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Title: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: norsepeak on October 29, 2008, 10:15:42 PM: I set my girl on the edge of a clearcut to sit till dark. I walk up on the hill just to goof off. I hear shooting from the clearcut, so I call her on the radio. She says it's not her, but a cow hunter is shooting at some cows crossing the clearcut and she said she is going to go talk to the guy. I tell her I'll get the rig and meet her in the clearcut. I show up and see her and the guy in the clearcut. I walk out there and see the cow he shot laying down, but still alive with her head up. I ask the guy if he is going to put her out of her misery? He says ya ya. So we start to walk off while the guy is jabbering on his radio in Japanese. I get half way to the road and the guy is still jabbering away so I yell to him to go put the elk down. He says ya ya and starts walking up to the elk. Now we are wondering what the heck his doing. He sets his rifle down and starts picking up rocks! He walks up to the elk while she is "barking" at him and grinding her teeth, but she can't stand. He walks up and throws the rock at her! We just stared in disbelief. Then he picks up a large stick and starts hitting the elk over the head. Right there I lost it! I grabbed my fiance's rifle and started marching right at the guy while yelling "If you hit that f#$king elk one more time in god*%mn headwith that stick, I'm gonna hit you over the f*$king head with it." As I'm walking up to him yelling, he starts backing away. I then in no uncertain terms or actions let him know that, that is NOT how you treat an animal, and that he should shoot it in the head and put it out of it's misery. And I stood there and made him shoot it and kill it. I was so mad that I litteraly saw red! I don't know if I handled it correctly or not, but I believe that the animals we hunt deserve better than that. What do you guys think? Do I go too far?
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Ray on October 29, 2008, 10:18:49 PM: I avoid confrontations with other people possessing guns. I wasn't there. If it was me I *might* just walk away. You never know who's going to be the psychopath these days. It sounds to me like he probably learned a valuable lesson whether or not he liked it. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: bobcat on October 29, 2008, 10:25:59 PM: I'm glad you were there to take care of the situation. Not sure what I would've done but I'd like to think that I would have done exactly the same thing. And if he wouldn't finish the cow off immediately, I probably would have done it myself. That's just not right the way he was treating that elk. Idiots like that should not be allowed to hunt.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on October 29, 2008, 10:33:55 PM: Maybe could have left a note on his rig or have taken a more gentle approach. Confronting him the way you did could have turned out bad for you and/or your fiance.

Tough thing to witness regardless, and I'd have been just as pissed as you.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: blessed on October 29, 2008, 10:40:16 PM: I would like to know if he was out of bullets? You did the right thing making sure the cow never suffered any more.
BUT did he even have a tag? I don't know if I could have let him use my gun?? Sounds crazy. What did your girl think of it?
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 29, 2008, 10:59:21 PM: Yeah I'd have been pissed and prety fired up if I saw something like that. Probably would have done the same thing you did. Things like that. . . I get a pretty hot head and don't think things through all the way. I probably wouldn't have thought about the phycho with a gun.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Ghost1941 on October 29, 2008, 11:15:38 PM: It was a good thing you did... but you gotta look at how much danger you could have possibly placed yourself in. Good way to get yourself shot IMO...

Not to stereo type, but this thing in particular comes to mind.

Happened in 04

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/11/22_kelleherb_huntershooting/
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Ellensburg on October 30, 2008, 12:07:54 AM: Good work. that guy sounds like an ass-hat
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on October 30, 2008, 12:20:30 AM: I remeber when that happened. I was still living in Georgia.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: 12Gauge on October 30, 2008, 06:05:16 AM: You're lucky he did not shoot you or your fiance, never deal people like that who has loaded firearms unless you're a cop. You just don't know if they are mental case or not. I sounded like it was his first kill ever and did not know what to do, you made him shoot the animal which the right thing to do. I would have shot the animal myself.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: ICEMAN on October 30, 2008, 06:11:47 AM: Norsepeak. I agree with your approach. I would have done the same. I have no problem correcting some freaking *censored*, in town, at a movie, at the beach, in the woods. I have always lived that way, stay principled, stand up for what is right, even placing my safety on the back burner many, many times.

Would I recommend anyone else do it that way? No.

Would I advise they take a different approach? Probably.

Would I put them down for standing up for what is right? Never.

I say good job.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: luvtohnt on October 30, 2008, 06:23:50 AM: I say good job for putting yourself in a dangerous position. I would have wanted to but I would have worried to much about the other guy being crazy! I wonder if there any laws regarding the dipatching of wounded animals?

Brandon
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: GoldTip on October 30, 2008, 06:29:41 AM: Norsespeak, good job. Was what you did the safest thing in the world to do, no. Was it the right thing to do, yes. Good Job.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 06:53:42 AM: I would have done the exact same thing, if anything different, maybe shooting the elk myself. Sorry the Mrs had to be in that situation. I would have been seeing alot of RED as well.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: DeKuma on October 30, 2008, 06:55:41 AM: I am not sure I could have contained my anger either. I certainly would have been in a dangerous situation, and most likely would have stood there yelling at him to get of the phone or grabbed the .45 from my hip and dispatched the animal first and worry about consequences later.

I say good job, and am glad it turned out okay. Could have gotten really ugly, really fast!
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 30, 2008, 07:10:14 AM: I agree with Bone on this one. Probably would have looked for this guys vehicle and reported it to fish and game even if there is not a law or violation.This type of behavior is uncalled for. I have too much respect for both the living and harvested animals. Anyone can call themselves a hunter but there are unwritten ethics and responsibilites that come with this. Have to remember your actions are portraying to the public how you want a hunter to be viewed as and a few bad apples can spoil a batch.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: yelp on October 30, 2008, 07:18:23 AM: You did right by your fiance too. They need to teach how to dispatch a wounded animal in hunter education classes.

A few years back I was elk hunting and saw a herd of elk coming through the timber....thinking I was all alone on the mountain...I was waiting for the opportune moment. As the elk approached rifle range I prepared myself...all of a sudden shots rang out from the timber to the left of me a mear 100 yards away. the elk I was watching drops but is wounded..I see this excited hunter (no hunter orange) run out of the timber with a 30/30 lever action and start shooting at this elk. He hit it every time but failed to produce a kill shot. I finally watch him kill it with a neck shot and go up and talk to him. He said it was his first elk and he was so excited. He hit that elk five times... yummy!..I asked him if he was hunting by himself and he said his partners were in the area. I congratulated him and then told him where I was going to be...there were elk all over that day and I figured I would sit and wait. I go off and about 10 minutes goes by and I hear 3 more shots..I go WTF! I walk back over and this guy is standing there I go what were you shooting at? He said I figured I would let my partners know where I am by shooting three times in the air! I shook my head and walked away. Opening day of elk and you could hear over 50 shots...I am sure his partners located his ass. There are all sorts in the woods....be careful!
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: EastWaViking on October 30, 2008, 07:26:32 AM: You did exactly what I would have at least wanted to have done in the situation. Risky though.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: CP on October 30, 2008, 07:57:25 AM: Who was right and who was wrong is not always the same as who committed a crime and who didn’t. I think you went too far when you threatened violence.

RCW 9a.46.020
Definition — Penalties.
(1) A person is guilty of harassment if:

(a) Without lawful authority, the person knowingly threatens:

(i) To cause bodily injury immediately or in the future to the person threatened or to any other person; or

(ii) To cause physical damage to the property of a person other than the actor; or

(iii) To subject the person threatened or any other person to physical confinement or restraint; or

(iv) Maliciously to do any other act which is intended to substantially harm the person threatened or another with respect to his or her physical or mental health or safety; and

(b) The person by words or conduct places the person threatened in reasonable fear that the threat will be carried out. "Words or conduct" includes, in addition to any other form of communication or conduct, the sending of an electronic communication.

(2)(a) Except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a person who harasses another is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(b) A person who harasses another is guilty of a class C felony if either of the following applies: (i) The person has previously been convicted in this or any other state of any crime of harassment, as defined in RCW 9A.46.060, of the same victim or members of the victim's family or household or any person specifically named in a no-contact or no-harassment order; or (ii) the person harasses another person under subsection (1)(a)(i) of this section by threatening to kill the person threatened or any other person.

(3) The penalties provided in this section for harassment do not preclude the victim from seeking any other remedy otherwise available under law.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 08:12:22 AM: That was an oftley pretty gun to shove up that guys ass. I would have had a hard time resisting. LOL
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: yelp on October 30, 2008, 08:17:09 AM: How many hunting harrassment cases are made by fish and game officers each year....probably very few...why? Hard to prove maybe. Who sticks up for the suffering elk? There is no ethical police in the woods people. You going to run up to a gamey and say there is a asian american elk hunter beating a wounded elk with a stick and he is throwing rocks at it! ??? I probably would have reacted in a similar fashion. Many of people on here said you were wrong in how you reacted...but they don't really know how they would react if in your shoes..its all hindsight. Biting your tongue and sucking it in is always hard. We live and learn. That gentleman though will remember that if he wounds another animal a gun is better than a stick or rocks. We all use instinct and reason, but you never know what will flip your switch. We all learn lessons good and bad with all of the new experiences we have in life.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Intruder on October 30, 2008, 08:26:15 AM: I would have interveined but tried to do it in a manner that wouldn't create a confrontation. As upset as I would have been things can go sideways fast with ignorant people.... which seems obvious this guy was.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: KillBilly on October 30, 2008, 08:30:04 AM: it appears that the key word is threatened.... I gues the prudent thing to do is to just do harm without a threat and it will be okay :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: bucklucky on October 30, 2008, 08:33:45 AM: I would have done the same thing, but about the second time he told me Ya Ya I would have exploded! That kind of irresposibility pisses the hell out of me, probably would have shot the elk my self , then shoved is gun up his anus, and then taken that damn caell phone and shoved it down his throat.

I had a similar situation happen in a dithch off a main highway on private land. A father had his kid shoot a doe from the road, she fell in the ditch with a broken back. I thought when I pulled up they hit it with a car and didnt have a weapon to dispatch it, boy I was wrong. They proceeded to tell me what happened as I was looking for something to kill her with, when he said his boy shot her ......well >:( I got angry. I took it easy because the kid was real young and didnt want to bitch slap his dad in front of him. I told him to shoot her in the head and end her missery as she is crawling down the ditch. They were waiting for his partner to get up there to shoot her with a pistol. OMG, I was loosing seriouse patience. They didnt want to load up the muzzle loader to dispatch her. My wife had to hold me back, I was about to rain on this dip*censored*s parade, this is where I wish I was the size of Bone cause when your only a buck fifty it dont get through to them big *censored*s unless you send the jackhammers flying towards there noggin! Right about the time the storm was gona start thundering there buddy showed up and took care of it. This happened in about 5 minutes. Told them the cops were on there way , and that was that.
I fricken hate stupid people !
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: deaddog on October 30, 2008, 08:42:12 AM: Norsespeak I belive you did the right thing and congatulate you on having the balls do do it. To many folks just look away and are afraid to do whats right and yes whats right may not be legal. personaly i may have broke his gun in half and kicked his ass! :stup:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on October 30, 2008, 09:09:15 AM: Quote from: Intruder on October 30, 2008, 08:26:15 AM
I would have interveined but tried to do it in a manner that wouldn't create a confrontation. As upset as I would have been things can go sideways fast with ignorant people.... which seems obvious this guy was.

Well put Intruder.

Who knows where this guy was born and how his culture and upbringing was!!! Many countries don't treat animals the way most of us sportsman think they should be treated. We don't always agree with ourselves about what is ethical, humane, and border legal and we all have somewhat similar backgrounds. Was this an older gentleman or a young adult? Was he swinging the stick yelling "Tora! Tora!" Situation dictates tactics on confronting this guy!!! But, I am not willing to risk life or limb over the way this guy is dispatching the elk.
I've heard DOUBLELUNG say, "Animals live short lives and die violent deaths." Was this any worse than a pack of wolves disembowelling an elk? I think not! Now we should do everything we can to make a clean quick kill, but anyone who has spent time out harvesting game knows how messy a kill can be and wouldn't want the armchair hunter critiqueing us on our perceived folly!!! I think being professional and educating this guy would be the best for all, and I do think this guys conduct should be reported to WDFW and/or the SO. Maybe this guy has a background and shouldn't possess a license or a firearm. In God we trust, all others need to be checked in NCIC.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 09:12:12 AM: Stick the phone on vibrate before you shove it down his throat and get the number. I'll start calling it.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: bucklucky on October 30, 2008, 09:16:55 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 09:12:12 AM
Stick the phone on vibrate before you shove it down his throat and get the number. I'll start calling it.

:chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: HawkenBob on October 30, 2008, 09:24:56 AM: As soon as he was clear of the animal and looking for his rock or stick, Id have yelled "Ears", and shot as soon as he realised what I was about to do and his ears were covered. I would have walked away after cycling another round, flipping on the safety and explaining the ethics involved....I would have been patient with him though. He obiously had no idea what to do. :dunno:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: demontang on October 30, 2008, 09:35:11 AM: I probly would have done the same thing, but like bucklucky said it would have been the secound time he said yaya. I dont know if I would have said the same thing but you never know in the heat of the moment what your going to do. :mor:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: rudedawg1085 on October 30, 2008, 10:59:22 AM: I would of done the exact same thing....Everbody goes ( or should) into the woods with more then a couple bullets in hand...Im 99% sure he wasent out of ammo to finish her off with...good job. Watching an animal geeting stonned to death like some old 1800 century slave would of set me off to!! >:(
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: fc2038 on October 30, 2008, 12:05:15 PM: What an ass. I really do not know what I would have done given the situation, but I do know this... I would really be pissed off. What the hell was he thinking beating it the head with a stick. I am getting firied up just thinking about it. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Sagedawg on October 30, 2008, 12:09:38 PM: Im like you and would have done the same thing. A few years ago I watched a guy shoot a mulie buck ,watched him fall into the fence still kicking and bawling, this guy set down and started eating lunch!!!!!!!!! I walked up to him and told him to put him down and he told me "he's gonna die I dont want to waste another bullett" I was PISSED.I didnt know what the law would say about shooting him so I walked over and cut his throat. Walked back over to the "hunter" and told him if he didnt have respect for the animal to stay home. Told my wife about it that night and she freaked saying the guy could have shot me yada,yada,yada. Bottom line is if I see an a@@hole letting an animal suffer Ill put the critter down and take whatever lumps come my way. Good job NorsePeak, Im glad you confronted this guy.

Sage
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: CP on October 30, 2008, 12:15:40 PM: Until an animal is tagged it belongs to the state, not to any individual. If it is alive and the nitwit that shot is hasn’t finished the job, you can shoot it and tag it and it then belongs to you. That would get their attention.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: DeKuma on October 30, 2008, 12:23:45 PM: Quote from: Sagedawg on October 30, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
"he's gonna die I dont want to waste another bullett"

There something so wrong with this mentality! That guy is going to die someday too, and when his time comes, does he want to suffer needlessly or be quick and done with it? :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: rasbo on October 30, 2008, 12:39:50 PM: no way I could walk away from that,I would have shot it for him,like it or not,right or wrong
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: spin05 on October 30, 2008, 05:55:41 PM: Along this same line or maybe not.I have a story.....My hunting partner when i hunted the modern season.Came across a women who had just hit a cow elk by the dump in Hobart.Here car was pretty much destroyed.Mean while the elk was belowing on the side of the road trying to get up.So my friend not having a gun had enough of that and picked up the biggest rock he could lift.Then preceeds to drop it on the cow elks head.Of course he gets done and looks over at the face of the lady and another guy that stopped.He said it was priceless!!!!!!!!!!Sometimes thou you have to do what you have to do.That said that doesnt excuse the guy.........
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: norsepeak on October 30, 2008, 06:07:33 PM: It's interesting to see the range of replies to this topic. Many of you talked about the danger of the situation. I agree it was a dangerous move, but when began to approach him, he was unarmed, and I was armed with a rifle. Also, I'm a big strong guy, 6'3" 235lbs, so when I was marching at the guy with rifle in hand, his eyes were about as big as basketballs and he was backing up quickly. And if was afraid to shoot a dying animal I doubt he would have the stones to shoot at a person.

As for the fiance, well as she puts it "I thought is was going to have to scrape kung phooey off of my new rifle." Those are her words! She has been around the woods and hunting long enough to know whats right and wrong, and she was just as pissed as I was.

Should I have been a little more diplomatic, yeah probably, but I gurantee the next animal that guys shoots he'll make sure to dispatch it quickly. I just think that that's how stupid need to be delt with because being P.C. and trying not to hurt their feelings is NOT working. Just look at our government.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 06:09:21 PM: :chuckle:
I shouldn't be laughing as its serious, but I was picturing his look and that shiny new gun being thumped along side his head....
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: actionshooter on October 30, 2008, 06:22:27 PM: I agree with what you did but I wouldn't have done it with a kid or my fiance there b/c of the chance of putting them in danger. :twocents:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 06:23:34 PM: She could probably take care of herself. I'm surprised he wasn't pulling her off of him and her beating him over the head with a big stick.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: norsepeak on October 30, 2008, 06:31:04 PM: Yeah, she was not very happy with him either. And she can definetly take care of herself, I 've felt her wrath once or twice! ouch! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: actionshooter on October 30, 2008, 06:48:18 PM: Quote from: norsepeak on October 30, 2008, 06:31:04 PM
Yeah, she was not very happy with him either. And she can definetly take care of herself, I 've felt her wrath once or twice! ouch! :chuckle:

sorry tp hear that :chuckle:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Ghost1941 on October 30, 2008, 08:06:14 PM: Ahh... I failed to catch that he was unarmed. I was assuming that due to him shooting it he was still armed.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: jae on October 30, 2008, 08:08:32 PM: Quote from: ICEMAN on October 30, 2008, 06:11:47 AM
Norsepeak. I agree with your approach. I would have done the same. I have no problem correcting some freaking *censored*, in town, at a movie, at the beach, in the woods. I have always lived that way, stay principled, stand up for what is right, even placing my safety on the back burner many, many times.

Would I recommend anyone else do it that way? No.

Would I advise they take a different approach? Probably.

Would I put them down for standing up for what is right? Never.

I say good job.

Holy Crap Ice Man! that is what I was going to say!
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: robb92 on October 30, 2008, 08:37:15 PM: I've had to do the same thing, saw a guy shoot a doe in the spine with his bow and then started to walk off to where his truck was parked and I asked him why he didn't finish her off, said he didn't want to waste another arrow, I asked him did he have a knife? He said yeah, told him to start using it to put her out of her misery and show repsect for the animal. He started laughing at that and I went and cut her throat and called the game department on him, read about it the local paper about a week later that the guy had recieved a ticket for what amounted to animal abuse. There is no place for it in the woods when another "hunters" give the rest of us who follow the rules and are ehtical a bad name.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: jamesjet on October 30, 2008, 09:21:22 PM: Glad you were there to stand up to that B.S! Not sure how I would have handled that until I was in your situation. I didn't know the
hunting regs were printed in Japanese! Oops...wait thats the the DMV...
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Head-shot on October 30, 2008, 09:54:45 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on October 30, 2008, 06:09:21 PM
:chuckle:
I shouldn't be laughing as its serious, but I was picturing his look and that shiny new gun being thumped along side his head....
Me too... nothing leave a mark quite like a good butt stroke :chuckle:

I think you did the right thing. It all come down to INTEGRITY. Some people just do the right thing even when nobody is looking. Well done norsepeak :tup:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Blade on October 30, 2008, 09:57:08 PM: You did the right thing and hopefully educated that stupid son of a bitch about what it means to take an animals life, they deserve better.
Thanks for having the guts to correct this a-hole. I bet he thought about that incident all night.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: Diehard0123 on October 30, 2008, 10:08:48 PM: Why people can't do a little research before they buy their first hunting license is beyond me. WDFW should provide a free DVD to every first time license buyer that walks you through the steps of cleaning an animal, dispatching an animal, safety, ethics, and Washington Hunting laws. Reality is that this still would not stop people from being stupid.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: ICEMAN on October 31, 2008, 05:53:23 AM: Quote from: jae on October 30, 2008, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: ICEMAN on October 30, 2008, 06:11:47 AM
Norsepeak. I agree with your approach. I would have done the same. I have no problem correcting some freaking *censored*, in town, at a movie, at the beach, in the woods. I have always lived that way, stay principled, stand up for what is right, even placing my safety on the back burner many, many times.

Would I recommend anyone else do it that way? No.

Would I advise they take a different approach? Probably.

Would I put them down for standing up for what is right? Never.

I say good job.

Holy Crap Ice Man! that is what I was going to say!

Glad to hear someone was thinking like me...... Scary too..... :o
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: brokenbone on October 31, 2008, 02:15:20 PM: I carry a SIG 220 45 for the cats and a holes that i meet in the woods. i could never get the rifle into action b4 a cat is on me. i could get the 45 into action. i have been introduced to the other side of hunting a few years ago. i was not armed at the time. i realize that i wild have done the same thing. but i would have gotten allot of his info and mby some pics. if the dolt was not armed at the time of confrontation then he may take it the wrong way when i come up to him with a rifle and a side arm. the fish and game dept is not to good about getting these people locked up. it is indeed our eyes that help them. info to the fish and game my help. i have a friend that is a gamey i could ask what info they would want.

glad you intervened and i hope the d/a knows that there are better ways to deal with wounded game.
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: alecvg on November 01, 2008, 08:16:44 PM: I would have shot it. :dunno:
Title: Re: Situation ethics: what would you have done?
Post by: croix on November 03, 2008, 11:40:08 AM: I think this guy really needed to learn a lesson. I tend to be a little more level headed and diplomatic but Norsepeak's approach has merit.

Based on the law of primacy, students retain information they learn for the first time longer than they retain information they must relearn. Unlearning incorrect procedures (or bad habits) is always more difficult than learning the correct procedures in the beginning. Norse's "student" needed to unlearn a bad habit.

The law of intensity states that a vivid experience is learned better and retained longer. Norsepeak certainly provided a vivid learning experience.

Of course there are other laws that apply here (the actual legal ones re: assault, harassment, etc) but this guy will definitely remember the lesson he got.