Post by: clearviewguy on October 01, 2013, 09:50:38 AM
I just wanted to see if anybody on here put up 2 Primos truth cams up in 117 this weekend?
I was dumping more apples out and somebody put them up on my bait pile.
If it is a member I will let you get them back, if not I'm not sure what the proper thing to do would be.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Post by: seth30 on October 01, 2013, 09:56:15 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on October 01, 2013, 09:57:13 AM
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Post by: deaner on October 01, 2013, 09:57:35 AM
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2013, 09:58:19 AM
I would also try and put up a cam to capture them coming to the site and possibly there vehicle?
Post by: h20hunter on October 01, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Post by: deaner on October 01, 2013, 10:01:56 AM
Post by: KFhunter on October 01, 2013, 10:04:08 AM
I would leave a note saying they are on private property and their cameras could be retieved at so and so phone number. Then, you will have a chance for them to do the right thing, apologize for being on your property, and get their stuff back after a reminder about knowing where you are allowed.
:yeah:
It would depend on how honest of a mistake this was. Is the property adjoining public land and not marked? easy mistake to make...
fenced and posted? that's a bit different
Post by: Smossy on October 01, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
Good morning all.If they are on your property, They're yours. :tup: Enjoy them. Ill maybe buy one off you as I'm in serious need of one.
I just wanted to see if anybody on here put up 2 Primos truth cams up in 117 this weekend?
I was dumping more apples out and somebody put them up on my bait pile.
If it is a member I will let you get them back, if not I'm not sure what the proper thing to do would be.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Post by: h20hunter on October 01, 2013, 10:06:02 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 01, 2013, 10:07:41 AM
Don't leave a phone number, unless you are already well-known as the landowner or lessee. Leave a note with a disposable anonymous email address, telling them to make arrangements to meet you at the local sheriff's office for collection of the cameras.
Then, there is this:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=63.21&full=true (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=63.21&full=true)
Post by: Button Nubbs on October 01, 2013, 10:08:07 AM
A side note..............who puts cameras on an existing pile of apples? Do you think they just fell from the sky?Right?! :dunno: *censored*.
Post by: deaner on October 01, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
A side note..............who puts cameras on an existing pile of apples? Do you think they just fell from the sky?
exactly. they knew they were up to no good. even if they thought it was public, which isnt an excuse, they still knew they were setting their cams up at somebody elses spot.
Post by: Buckmark on October 01, 2013, 10:09:44 AM
A side note..............who puts cameras on an existing pile of apples? Do you think they just fell from the sky?Techncally they fell from the tree due to the gravataional pull of the earth onto there mass and then were moved to the current location and deposited in said place most likely falling from the bucket or bag they were transported in.
And to a small gnat or ant it would of seemed they were infact falling from the sky.... :chuckle:
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Post by: Smossy on October 01, 2013, 10:09:57 AM
If you want to do the person a solid and have a teachable moment, leave them a note.Better yet, Leave your parcel # for that piece of land, If hey want to find where they're camera's went, They'll have to do some research :chuckle:
Don't leave a phone number, unless you are already well-known as the landowner or lessee. Leave a note with a disposable anonymous email address, telling them to make arrangements to meet you at the local sheriff's office for collection of the cameras.
Then, there is this:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=63.21&full=true (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=63.21&full=true)
Post by: clearviewguy on October 01, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Thanks for advice
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2013, 10:11:57 AM
A side note..............who puts cameras on an existing pile of apples? Do you think they just fell from the sky?
:yeah:
Very strange. ???
Post by: deaner on October 01, 2013, 10:12:18 AM
Post by: whacker1 on October 01, 2013, 10:12:35 AM
Post by: Smossy on October 01, 2013, 10:13:16 AM
My property is clearly posted. The closest public land is 4 miles away. It is also fenced with 3 sstrand wire. I can see where they came in on one of the deer trails. I set up one of my cameras watching them. Im going back up there tomorrow and will pull them and see of theres any pics of them.You may even be lucky enough to have a few pictures of the owners even on there. I know quite a few people who atleast take one shot of themselves when turning it on to make sure its working.
Thanks for advice
Post by: Smossy on October 01, 2013, 10:13:34 AM
did you look at the sd cards in them? surprised you dont have pics of them on their own camsExactly.
Post by: clearviewguy on October 01, 2013, 10:15:09 AM
Post by: clearviewguy on October 01, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
did you look at the sd cards in them? surprised you dont have pics of them on their own cams
I didnt have time to check them. I was supposed to be grocery shopping! :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on October 01, 2013, 10:17:27 AM
I wanted to this up here before I did anything. If in fact you did put them up, pm me and we will takecare of it. I dont want to embarrass a member on here. Now if its not a member..... game onThere's a pretty good chance It could be a HW member, Id still remove them and not let them have the chance to just sneak in and take them back.
Take them down, hold-on to them. If no PMS are received from a potential owner, You have a few new cams. If you DO receive a PM. Ask them why they were on your property, Why they were putting camera's up over an already established bait pile, and to apologize.
Post by: deaner on October 01, 2013, 10:27:14 AM
did you look at the sd cards in them? surprised you dont have pics of them on their own cams
I didnt have time to check them. I was supposed to be grocery shopping! :chuckle:
well youre not shopping now. lets play shame the trespassers! pull those cards sir!
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2013, 10:32:33 AM
There's a pretty good chance It could be a HW member
I sure hope not. Not only is this person a trespasser, but also a moron for putting cameras on an already existing bait pile.
I'd say he deserves to lose those cameras.
Post by: h20hunter on October 01, 2013, 10:33:29 AM
Oh, and post the pics. Private propety and all.
Post by: clearviewguy on October 01, 2013, 10:53:04 AM
Im going to run up tomorrow and pull them down and then post pics of them if there are any.
I will also take a pic from the road where they came in.
Thanks again for the input
Post by: h20hunter on October 01, 2013, 10:59:04 AM
Currently with all you have posted.............to lenient.
Let us know how it goes.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 01, 2013, 12:08:04 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2013, 12:20:07 PM
No offense intended. Could it have been a senior moment? Could you have put them there and forgotten? Just joking, of course.
If so, he should have pictures of himself. Now wouldn't that be quite the surprise, take the cams down, and check the sd cards, only to find that the trespasser was you, setting up cams on your pile of apples. :o
Might not want to call law enforcement until you verify that the culprit wasn't you. :chuckle:
Gee, this scenario really sounds like something I would do.
Post by: jackmaster on October 01, 2013, 12:20:39 PM
A side note..............who puts cameras on an existing pile of apples? Do you think they just fell from the sky?:chuckle: :chuckle: that is the question of the day....love it :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 01, 2013, 12:41:52 PM
Post by: lagnar on October 01, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 01, 2013, 01:32:41 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 01, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
I wanted to this up here before I did anything. If in fact you did put them up, pm me and we will takecare of it. I dont want to embarrass a member on here. Now if its not a member..... game on
You sound like one helluva stand up guy. A stand up guy like you deserves two Primos Truth cams. You could leave a note to call you to get them back and then put the telephone number of the local gamie on it. You could do other things, like take the SD card out of one and get your picture taken by the other wiping the first on your butt. Repeat with the second. They'll find out when they take out the card and look at the pictures.
What other fun ideas are there out there? Trespassing sucks, especially when it's over an existing pile of apples.
Post by: h20hunter on October 01, 2013, 01:44:23 PM
Since you already have a cam out to catch them coming and going get their pics, photo shop them up with some banners like "trespasser", save the pics back on the cards, put them back in and let them come check their cams......to be a fly on the wall when they see their own pics coming and going from a different cam and the note "trespassers beware, cops already called" across their own pic......
Post by: BsB on October 01, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
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Post by: clearviewguy on October 01, 2013, 02:55:26 PM
No they dont say WDFW on them. Its funny though, they have asked me if they can put cameras up at the top of my property to look for woodland caribou. Our family has had this land for 40+ years and never have we seen them. Grizzly bears, yes but not caribou.
Im going to check the cards tomorrow and see whats there.
Like I said. I didnt want to embarrass somebody but now I think the world qill know who they are.
Im also going to put up a serious hotwire box by the road. They dont bother the deer but the guys will remember it for awhile, especially that the ground is so wet right no.
Post by: h20hunter on October 01, 2013, 02:59:54 PM
Happy hunting!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 01, 2013, 03:05:59 PM
Post by: Mandownitis on October 03, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
Post by: Bmcox86 on October 03, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
Post by: JJB11B on October 03, 2013, 06:47:09 PM
I would leave a note saying they are on private property and their cameras could be retieved at so and so phone number. Then, you will have a chance for them to do the right thing, apologize for being on your property, and get their stuff back after a reminder about knowing where you are allowed.as a landowner and a hunter I could understand that frustration that comes with someone trespassing. But I believe this solution to the problem also shows the goodside of sportsman. Whatever you do is your choice hope it has a good ending for you sir
Post by: johnsonmj81 on October 04, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 04, 2013, 10:01:47 AM
Unfortunatelly, the actual correct thing to do is call fish and wildlife to remove the cameras. why, because if the trespasser shows up with law enforcement at your house with serial numbers or some other distinguishable proof that they are his cameras then you could get a larceny ticket while he is getting his trespassing ticket. Since Im sure he knew he was on your property I imagine he has an idea where to find his illegally placed camera when it comes up missing. Sucks, but we law abiding folks have to do the right thing even if it doesnt feel like we are getting even.
So, he'd risk a trespass violation to get his camera's back? I don't think so. People who break the law don't frequently use it.
Post by: scout/sniper on October 04, 2013, 10:22:01 AM
Here you go...........:yeah: Best answer yet!
Since you already have a cam out to catch them coming and going get their pics, photo shop them up with some banners like "trespasser", save the pics back on the cards, put them back in and let them come check their cams......to be a fly on the wall when they see their own pics coming and going from a different cam and the note "trespassers beware, cops already called" across their own pic......
Post by: lover_of_all_racks on October 04, 2013, 10:54:26 AM
Post by: Smossy on October 04, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
Unfortunatelly, the actual correct thing to do is call fish and wildlife to remove the cameras. why, because if the trespasser shows up with law enforcement at your house with serial numbers or some other distinguishable proof that they are his cameras then you could get a larceny ticket while he is getting his trespassing ticket. Since Im sure he knew he was on your property I imagine he has an idea where to find his illegally placed camera when it comes up missing. Sucks, but we law abiding folks have to do the right thing even if it doesnt feel like we are getting even.Wrong.
Post by: Southpole on October 04, 2013, 01:02:42 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 04, 2013, 01:16:41 PM
tag... gotta see where this goes.
Me too, now. ;)
Post by: jrebel on October 04, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: 6haase6 on October 04, 2013, 02:26:45 PM
Post by: Becky on October 04, 2013, 02:30:25 PM
Post by: clearviewguy on October 04, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
Thanks all
Post by: Thefisherman83 on October 04, 2013, 02:33:23 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 04, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 04, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
Post by: lover_of_all_racks on October 04, 2013, 02:47:24 PM
Something like the guess the location of the pic thread... The weight of a previous kill.. how many points is the biggest buck you have shot... How many deer you've shot in your life.. The weight of you :chuckle:
A fun game like that, who ever answers correct, first, wins the camera and the winner pays for shipping to their house? :dunno:
IDK.. could get fun and since you're planning on getting rid of one, might as well be given to a hunt wa member.
Post by: h20hunter on October 04, 2013, 02:52:37 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 04, 2013, 02:59:21 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 04, 2013, 02:59:42 PM
Thanks for all the advice. Im actually driving up to my property right now. I will grab the camers and bring them home. I had my buddy check and make sure they were still there this morning and they are. Pics will follow as soon as I get home. Im thinking if I end up keeping the cameras I will donate one to the youth hunt winner this year. Any thoughts?
Thanks all
Cool idea! :tup:
Post by: jackmaster on October 04, 2013, 03:04:27 PM
Post by: clearviewguy on October 04, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
So what are you going to do when you find out that a couple of smoking hot little coeds have had there camera's up on your property ? :chuckle:
Lol. :tup: might have to offer my " bait" for them to use.. under my strict supervision of course.
They still will lose there cameras though.
Almost there. Gonna lose service so I will update in a bit.
Thanks again
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on October 04, 2013, 04:01:41 PM
Post by: Jolten on October 04, 2013, 05:25:53 PM
Post by: JJB11B on October 04, 2013, 05:26:36 PM
Post by: johnsonmj81 on October 04, 2013, 11:33:24 PM
@ pianoman- I agree that someone who is trespassing is probably not gonna come back around.. but two wrongs don't make it right.
I do think you deserve to keep a camera that is left on your property but that's not the law. So, I was just giving sound advice not trying to go against the advice of "teaching them a lesson".
Post by: MacAttack on October 04, 2013, 11:38:56 PM
Post by: huntergreg on October 04, 2013, 11:43:14 PM
Post by: 300rum on October 05, 2013, 06:31:55 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 05, 2013, 06:47:07 AM
What's funny is that someone is going to come on here in the next couple weeks and complain that someone "stole" their cameras. They will then go into a long diatribe about thieves and then talk about how they are going to wire up a camera to a shotgun shell or fix one to an exploding die pack, or setting up a camera on a camera to catch these "crooks". :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: SevenD on October 05, 2013, 06:47:33 AM
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Post by: hyde35 on October 05, 2013, 07:24:12 AM
Post by: wildweeds on October 05, 2013, 07:25:51 AM
Post by: Smossy on October 05, 2013, 07:34:35 AM
@ Smossy- you simple put "wrong" without an explanation? If you take someone else's property, it larceny. So to try and call me out for actual sound advice does the author of this post no help at all, so please explain how I was wrong or don't blast me for no reason? thanksTo sum it up.
@ pianoman- I agree that someone who is trespassing is probably not gonna come back around.. but two wrongs don't make it right.
I do think you deserve to keep a camera that is left on your property but that's not the law. So, I was just giving sound advice not trying to go against the advice of "teaching them a lesson".
Larceny is what most people think of as common theft: it is the taking of someone else's property without the use of force from a location other than inside their home or land.
That's kinda like saying if someone throw's a bunch of garbage on your land that belongs to person A (the dumper) and person B (the land owner) cannot remove it without committing a crime. That's not right. Anything left on PUBLIC property, is then considered as public property, UNLESS its somehow registered to the point of a specific owner (Which 9 out of 10 times a trail cam or tree stand is not) When it comes to private property, Especially private "posted" property, that's a whole other can of worms.
Who know's I could be wrong though.
Leave stuff like that on my land, Its no longer yours. Bring the police to my doorstep and give me registration numbers for said property and we can talk.
Another option, Remove the camera's. Leave a note on the tree stating if they want to pick up they're camera's they can find them at the local sheriff's department along with they're trespassing fee's. :dunno:
Post by: Mudman on October 05, 2013, 07:52:01 AM
Post by: bmccalister on October 05, 2013, 08:39:10 AM
@ Smossy- you simple put "wrong" without an explanation? If you take someone else's property, it larceny. So to try and call me out for actual sound advice does the author of this post no help at all, so please explain how I was wrong or don't blast me for no reason? thanks
@ pianoman- I agree that someone who is trespassing is probably not gonna come back around.. but two wrongs don't make it right.
I do think you deserve to keep a camera that is left on your property but that's not the law. So, I was just giving sound advice not trying to go against the advice of "teaching them a lesson".
My hunting buddy and I had a similar situation involving a tree stand occur on his property a few years ago. We talked with a game warden and to sum up the conversation, if someone leaves their property on your property when committing a crime (tresspassing) their property becomes yours - however they could ask for their property back and face the consequences - or you can turn the property over to law enforcement as evidence. According to WAC it is every hunters responsibility to know who's property they are hunting on and the property owner isn't required to post their property with no trespassing or no hunting signs.
In this case it would not be wrong to keep the cameras but I would leave a note for the owners to offer them an opportunity to claim their cameras and face the consequences of their actions. If they don't show up you have two new cameras; in our situation involving the tree stand we got a new tree stand because the offending party never contacted us.
Post by: johnsonmj81 on October 05, 2013, 09:28:28 AM
I may have come across a few larceny cases in the last 6 years since graduating the police academy but we will leave that, just referencing that I know what a larceny is. I don't usually post for this reason alone and don't enjoy this "my feelings make your post wrong" game people play on here. a game warden tells you that any property left on your property is yours means that if they don't come claim it then yes you have the right to keep it, however if they report it stolen/ claim it and can prove its theirs then they get it back. along with charges pressed ofcourse.
Scenario- Said camera thief reads this, contacts police says he had read the post and that he had two cameras matching that description in the area but it was on adjacent property. So police track you down through this sight and show up at your door asking for camera serial number xxxxxx that looks like "description". You say yeah I have them but they were on my property when I found them. The lowlife that put the camera there has proof that you have his camera but you don't have sustainable proof that they were actually on your land. Now if this is further down the road and you give a camera away to someone that has also saw this post, well their guilty of receiving stolen property.
-Im not trying to play devils advocate just saying do it the right way like bmcalister did and get the official word from a Game warden. But as others said the reality of them coming back is slim to none.
Post by: predatorpro on October 05, 2013, 09:57:24 AM
If I dump my trash on your property, yes its still my property. I will get charged with illegal dumping and have to remove it or end up having to pay you for the removal.true...but trail cameras take pictures....and im sure one of the trail cams has pictures with dates of a pile of apples on private property...i think you have every right to take the cameras down....tho i would call a sherriff and see what he says....you can turn the cameras over to the sherriffs department as a lost and found claim or he might tell you that you can keep them whos knows!
I may have come across a few larceny cases in the last 6 years since graduating the police academy but we will leave that, just referencing that I know what a larceny is. I don't usually post for this reason alone and don't enjoy this "my feelings make your post wrong" game people play on here. a game warden tells you that any property left on your property is yours means that if they don't come claim it then yes you have the right to keep it, however if they report it stolen/ claim it and can prove its theirs then they get it back. along with charges pressed ofcourse.
Scenario- Said camera thief reads this, contacts police says he had read the post and that he had two cameras matching that description in the area but it was on adjacent property. So police track you down through this sight and show up at your door asking for camera serial number xxxxxx that looks like "description". You say yeah I have them but they were on my property when I found them. The lowlife that put the camera there has proof that you have his camera but you don't have sustainable proof that they were actually on your land. Now if this is further down the road and you give a camera away to someone that has also saw this post, well their guilty of receiving stolen property.
-Im not trying to play devils advocate just saying do it the right way like bmcalister did and get the official word from a Game warden. But as others said the reality of them coming back is slim to none.
Post by: bullcanyon on October 09, 2013, 05:46:56 AM
Post by: huntnnw on October 09, 2013, 06:13:15 AM
Post by: Dirty Mike on October 09, 2013, 06:34:44 AM
Post by: TheHunt on October 09, 2013, 06:47:59 AM
Post by: Labs07 on October 09, 2013, 03:28:16 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on October 10, 2013, 07:16:09 AM
Post by: Becky on October 10, 2013, 07:26:12 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on October 10, 2013, 11:08:05 AM
Everyone keeps asking for pics and the OP never said he had any, another member suggested that MAYBE whoever put the cams up accidentally took pics of themself :dunno: maybe there isn't any.Actually reply #55 said pics will follow...
Post by: Becky on October 10, 2013, 11:31:13 AM
Actually reply #55 said pics will follow...
Post 55:
Thanks for all the advice. Im actually driving up to my property right now. I will grab the camers and bring them home. I had my buddy check and make sure they were still there this morning and they are. Pics will follow as soon as I get home. Im thinking if I end up keeping the cameras I will donate one to the youth hunt winner this year. Any thoughts?
Thanks all
So you mean the part where he hadn't checked the camera yet to verify if there was pics or not? Then his response at #64 he still hadn't gotten the cameras yet? I was just suggesting that MAYBE there isn't any pics lol..
Won't know until he replies back, but as of his last response - he still didn't have the cameras yet. :dunno:
Post by: Bmcox86 on October 10, 2013, 11:34:47 AM
Post by: xd2005 on October 10, 2013, 11:48:05 AM
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So I found this great public land spot up in 117 a few weeks ago. It looked like a great spot, especially since there appears to be an apple tree nearby, as I noticed a pile of apples when I last visited. I guess they all fell off the tree and rolled into the spot.
Anyway, I went and put up a couple cameras to keep an eye on the place and lo and behind, someone has taken them! I just can't believe the nerve people have these days taking things that aren't theirs!
:chuckle:
Post by: bullcanyon on October 10, 2013, 11:53:12 AM
Post by: Becky on October 10, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
You guys have no idea how difficult it has been for me not to start a "Stolen cams" thread saying the following:QuoteSo I found this great public land spot up in 117 a few weeks ago. It looked like a great spot, especially since there appears to be an apple tree nearby, as I noticed a pile of apples when I last visited. I guess they all fell off the tree and rolled into the spot.
Anyway, I went and put up a couple cameras to keep an eye on the place and lo and behind, someone has taken them! I just can't believe the nerve people have these days taking things that aren't theirs!
:chuckle:
:lol4: :lol4: I've really been waiting for a new "cam stolen!" thread that matched this ones' description. Too funny.
Post by: Curly on October 10, 2013, 12:13:36 PM
So what are you going to do when you find out that a couple of smoking hot little coeds have had there camera's up on your property ? :chuckle:
Lol. :tup: might have to offer my " bait" for them to use.. under my strict supervision of course.
They still will lose there cameras though.
Almost there. Gonna lose service so I will update in a bit.
Thanks again
Maybe Clearviewguy ran into the trespassers when he was up there. The post quoted above was his last post............... :o Hope he's ok.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 10, 2013, 01:44:10 PM
No offense intended. Could it have been a senior moment? Could you have put them there and forgotten? Just joking, of course.
Perhaps he forgot about the thread, too?
Post by: tonymiller7 on November 12, 2013, 03:12:20 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on November 12, 2013, 03:19:16 PM
A side note..............who puts cameras on an existing pile of apples? Do you think they just fell from the sky?
I thought they fell from an airplane...my mistake
Post by: JohnVH on November 12, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
Post by: Elkrunner on November 12, 2013, 03:44:37 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 12, 2013, 04:17:45 PM
They must have been Brad's camera's.:yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: Netminder01 on November 13, 2013, 09:19:13 AM
If I dump my trash on your property, yes its still my property. I will get charged with illegal dumping and have to remove it or end up having to pay you for the removal.
I may have come across a few larceny cases in the last 6 years since graduating the police academy but we will leave that, just referencing that I know what a larceny is. I don't usually post for this reason alone and don't enjoy this "my feelings make your post wrong" game people play on here. a game warden tells you that any property left on your property is yours means that if they don't come claim it then yes you have the right to keep it, however if they report it stolen/ claim it and can prove its theirs then they get it back. along with charges pressed ofcourse.
Scenario- Said camera thief reads this, contacts police says he had read the post and that he had two cameras matching that description in the area but it was on adjacent property. So police track you down through this sight and show up at your door asking for camera serial number xxxxxx that looks like "description". You say yeah I have them but they were on my property when I found them. The lowlife that put the camera there has proof that you have his camera but you don't have sustainable proof that they were actually on your land. Now if this is further down the road and you give a camera away to someone that has also saw this post, well their guilty of receiving stolen property.
-Im not trying to play devils advocate just saying do it the right way like bmcalister did and get the official word from a Game warden. But as others said the reality of them coming back is slim to none.
Good post and makes sense to me! Still hopeful to see a few of said pictures.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on November 13, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
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but you don't have sustainable proof that they were actually on your land.
Except for the pictures taken by the cameras and the damage done to the mounting locations. Then the trespasser is shown to have been guilty of making a false official report or whatever lying to the police is charged as.
Post by: Dave of TDG-Farms on November 14, 2013, 06:04:13 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 14, 2013, 06:13:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 14, 2013, 06:27:45 PM
As far as I understand it, Washington State does not require property owners to post their lands. All private land is private property and it is the trespassers responsibility to know where they are.
That's not 100% correct. Yes it's true the state doesn't REQUIRE people to post their land. But if it's not posted, and not fenced, and not cultivated, then a person cannot be cited for trespassing.
Since you're from the Tri Cities, your statement likely holds true most of the time, because most of the properties are probably cultivated. So, someone would be guilty of trespass even if it's not posted.
But if someone mistakenly steps across a property line out in the middle of the forest, from public to private land, they are not going to be cited for trespassing, UNLESS there were signs that made it obvious that they were crossing onto private land. So your statement that it's the "trespassers responsibility to know where they are" is not true.
That may be what we should all strive for, but the law doesn't require us to be responsible.
Post by: Dave of TDG-Farms on November 15, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
Does private property need to be posted in Washington State in order for trespass rules to be enforced?
NO:
If the land has indications of private ownership, such as buildings, fences, or signs, you cannot go onto the land without the landowner’s or tenant’s permission.
And again though, the posting of signs does more or less eliminate the need for a warning and allows for a citation to be written on the spot. Not much different other then it cuts a viable defense as to why they were trespassing.
Post by: fast60eddie on November 16, 2013, 10:38:40 AM
Yep you are more correct then I am. Here is what I remembered and kinda confused.
Does private property need to be posted in Washington State in order for trespass rules to be enforced?
NO:
If the land has indications of private ownership, such as buildings, fences, or signs, you cannot go onto the land without the landowner’s or tenant’s permission.
And again though, the posting of signs does more or less eliminate the need for a warning and allows for a citation to be written on the spot. Not much different other then it cuts a viable defense as to why they were trespassing.
I think it depends on the county. Take King County for example! You can squat anywhere you want then sue for damages and file theft charges when stuff is removed by the property owner.
Post by: Bmcox86 on November 16, 2013, 12:25:51 PM