Post by: Becky on October 04, 2013, 09:56:16 AM
*edit* : Just found this story posted 5 minutes ago - http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/10/wolf-pet-escapes-from-thurston-county-home/ (http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/10/wolf-pet-escapes-from-thurston-county-home/) looks like a wolf pet.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 04, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Post by: Becky on October 04, 2013, 10:11:15 AM
They should release more there. If it were more dangerous for our elected and appointed officials to go to work, like it is for E. cattle ranchers, maybe they'd vote using their brains instead of pandering to special interests.
The most interesting thing was reading the comments, a lot of "have a taste of your own medicine" type arguments back and forth with "don't put it down! don't hurt him" :rolleyes: if a dog gets killed for being aggressive and attacking a neighbor dog then why would they think otherwise of this wolf.
Post by: BIGINNER on October 04, 2013, 10:12:39 AM
Post by: Becky on October 04, 2013, 10:16:53 AM
hybrid? :dunno:
See my *edit* note at the bottom. It's a 98% wolf hybrid is what they're saying.
Post by: nbk on October 04, 2013, 11:25:09 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on October 04, 2013, 11:28:31 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on October 04, 2013, 11:29:15 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 04, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
I don't get why they say they will give it back to the owner. It was already angry and aggressive towards people.
So he can release it successfully next time. :bash:
Post by: AspenBud on October 04, 2013, 02:09:56 PM
Post by: arees on October 04, 2013, 02:47:59 PM
Post by: Becky on October 04, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
Post by: buckfvr on October 04, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
Post by: mkcj on October 04, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on October 04, 2013, 10:55:53 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 04, 2013, 11:12:22 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html)
Post by: mulehunter on October 04, 2013, 11:22:55 PM
:peep:
Post by: Becky on October 05, 2013, 10:11:48 AM
Certainly possible, unlikely any of the wolfers follow the genetics close enough to accomplish it. Sixth generation would be more than 98%, getting exactly 98% would take some careful back crosses.
:yeah: I've done a lot of research of domesticated/hybrid bred animals back in the day. I used to have a bengal cat and wanted a savannah cat - that stemmed my fascination. Anyways all that aside, to get past the laws in this state in order to own a "wolf" it has to be a hybrid. 98% is extremely steep and he has SEVERAL (read through the news article I posted last, he breeds them). To maintain this high of percentage, there are lots of near-wolf generations there to continue that breeding. It's not a simple F1 breeding.
Post by: AspenBud on October 06, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html)
You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.
People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.
Post by: KFhunter on October 06, 2013, 09:38:25 AM
I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html)
You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.
People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.
This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in ahwile. :bash:
You can't shoot a hybrid, sure legally you can but how the hell are you going to know it's a hybrid? I won't shoot a hybrid, not when I can't identify it w/o a freaking DNA sample :bash:
So for all intensive purposes to us laymen in the field, it's a freaking wolf.
If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?
Post by: bearpaw on October 06, 2013, 10:08:35 AM
I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html)
You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.
People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.
This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in ahwile. :bash:
You can't shoot a hybrid, sure legally you can but how the hell are you going to know it's a hybrid? I won't shoot a hybrid, not when I can't identify it w/o a freaking DNA sample :bash:
So for all intensive purposes to us laymen in the field, it's a freaking wolf.
If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?
:yeah: exactly right
Post by: lokidog on October 06, 2013, 10:26:38 AM
If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?
If this was attacking my dog, it looks like an aggressive dog attacking my pet, IT IS GOING DOWN, I don't give a crap what it looks like or might be or where I might be. :twocents:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 06, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 06, 2013, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: bobcat on October 06, 2013, 11:00:25 AM
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Post by: JLS on October 06, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
There needs to be a new law to ban the possession of hybrid wolves. There's no logical reason why anyone should have a hybrid wolf. Besides, how the heck do you get a hybrid? You would have to start out by breeding a wolf to a dog. How is that legal?
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I completely agree.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on October 06, 2013, 11:20:46 AM
There needs to be a new law to ban the possession of hybrid wolves. There's no logical reason why anyone should have a hybrid wolf. Besides, how the heck do you get a hybrid? You would have to start out by breeding a wolf to a dog. How is that legal?
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I completely agree.
I also agree. It is illegal to possess hybrids in Alaska.
Post by: snowpack on October 06, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
Post by: AspenBud on October 06, 2013, 02:03:19 PM
I got lamblasted on this thread for suggesting people raised these things and turned them loose not so long ago.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,134729.0.html)
You got lambasted when someone thought you said WOLVES were released and then didn't point out to the person that you said you saw hybrids released, not wolves. At 98% the dog may look like a wolf and act like a wolf but it is not a wolf. Or to put it another way, you can shoot it.
People have raised hybrids for years in this state and some have gotten loose, that's not really a debate. But it wasn't because of some government plot, it was because of stupid people wanting "Fluffy" to run free and "Fluffy" was not a wolf.
This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in ahwile. :bash:
You can't shoot a hybrid, sure legally you can but how the hell are you going to know it's a hybrid? I won't shoot a hybrid, not when I can't identify it w/o a freaking DNA sample :bash:
So for all intensive purposes to us laymen in the field, it's a freaking wolf.
If this "hybrid" which got this thread going were out in the woods chewing on your bird dog you could not do a dang thing about it being on western portion of the state - or are you such a wolf expert you'd be able to identify that 2% other than wolf DNA?
No need to be sore. I agree with you.
But my point is you can't claim you saw wolves released when you did not. You saw hybrids released. They are not the Canadian wolves that wolfbait et al hoot about and those hybrids were not part of some government plot.
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Post by: KFhunter on October 06, 2013, 09:33:27 PM
Those secret rings were all the rage in 1983.
Hybrid or not, they kill animals and domestic livestock just like a real wolf does and we can't control them because we don't know they aren't real wolves. The risk is far too great to make a mistake and shoot a real wolf thinking it was a hybrid.
Say what do you get when you cross an escaped 98% hybrid with a real wolf? I don't know either, but I can tell you they'll act just like a real wolf.
Post by: wolfbait on October 06, 2013, 09:53:48 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 06, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
Post by: stevemiller on October 06, 2013, 10:27:48 PM