Post by: sanjuankelso on October 31, 2008, 05:30:32 PM
Post by: Antlershed on October 31, 2008, 05:32:11 PM
Post by: Antlershed on October 31, 2008, 05:52:44 PM
Sep 1-30 Early Archery Deer
Sep 8*-14* Early Archery Elk
Oct 4*-10* Early Muzzy Deer
Oct 4*-10* Early Muzzy Elk
Oct 13*-31 Modern Deer
Nov 1-Dec 15 Late Archery Deer
Nov 19-Dec 15 Late Archery Elk
Nov 19-Dec 15 Late Muzzy Deer
Nov 19-Dec 15 Late Muzzy Elk
Dec 23*-27* Late Modern Deer
Where do you stick the Modern Firearm Elk season?
*Dates that generally change from year to year.
Post by: Ray on October 31, 2008, 06:34:37 PM
Post by: deerslyr on October 31, 2008, 06:34:58 PM
Post by: stumprat on October 31, 2008, 06:51:35 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on November 01, 2008, 07:47:10 AM
Post by: rasbo on November 01, 2008, 08:02:50 AM
Post by: fishseeker on November 01, 2008, 08:22:36 AM
Post by: 300rum on November 01, 2008, 08:37:05 AM
Archery hunters get a month of early season hunting and a month and a half of late season already. Maybe we should let you start hunting in august and hunt right on until they lose there horns. Then you would get to hunt the entire rut.
You just might be on to something right there! :IBCOOL:
Post by: SW Blacktail on November 01, 2008, 10:16:09 AM
It's closed for a reason, not to say it wouldn't be fun though we can always dream, they are really starting to get dumb. :P
Post by: SW Blacktail on November 01, 2008, 02:29:44 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on November 01, 2008, 02:32:28 PM
I agree the Washington State bowhunters need to get behind this.
Oh and as to hunting the rut for archery elk. I would have to say that we only get to hut a part of the rut. We only get 2 weeks (which is same as modern firearm permit holders) vs. other western states (Oregon, Idaho, and Montana) who get whole month of September. I would trade 8-21 for 15 to 31 in a heartbeat!
Post by: Bigshooter on November 01, 2008, 03:15:55 PM
Your name says it all.
Post by: rooselk on November 01, 2008, 03:58:50 PM
Why don't you contact the Washington State Bowhunters? They are more than kinda organized for this sort of thing....
That's a very good idea. The WSB has a place at the table where the hunting seasons are decided. I also know that WSB is always looking for input from bowhunters with regard to the archery seasons.
Post by: Houndhunter on November 01, 2008, 04:16:19 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on November 01, 2008, 06:26:22 PM
the way i see it as when are the deer supposed to get a break? archery hunters have it great here nearly 2 months for both deer and elk, how can you comlpain?
I agree. Not only that but if you hunt archery for elk and deer then you can shoot a deer as an "incidental" while elk huntingl.
If archers want to hunt in the rut then purchase a modern tag and hunt with archery gear.
Post by: nwhunter on November 01, 2008, 07:40:54 PM
Post by: bow4elk on November 01, 2008, 07:50:37 PM
the way i see it as when are the deer supposed to get a break? archery hunters have it great here nearly 2 months for both deer and elk, how can you comlpain?
I agree. Not only that but if you hunt archery for elk and deer then you can shoot a deer as an "incidental" while elk huntingl.
If archers want to hunt in the rut then purchase a modern tag and hunt with archery gear.
that's what I'm doing next year...it's driving me NUTS :yike: not hunting the past two weeks. Weather sucked but I'd still have liked to get out there, do some calling and try to make something happen.
Post by: bow4elk on November 01, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
I would rather hunt the first 3 weeks of november than the last 6 weeks of the year.
Me too. In fact, I'd give up all of December for the first two weeks of November.
Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 01, 2008, 10:11:32 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 01, 2008, 10:13:14 PM
If this was the case, every blacktail I know, would trade the 2 1/2 month 667 archery season, for Nov 1-12th.... Hell, give musket hunters the bull rut while your at it...
Post by: blessed on November 01, 2008, 10:35:15 PM
Post by: MooseStock on November 01, 2008, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: Clark33 on November 02, 2008, 04:37:25 AM
Post by: bullcanyon on November 02, 2008, 05:46:44 AM
Post by: Gamblin Guy on November 02, 2008, 08:02:13 AM
WSB was involved in moving our early elk season to Sept 1, we know how well that worked out. Fortunately someone was smart enought to see the conflicts of the holiday weekend that created and moved us back. Everyone wants to hunt the rut but be realistic....
Post by: PA BEN on November 02, 2008, 08:03:53 AM
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Post by: bigbeamhunter on November 02, 2008, 11:54:35 AM
Post by: Wea300mag on November 02, 2008, 09:11:34 PM
Post by: archery288 on November 02, 2008, 09:20:32 PM
As for the season dates we have here in WA... Some of them may not be the best dates or the most ideal times to hunt with a given weapon - however, I will continue to take what the state gives us and I will try my hardest to be successful in that time frame! I don't go out in the woods with the mindset, "Oh well, these aren't the ideal dates to be out here or the ideal time of the year, I sure hope I kill something because the state screwed us once again..."
When I set foot in the woods my mindset is to enjoy the time we are given out there, and put in the effort that I worked so hard on during the off-season training for, and I am going to notch my tag if it's the last thing I do no matter the cirucmstances! Not saying that anyone else on here isn't motivated to notch their tag each and every year, but I truly believe that the highly motivated one's such as myself, will figure out a way to be successful each and every year no matter what is thrown at them... Sure it may be tough at times, but that's why it is called "hunting" and not "killing." Just my :twocents: on the subject at hand...
Post by: archery288 on November 02, 2008, 09:22:41 PM
I've seen post after post from bowhunters saying we all need to stick together. Threads like this cause a lot of hate and discontent between the groups. I think the whole idea should just go away.
Agreed! All this thread is doing is getting everyone worked up on a subject that wont probably happen no matter the arguement's or complaints to the state...
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on November 02, 2008, 09:30:24 PM
Post by: M_ray on November 02, 2008, 09:30:44 PM
I've seen post after post from bowhunters saying we all need to stick together. Threads like this cause a lot of hate and discontent between the groups. I think the whole idea should just go away.
I couldn't agree more Wea300mag! look at the muzzleloaders season >:( ... if anything changes that is where more opportunity should be placed! Well said Archery288 :) IMO there are plenty of other places and methods to hunt bucks in the rut! ... do your research and put yourself in front of them! sanjuankelso you are dreaming just leave it alone!
Post by: Wea300mag on November 02, 2008, 09:33:29 PM
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We don't have to stick together only the one's who want to hunt bt in early november.
You have missed the boat.
Post by: archery288 on November 02, 2008, 09:34:27 PM
QuoteWe don't have to stick together only the one's who want to hunt bt in early november.
You have missed the boat.
:chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on November 02, 2008, 10:07:44 PM
Post by: M_ray on November 02, 2008, 10:12:53 PM
Post by: Ray on November 02, 2008, 10:18:16 PM
I pretty much would like the archery season to stay the same on the blacktails in general. If there was a minor change to a couple of GMUS I wouldn't promote it or really be against it. Having said that - what we have today is fine by me. I did not get my dear this year yet. However I can live with the amount of time which is provided for archery hunters on blacktail deer today and the dates we are currently getting.
Post by: Shedseeker on November 02, 2008, 10:21:53 PM
I hope nobody would be offended by my remarks. Actually I could care less.
So which is it? :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on November 02, 2008, 10:27:26 PM
I hope nobody would be offended by my remarks. Actually I could care less.
I pretty much would like the archery season to stay the same on the blacktails in general. If there was a minor change to a couple of GMUS I wouldn't promote it or really be against it. Having said that - what we have today is fine by me. I did not get my dear this year yet. However I can live with the amount of time which is provided for archery hunters on blacktail deer today and the dates we are currently getting.
I think this is what most are saying here too :)
Post by: Shedseeker on November 02, 2008, 10:29:41 PM
I could care less if they shut down the whole archery blacktail season.
Hope nobody is offended :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: blessed on November 02, 2008, 11:01:23 PM
Sorry Shed, We, many of us have been working for 30 yrs. to get the seasons we have , You want to hunt the rut?
As the boy's have been saying, get a riffle tag and huntit with your bow. It's simple ;)
Post by: Shedseeker on November 03, 2008, 02:27:06 AM
:yike:
Sorry Shed, We, many of us have been working for 30 yrs. to get the seasons we have , You want to hunt the rut?
As the boy's have been saying, get a riffle tag and huntit with your bow. It's simple ;)
I was just being an idiot :dunno: :chuckle:. I don't hunt blacktails, I'm strictly a whitetail and splittail kind of guy.
Post by: PA BEN on November 03, 2008, 04:51:32 AM
Post by: Shedseeker on November 03, 2008, 05:00:30 AM
Gun hunters do not like bow hunters :o That's a fact!!
That is not a fact, that is a retarded statement to make though :tup:
Post by: Tony 270WSM on November 03, 2008, 07:50:23 AM
Thats not good enough though so how about this... archery goes from September 1st through 30th. Modern goes from Oct 11th-12th. Then back to archery for October 18- Nov 30th. Would that make you happy or would you still complain?
Post by: MeatDown on November 03, 2008, 09:45:36 AM
So, Sanjuankelso… (the following is not intended to question you but), Have you been to a WDFW Season Setting Meeting? Or read through the process? Are you a member of a hunting club or group like WSB?
I have attend many over the years, and the primary focus (seems to be - my opinion) is to divide the user groups so that we will get less time out… (my opinion) after witnessing them ask the following question “So, how many of you are happy that the Archery Season is so long?” this caused the room to erupt…
There are several things that WDFW use to set seasons… first is the User Group Success Ratio and second they use Buck to Doe Escapement Ratio. When you look at the numbers (as WDFW) it ends up that each user group statewide ends up with between 20.4% and 24% percent success statewide, excluding the multi season tag, (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/harvest/2007/deer_general.htm ). This has been the target for many years… so it is not likely to change drastically… but it is always good to provide input. Here is the latest efforts for the 2009-2015 Game Management Plan (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/management/2009-2015/index.htm )
As far as the Post-hunting season escapement... “A post-hunting season goal of 15 bucks per 100 does has been established as a state-wide benchmark per the Game Management Plan.” (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/regions/reg5/reg5wild.htm and look under Feb 4, 2008.
Please don’t think that I am saying things are perfect.. because as a current Smokepole shooter I would love to have more days out hunting…. But I also know that based upon the states method this is more than likely not going to happen. (But I will keep trying as should you all).
And lastly… I hope and pray that the state keep the user groups days in the field separated… it made me nervous (and was the cause of changing weapon choice) when I was rifle hunting, even when further than 3-5 miles from a road (dirt), that I would end up with several occasions a season with guys using their scope as binoculars…. I also love the fact that currently only about 18,000 hunters users are in the field with me…
Cheers… and shoot straight :hello:
(P.S. a closing concern is I was on a cruise this past September and talked with hunters from the Midwest and Southeast, and I am very concerned that we are headed in their direction with development and human population getting so large and city people not understanding hunting that we will have more deer and less hunting area, and then the over population of deer that will cause more and more problems)
Shawn
Post by: bigv518 on November 03, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Post by: M_ray on November 03, 2008, 10:46:41 AM
Follow along Tony I am not complaining about the season we have. I am in fact willing to sacrifice total # of hunting days for quality. How about this september 1-21 Archery, september 22-october 8 muzzy, october 10-31 modern, Nov 1-30 archery, Nov 20-december 10 muzzy, december 20-31 modern. I am not at all opposed to either modern firearms or blackpowder hunters or hunting, I have pursued the blacktail for over 20 years with four different weapons and now choose to use a bow. I also hunt whitetail with my rifle in this state occasionaly when i have the chance to take a nephew or niece over to the Nw corner for their first deer. The discussion on this forum will have no more effect on the outcome of the subject than will any of the jabs at me on my love for pursuing the BT, I Love my Rifle, I love my bow and I love to hunt period. If only a couple of archery hunters who read this contact the state and the idea is considered, great!! If not come the 19th I will climb into my stand, sit in the rain for hours on end and still enjoy every minute I have out there. Like I said before it doesn't hurt anyone to ask.
So let me follow along with you sanjuankelso ... you come off as a very intelligent and articulate guy so let me see if I can get this into my little pea brain:
How about this september 1-21 Archery, september 22-october 8 muzzy, october 10-31 modern, Nov 1-30 archery, Nov 20-december 10 muzzy, december 20-31 modern.
Humm??? now you see why you are in the minority here? lets put a 4 month slaughter on the animals with at the most a two day break in there and a cross over on a couple of methods ... Oh whoops I almost didn't see the 10 day break you are giving them after 121 days of pressure just so the modern guys can mop up the remainder of the year!
The WDFW eliminated the permits in the Umtanum because of a triple jeopardy on the heard due to the fact that they were hunted up high then during the general season then during the permit they also eliminated the permits in the Teanaway for Archery and Muzzleloaders in Sept and October because the herd size had shrunk ... Do you really think that there isn't a reason there is a week or two between seasons to give the animals a break from the pressure? Or did you think that no-one had thought "gee we could lengthen the season here and there with no regard to the animals and keep all user groups happy?"
So let me ask you ... in two years when the heard size diminishes what do you propose then? Whats your grand plan to bring the herd size back?
In two years when you cant find a deer you'll want it changed back to the way it was in the first place!
:dunno: I gotta wonder sometimes (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fdarwin%2F2.gif&hash=e304e9c4d5556e13609fef57c11646c41347af3f) At least this may give you a clearer picture as to why you are in the minority on this one.
Good luck!
Post by: bucklucky on November 03, 2008, 10:57:53 AM
Post by: M_ray on November 03, 2008, 11:09:52 AM
I agree with w Sanjuan kelso on this 1. Scrap the early season bow; without baiting its somewhat a waste of time. Baiting should be out, and deer bowhunters should get the first 2+ weeks of Nov. exclusively w/no guns goin off. I suppose we could share this time w/ muzzleloading but let the bowhunters have a real opportunity, before letting the yahoos of modern firearms put the spook on. Late (rut) bowhunters cant even scout, without interupting someones gun hunt. What a joke! :twocents:It's pretty well known that Blacktails do not come into baits well and that the baiting works well to control the Whitetail herd sizes so that's not an issue.
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I suppose we could share this time w/ muzzleloadingWow that's mighty kind of ya considering the muzzy's get a 6 day season!
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but let the bowhunters have a real opportunity, before letting the yahoos of modern firearms put the spook on. Late (rut) bowhunters cant even scout, without interupting someones gun hunt. What a joke! :twocents:So you are above other methods cause you are a bowhunter? and moderns are yahoos? I hunt with all methods so what does that make me? You should rethink your post a bit. You are coming off as disrespectful and unintelligent. This is exactly why others have said let it go!!!! there is no reason to sling mud between user groups and this is a perfect example! You don't even know who you are offending when you make a comment like that, and we are better off being on the same side than splitting up the groups on this one.
Post by: bigv518 on November 03, 2008, 11:20:02 AM
Post by: huntnphool on November 03, 2008, 11:23:01 AM
and deer bowhunters should get the first 2+ weeks of Nov. exclusively w/no guns goin off.
"Tonight when I chase the dragon, The water may change to cherry wine, And the silver will turn to gold, Time out of mind"
I can see you are a fellow Steely Dan fan but short of tonights pipe dream it will never happen, very funny statement though, I can only assume you were joking :lol4:
You have forgot one very important point too, F&W are not dummies, any hunting done in the frist couple to three weeks of November will forever come at a premium from now on, whether its a raffle tag, permits or auction tag. It is by far too big of a revenue stream for them to give away for free and the days of old are long past. Best you forget how it used to be if you have been hunting as long as I because those days are gone. If you werent hunting back then then you will never know the difference, and you're going to be better off for it too. For those of us that did its a major source of frustration. :twocents:
Post by: M_ray on November 03, 2008, 11:30:01 AM
You know the more I read this post the more it looks as a classic case of the few that don't harvest are bitter and it must be someone else's fault so I'll have better odds if I could hunt during the peek of the rut!
Well I shot a 4 point BT with my bow on Dec 5th one year that was rutting heavily and is the only reason I got him! So I don't see whrere the problem is with the seasons. Oh except for the fact that if you are sitting in a stand all season and not seeing anything sanjuankelso did you ever think of moving your stand location and not the seasons? :dunno:
Post by: bigv518 on November 03, 2008, 11:34:10 AM
Post by: M_ray on November 03, 2008, 11:41:34 AM
Dont mean to be offensive and not petitioning for anything. Sorry i'f i came off that way. I'm no expert and you clearly are more knowledgeable than me. Not trying to divide anyone, but i personally feel that bowhunters should get first shot during the rut even if it was for 1 weekend
It's all cool Thanks for that ... I'm not trying to act more knowledgeable I'm just trying to point out the big picture. It's easy sometimes to have blinders on epically when you are passionate about something but that makes it hard to see the whole picture as others have pointed out they have worked very hard to get and keep the seasons we have and again this isn't most of the guy's first rodeo so they know that revisiting it may mean steps backwards just so a few can have their BT season changed? Sometimes the change isn't for the better ... and another thing I can see your passionate about bowhunting but don't forget you have more opportunity than all others! And in days of old in the Colockum it's proven that even bow hunters know how to put the spook on heards too! ;)
Post by: bigv518 on November 03, 2008, 11:49:04 AM
Post by: huntnphool on November 03, 2008, 12:06:05 PM
But, one weekend b it a pipe dream or not shouldnt cause such an uproar.That's what money does it complicates things
Well when you have all three groups wanting to hunt the same two weeks its always going to cause an uproar. Kind of like giving one of your kids a piece of candy and not the other :yike:
As far as the money complicating things, not really. If they can get people to pay more for it why would they give it away, not complicated at all really ;)
Post by: bigv518 on November 03, 2008, 12:07:42 PM
Post by: deaddog on November 03, 2008, 01:26:09 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 03, 2008, 02:14:44 PM
no static at all you joker
FM, no static at all :chuckle: Different song but still love it.
Post by: M_ray on November 03, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
Post by: Tony 270WSM on November 03, 2008, 04:24:03 PM
Personally I think nobody should get the first two weeks of November. The deer need time to do what they do and be left unpressured so they can breed without dodging hunters. To wish otherwise is just simple greed on your part. Enjoy what you have and stop looking for more.
And I'm not just a rifle hunter
Post by: Antlershed on November 03, 2008, 04:29:21 PM
Post by: M_ray on November 03, 2008, 04:36:15 PM
I love that one :chuckle: I got to use it twice today!!!!
Post by: BlackTail on November 04, 2008, 12:22:10 PM
Post by: bigv518 on November 04, 2008, 12:49:20 PM
Hunting that first week of september with a bow is better than the rut IMO. Bucks everywhere trying to pack on the pounds in the clearcuts and are pretty easy to see that time of year, I wouldnt mind hunting with a rifle that first week. I gaurantee a big blacktail down ;) I vote keep ot how it is. Oh by the way, my wife buys a rifle tag and hunts with her bow during the rut.Hey lucky: Thx 4 info. never hunted that early b4. From out of state. I'm assuming bucks are still in velvet 1st week of September? Shorts weather lol. Does any time of day seem better in early to find bt's foraging? Prob dusk huh! Bet the wife gets deer pushed to her alot during modern. GL to ya!
Post by: Ray on November 04, 2008, 02:09:41 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 04, 2008, 02:11:23 PM
sanjuankelso you are persistent.
You got that right!!!
Post by: Broken Arrow on November 04, 2008, 02:40:13 PM
Post by: BlackTail on November 04, 2008, 03:27:58 PM
Post by: elkaholic_74 on November 04, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Post by: M_ray on November 04, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
I will say again you can hunt the modern season with a bow and get your blacktails in the rut! But you are not going to get both Elk and Deer for archery in the rut and I for one would never in a million years give up the archery Elk rut for the Blacktail rut ... so no support from me on this one ... good luck!
Post by: dreamingbig on November 04, 2008, 07:20:55 PM
One thing I haven't heard you address is "greed". I mean I don't want to start a war between different methods of hunting, but I also don't see how this can come off as anthing less than greed. You said blacktails so I'll stick with the west side. Rifle hunters get a combined (deer and elk) 34 days to hunt, muzzleloaders get 61-68 days and archers get 91-114 days depending on what GMU you hunt the late seasons in. Archers and muzzleloaders already get to hunt the rut for elk. Archers also have the option to buy a muzzleloader or rifle tag, if they like that season better, and hunt it with their archery equipment. Rifle hunters have no such option. Now, you want rifle hunters to combine their deer and elk season, shortening their days in the field and increasing the number of hunters at the same time, to get out of the way so you can hunt deer during the rut too? Tell me how that's not being greedy and how you're thinking about all different hunting methods here. Did I miss anything??
I haven't checked your numbers so I will take it that you are mostly right (minus accounting for 14 days for modern rifle bull permit hunters) but you failed to take into account that some bowhunters would be willing to reduce the total number of days in the field (last 10 days of Dec and first 10 days of Sep for example for deer) in exchange for 7-10 good days at beginning of November.
Also, modern firearm guys can buy an archery permit and hunt with a bow, nothing is stopping them. Except for perhaps the increased difficulty... ;)
Post by: dreamingbig on November 04, 2008, 07:50:58 PM
Archery season is mostly pre and early/to mid rut. In some years, muzzleloaders are the ones hunting the peak rut. Just my 2 cents.
Post by: BlackTail on November 04, 2008, 08:25:56 PM
One thing I haven't heard you address is "greed". I mean I don't want to start a war between different methods of hunting, but I also don't see how this can come off as anthing less than greed. You said blacktails so I'll stick with the west side. Rifle hunters get a combined (deer and elk) 34 days to hunt, muzzleloaders get 61-68 days and archers get 91-114 days depending on what GMU you hunt the late seasons in. Archers and muzzleloaders already get to hunt the rut for elk. Archers also have the option to buy a muzzleloader or rifle tag, if they like that season better, and hunt it with their archery equipment. Rifle hunters have no such option. Now, you want rifle hunters to combine their deer and elk season, shortening their days in the field and increasing the number of hunters at the same time, to get out of the way so you can hunt deer during the rut too? Tell me how that's not being greedy and how you're thinking about all different hunting methods here. Did I miss anything??
I haven't checked your numbers so I will take it that you are mostly right (minus accounting for 14 days for modern rifle bull permit hunters) but you failed to take into account that some bowhunters would be willing to reduce the total number of days in the field (last 10 days of Dec and first 10 days of Sep for example for deer) in exchange for 7-10 good days at beginning of November.
Also, modern firearm guys can buy an archery permit and hunt with a bow, nothing is stopping them. Except for perhaps the increased difficulty... ;)
You're last statement is exactly what I'm saying. If you want to hunt during a certain season, then find out what weapon you can use and go, not pick your weapon first and get the season changed!!
And to your last post, some would argue that the pre and early/to mid rut is the best time to hunt bulls. Not after they have rounded up a harem of cows that they don't want to leave. Just my :twocents:
Post by: M_ray on November 04, 2008, 08:42:01 PM
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Archery season is mostly pre and early/to mid rut. In some years, muzzleloaders are the ones hunting the peak rut. Just my 2 cents.
dreamingbig I never said the PEAK i just said rut! :) And I agree with you note the muzzleloader below! ;)
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Post by: TheKid#10 on November 04, 2008, 08:51:27 PM
After tonight there should be some billboard space available if you would like to post that pic there too. LOFL
Post by: M_ray on November 04, 2008, 08:57:04 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on November 04, 2008, 09:11:50 PM
Happy hunting to all. Still waiting on a branch antlered bull permit...