the CR under discussion. O has vowed to veto if Ocare is defunded. And the D's won't let it pass the senate. As a result, if a CR is not agreed upon and signed by O, the gov will not be funded.
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The government will shut down. The Republicans will be blamed.
The government will reopen. The Democrats will get the credit.
ObamaCare will be implemented. Everyone will suffer.
The Mariners will lose. Again and again.
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What i want to know is WHY do some of you think the Republicans problem is the GOV is shut down? My understanding is that EVERYTHING would be funded by the Republicans EXCEPT Obama care... So the debate shouldn't be on all gov funding just Obama care. Just another example of people lying to us so will accept something we don't really want. :twocents:
The mechanism to fund the gov is by continuing resolution, because they can't seem to pass a budget. The R's chose this opportunity to take a stand and defund Ocare with the CR under discussion. O has vowed to veto if Ocare is defunded. And the D's won't let it pass the senate. As a result, if a CR is not agreed upon and signed by O, the gov will not be funded.
Except those agencies that are funded through an advanced appropriation. We are funded through 2014.
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What i want to know is WHY do some of you think the Republicans problem is the GOV is shut down?
The perception or the reality? The news media is generating the perception--that being Sen Cruz and a few of his buddies (all happen to be R) are willing to shut down the entire gov with no chance of compromise in their hopes to invalidate Obamacare. Almost all coverage of the issue includes one with the other. Even if not the whole story, the two getting linked enough will be what stands out in peoples' minds later on.
I really wouldn't put it past the FS to dig tank traps on their roads or hang big chains across with a sign saying 'Forest Closed'. The shutdown that happened 20 years ago the LEOs were around, but all the staff at the ranger stations were on 'vacation'.
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This is a good example of why it is wise to have three to six months living expenses saved up IN CASH. Even if you are a tenured federal employee with so called job security.
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I don't think it will happen, but somewhere down the road sooner rather than later the printing presses will have to slow down. Then you will see things get real interesting in this country. It has become very apparent that the government does not have the will to slow down it's out of control spending, which will be their undoing.
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I don't think it will happen, but somewhere down the road sooner rather than later the printing presses will have to slow down. Then you will see things get real interesting in this country. It has become very apparent that the government does not have the will to slow down it's out of control spending, which will be their undoing.
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This is a good example of why it is wise to have three to six months living expenses saved up IN CASH. Even if you are a tenured federal employee with so called job security.
This a good idea no matter where you work.
You never know.
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The government will shut down. The Republicans will be blamed.
The government will reopen. The Democrats will get the credit.
ObamaCare will be implemented. Everyone will suffer.
The Mariners will lose. Again and again.
4 sad facts of life
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We are living in a time when basic logic seems to be turned upon its head.
This is a good example of why it is wise to have three to six months living expenses saved up IN CASH. Even if you are a tenured federal employee with so called job security.
In time of turmoil being as debt free as possible is the ONLY way to survive and prosper.
What i want to know is WHY do some of you think the Republicans problem is the GOV is shut down?
The perception or the reality? The news media is generating the perception--that being Sen Cruz and a few of his buddies (all happen to be R) are willing to shut down the entire gov with no chance of compromise in their hopes to invalidate Obamacare. Almost all coverage of the issue includes one with the other. Even if not the whole story, the two getting linked enough will be what stands out in peoples' minds later on.
I really wouldn't put it past the FS to dig tank traps on their roads or hang big chains across with a sign saying 'Forest Closed'. The shutdown that happened 20 years ago the LEOs were around, but all the staff at the ranger stations were on 'vacation'.
I am saddened that many people do not seem to realize this is NOT a R Vs D argument. It is a basic law of economics. Just like the law of gravity it can only be altered under temporary circumstances and has a COST. What bothers me the most is in a state, Here in WA, that was once a blue collar democratic common sense state. It has been Hijacked by may democrats, and even republicans that are only doing what is politically expedient.
Do any of you realize how many laws those in DC are exempt from? Let me give you one example. If you are guilty of sexual harassment you can lose EVERYTHING you own. If you KNOW about sexual harassment as a boss, your company can lose massive $$$ and you can personally be held responsible. It is the only "infraction" that pierces the corporate protection veil. Now i'm not talking about calling some woman "honey" Or looking longingly at a attractive woman. I'm talking about groping, or requesting sexual favors. Did you know our congressmen are EXEMPT from this law?
The Gaps are widening between the "ruling class" and everyone else, and until we hold THEM to the same standard we are held to then they should have no authority over us and should be sent packing because they deem themselves special. REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
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Nailed that one T :yeah: :tup: :tup:
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They can eliminate 2/3 of all gubmint programs and agencies and we would never notice. We NEED to eliminate 2/3 of all gubmint agencies and programs! The private sector job market would explode and the economy would grow by leaps and bounds.
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I am saddened that many people do not seem to realize this is NOT a R Vs D argument. It is a basic law of economics. Just like the law of gravity it can only be altered under temporary circumstances and has a COST. What bothers me the most is in a state, Here in WA, that was once a blue collar democratic common sense state. It has been Hijacked by may democrats, and even republicans that are only doing what is politically expedient.
Do any of you realize how many laws those in DC are exempt from? Let me give you one example. If you are guilty of sexual harassment you can lose EVERYTHING you own. If you KNOW about sexual harassment as a boss, your company can lose massive $$$ and you can personally be held responsible. It is the only "infraction" that pierces the corporate protection veil. Now i'm not talking about calling some woman "honey" Or looking longingly at a attractive woman. I'm talking about groping, or requesting sexual favors. Did you know our congressmen are EXEMPT from this law?
The Gaps are widening between the "ruling class" and everyone else, and until we hold THEM to the same standard we are held to then they should have no authority over us and should be sent packing because they deem themselves special. REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
Hammer, meet the head of the nail :yeah:
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This just came through my email:
You're receiving this message because you expressed an interest in hunting on one or more of our refuges this year. We are sending this message in an effort to avoid you wasting a trip, only to be disappointed and angry that your hunting spot is closed.
Due to the federal government shutdown, all access to the refuges is closed, which closes hunting and all other activities on the refuges. This is includes:
Cold Springs National Wildlife Refuge
Columbia National Wildlife Refuge
Conboy Lake National Wildlife Refuge
Hanford Reach National Monument
McKay Creek National Wildlife Refuge
McNary National Wildlife Refuge
Toppenish National Wildlife Refuge
Umatilla National Wildlife Refuge
We are sending you this message as a worst-case scenario. Hopefully, the federal government shutdown will be over before your planned hunting trip. We are doing our best to serve the public leading into this shutdown, and we hope this message will save you from a wasting time and money.
WATERFOWL AND UPLAND GAME BIRD LOTTERY WINNERS, PLEASE NOTE THIS: If we receive funding on the Friday before a hunting weekend, we will be open for hunting on the next day, Saturday (e.g., funding on October 11, we will open on the 12th). However, if we receive funding on the Saturday, we will not be able to open until the following week (e.g., funding on October 12, we will open on the 16th). We would very much like to open that Sunday, but we have no way to get everything in place to open with Saturday funding. And please use common sense; if we get funding at 11:00 p.m. on the 11th of October, obviously, there is no way to open on the 12th. We will try to get a message on the Hunter Hotlines about opening, 509-546-8325 (546-TEAL) and 541-922-4868 (922-HUNT).
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I'm going to be out in the Conboy refuge friday checking it out. The gov dont like it, they can lump it.
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You're receiving this message because you expressed an interest in hunting on one or more of our refuges this year. We are sending this message in an effort to avoid you wasting a trip, only to be disappointed and angry that your hunting spot is closed.
Due to the federal government shutdown, all access to the refuges is closed, which closes hunting and all other activities on the refuges. This is includes:
Cold Springs National Wildlife Refuge
Columbia National Wildlife Refuge
Conboy Lake National Wildlife Refuge
Hanford Reach National Monument
McKay Creek National Wildlife Refuge
McNary National Wildlife Refuge
Toppenish National Wildlife Refuge
Umatilla National Wildlife Refuge
We are sending you this message as a worst-case scenario. Hopefully, the federal government shutdown will be over before your planned hunting trip. We are doing our best to serve the public leading into this shutdown, and we hope this message will save you from a wasting time and money.
WATERFOWL AND UPLAND GAME BIRD LOTTERY WINNERS, PLEASE NOTE THIS: If we receive funding on the Friday before a hunting weekend, we will be open for hunting on the next day, Saturday (e.g., funding on October 11, we will open on the 12th). However, if we receive funding on the Saturday, we will not be able to open until the following week (e.g., funding on October 12, we will open on the 16th). We would very much like to open that Sunday, but we have no way to get everything in place to open with Saturday funding. And please use common sense; if we get funding at 11:00 p.m. on the 11th of October, obviously, there is no way to open on the 12th. We will try to get a message on the Hunter Hotlines about opening, 509-546-8325 (546-TEAL) and 541-922-4868 (922-HUNT).
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To all you personally affected, my condolences.
http://www.dol.gov/sequestration/ui-federalemployees.htm (http://www.dol.gov/sequestration/ui-federalemployees.htm)
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What people are missing and should be asking. What in the world is the Federal government doing owning all this land and when did it get this big and out of control?
Oh well, let the games play out. We'll get nothing and the yellow Republicans will cave.
How do you get people to fight for freedom when they are like rats born in a cage... they don't even know they are no longer free.
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What I don't understand is why they have to shutdown access to the refuges? It's not like we need federal employees there to allow people to enter........... :dunno:
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To all you personally affected, my condolences.
http://www.dol.gov/sequestration/ui-federalemployees.htm (http://www.dol.gov/sequestration/ui-federalemployees.htm)
Great. Only people not working are "non-essential" government workers.
I was thinking tax payers would get a little break, but guess that is a pipe dream. Sign them up for taxpayer funded unemployment. 99 weeks still going on ?
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What I don't understand is why they have to shutdown access to the refuges? It's not like we need federal employees there to allow people to enter........... :dunno:
They do it the same reason they wanted to last year. They are wanting people to feel as much pain as possible so people will look at government in such a way as to think they can't live without it. The more pain people feel, the more they think they can get you to look at government as the solution. Remember, they hate the private sector and love government controlling everything. It all boils down to that when all is said and done. You'll never hear a Democrat arguing for less government control "unless they are attacking Christians".
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Remember, they hate the private sector and love government controlling everything
I think you've been drinking a little too much Limbaugh Kool-Aid. I've never met anyone who feels this way since the Soviet Union collapsed.
They can eliminate 2/3 of all gubmint programs and agencies and we would never notice. We NEED to eliminate 2/3 of all gubmint agencies and programs!
Which ones? Let's see the list.
This is a ridiculous statement, flung out carelessly from a position of vague paranoia with regards to the government and absent any evidence of careful consideration about what the government programs actually provide.
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The government will shut down. The Republicans will be blamed.
The government will reopen. The Democrats will get the credit.
ObamaCare will be implemented. Everyone will suffer.
The Mariners will lose. Again and again.
4 sad facts of life
Bingo >:(
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To all you personally affected, my condolences.
http://www.dol.gov/sequestration/ui-federalemployees.htm (http://www.dol.gov/sequestration/ui-federalemployees.htm)
Great. Only people not working are "non-essential" government workers.
I was thinking tax payers would get a little break, but guess that is a pipe dream. Sign them up for taxpayer funded unemployment. 99 weeks still going on ?
apparently non essential means at least some coast guard personnel. ive spent most of my summer out at sea, and forgot one thing on my application for my merchant mariner officers license. my deadline is oct 8th before it goes in the round file. i submitted my final piece of paperwork via fax on friday, and calling them today got somebody on the line saying it has not been reviewed yet, and it cant right now because of the shut down. coast guard personnel getting shut down doesnt seem right to me at all.
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Remember, they hate the private sector and love government controlling everything
I think you've been drinking a little too much Limbaugh Kool-Aid. I've never met anyone who feels this way since the Soviet Union collapsed.
Oh, is that right. Well then, let's get back to reality. If the Democrats love the private sector so much, I'm sure you'll find me "one" time "any" Democrat wrote any bill that limited the size and reach of the Federal government? This should be easy for you non-koolaid drinkers. Ready? Go....
I'll be here holding my breath. You wont be able to do it of course, but you will still live in your Kool-Aid drink world.
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What people are missing and should be asking. What in the world is the Federal government doing owning all this land and when did it get this big and out of control?
Oh well, let the games play out. We'll get nothing and the yellow Republicans will cave.
How do you get people to fight for freedom when they are like rats born in a cage... they don't even know they are no longer free.
You can't get people to fight for freedom because of the evidence in these threads.
We all want to fight each other for no legitimate reason other than jealousy over employment.
People only care about what affects them directly and to hell with everyone else.
If people would stand behind their big mouths and band together we could change things.
Running in all directions with torches and pitchforks will accomlpish nothing and that is what everyone is doing.
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Might I direct the torch and pitchfork people in this direction?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.123rf.com%2F400wm%2F400%2F400%2Fdirkercken%2Fdirkercken1103%2Fdirkercken110300087%2F9006019-washing-ton-d-c-capital-white-house-road-sign-arrow-pointing-towards-one-of-the-united-states-of-ame.jpg&hash=1574e6da140590b3f847b02513330618c6f55c95)
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As a side note, WalMart, the biggest retailer in the nation is NOT ordering extra merchandise in anticipation of the Christmas season. Like the guy in Jurassic Park said: "Hang on to Your Butts!"
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As a side note, WalMart, the biggest retailer in the nation is NOT ordering extra merchandise in anticipation of the Christmas season. Like the guy in Jurassic Park said: "Hang on to Your Butts!"
close but no cigar
Hold Onto Your Butts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0YWRXJsMyM#ws)
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Might I direct the torch and pitchfork people in this direction?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.123rf.com%2F400wm%2F400%2F400%2Fdirkercken%2Fdirkercken1103%2Fdirkercken110300087%2F9006019-washing-ton-d-c-capital-white-house-road-sign-arrow-pointing-towards-one-of-the-united-states-of-ame.jpg&hash=1574e6da140590b3f847b02513330618c6f55c95)
:tup: You got it!
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Excerpt from an Army Corps of Engineers Walla Walla District press release
Visitor Centers, campgrounds, boat launches and day-use facilities will be unsupported or closed at all Corps locks and dams. Affected recreation areas would not return to normal until after the shutdown is lifted. The following notice will be posted at closed facilities:
“Effective Tuesday, October 1, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has closed all Corps-operated
campgrounds and day-use parks nationwide as a result of the federal government shutdown. Visitors
currently camping at Corps campgrounds will be required to vacate by 8 p.m. local on Wednesday,
October 2, and no new visitors or reservations will be accepted until after the federal government
shutdown ends. We regret the impacts of these required actions on the recreating public, and will make
every attempt to inform the public when these facilities reopen. Paid reservations will be fully refunded
at either the customer's request or automatically after the reservation departure date during the closure
period. To request a refund please contact the reservation customer service at 1-888-448-1474 (TDD 1-877-833-6777).”
However, Corps parks leased to partner agencies and concessionaires will remain open, but cannot be supported by the Corps while the shutdown is in place.
· Vessel navigation would continue to remain available through the Walla Walla District’s navigation locks.
· Hydropower operations will continue, as will flood-damage reduction and other emergency response activities. Security will remain in place at all Corps dams.
· Public vehicle crossings over Lower Granite, Little Goose and Lower Monumental dams are currently still being allowed. Travelers are encouraged to call 1-888-DAM-INFO (1-888-326-4636) for the most up-to-date dam-crossing schedules and information.
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What people are missing and should be asking. What in the world is the Federal government doing owning all this land and when did it get this big and out of control?
Oh well, let the games play out. We'll get nothing and the yellow Republicans will cave.
How do you get people to fight for freedom when they are like rats born in a cage... they don't even know they are no longer free.
You can't get people to fight for freedom because of the evidence in these threads.
We all want to fight each other for no legitimate reason other than jealousy over employment.
People only care about what affects them directly and to hell with everyone else.
If people would stand behind their big mouths and band together we could change things.
Running in all directions with torches and pitchforks will accomlpish nothing and that is what everyone is doing.
Hells yeah. I got yer back Scout.
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What people are missing and should be asking. What in the world is the Federal government doing owning all this land and when did it get this big and out of control?
Oh well, let the games play out. We'll get nothing and the yellow Republicans will cave.
How do you get people to fight for freedom when they are like rats born in a cage... they don't even know they are no longer free.
You can't get people to fight for freedom because of the evidence in these threads.
We all want to fight each other for no legitimate reason other than jealousy over employment.
People only care about what affects them directly and to hell with everyone else.
If people would stand behind their big mouths and band together we could change things.
Running in all directions with torches and pitchforks will accomplish nothing and that is what everyone is doing.
Hells yeah. I got yer back Scout.
:tup: Glad to see someone gets it!
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I'm going to be out in the Conboy refuge friday checking it out. The gov dont like it, they can lump it.
That land belongs to WE THE PEOPLE. You have every right to go there.
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Ok so I did some research and it looks like any maintained(gated) areas will be closed but any I maintained areas will still be open for access.
Here is my question. Is lake Rapjohn and Kapowsin both gated? I know Rapjohn is. But not sure about Kapowsin. Time to find some private land to duck hunt!
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Was working on the road by the millet ponds by wallula and the Feds were kicking fisherman out. I asked them how they could close public land and they said because it's ran by the government. They both thought the whole thing was bs and they told me they were working for free today.
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What people are missing and should be asking. What in the world is the Federal government doing owning all this land and when did it get this big and out of control?
Really? You're asking this question? Without it the lands would be either locked up under private ownership or owned by state government. What would our country be without our National Parks or Historic Monuments? Have you ever been to Yosemite, Yellowstone, or the Vietnam Memorial Wall? On that note have you ever driven on an interstate highway - they're all built by our Government for our benefit and protection.
Being an avid outdoorsman and coming from a poor blue collar family - I cherish public lands. I see folks out there who easily have more money wrapped up in thier motor homes and boats than I do in my house that im buying. Ironic that the rich enjoy public lands too. Good thing thier not locked up under private ownership. Public lands provide therapuetic medicine to everyone. Private sector can't and wont do that.
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Looks like opening of Ridgefield will be delayed, even if the shutdown ends Thursday or Friday.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/oct/08/duck-hunting-season-be-delayed-ridgefield-refuge/#.UlS_UTK9KSM (http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/oct/08/duck-hunting-season-be-delayed-ridgefield-refuge/#.UlS_UTK9KSM)