Post by: chukar58 on October 21, 2013, 08:46:39 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 21, 2013, 08:52:40 AM
Post by: Blackjaw on October 21, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
Post by: Tbar on October 21, 2013, 08:58:37 AM
More power to the guy he found a way to hunt, not an excuse not to. I have no problem with it. I wish the hunter would post a pic if the car fully loaded.
Post by: Hunterman on October 21, 2013, 09:02:57 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: chukar58 on October 21, 2013, 09:05:05 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 21, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
The vehicle was a suburban style SUV with plenty of empty space in the back for the deer. :sry
Did the dead carcass have tics?
Post by: JLS on October 21, 2013, 09:12:10 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 21, 2013, 09:12:49 AM
:yeah:The vehicle was a suburban style SUV with plenty of empty space in the back for the deer. :sry
Did the dead carcass have tics?
and I am beginning to agree that hunters maybe should follow suit and come out of the closet and be recognized. I used to think it was best to be quiet and not draw attention...older I get less I friggin care about everyone else their opinion doesnt matter as much as it used to. :dunno:
Post by: huntandjeep on October 21, 2013, 09:30:36 AM
The vehicle was a suburban style SUV with plenty of empty space in the back for the deer. :sry. Did you look in the back of his SUV? Maybe he had it loaded up with camping gear.
Post by: Old Man Yager on October 21, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
Post by: baldopepper on October 21, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 21, 2013, 09:45:16 AM
Post by: Netminder01 on October 21, 2013, 09:46:18 AM
Post by: seth30 on October 21, 2013, 09:47:00 AM
Non hunters opinions don't really matter much to me, except when it comes to the voting booth. The reality is we're very likely outnumbered in this state and referendums seem to be the weapon of choice. I think this type of thing is just daring the non hunting PETA type to get another referendum going. The thoughts of that in Washington is kind of scary. Not saying I think it's right, but I'd just as soon kind of stay under the radar when it comes to this sort of thing. I miss the old days when you could proudly display your buck or big elk in the back of your truck, but I think the reality of today is you're better off keeping a low profile except to your fellow hunters. :twocents:
[/quote Well Put!
Post by: seth30 on October 21, 2013, 09:47:48 AM
Hopefully he did not drive into Bellevue... SPUD got pulled over for a rack hanging out of his truck... legally taken, legally tagged but the Bellevue officer just didn't think it was good to be driving in Bellevue with horns sticking out of his truck. No joke. I think this was a year ago - maybe 2 tops.Did he get a ticket? I would have called that in if I was stopped for some BS by a cop.
Post by: rtspring on October 21, 2013, 09:49:50 AM
Tired of the "we should hide what we di crowd" im not hiding anything! Im proud of what I do...
Post by: chukar58 on October 21, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
Post by: lokidog on October 21, 2013, 09:52:54 AM
:tup: Show it to the whole world!!!!!! Its our god given right!!!!!!
Unfortunately, in THIS state, it's not. :bash:
I used to drive to my deer hunting location on a motorcycle, never did get one those times, but thought it would be hilarious to have it siting behind me.
Maybe hang a sign on the deer so the sensitive folks can see.
See this Deer?
It Will Feed My Family
Organic and Healthy
Post by: runamuk on October 21, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
:tup: Show it to the whole world!!!!!! Its our god given right!!!!!!
Unfortunately, in THIS state, it's not. :bash:
I used to drive to my deer hunting location on a motorcycle, never did get one those times, but thought it would be hilarious to have it siting behind me.
Maybe hang a sign on the deer so the sensitive folks can see.
See this Deer?
It Will Feed My Family
Organic and Healthy
OMG this is exactly what one of the bikers did after they slaughtered a hog he tied it to his sissy bar and drove around with it on the back of his harley.....there were pics somewhere at one time...then they roasted that thing ....course this was back in the 70's in Duvall when things were a little different......hippies and rebels and outlaws.....they hunted and guns were everywhere.
Post by: h20hunter on October 21, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 21, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
I have no problem with it as long as its tastefully packed. You will never please the liberal anti hunters. Goal is to not tip the scales on a non hunting or non anti-hunter.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on October 21, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
Post by: silverdalesauer on October 21, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
Interesting perspective Yelm Hunter and thanks for sharing that with me. I think wdfw would disagree with your opinion and I would encourage you to read page 91 of the 2013 hunting regs. "Hunters code of conduct"
I was just going to say this very thing. Not that I care either way, but my son just took the Hunter's Ed Class and they specifically taught that when you get your deer, not to put it on top of your car. They painstakingly went to the point of telling the class not to even allow the antlers or head stick up out of your truck bed or be seen in the window of your SUV.
Personally, I think that's going too far. If I have the right to hunt and the right to post a bumper sticker on my car that I love to hunt... then I would expect that I have the right to haul my deer as I see fit too. I get the whole ethics thing, but then again... one can only go so far.
Post by: chukar58 on October 21, 2013, 10:12:41 AM
Post by: JLS on October 21, 2013, 10:13:54 AM
WHO CARES WERE YOU PUT YOUR DEER!!! Put it on your hood for all I care!! If you care about were someone else is putting there animal that THEY shot and that THEY tagged then YOU are NOT HUNTER!!
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You might want to go back and study up on how and why hound hunting and bear baiting were made illegal via the ballot box.
You think those tree huggers knew anything about hunting?? Nope!! I still see tons of bears getting killed..
I didn't say they knew anything about hunting. They didn't have to.
Post by: Netminder01 on October 21, 2013, 10:21:24 AM
Hopefully he did not drive into Bellevue... SPUD got pulled over for a rack hanging out of his truck... legally taken, legally tagged but the Bellevue officer just didn't think it was good to be driving in Bellevue with horns sticking out of his truck. No joke. I think this was a year ago - maybe 2 tops.Did he get a ticket? I would have called that in if I was stopped for some BS by a cop.
No Ticket... but the cop wanted to. He called into the state double checking the season, checked him for warrants, etc. He was actually pulled over for the game but did not get a ticket no matter how hard the copper tried.
SPUD should chime in for the details, I don't want to muck anything up.
Post by: CP on October 21, 2013, 10:25:55 AM
Late yesterday afternoon I was traveling on interstate 90 and could not help but notice a deer on the top of a vehicle! I am sure the hunter was quite proud of the deer that he had harvested and wanted to show it off. However for it to be on public display as he was driving to liberalville could be viewed in poor taste. Sorry he was not driving a Subaru. What is your opinion of a car top deer and a busy interstate travel day? I am not saying that it is right or wrong to show your kill just wondering what other members think.
Good for him. :tup: We need more hunting pride.
Post by: lostbackpacker on October 21, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
I collected a bunch of elk hides at the end of last season after everyone had abandoned their camps. I put them on my rack that goes in the hitch of my truck. Went to visit a buddy of mine way out in the sticks with the hides still on my truck. Couple days later my buddy called me to say that a game warden came and visited him a day after I left. They had a report of someone poaching elk that drove a truck that matched mine.
Post by: Ripper on October 21, 2013, 10:37:03 AM
Post by: stw on October 21, 2013, 10:40:30 AM
My truck to come home from hunting camp
the last thing gos in is the head right on top so
Every tree and wolf hugger can see it. Its a sad day for hunters
when you have to hide the fact that you hunt
not this hunter mines right on top for all my fellow hunters
To see
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on October 21, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
Hopefully he did not drive into Bellevue... SPUD got pulled over for a rack hanging out of his truck... legally taken, legally tagged but the Bellevue officer just didn't think it was good to be driving in Bellevue with horns sticking out of his truck. No joke. I think this was a year ago - maybe 2 tops.Did he get a ticket? I would have called that in if I was stopped for some BS by a cop.
No Ticket... but the cop wanted to. He called into the state double checking the season, checked him for warrants, etc. He was actually pulled over for the game but did not get a ticket no matter how hard the copper tried.
SPUD should chime in for the details, I don't want to muck anything up.
Yeah I was driving home from an elk hunt. Didn't even have the rack hanging out, it was a single hoof from one of the quarters. I made very sure to get most of the animal out of sight, since I live in the most retarded area of the state - I didn't really feel like getting my car keyed or anything. I look back, saw LEO flip a u-turn and put his lights on. I was sure he was going to pass me as I was going 33 in a 35 - he pulls me over. Asks why I have a dead animal in the bed of my truck. I said I shot it this afternoon - he tells me it's not deer season, I responded with - 'well good thing it's an elk'... He didn't like that. He checked my license, asked if I had any felonies, etc.
He calls WDFW to run my info, claimed that it wasn't elk season - WDFW told him to look at my tag, and if it's tagged correctly and everything adds up, then there is no problem. He requested a WDFW officer come and check it out since he was unsure what a correct tag should look like. They declined as there were none in the area (go figure).
He said "today is my lucky day" and I responded "for what?" He just giggled and walked away. I was heated, but didn't want to start any issues.
Post by: PolarBear on October 21, 2013, 10:47:48 AM
Post by: briancorneal on October 21, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
:yeah:The vehicle was a suburban style SUV with plenty of empty space in the back for the deer. :sry
Did the dead carcass have tics?
and I am beginning to agree that hunters maybe should follow suit and come out of the closet and be recognized. I used to think it was best to be quiet and not draw attention...older I get less I friggin care about everyone else their opinion doesnt matter as much as it used to. :dunno:
Post by: Johnb317 on October 21, 2013, 10:48:49 AM
I see it as a responsibility to future generations to be an ambassador for hunting.... and hopefully prevent the ban of hunting by popular vote.
Let's not give the anti-hunters any ammunition when at all possible.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on October 21, 2013, 10:52:49 AM
Hopefully he did not drive into Bellevue... SPUD got pulled over for a rack hanging out of his truck... legally taken, legally tagged but the Bellevue officer just didn't think it was good to be driving in Bellevue with horns sticking out of his truck. No joke. I think this was a year ago - maybe 2 tops.Did he get a ticket? I would have called that in if I was stopped for some BS by a cop.
No Ticket... but the cop wanted to. He called into the state double checking the season, checked him for warrants, etc. He was actually pulled over for the game but did not get a ticket no matter how hard the copper tried.
SPUD should chime in for the details, I don't want to muck anything up.
Yeah I was driving home from an elk hunt. Didn't even have the rack hanging out, it was a single hoof from one of the quarters. I made very sure to get most of the animal out of sight, since I live in the most retarded area of the state - I didn't really feel like getting my car keyed or anything. I look back, saw LEO flip a u-turn and put his lights on. I was sure he was going to pass me as I was going 33 in a 35 - he pulls me over. Asks why I have a dead animal in the bed of my truck. I said I shot it this afternoon - he tells me it's not deer season, I responded with - 'well good thing it's an elk'... He didn't like that. He checked my license, asked if I had any felonies, etc.
He calls WDFW to run my info, claimed that it wasn't elk season - WDFW told him to look at my tag, and if it's tagged correctly and everything adds up, then there is no problem. He requested a WDFW officer come and check it out since he was unsure what a correct tag should look like. They declined as there were none in the area (go figure).
He said "today is my lucky day" and I responded "for what?" He just giggled and walked away. I was heated, but didn't want to start any issues.
:lol4: Would have loved to seen the look on his face!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2013, 11:04:12 AM
There are two issues here and some are lumping them into one. One issue is whether you should be proud of your kill. Of course you should, especially if it took a lot of work and skill to accomplish. Secondly, should you have your kill displayed on top of your car. Some people are saying, "I don't give a crap who thinks what. I'll tie it to the front bumper if I feel like it." Some are saying that they're more sensitive to the tastes of others by not throwing it up on the roof. Someone very astutely pointed out we lost our privileges to hound and bait hunt due to bad press. I believe that this is the crux of the matter.
You don't have a God-given right to hunt in WA. It's a privilege and it's one we can easily lose, as we did with hounding. As stated in previous threads on the subject of hunter's rights and privileges, less than 4% of our population hunts. So, if you don't give a crap about what the non-hunters think, you're basically pitting yourself against a whopping 96% of the state's voters. I don't think a single hunter is implying you should be ashamed of your kill. However, the antis do whatever they have to to appeal to the mainstream. If we just thumb our noses at everyone and act as if we don't give a damn what anyone thinks, we'll lose more of our privileges. My :twocents:
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Post by: Blackjaw on October 21, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
Heres a few of mine....bring them home on top of the lucky bronco every time...my dad won't get rid of the bronco because of the deer we get with it :chuckle:...I don't want to throw them inside and get ticks and blood all over...also it keeps the meat cool on top :tup:
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I had one up on top of a Bronco II back in the 80s. :tup:
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on October 21, 2013, 11:13:31 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on October 21, 2013, 11:14:35 AM
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on October 21, 2013, 11:29:54 AM
Really? what the differences if someone puts the deer in the back of a truck...people can see that most times and besides typically after a week long hunt its loaded on top of gear anyways. I have an FJ and not going to put an elk or deer in my rig its going on top in game bags or on the hitch rack. You would totally stink up a vehicle with a dead deer or elk inside..
Did it. It's gross and I will not do it again. I had an TRD FJ and had a deer in the back. It was a long 3 hour drive with the windows down. It got pretty smelly.
Post by: Bob33 on October 21, 2013, 11:31:03 AM
Post by: wafisherman on October 21, 2013, 11:33:18 AM
I live in an older residential area with about 3/4 of an acre. But it is kind a rural (just outside city limits of Monroe), and I have a little backyard farm. On any given day you may drive pass my place and see us out there, with the kids, plucking the turkey in the driveway, the hog butcher hanging and skinning a hog in the driveway, salmon and steelhead being cleaned, and so forth. Fun to see the different looks as folks slow down and get an education... Luckily my neighbors are supportive. I had to put down a wounded duck the other day and fired off 3 fast shots from my 22. Neighbor sees me a few seconds later from across the street "hog day?" "nope, just an injured duck". And life goes on as usual. We skinned and quartered that deer in my driveway too. Some people forget where meat comes from. Or just refuse to think about it. I am proud to be able to provide my family meat that wasn't raised on some huge corporate farm and full of who knows what kind of steroids and antibiotics. Wild game or home raised!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2013, 11:37:35 AM
If carrying a dead animal on the hood or roof is the only viable option, then so be it. If it's done simply to show off (including to the 96% of the population that doesn't hunt), it is not a respectful way to display a dead animal and will turn off more non-hunters than it will appeal to.
Well said.
Post by: tgray on October 21, 2013, 11:48:46 AM
Post by: tbrady on October 21, 2013, 01:17:32 PM
WHO CARES WERE YOU PUT YOUR DEER!!! Put it on your hood for all I care!! If you care about were someone else is putting there animal that THEY shot and that THEY tagged then YOU are NOT HUNTER!!
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Wow, [edited by tbrady] I absolutely don't agree. So you believe I'm not a hunter because I take care not to broadcast that I have killed something? I get ticked when I see people hauling their deer/elk whatever out in the open for all to see (I'm not talking about elk antlers or large muleys that just won't fit in the truck bed). There are plenty of small kids who shouldn't have to see it.
And on top of it, our state has WAAAAAAY more anti-hunters (oh and I guess I fall in that category according to your definition) and they have a lot more power collectively than the small group of people that hunt.
Sigh, it's posts like this that make me fear for hunting in WA state. [edited by tbrady]
Post by: boneaddict on October 21, 2013, 02:06:31 PM
Post by: tbrady on October 21, 2013, 02:27:25 PM
I edited my original post a bit in case in seemed like I was attacking someone...
Post by: boneaddict on October 21, 2013, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: wafisherman on October 21, 2013, 02:48:34 PM
There are plenty of small kids who shouldn't have to see it.
What? Small kids should not see a dead animal??? I've taken my kids fishing with me since before they could walk and have watched me gut and clean countless fish. They also love to watch and help with the butchering of animals on my little farm. They only thing I shield them from is the actual kill shot and often crazy blood spray and twitching that can be kinda disturbing. But still part of the process that when ready, they can watch and learn from as well.
If you can take your kid to mc Donald's and let them eat 'chicken' nuggets and a burger, you can also teach them where that meat 'magically' comes from. Otherwise, they'll end up some liberal tree hugging enviro hippy vegan sissy boy who has never actually set foot in a forest :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on October 21, 2013, 02:50:32 PM
The problem is that neither you nor I will each them where meat comes from when they see the dead animal on the hood. The liberal tree hugging enviro hippy vegan sissy boy dad or mom will, and it won't be favorable towards hunting.There are plenty of small kids who shouldn't have to see it.
What? Small kids should not see a dead animal??? I've taken my kids fishing with me since before they could walk and have watched me gut and clean countless fish. They also love to watch and help with the butchering of animals on my little farm. They only thing I shield them from is the actual kill shot and often crazy blood spray and twitching that can be kinda disturbing. But still part of the process that when ready, they can watch and learn from as well.
If you can take your kid to mc Donald's and let them each 'chicken' nuggets and a burger, you can also teach them where that meat 'magically' comes from. Otherwise, they'll end up some liberal tree hugging enviro hippy vegan sissy boy who has never actually set foot in a forest :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 21, 2013, 02:55:34 PM
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Post by: tbrady on October 21, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
I will never forget the look of absolute despair on many of those little kindergarteners faces (and some tears). A lot of young kids see deer more as pets and not something you would eat. My 3yo has "helped" me butcher a deer before but that doesn't mean his 3yo buddy should see it. I have plenty of friends who have kids that would be very upset to see a dead deer on someones car or truck etc.
Like others have said, hunting is not a right and we should do everything we can to protect it. Which means being sensitive to the 6,621,131 people in WA state that do not hunt. You can say you don't care what other people think all day long but wait until it's against the law to hunt and see if you don't care.
Post by: wafisherman on October 21, 2013, 03:54:10 PM
It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Show me a 300lb cheeseburger, and if I had a Honda accord, it would have to ride on the roof :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on October 21, 2013, 03:58:07 PM
Real hunters don't hunt with Accords. It's rule #53. :)It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Show me a 300lb cheeseburger, and if I had a Honda accord, it would have to ride on the roof :chuckle:
It would be an interesting sight to see.
Post by: wafisherman on October 21, 2013, 03:58:42 PM
True story, about 15 years ago I pulled out in front of a school bus on a busy highway. I had a small whitetail deer I had just shot under the tonneu cover with the tailgate closed. Well the dang tailgate opened up as I pulled out and the deer slid out into the middle of the highway.
I will never forget the look of absolute despair on many of those little kindergarteners faces (and some tears). A lot of young kids see deer more as pets and not something you would eat. My 3yo has "helped" me butcher a deer before but that doesn't mean his 3yo buddy should see it. I have plenty of friends who have kids that would be very upset to see a dead deer on someones car or truck etc.
Like others have said, hunting is not a right and we should do everything we can to protect it. Which means being sensitive to the 6,621,131 people in WA state that do not hunt. You can say you don't care what other people think all day long but wait until it's against the law to hunt and see if you don't care.
My sons would be crying at the waste of good meat!!! Don't assume you know what those tears were about...
8)
Any given day, driving down the road, you'll see some pretty nasty, bloody, guts hanging out, brutal stuff. Or, if like me when I was a kid, see your own pet killedby your own school bus. It is just part of life and kids of all ages see it quite often. Turn on TV and see it on nature shows. Turn on the xbox and they play it. Even the parent favorite 'mine craft' little kid friendly game has the kids killing animals for food....
Post by: wafisherman on October 21, 2013, 04:00:38 PM
Real hunters don't hunt with Accords. It's rule #53. :)It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Show me a 300lb cheeseburger, and if I had a Honda accord, it would have to ride on the roof :chuckle:
It would be an interesting sight to see.
Hehe, yeah. But I saw all kinds of rigs on opening day and had to chuckle at the thought of what they would do if they got their deer. Maybe his truck broke down and he had to take his wife's car? Would I cancel my trip if my truck wouldn't be an option? Tough call :dunno:
Post by: chukar58 on October 21, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 21, 2013, 05:18:46 PM
It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.No, but I have put slices of bologna on the hood of someone's car and a hot dog on their antenna. :chuckle:
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Post by: rtspring on October 21, 2013, 05:23:08 PM
It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.No, but I have put slices of bologna on the hood of someone's car and a hot dog on their antenna. :chuckle:
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Respect?? Uh. You put a bullet or a broadhead through its heart!!! Ha ha I doubt the animal cares how it rides to the butcher..
Post by: MasterTracker on October 21, 2013, 06:28:20 PM
KISS MY GRITS.... :IBCOOL:
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Post by: patton1 on October 21, 2013, 06:42:30 PM
Like others have said, hunting is not a right and we should do everything we can to protect it. Which means being sensitive to the 6,621,131 people in WA state that do not hunt. You can say you don't care what other people think all day long but wait until it's against the law to hunt and see if you don't care.
I can see both sides to this whole topic except for one thing...
In my mind hunting is a "right". I follow they're rules to the tee but never will I feel that it's a privilege that the government has so generously bestowed upon me. And if or when hunting is outlawed, I just might be an outlaw. Hopefully that day will never come. What a mess.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on October 21, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
I did see some other hunters that had killed deer and covered them with a blue tarp as not to advertise. So I guess you could put a deer on top of your car and cover it with a blue tarp. What if you had a doe tag would you drive home show boating your doe kill..... Just wondering
You know what they say when one assumes! :o
Post by: Bob33 on October 21, 2013, 06:57:31 PM
Sure. And I bet when your son or wife dies you throw them in the ground and kick dirt on them, right? I doubt they care.It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.No, but I have put slices of bologna on the hood of someone's car and a hot dog on their antenna. :chuckle:
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Respect?? Uh. You put a bullet or a broadhead through its heart!!! Ha ha I doubt the animal cares how it rides to the butcher..
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KISS MY GRITS.... :IBCOOL:
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Hehe, yeah. But I saw all kinds of rigs on opening day and had to chuckle at the thought of what they would do if they got their deer. Maybe his truck broke down and he had to take his wife's car? Would I cancel my trip if my truck wouldn't be an option? Tough call :dunno:if you saw the article in Bugle magazine, that's exactly what happened with this woman's elk, her truck was in the shop and she went out and got it and a farmer helped her put it on top of her little Dodge colt, article said she got many thumbs-up and flipped off a few times while on I-90 in MT.
here's another but I don't know anything about it
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 21, 2013, 07:06:44 PM
Sure. And I bet when your son or wife dies you throw them in the ground and kick dirt on them, right? I doubt they care.It's a matter of respect for the animal you have harvested. Throwing it on the hood doesn't seems like a worthy way to do that.No, but I have put slices of bologna on the hood of someone's car and a hot dog on their antenna. :chuckle:
Do you put hamburger you buy at Safeway on the hood? :dunno:
Respect?? Uh. You put a bullet or a broadhead through its heart!!! Ha ha I doubt the animal cares how it rides to the butcher..
Huh...........
Bob, you wouldn't consider grinding up an BBQ'ing you child would you?
Post by: ICEMAN on October 21, 2013, 07:14:58 PM
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 21, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Someone please remind me of any single thing hunters can do to improve our perceived impression in the eyes of the anti hunting left. Name it, since I don't remember it.
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
:yeah:
Post by: bassquatch on October 21, 2013, 07:33:16 PM
Someone please remind me of any single thing hunters can do to improve our perceived impression in the eyes of the anti hunting left. Name it, since I don't remember it.
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
AMEN! :tup:
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on October 21, 2013, 07:54:09 PM
Someone please remind me of any single thing hunters can do to improve our perceived impression in the eyes of the anti hunting left. Name it, since I don't remember it.:tup: :tup:
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
Post by: baldopepper on October 21, 2013, 07:57:22 PM
Post by: rtspring on October 21, 2013, 08:02:36 PM
Post by: runningboard on October 21, 2013, 08:09:15 PM
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I'm getting pretty close to that 70 year old mark now, and I've seen a lot things change that I never would have believed would happen-I wouldn't want this issue to be one more. Sometimes we hunters are our own worst enimies.voice of experience, thanks for your input sir :tup:
Post by: Dan-o on October 21, 2013, 10:02:53 PM
Someone please remind me of any single thing hunters can do to improve our perceived impression in the eyes of the anti hunting left. Name it, since I don't remember it.
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
Do you have the right? OF COURSE YOU DO.
But just because you have the right does not mean that you are exercising common sense by insisting on using that right.
For instance, you have the right to wear a speedo in public....... but really, please spare us.
I see no value in turning non-hunters into anti-hunters.
Post by: Dan-o on October 21, 2013, 10:07:22 PM
When rainbow stickers are not shown, and peta stickers are not shown, when I love my dogs stickers are not shown, etc. I might hide my kill from the public eye!! But we all know that isnt going to happen. Do those people who get offended know what goes on in a slaughter house???
I hunt.
I kill big game.
I'm quick to brag with a pic to friends that I know will appreciate it.
I also know plenty of people who are offended by the sight of a carcass. Their sensibilities are different than mine. So what? Does that mean that I'm exercising my rights by repulsing them, or does that mean that I've needlessly alienated another non hunter, possibly turning them into an anti-hunter? You might be doing more harm than good..... Besides, you can get a tarp at Harbor Freight for $2.
Post by: rtspring on October 21, 2013, 10:47:43 PM
Someone please remind me of any single thing hunters can do to improve our perceived impression in the eyes of the anti hunting left. Name it, since I don't remember it.
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
Do you have the right? OF COURSE YOU DO.
But just because you have the right does not mean that you are exercising common sense by insisting on using that right.
For instance, you have the right to wear a speedo in public....... but really, please spare us.
I see no value in turning non-hunters into anti-hunters.
Some of us see NO VALUE in caring what that side really thinks!! Ive heard enough about hurting someones feelings... Screw them!!
Do we need them to approve of hunting?? No we sure as hell dont!!
They frickin hate us! No matter what we do they will hate us...
Post by: bobcat on October 22, 2013, 08:34:35 AM
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Post by: runamuk on October 22, 2013, 08:55:24 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 09:04:57 AM
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 22, 2013, 09:08:30 AM
Post by: Odell on October 22, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Someone please remind me of any single thing hunters can do to improve our perceived impression in the eyes of the anti hunting left. Name it, since I don't remember it.
Lets face it, nothing we do can improve our image. Not in my opinion atleast.
I clean the woods, hasn't helped me yet, those areas are now closed to shooting.
I report all violators I have seen. Nobody knows of this. The liberals will continue on their march to remove any thing from us. Lead bullets, shooting areas, shooting on public land, shooting on salt water. They will do nothing for us IMHO.
I would rather exercise all my rights. It is my right to display my kill, I will display it. Would you guys rather we be required to hide our kills?
I agree with the sentiment, but I have found one thing that works lately. With all the fuss about GMO foods and the new foodie craze, talking about the natural, healthy food we choose to eat has many people who dislike hunting finding it more appealing. One of the most common comments i see on Facebook when a hunter posts up some geese or a deer is "do you eat that?"
yeah we eat that...
Post by: Bob33 on October 22, 2013, 09:11:34 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.Liberal movements succeed by being blatant and pushy.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
A more appropriate analogy might be to ask how well the Tea Party and conservative religious organizations and individuals are regarded in the public’s eye by being “open” about their convictions.
There is a difference between hiding, and being openly and deliberately offensive.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 09:11:52 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Not a great point, Dale. Gays are being more and more accepted by society and hunters, less and less. It's really an invalid comparison; hunting privileges v. equal rights. If your emphasis is "screw them, I'll do what I want anyway", then by all means stick it up on the roof even if it will fit nicely in the back. But it is with the understanding that you're not gaining support from the community by doing so.
The point here isn't to hide the fact that you're a hunter. It's to present it in such a way as to remain in the hearts of the 75% or so of the population who still think hunting is OK.
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2013, 09:13:16 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Its a very grey area i guess. Like a few have mentioned its the people on the border of anti-hunting or not. or maybe ruining a small kids view on hunting because all they see a bloody mess which might turn them from wanting to hunt. i say show it off, but i can see both views.
Post by: bobcat on October 22, 2013, 09:13:28 AM
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Not a great point, Dale. Gays are being more and more accepted by society and hunters, less and less. It's really an invalid comparison; hunting privileges v. equal rights. If your emphasis is "screw them, I'll do what I want anyway", then by all means stick it up on the roof even if it will fit nicely in the back. But it is with the understanding that you're not gaining support from the community by doing so.
The point here isn't to hide the fact that you're a hunter. It's to present it in such a way as to remain in the hearts of the 75% or so of the population who still think hunting is OK.
:yeah:
Post by: The100Road on October 22, 2013, 09:14:56 AM
This topic reminds me if those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
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true that.
Post by: Becky on October 22, 2013, 09:15:08 AM
I am not advocating either way is right or wrong, I don't have enough experience, but stories like this really open my eyes to seeing how much a single voice can change the ways laws/policies are made and written so it's just food for thought:
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Posters for a circus were removed from a town after a woman with a CLOWN phobia told council officials the pictures terrified her.
Officials at Leighton Buzzard Town Council said it took down adverts for John Lawson’s Circus after one complaint - in a town of 28,000 people.
A female resident told the authority she has coulrophobia - a fear of clowns - and the posters were scaring her whenever she drove past them.
The council removed all the posters and told the circus they would only be able to perform there again if they promised not to use clowns on their promotional material.
Council operations officer Lisa Jarvis said: “We take complaints on a case by case basis but this was a short-term, easily solvable problem."
But circus owner and ringmaster John Lawson said: “I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. There’s about 28,000 people in Leighton Buzzard, and our posters get taken down because of one person.
“What does she do when she drives past McDonalds, I wonder? It’s victimization.
“We don’t know who it is, but if we did, we’d gladly offer her tickets to come and see that our performance to show that our friendly clown is nothing to be scared of.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/circus-posters-taken-down-after-2467736 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/circus-posters-taken-down-after-2467736)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465972/Circus-ordered-posters-ONE-complaint-woman-scared-clowns.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465972/Circus-ordered-posters-ONE-complaint-woman-scared-clowns.html)
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 09:18:13 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.Interesting way to put it, but i have to ask Dale,
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Is displaying the dead carcass of an animal on the roof of our vehicle, with an open body cavity and the open hind end to anyone and everyone in the best interest to our sport?
Is tying the head of an animal complete with the tongue hanging out we killed to our front bumper or winch and heading down the highway in the best interest of our sport.
Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies...
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Its true that in our minds some of us don't care what others think of us, there opinion of us wont change no matter what we do. But how we conduct ourselves to people who are not pro or con should matter as those people may have the power one day to make a decision that does effect our sport and the actions we take may have an effect further down the road.
You only get one chance to make a good first impression...
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
Post by: Becky on October 22, 2013, 09:28:10 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.Interesting way to put it, but i have to ask Dale,
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Is displaying the dead carcass of an animal on the roof of our vehicle, with an open body cavity and the open hind end to anyone and everyone in the best interest to our sport?
Is tieing the head of an animal complete with the tongue hanging out we killed to our front bumper or winch and heading down the highway in the best interest of our sport.
Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies...
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Its true that in our minds some of us dont care what others think of us, there opinion of us wont change no matter what we do. But how we conduct ourselves to people who are not pro or con should matter as those people may have the power one dayto make a decision that does affect our sport and the actions we take may have an effect further down the road.
You only get one chance to make a good first impression...
When Smossy and I took hunter's ed recently, they specifically said against doing any of that and to be "respectful to the animal". They showed us a video in class that some anti-hunters had made at a game check station (video was from the 80s I think and I can't remember if it was in WA or not). It focused specifically on all of those sights and hunter's high-fiving eachother and having blood and guts all over their vehicle and tongues hanging out as they're tied to the hood etc. ... it looked like the original Sarah Mclaughlin animal cruelty commercials where she's crying over the abused animals; super slow zoom into the faces and tongues of the deer and everything. I can't remember what they said about it or what was brought about FROM that video, but they said it was a very effective back in the day to turn others against hunting.
Post by: bobcat on October 22, 2013, 09:28:28 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
I agree. And I do feel sorry for those chickens. But I still eat chicken. Although I would prefer to eat a steady diet of grouse if it were possible.
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Post by: Elkrunner on October 22, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 09:40:00 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?
I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.
Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?
Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?
Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?
I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 09:47:29 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.Interesting way to put it, but i have to ask Dale,
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
Is displaying the dead carcass of an animal on the roof of our vehicle, with an open body cavity and the open hind end to anyone and everyone in the best interest to our sport?
Is tying the head of an animal complete with the tongue hanging out we killed to our front bumper or winch and heading down the highway in the best interest of our sport.
Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies...
*
Its true that in our minds some of us don't care what others think of us, there opinion of us wont change no matter what we do. But how we conduct ourselves to people who are not pro or con should matter as those people may have the power one day to make a decision that does effect our sport and the actions we take may have an effect further down the road.
You only get one chance to make a good first impression...
I'm simply not sure that hiding our sport is in our best interest, I don't know, neither do you.
If we hide our kills will we get more votes in favor of keeping hunting?
Can you actually change the minds of anyone by hiding our sport?
I would suggest that we may need more exposure! Perhaps a buck on the hood is not the best first time exposure that we could provide to a non-hunter, but I doubt that it will be the demise of our sport. Perhaps the fact that most people quit displaying their animals has created an environment that has conditioned people to dislike seeing a dead animal. Perhaps hunters would all be better off and more accepted if all hunters displayed all their kills?
Just posing the questions, I don't know, but that is a possibility.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 09:50:25 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?
I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.
Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?
Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?
Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?
I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.
I don't know, but it's not got anything to do with Disney. They do have an incredibly high mortality rate - something like 30%. Would you transport you dogs like that - no room to move and exposed to the elements regardless of the weather? No? Why not? Because you give a crap about your dogs. Like I said, I still eat the chickens. I'm just not under the impression that they're treated at all well. And no, I don't believe houseplants and animals are the same. Not sure why you're coming after me, Dale. :dunno: But this thread has definitely been jacked from the OP.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 09:52:11 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
I agree. And I do feel sorry for those chickens. But I still eat chicken. Although I would prefer to eat a steady diet of grouse if it were possible.
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That's all I'm saying. I'm definitely not going over to the animal rights wackos.
Post by: Mike450r on October 22, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
We always display them and see how many thumbs up versus the middle finger we get.
I tend to think what if seeing something like this was the catalyst for an initiative happy Peta member to get a petition going and get a hunting ban on the ballot? And then commercials showing elk heads tied to front bumpers and bucks strapped to cartops was enough to start to sway non hunters to the side of anti hunters. I highly doubt it would pass but would give them a baseline on how many more voters they need to sway in their favor the next time.
Just me but I don't feel the need to display my trophy anywhere except where it will be properly admired and appreciated. Non hunters are the majority of voters but anti hunters are not. Why do anything that may change that?
Post by: bobcat on October 22, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
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Post by: runamuk on October 22, 2013, 09:54:37 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
NO
I used to think we should but we live in a world where it takes shock and awe and in your face to make progress. Look at the open carry movement getting more and more visible and holding their ground and recruiting more people who may have been on the fence. If hunters promote the benefits of the sport and stop calling it a sport and refer to it as a use of human instincts that are part of our biology, we are hunter gatherers, that morphed into an agrarian society. Use more anthropology and less defensiveness we could make more headway. Hunting coincides with the movement toward paleo diets, non gmo foods, and the entire back to whole unprocessed foods movement, many of the treehugging bunny lickers as you call them would be on your side if you promote hunting from a different angle. How do I know this because i do it every day in an art department at a university and even a vegan prof could see the merit when I explained it on an anthropological biological basis.
Post by: hillbillyhunting on October 22, 2013, 09:57:43 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?
I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.
Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?
Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?
Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?
I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.
I agree with you bearpaw. To me it is more about how my food will be affected by their large scale opperation and associated treatment of animals (antibiotics, hormones, etc).
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:01:22 AM
This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?
There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!
I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?
I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.
Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?
Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?
Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?
I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.
I don't know, but it's not got anything to do with Disney. They do have an incredibly high mortality rate - something like 30%. Would you transport you dogs like that - no room to move and exposed to the elements regardless of the weather? No? Why not? Because you give a crap about your dogs. Like I said, I still eat the chickens. I'm just not under the impression that they're treated at all well. And no, I don't believe houseplants and animals are the same. Not sure why you're coming after me, Dale. :dunno: But this thread has definitely been jacked from the OP.
Don't get defensive, I wasn't going after you, I was only commenting and posing reasonable questions regarding your post. Would you consider the chicken to have more rights than the houseplant? I see the house plant as an equal to a chicken, it has just as much right to life as the chicken in my mind. :dunno:
I'm still not sure there is any evidence that dispaying kills is bad for the sport and if it is bad is that due to the fact that most hunters quit displaying their animals. Would hunting possibly be more accepted if it was the norm to see dead animals being hauled in to feed families?
Again, I am not going after anyone, I am only asking the question and discussing the issue?
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:02:12 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
NO
I used to think we should but we live in a world where it takes shock and awe and in your face to make progress. Look at the open carry movement getting more and more visible and holding their ground and recruiting more people who may have been on the fence. If hunters promote the benefits of the sport and stop calling it a sport and refer to it as a use of human instincts that are part of our biology, we are hunter gatherers, that morphed into an agrarian society. Use more anthropology and less defensiveness we could make more headway. Hunting coincides with the movement toward paleo diets, non gmo foods, and the entire back to whole unprocessed foods movement, many of the treehugging bunny lickers as you call them would be on your side if you promote hunting from a different angle. How do I know this because i do it every day in an art department at a university and even a vegan prof could see the merit when I explained it on an anthropological biological basis.
That makes a lot of sense. :tup:
Post by: Becky on October 22, 2013, 10:03:39 AM
This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.
I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.
So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?
NO
I used to think we should but we live in a world where it takes shock and awe and in your face to make progress. Look at the open carry movement getting more and more visible and holding their ground and recruiting more people who may have been on the fence. If hunters promote the benefits of the sport and stop calling it a sport and refer to it as a use of human instincts that are part of our biology, we are hunter gatherers, that morphed into an agrarian society. Use more anthropology and less defensiveness we could make more headway. Hunting coincides with the movement toward paleo diets, non gmo foods, and the entire back to whole unprocessed foods movement, many of the treehugging bunny lickers as you call them would be on your side if you promote hunting from a different angle. How do I know this because i do it every day in an art department at a university and even a vegan prof could see the merit when I explained it on an anthropological biological basis.
I've read quite a few stories of "hipsters" and Seattleites going into hunting because of this exact reason. They want to know their food is ACTUALLY natural, know where it came from, and be in control of their food source. It's actually a great movement that's starting up small and getting bigger.
I agree with you on that.. but how will they "get" all that by seeing a dead animal carcass on a rooftop going down the freeway? Unfortunately their first reaction is disgust.. I've heard/read/seen it all over facebook and from non-hunting friends that I have to try to educate afterwards. I'm not saying either way what's best, only saying what I've seen from this side of the state when these circumstances have arose.
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Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:14:34 AM
What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.
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That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.
I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?
For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.
But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on October 22, 2013, 10:20:30 AM
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it????What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.
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That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.
I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?
For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.
But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? :dunno:
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:27:55 AM
Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it????What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.
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That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.
I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?
For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.
But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? :dunno:
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..
I don't have a problem, anyone can love who they want, just don't force it on me, I know plenty of people who are gay or lesbian and get along with them fine. However, the fact remains that gays and lesbians made a huge movement to bring their sexual preferences into the open and as a result it appears they are more accepted in society.
I think it's pretty hard to deny that?
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 10:28:54 AM
I agree Dale.
Post by: irishevox on October 22, 2013, 10:30:14 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:31:02 AM
I wonder if some folks are ignorant (not really thinking) enough to see only the heads on the bumper and associate that with that's all that was taken, while the meat is hidden securely in back. :dunno: Most hunters know better and don't think anything of it. Which leads me to a whole other point. Deer legs and hides left hanging from trees or piled up at camp sites. I'm not really a prude but really don't think that's good for the image of hunters, and I really don't appreciated deer or elk hair all over my campsite.
Regarding the legs and hair in campsites I totally agree, pretty disrespectful to leave their garbage (hides), just another form of littering.
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:31:55 AM
bear paw i sent you ome PM's
I'll look and reply... :tup:
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
I wonder if some folks are ignorant (not really thinking) enough to see only the heads on the bumper and associate that with that's all that was taken, while the meat is hidden securely in back. :dunno: Most hunters know better and don't think anything of it. Which leads me to a whole other point. Deer legs and hides left hanging from trees or piled up at camp sites. I'm not really a prude but really don't think that's good for the image of hunters, and I really don't appreciated deer or elk hair all over my campsite.Image is and always will be a problem for any user group etc.
There are bad apples everywhere and in everything people do, from sports fans, teachers, religious leaders, hunters etc....
This is what this whole discussion is about to me, Image.... we may not see our action in a bad light and those that oppose us do not care what we do to make our image better, its those that have not formed an opinion that matter i think.
Antlers out of a truck, even a wrapped carcass with just the head showing on top of a car will in most cases not offend someone, its the few that use there "right" to make a statement that tarnish the whole.
Antlers dont usually offend most people, even nonhunters (ever eaten at claimjumper, mounts all over) or alot of other establishments, Lodges etc, people love the country look of a fireplace with a mount over it...
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
With you 100%, no denying it.....Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it????What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.
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That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.
I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?
For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.
But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? :dunno:
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..
I don't have a problem, anyone can love who they want, just don't force it on me, I know plenty of people who are gay or lesbian and get along with them fine. However, the fact remains that gays and lesbians made a huge movement to bring their sexual preferences into the open and as a result it appears they are more accepted in society.
I think it's pretty hard to deny that?
Post by: h20hunter on October 22, 2013, 10:41:23 AM
How does that help your cause regardless of what it is? Go ahead and puff out your chest and say to hell with everyone else because that will erode the very thing you are apparently so proud of.
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 10:44:04 AM
With you 100%, no denying it.....Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it????What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.
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That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.
I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?
For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.
But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? :dunno:
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..
I don't have a problem, anyone can love who they want, just don't force it on me, I know plenty of people who are gay or lesbian and get along with them fine. However, the fact remains that gays and lesbians made a huge movement to bring their sexual preferences into the open and as a result it appears they are more accepted in society.
I think it's pretty hard to deny that?
I'm sorry but I didn't understand what you are saying with your last comment? :dunno:
Post by: lokidog on October 22, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
Still think that hanging a sign with your animal would go a long way to "educate" folks.
See this Deer/Elk?
It Will Feed My Family
Organic and Healthy
Small Carbon Footprint
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 10:46:24 AM
No denying it, it worked for them......
Post by: chukar58 on October 22, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
I think if we as hunters want to change the public's view it need to be done in a positive way. Most non-hunters may think it's just about killing animals and do not consider the economics of hunting in our state. Jobs created to provide services hunters use, equipment sales, license fees that go directly into the general fund, money spent in small rual communities etc etc. let's let the public know we hunt for the quality of natural organic meat that is not manipulated for maximum profit and greed. As more and more land is developed there is less habitat for wildlife and therefore this effects a health of the deer and elk populations. Help them to understand the concept of "carrying capacity of the land", and if left unchecked populations increase to unhealthy levels and animals die of disease and starvation. These are positive concepts that most not hunters are not aware of. I take time when someone asks why I hunt and tell them and most of the time I earn their respect.
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 10:49:45 AM
Bearpaw, plants and animals are not the same.... :dunno:" Small carbon footprint" As you pass them in your Diesel ford excursion towing a 30ft travel trailer... :chuckle:
Still think that hanging a sign with your animal would go a long way to "educate" folks.
See this Deer/Elk?
It Will Feed My Family
Organic and Healthy
Small Carbon Footprint
Hey loki dont you strap yours to the top of a golf cart as you cruise the island... :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on October 22, 2013, 10:53:09 AM
Bearpaw, plants and animals are not the same.... :dunno:" Small carbon footprint" As you pass them in your Diesel ford excursion towing a 30ft travel trailer... :chuckle:
Still think that hanging a sign with your animal would go a long way to "educate" folks.
See this Deer/Elk?
It Will Feed My Family
Organic and Healthy
Small Carbon Footprint
Hey loki dont you strap yours to the top of a golf cart as you cruise the island... :chuckle:
I guess the small carbo footprint would be for the Subaru drivers, seriously though, less carbon produced per pound elk vs cow, probably chicken as well.
Also, no need for the golf cart, I just put out a trail of apples leading into my garage.... 8)
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 22, 2013, 10:55:31 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 22, 2013, 11:01:34 AM
Post by: Bob33 on October 22, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
let's let the public know we hunt for the quality of natural organic meat that is not manipulated for maximum profit and greed.Indeed.
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2013/08/project-aims-lure-locavores-wild-side (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2013/08/project-aims-lure-locavores-wild-side)
Remember what is said about first impressions.
“Many locavores may not have grown up with hunters or fishermen in the family, or their fishing skills may be rusty,” Keith Tidball said. “For them to branch out into fishing and hunting, they often need an introduction.”
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 11:13:45 AM
I thought it showed it off without being distasteful.
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 11:14:38 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2F74moose004-1.jpg&hash=53b12a12ea14cc401ed6098c04b7a3deede6785e)
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 11:15:38 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Ftruck.jpg&hash=5e770469e17b4c8854fa2c71f8fed90418e2dbb1)
Post by: boneaddict on October 22, 2013, 11:16:54 AM
Was I supposed to hide them???
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Ftr1.jpg&hash=e55f81e61f83bd77caceaef76a6099120c496128)
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 11:21:40 AM
Doubt that would sway someones opinion of hunting.....
Post by: quadrafire on October 22, 2013, 11:24:16 AM
Granted the rigs weren't quite a big back then
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 11:25:00 AM
and my Washington moose....
Was I supposed to hide them???
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Ftr1.jpg&hash=e55f81e61f83bd77caceaef76a6099120c496128)
Looks good to me. What, no room in the glove box? :chuckle:
Post by: shoot-em-dead on October 22, 2013, 11:25:40 AM
I personally don't put as much thought into it as many of you have. I put mine in the truck bed and go. If I worried about offending people I would never be able to leave home. I've had many people complain because the snow guard is broken on my truck. I have even had people tell me I need to wash my truck. I don't give a rip what others do so long as nobody is in physical danger.
Post by: bradslam on October 22, 2013, 11:47:23 AM
That is absolutely ridiculous. So apparently, torturing a chicken would be okay. If, for instance, your kid went around cutting off the legs of chickens, it wouldn't set off some alarm bells? That type of behavior could land someone in jail, as it should. I'm sorry, but a chicken is a living animal with a brain and is not the same as a plant. That is almost as ludicrous, on the other extreme, as Ingrid Newkirk's quote about "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 11:51:41 AM
Bearpaw, plants and animals are not the same.... :dunno:
Still think that hanging a sign with your animal would go a long way to "educate" folks.
See this Deer/Elk?
It Will Feed My Family
Organic and Healthy
Small Carbon Footprint
That would be a good sign.
Post by: bradslam on October 22, 2013, 12:03:38 PM
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Post by: Bob33 on October 22, 2013, 12:13:08 PM
In the past year I've read several threads on here about attempts to restrict hunting: on Whidbey Island, South Sound, and other areas. If you believe that turning undecideds against hunting won't impact our hunting future, you're not paying attention.
http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/NAMWC_Public_Opinion_Hunting.pdf (http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/NAMWC_Public_Opinion_Hunting.pdf)
Post by: scottr on October 22, 2013, 12:17:54 PM
They don't see reverence for the animal and food that will feed a whole family for the winter. They don't see the time put into harvesting the animal, the money put into conservation, habitat protection, or local economies. They don't see the lasting friendships, family connections, and new friendships formed over hunting.
I like the idea of Loki's sign. If your animal has to be transported in the open something like this could go a long way to hitting pause on the stereotype replay and maybe even get them look positively on the subject.
When it comes to hunting, shooting, and even fly fishing I view myself as an ambassador to the sport. I don't hide the fact that I participate in these sports and when I encounter a non-sportsman and I want to leave them with a more favorable opinion of my chosen sport(s) than before I met them so the next time they see a truck with horns in the back they think of me and not some ugly stereotype.
Post by: bradslam on October 22, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
When non-hunters see a buck/bull strapped to a car there is a good chance a tape starts playing in their head of the stereotypical redneck slob hunter (or maybe the millionaire trophy hunter). They see horns, spoiling meat (it's not refrigerated like in the store after all), and blood lust.
They don't see reverence for the animal and food that will feed a whole family for the winter. They don't see the time put into harvesting the animal, the money put into conservation, habitat protection, or local economies. They don't see the lasting friendships, family connections, and new friendships formed over hunting.
I like the idea of Loki's sign. If your animal has to be transported in the open something like this could go a long way to hitting pause on the stereotype replay and maybe even get them look positively on the subject.
When it comes to hunting, shooting, and even fly fishing I view myself as an ambassador to the sport. I don't hide the fact that I participate in these sports and when I encounter a non-sportsman I want to leave them with a more favorable opinion of my chosen sport(s) than before I met them so the next time they see a truck with horns in the back they think of me and not some ugly stereotype.
Amen. I work with a vegetarian who is very far left on the subjects of guns and hunting. He has told me that I legitimize hunting and wishes there were more hunters out there like me. I tell him there are plenty of hunters like me, but unfortunately, there are plenty of others that conduct themselves in a manner that ruins our image.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2013, 01:04:30 PM
The whole car display thing is akin to how we speak about hunting with people who are non-hunters. When we speak in an abrasive, confrontational manner, their fears and concerns about hunting are only confirmed and they get their "back up". It might make us feel better about ourselves but it does nothing for our sport in the eyes of the vast majority. When we speak with someone about hunting, taking into account their possible sensitivities or even misconceptions about our sport, and do so in an approachable and non-confrontational manner, they're more apt to listen and try to understand where we're coming from.
My niece is a vegan. Vegans don't usually understand any animal killing for any reason. They're the Hezbollah of vegetarians. When I told her that I'm going to eat meat like 97% of the rest of the population she acknowledged that. When I told her that the animals I kill are free range their whole lives and never see the inside of a cage, she understood that. When I told her that the way I kill animals is much nicer than how most of the rest of nature does it - starvation, slow death by disease, being eaten by the frikkin' wolves while they're still alive - she acknowledged there are worse ways for animals to die for human consumption. Although I haven't convinced her to go on an elk hunt with me, she does acknowledge that if someone's going to eat meat, this is far better than factory farms and antibiotics. It's necessary diplomacy for us to keep our passion alive.
Post by: tbrady on October 22, 2013, 01:20:20 PM
I guess the small carbo footprint would be for the Subaru drivers, seriously though, less carbon produced per pound elk vs cow, probably chicken as well.
Dang, is it against the law in WA state to own a Subaru AND be a hunter? Myself and 2 other guys I hunt with own Subaru's (and love them). We also participate in Pridefest every year, fly drones to spy on bad hunters and all voted for Obama.
I guess anyone that drives a pickup with an elk or deer sticker on the back window must be a slob hunter too huh?
Post by: npaull on October 22, 2013, 01:55:22 PM
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The whole car display thing is akin to how we speak about hunting with people who are non-hunters. When we speak in an abrasive, confrontational manner, their fears and concerns about hunting are only confirmed and they get their "back up". It might make us feel better about ourselves but it does nothing for our sport in the eyes of the vast majority. When we speak with someone about hunting, taking into account their possible sensitivities or even misconceptions about our sport, and do so in an approachable and non-confrontational manner, they're more apt to listen and try to understand where we're coming from.
My niece is a vegan. Vegans don't usually understand any animal killing for any reason. They're the Hezbollah of vegetarians. When I told her that I'm going to eat meat like 97% of the rest of the population she acknowledged that. When I told her that the animals I kill are free range their whole lives and never see the inside of a cage, she understood that. When I told her that the way I kill animals is much nicer than how most of the rest of nature does it - starvation, slow death by disease, being eaten by the frikkin' wolves while they're still alive - she acknowledged there are worse ways for animals to die for human consumption. Although I haven't convinced her to go on an elk hunt with me, she does acknowledge that if someone's going to eat meat, this is far better than factory farms and antibiotics. It's necessary diplomacy for us to keep our passion alive.
I agree with this approach. It's a simple question of strategy. We can be boorish and confirm all the stereotypes about hunters, or we can play the game smartly and win over the non-hunting majority. Ethical, responsible hunting - done with an eye towards conservation, long-term sustainable resource use, habitat protection, clean/ethical meat, and respect for the animal - has enough intrinsic good about it to win on the political stage. Slob hunting - beer in hand, littering, horns-only attitude - will and should crash and burn.
Post by: lokidog on October 22, 2013, 02:14:17 PM
I guess the small carbo footprint would be for the Subaru drivers, seriously though, less carbon produced per pound elk vs cow, probably chicken as well.
Dang, is it against the law in WA state to own a Subaru AND be a hunter? Myself and 2 other guys I hunt with own Subaru's (and love them).
Nope, just thinking of a vehicle with less carbon footprint than an F5000. :chuckle: I have hunted on the eastside with our Subaru Legacy, and slept in the back, as it gets way better mileage than my Dodge.
Post by: Buckmark on October 22, 2013, 02:20:59 PM
Nope, its all good...heck my main hunting vehicle is about as close to a subaru forrester as you can get. its hauled 2 deer this year no problem, and did not even stink up one bit, heck it hauled 3 250+lb guys and a deer no problem....I guess the small carbo footprint would be for the Subaru drivers, seriously though, less carbon produced per pound elk vs cow, probably chicken as well.
Dang, is it against the law in WA state to own a Subaru AND be a hunter? Myself and 2 other guys I hunt with own Subaru's (and love them). We also participate in Pridefest every year, fly drones to spy on bad hunters and all voted for Obama.
I guess anyone that drives a pickup with an elk or deer sticker on the back window must be a slob hunter too huh?
Post by: h20hunter on October 22, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 22, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Post by: tbrady on October 22, 2013, 02:31:05 PM
I tried to talk my wife into letting me take the Outback hunting this year instead of my truck so as to save me about $200 in fuel. She promptly and firmly said NO! I even called out how we have the nice rubber mats that catch dirt, mud, blood, innards etc. :)
Post by: GEARHEAD on October 22, 2013, 03:40:30 PM
Post by: thinkingman on October 22, 2013, 03:44:47 PM
As some others have stated, this is about being respectful...to the animal and to others who don't share your views.Absolutely agree.
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Well said.
Post by: Stick em on October 22, 2013, 04:22:01 PM
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 05:52:46 AM
As some others have stated, this is about being respectful...to the animal and to others who don't share your views.Absolutely agree.
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Well said.
Alot of you are missing the point. Here is the issue with anti's.. They don't like and never will like the fact that we hunters KILL any animals. You are never going to change their mind. Never, no matter what we do.. Showing a deer head is part of hunting..
Hunters ed teaching? No sir! There is no law that says you can't display your animal. They teach alot of stuff that I don't agree with. So following what they teach is a real grey area. They teach not to shoot running game. I disagree, it can be done.. They teach dont take long shots. Again, I disagree..
When are we as hunters going to quit hiding te fact that we are in blatant terms Killers, some may like it and SOME never will..
I sat in bumper to bumper traffic in LA with a bug bull rack up on my tool box a few years ago, I had families getting out of their cars to take photots of their kids with the elk antlers. Lots of them. How many kids would of never got that chance in a big city if I had hid the antlers from view???
You will never satisfy everyone. Never...
Post by: bradslam on October 23, 2013, 07:43:20 AM
As some others have stated, this is about being respectful...to the animal and to others who don't share your views.Absolutely agree.
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Well said.
Alot of you are missing the point. Here is the issue with anti's.. They don't like and never will like the fact that we hunters KILL any animals. You are never going to change their mind. Never, no matter what we do.. Showing a deer head is part of hunting..
Hunters ed teaching? No sir! There is no law that says you can't display your animal. They teach alot of stuff that I don't agree with. So following what they teach is a real grey area. They teach not to shoot running game. I disagree, it can be done.. They teach dont take long shots. Again, I disagree..
When are we as hunters going to quit hiding te fact that we are in blatant terms Killers, some may like it and SOME never will..
I sat in bumper to bumper traffic in LA with a bug bull rack up on my tool box a few years ago, I had families getting out of their cars to take photots of their kids with the elk antlers. Lots of them. How many kids would of never got that chance in a big city if I had hid the antlers from view???
You will never satisfy everyone. Never...
Apparently, you have a hard time grasping what I wrote, so I tried to make it easier for you by underlining the most important section and changing it to bold font. What many of us are talking about are not the antis, but the non-hunters who can have their opinions swayed one way or the other. You may not understand this, but those two groups of people are not one and the same.
I'm not even sure what to say about your hunter's ed comments. I guess they should be teaching kids to throw caution to the wind and just get out there and sling lead. Who cares about wounded animals? Of course running and long shots can be done, but deciding to attempt them should come with experience and understanding one's capabilities and limitations.
Post by: JLS on October 23, 2013, 07:47:10 AM
As some others have stated, this is about being respectful...to the animal and to others who don't share your views.Absolutely agree.
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Well said.
Alot of you are missing the point. Here is the issue with anti's.. They don't like and never will like the fact that we hunters KILL any animals. You are never going to change their mind. Never, no matter what we do.. Showing a deer head is part of hunting..
Hunters ed teaching? No sir! There is no law that says you can't display your animal. They teach alot of stuff that I don't agree with. So following what they teach is a real grey area. They teach not to shoot running game. I disagree, it can be done.. They teach dont take long shots. Again, I disagree..
When are we as hunters going to quit hiding te fact that we are in blatant terms Killers, some may like it and SOME never will..
I sat in bumper to bumper traffic in LA with a bug bull rack up on my tool box a few years ago, I had families getting out of their cars to take photots of their kids with the elk antlers. Lots of them. How many kids would of never got that chance in a big city if I had hid the antlers from view???
You will never satisfy everyone. Never...
I don't want to satisfy everyone. Ever....
And, I don't care about trying to sway the anti-hunters. What I do care about is swaying the other 90% of the population that vote, and that are largely uneducated about hunting. As I said, if your truck is full like Bone's and you put your antlers on top, I could care less. But if you are strapping a whole animal carcass in plain view just to show it off to the world you should be asking yourself what kind of ambassador you are being to the 90% of the population that may be largely influenced by your/our actions.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 07:49:23 AM
As some others have stated, this is about being respectful...to the animal and to others who don't share your views.Absolutely agree.
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Well said.
Alot of you are missing the point. Here is the issue with anti's.. They don't like and never will like the fact that we hunters KILL any animals. You are never going to change their mind. Never, no matter what we do.. Showing a deer head is part of hunting..
Hunters ed teaching? No sir! There is no law that says you can't display your animal. They teach alot of stuff that I don't agree with. So following what they teach is a real grey area. They teach not to shoot running game. I disagree, it can be done.. They teach dont take long shots. Again, I disagree..
When are we as hunters going to quit hiding te fact that we are in blatant terms Killers, some may like it and SOME never will..
I sat in bumper to bumper traffic in LA with a bug bull rack up on my tool box a few years ago, I had families getting out of their cars to take photots of their kids with the elk antlers. Lots of them. How many kids would of never got that chance in a big city if I had hid the antlers from view???
You will never satisfy everyone. Never...
Respectfully RT, you're the one missing the point. Anti-hunters only comprise about 10% of our population +/-. Total non-hunters comprise 96% of the population. That means there is about 86% of the population who don't hunt but don't oppose hunting...yet. No one here is trying to convince the antis of anything. But, what we do need to do is keep the remaining 86% of non-hunters supporting hunting as an ethical activity which benefits wildlife through conservation, the hunter through providing meat and the ability to pursue a hunting heritage and tradition, and the general public by providing the tools necessary to control and regulate wildlife populations in a way that keeps them healthy and limits societies exposure to problem and/or dangerous wildlife because of overpopulation.
Get your back up all you want and it'll hurt us. It already has with the hounding/baiting ban. Hunters stood firm and blustered and lost. Privileges can be taken away as soon as the one allowing the privilege no longer sees a need for it; in this case, the general public. Take Starbucks. They allowed open carry in their stores for years in direct opposition to pleas from the antis to stop it. A few over-zealous *censored*s who decided that going for coffee with an AR-15 on their shoulder was a good idea, upset store employees and other customers enough that the company changed its policy and took that privilege away from open carriers. Go ahead and blame Starbucks or the antis. The end result is that we lost our privilege to open carry at a nationally huge private business. The exact same will happen with hunting unless we all start caring about more than our own egos.
Post by: Elkrunner on October 23, 2013, 08:03:51 AM
If it's taught in Hunters Education and Hunters decide to not follow the teaching, what are we teaching our youth. If we show young hunters that rules can be broken and justified then we are really opening a can of worms to the future of hunting. This is only my opinion and I'm not telling others how to conduct themselves but remember that you are always an example to people. Displaying your kill is your right, honor and privilege but don't we have a lot of forums and outlets to do that tastefully. You can post your pics and tell stories tons of places that welcome it and will enjoy it. Personally, I have hunted in lots of different vehicles large and small. The meat always comes home in a cooler, the head (if it's worth mounting) in a plastic bag. There's no need to take everything home to make a mess there. Learn to process your animal and leave the rest to the forest creatures that will benefit from it. This is a great thread, glad the topic is being discussed openly. :twocents:
Not to point it out but doesn't your avatar contradict your last statement? Both of those animals are whole...
Post by: bradslam on October 23, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on October 23, 2013, 08:10:04 AM
The thing is, you’re never going to convert the anti’s, so it’s not worth worrying about. But there are a vast majority of people who don’t hunt, but don’t really care one way or the other. With the local food movement, a lot of people are curious about wild game, even though they will probably never hunt themselves.
We should do our best to avoid antagonizing people who are currently neutral toward hunting.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 08:10:26 AM
If it's taught in Hunters Education and Hunters decide to not follow the teaching, what are we teaching our youth. If we show young hunters that rules can be broken and justified then we are really opening a can of worms to the future of hunting. This is only my opinion and I'm not telling others how to conduct themselves but remember that you are always an example to people. Displaying your kill is your right, honor and privilege but don't we have a lot of forums and outlets to do that tastefully. You can post your pics and tell stories tons of places that welcome it and will enjoy it. Personally, I have hunted in lots of different vehicles large and small. The meat always comes home in a cooler, the head (if it's worth mounting) in a plastic bag. There's no need to take everything home to make a mess there. Learn to process your animal and leave the rest to the forest creatures that will benefit from it. This is a great thread, glad the topic is being discussed openly. :twocents:
Not to point it out but doesn't your avatar contradict your last statement? Both of those animals are whole...
That doesn't mean he transported them strapped to his front bumper or on his roof or hood. Looks like a farm to me. He probably shot them about 50 yards away. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2013, 08:16:12 AM
Quote by Bearpaw: "Would you consider the chicken to have more rights than the houseplant? I see the house plant as an equal to a chicken, it has just as much right to life as the chicken in my mind."
That is absolutely ridiculous. So apparently, torturing a chicken would be okay. If, for instance, your kid went around cutting off the legs of chickens, it wouldn't set off some alarm bells? That type of behavior could land someone in jail, as it should. I'm sorry, but a chicken is a living animal with a brain and is not the same as a plant. That is almost as ludicrous, on the other extreme, as Ingrid Newkirk's quote about "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."
That's not what I said, you know that I said nothing about torturing anything. :chuckle:
We will just have to disagree, I think the carrot has just as much right to life as the chicken but the simple fact is that both will eventually become food for another living creature. :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 08:27:34 AM
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When non-hunters see a buck/bull strapped to a car there is a good chance a tape starts playing in their head of the stereotypical redneck slob hunter (or maybe the millionaire trophy hunter). They see horns, spoiling meat (it's not refrigerated like in the store after all), and blood lust.
They don't see reverence for the animal and food that will feed a whole family for the winter. They don't see the time put into harvesting the animal, the money put into conservation, habitat protection, or local economies. They don't see the lasting friendships, family connections, and new friendships formed over hunting.
I like the idea of Loki's sign. If your animal has to be transported in the open something like this could go a long way to hitting pause on the stereotype replay and maybe even get them look positively on the subject.
When it comes to hunting, shooting, and even fly fishing I view myself as an ambassador to the sport. I don't hide the fact that I participate in these sports and when I encounter a non-sportsman and I want to leave them with a more favorable opinion of my chosen sport(s) than before I met them so the next time they see a truck with horns in the back they think of me and not some ugly stereotype.
:yeah: Some really good points in this thread. Thanks for keeping it civil even with differing opinions.
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2013, 08:30:26 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2013, 08:32:34 AM
Here is a study on the public's perception of hunting.
In the past year I've read several threads on here about attempts to restrict hunting: on Whidbey Island, South Sound, and other areas. If you believe that turning undecideds against hunting won't impact our hunting future, you're not paying attention.
http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/NAMWC_Public_Opinion_Hunting.pdf (http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/NAMWC_Public_Opinion_Hunting.pdf)
Thanks for the informative info, nice to see some facts. :tup:
Post by: Buckmark on October 23, 2013, 08:33:21 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 23, 2013, 08:35:32 AM
Sarcasm font of course.
Its this simple. If you chose to exercise your rights in an offensive manner and don't use a little common sense and courtesy you will eventually lose those rights. The fault will be your own.
Of course...as stated....Dale is a carrot hugger.
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2013, 08:47:52 AM
Dale , we always knew deep down inside you were a carrot hugger.... :chuckle:
too funny :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: tbrady on October 23, 2013, 08:48:21 AM
Here is a study on the public's perception of hunting.
In the past year I've read several threads on here about attempts to restrict hunting: on Whidbey Island, South Sound, and other areas. If you believe that turning undecideds against hunting won't impact our hunting future, you're not paying attention.
http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/NAMWC_Public_Opinion_Hunting.pdf (http://www.responsivemanagement.com/download/reports/NAMWC_Public_Opinion_Hunting.pdf)
Thanks for the informative info, nice to see some facts. :tup:
That is a great article. A very rough summary is that while the majority of the public supports hunting, that attitude does not apply to the hunters themselves. A majority of Americans believe that hunters violate game laws and/or practice unsafe hunting methods.
And again, as said on here about 20 different ways, we can easily turn non-hunters into anti-hunters. If you really don't care what anyone else thinks I would appreciate it if you would move to another state (try Alabama or somewhere else in the SE)
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 08:51:19 AM
As some others have stated, this is about being respectful...to the animal and to others who don't share your views.Absolutely agree.
When I see a fellow hunter strap an animal's head to the front of their car and parade around, I merely see someone who needs their ego stroked. I have never liked it and think it portrays hunters in a bad light. I have even seen guys with doe heads tied to the front of their vehicle, complete with tongues hanging out. Tell me how that will improve our image.
When some have commented on public opinion, others on here have had the attitude of, "Screw it, we'll never change their mind anyway!" Yes, that may be true of those at the extreme end of the spectrum, but the most important group is the huge majority in the middle. They will be the ones who decide our future. Quit doing things that will turn them against us.
Well said.
Alot of you are missing the point. Here is the issue with anti's.. They don't like and never will like the fact that we hunters KILL any animals. You are never going to change their mind. Never, no matter what we do.. Showing a deer head is part of hunting..
Hunters ed teaching? No sir! There is no law that says you can't display your animal. They teach alot of stuff that I don't agree with. So following what they teach is a real grey area. They teach not to shoot running game. I disagree, it can be done.. They teach dont take long shots. Again, I disagree..
When are we as hunters going to quit hiding te fact that we are in blatant terms Killers, some may like it and SOME never will..
I sat in bumper to bumper traffic in LA with a bug bull rack up on my tool box a few years ago, I had families getting out of their cars to take photots of their kids with the elk antlers. Lots of them. How many kids would of never got that chance in a big city if I had hid the antlers from view???
You will never satisfy everyone. Never...
Respectfully RT, you're the one missing the point. Anti-hunters only comprise about 10% of our population +/-. Total non-hunters comprise 96% of the population. That means there is about 86% of the population who don't hunt but don't oppose hunting...yet. No one here is trying to convince the antis of anything. But, what we do need to do is keep the remaining 86% of non-hunters supporting hunting as an ethical activity which benefits wildlife through conservation, the hunter through providing meat and the ability to pursue a hunting heritage and tradition, and the general public by providing the tools necessary to control and regulate wildlife populations in a way that keeps them healthy and limits societies exposure to problem and/or dangerous wildlife because of overpopulation.
Get your back up all you want and it'll hurt us. It already has with the hounding/baiting ban. Hunters stood firm and blustered and lost. Privileges can be taken away as soon as the one allowing the privilege no longer sees a need for it; in this case, the general public. Take Starbucks. They allowed open carry in their stores for years in direct opposition to pleas from the antis to stop it. A few over-zealous *censored*s who decided that going for coffee with an AR-15 on their shoulder was a good idea, upset store employees and other customers enough that the company changed its policy and took that privilege away from open carriers. Go ahead and blame Starbucks or the antis. The end result is that we lost our privilege to open carry at a nationally huge private business. The exact same will happen with hunting unless we all start caring about more than our own egos.
Respectfully, I disagree! We did not lose bear baiting and hound hunting because of egos or hunters parading their game. We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters. Welcome to Washington state.. Had nothing to do with how hunters are perceived...
Starbucks? What really did I lose?? Not a whole lot. Tons of public places don't allow guns in their buildings... They choose to lose revenue, no sweat off my back..
Ban hunting? No way in heck that will ever happen. We spend millions in this state for hunting, tags, food, hardware, and so on ..
I really see the big picture. But I refuse to let tree huggers dictate my way of life..
Post by: bearpaw on October 23, 2013, 08:58:42 AM
I'm simply not sure that hiding our sport is in our best interest, I don't know, neither do you.
If we hide our kills will we get more votes in favor of keeping hunting?
Can you actually change the minds of anyone by hiding our sport?
I would suggest that we may need more exposure! Perhaps a buck on the hood is not the best first time exposure that we could provide to a non-hunter, but I doubt that it will be the demise of our sport. Perhaps the fact that most people quit displaying their animals has created an environment that has conditioned people to dislike seeing a dead animal. Perhaps hunters would all be better off and more accepted if all hunters displayed all their kills?
Just posing the questions, I don't know, but that is a possibility.
I still don't agree with hiding the kill and even think boneaddict's photos illustrate the way hunters should consider transporting game. I also like the idea of placing a sign next to the kill about the quality of meat, feeding their family, and any other good comments.
Post by: Buckmark on October 23, 2013, 09:00:57 AM
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Post by: JLS on October 23, 2013, 09:11:37 AM
I disagree! We did not lose bear baiting and hound hunting because of egos or hunters parading their game. We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters. Welcome to Washington state.. Had nothing to do with how hunters are perceived...Quote
It had everything to do with the perception that the sport was cruel. Aren't hunters then a part of that?
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 09:20:42 AM
RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it...... :bash:
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Ha ha. No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone... You me or anyone else will not change that. They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..
Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!
Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...
Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...
Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide????
Why why why????
Post by: h20hunter on October 23, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 09:33:03 AM
Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.
Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.
So. Try this
You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street. Some gays find that offensive. Fact!! So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??
Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???
Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??
No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..
So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!
Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!
If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 09:35:13 AM
RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it...... :bash:
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Ha ha. No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone... You me or anyone else will not change that. They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..
Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!
Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...
Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...
Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide????
Why why why????
Drama queen much? Actually RT, by making sure that you present your hunting passion in a manner that is acceptable to the public at large, you ARE standing up for your beliefs and supporting your privilege to hunt. By sabotaging your hunting passion by refusing to see that 86% of the population doesn't experience hunting as we do, you are abandoning your passion of hunting to obstinance/stubornness. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges depend on the approval of others, not us?
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 09:36:08 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 23, 2013, 09:39:28 AM
Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.
Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.
So. Try this
You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street. Some gays find that offensive. Fact!! So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??
Answer: No, I don't stop holding her hand. However, I don't make out in an overtly sexual manner.
Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???
Answer: No, they don't stay home. Not related at all.
Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??
Answer: No, but you wouldn't sit in a parking lot next to somebody talking on the phone revving it.
No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..
So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!
You are wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of your truck IF YOU COULD OTHER WISE MAKE AN EFFOR TO CONCEAL IT not BECAUSE somebody may find it offensive but because it is simply the courteous (sp?) thing to do.
Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!
Answer: I don't let them dictate what I do but I sure try and be respectfull of others that I wish to be respectfull to me.
If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???
Answer: It isn't illegal or bad....it is just in bad taste.
This is an issue about class and commen sense. If you have some or none of either then you will never "get it".
Then you are of course just another carrot hugger.
Post by: runamuk on October 23, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it...... :bash:
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Ha ha. No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone... You me or anyone else will not change that. They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..
Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!
Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...
Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...
Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide????
Why why why????
Why I voted to ban bear baiting and hound hunting.....I was uneducated about the reality of it, it was portrayed as cruel and unfair and unethical.....and the people for it acted like uneducated a-holios, kinda like the spotted owl and logger debate when the idiot on the loggers side made the ridiculous vw bug human breeding comment. Like I said I dont care and when i hear people get upset by seeing it I take the time to explain it from a more liberal point of view, its a healthy natural thing for a homo sapien to do, its also beneficial because we are part of the food chain anthropologically we are hunter gatherers. I dont say because its my right to kill animals because that just sounds defensive and abrasive. But I am someone who has been on the other side so my views are probably unwanted. Plus it get stated time and again you wont change anyones mind so i must not be anyone, my mind was changed too bad it came too late to save 2 forms of hunting I now understand and would like to try :dunno:
Post by: tbrady on October 23, 2013, 09:42:33 AM
Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.
Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.
So. Try this
You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street. Some gays find that offensive. Fact!! So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??
Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???
Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??
No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..
So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!
Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!
If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???
You're absolutely wrong in my opinion. You keep using analogies regarding issues that are fundamental civil rights of which hunting is NOT. The middle sees hunting as ok but not the hunters. From your remarks it seems you could care less what anyone thinks of hunters. I think that is a huge mistake. I care deeply about what other people think of hunters, mainly because as a group we are viewed in a very bad light.
Post by: Bob33 on October 23, 2013, 09:42:46 AM
That about sums it up for me.
Post by: Buckmark on October 23, 2013, 09:43:25 AM
I never said hunters will out number non hunters, but doing what we can to not increase the anti hunting numbers is paramont to our way of life.... and by your way of thinking and actions you may very well do more harm than good. But you don't see that......RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it...... :bash:
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Ha ha. No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone... You me or anyone else will not change that. They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..
Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!
Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...
Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...
Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide????
Why why why????
I never stated any facts, so mine are straight (not hiding in any closet), i am quite aware of why baiting and hound hunting was banned and how the opposition achevied there agenda.
Anti hunters do not like the killing part and use that as a catalyist for there cause. Non hunters, those who do not oppose hunting are for the most part smart enough to understand that killing comes with hunting, but they may not want to see it in any form including slaughter houses, My neighbors sure enjoy the beef i give them but dont want to come down to the pasture when the kill truck pulls up...
Never hid a thing, i proudly display antlers so they are visible from my vehicle, i also display them in my home and are clearly visible with my curtians open to all my neighbors etc, but i dont hang a deer or elk in my front tree to skin it....
Singular yes, you speak in terms of "you" and "I" which is singular, you said " I could care less".
No one said that as a group we should hide, or hide what we do, no one thinks the animals die of natural causes and we just pick them up like windfall apples, we do stand up for our beliefs, this thread proves it, we are standing up for our continuted privilage to hunt without interference from non hunters bynot making them into antihunters through means we can control.....
The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of a Few...
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 09:44:34 AM
RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it...... :bash:
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Ha ha. No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone... You me or anyone else will not change that. They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..
Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!
Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...
Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...
Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide????
Why why why????
Drama queen much? Actually RT, by making sure that you present your hunting passion in a manner that is acceptable to the public at large, you ARE standing up for your beliefs and supporting your privilege to hunt. By sabotaging your hunting passion by refusing to see that 86% of the population doesn't experience hunting as we do, you are abandoning your passion of hunting to obstinance/stubornness. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges depend on the approval of others, not us?
I introduce a great number of non hunters to hunting every year! I think I do my part to show others what hunting is about. 86%. You nor me will ever get that number on our side. Thats a lost cause... Truly if we keep worrying about what others perceive hunting to be, we better start using paint guns.. We KILL animals, they will never be on our side until we can no longer KILL their precious wildlife..
Thats the point
Post by: h20hunter on October 23, 2013, 09:45:31 AM
Then, when you drive home with a bloody animal on display you will turn 1000 against it.
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 09:46:18 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
Post by: JLS on October 23, 2013, 09:54:37 AM
Fair enough....toot your horn all you wish......introduce a hundred new people to the sport.
Then, when you drive home with a bloody animal on display you will turn 1000 against it.
Nailed it.
Post by: baldopepper on October 23, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
1) "That will never happen"
2) "That will never happen to me"
I've eaten those words more times than I care to count.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 10:09:55 AM
RT, you absolutely, 100% do not get it...... :bash:
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"We lost because the opposition numbers were greater than the hunters."
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So lets do all we can to INCREASE those numbers.
You missed the point about starbucks, it's not about "you", its about other people also, stop thinking so singuler.
So you think that hunting or forms of hunting could never be banned in this state...... Denile is not just a river in egypt.
Ha ha. No you dont get it!!! Hunters will never outnumber non hunters in this state. Anyone can see that.. Well almost anyone... You me or anyone else will not change that. They didnt ban hounds or bait because of someone showing off a bear on their bumper.. They banned it because they think its cruel..
Once again, the hunter KILLED The bear!! Thats the part they do not agree with.. So get your facts straight!!
Keep hiding in the closet! That works wonders I bet...
Singular??? Wow, I could care less about starbucks. No, I didnt miss the point...
Why is it ok for every group to stand up to those against their belief? But we hunters try to get others to hide????
Why why why????
Drama queen much? Actually RT, by making sure that you present your hunting passion in a manner that is acceptable to the public at large, you ARE standing up for your beliefs and supporting your privilege to hunt. By sabotaging your hunting passion by refusing to see that 86% of the population doesn't experience hunting as we do, you are abandoning your passion of hunting to obstinance/stubornness. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that our hunting privileges depend on the approval of others, not us?
I introduce a great number of non hunters to hunting every year! I think I do my part to show others what hunting is about. 86%. You nor me will ever get that number on our side. Thats a lost cause... Truly if we keep worrying about what others perceive hunting to be, we better start using paint guns.. We KILL animals, they will never be on our side until we can no longer KILL their precious wildlife..
Thats the point
I actually see what you're saying and I think you're confused. The 86% I was talking about DO support hunting. The statements you've made indicate you don't think they do. That's the whole point here. You seem to be saying that because they don't hunt, they don't support it. That's absolutely incorrect. We know statistically that these people support our hunting privileges even though they don't participate in them. All I'm saying is that we want them to continue to support us. We do that by making sure they understand what we're about and that what we're doing is ethical and shows respect for the game we pursue.
Run stated the reasons why she formerly opposed baiting and hounding. And those reasons include the fact that the hunters presented their side in a very poor and uncaring way. We do care about our wildlife and hopefully, respeect the wildlife we pursue. Our goal must be to convey that care and respect to the 86%.
Post by: bradslam on October 23, 2013, 10:10:59 AM
Quote by Bearpaw: "Would you consider the chicken to have more rights than the houseplant? I see the house plant as an equal to a chicken, it has just as much right to life as the chicken in my mind."
That is absolutely ridiculous. So apparently, torturing a chicken would be okay. If, for instance, your kid went around cutting off the legs of chickens, it wouldn't set off some alarm bells? That type of behavior could land someone in jail, as it should. I'm sorry, but a chicken is a living animal with a brain and is not the same as a plant. That is almost as ludicrous, on the other extreme, as Ingrid Newkirk's quote about "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."
That's not what I said, you know that I said nothing about torturing anything. :chuckle:
We will just have to disagree, I think the carrot has just as much right to life as the chicken but the simple fact is that both will eventually become food for another living creature. :twocents:
Just trying to illustrate that there is a difference between plants and animals, even if they are chickens. Yes, we may have the legal right to kill an animal, but there is also a legal and ethical expectation on how that animal is treated while it is alive and how it is dispatched. This is why you are able to euthanize your dog, but you could go to jail or, at the very least, have it taken away from you, if you mistreat it while it is under your care. As hunters, I believe we should have a certain reverance for game animals and treat them with respect, both before and after they are harvested.
Post by: Buckmark on October 23, 2013, 10:25:07 AM
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If we don't worry about the preception of hunting and hunters to the 86% that DO NOT oppose hunting and do our part to tunr them against it then yes we will be using paint guns.
No on ever said we dont kill animals or hide that fact, the non hunting public that are not antihunting know that killing is part of our sport, does not mean they want to see it or the outcome in its full open view...The nonhunting but supoortive public do not want to take away our privelage...yet...till they see something that does not sit well with them, whether we like it or not....
Pictures and mental images go further than words ever will.....shock and awe...
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But we know, you dont care, its your "right" and you will do what you wish and f'em all if they don't like it. And then they will f you and you will be crying about it all the while not realizing you played and important role in swaying the opinion of the non hunter towards the antihunting crowd...
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Thats it for now, got to go and get my pink panties out of the drier...
Post by: Odell on October 23, 2013, 10:58:14 AM
boneaddict's photos really put this whole discussion into a perspective that most people should be able to understand. The real issue is the presentation, if done in a reasonable manner reasonable people should not be offended. If paraded on the front bumper or hood then some may be disgusted and you will get the kind of response that some of you worry about. :twocents:
Agreed. There is a huge difference between a rack with wrapped skull and a entire carcass. Planning for success should be part of hunting. If you have no room to transport a deer, you haven't planned very well. Personally I try to bring home my meat boned out already and its all in a cooler on ice. Not hard to do, especially with deer.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 11:03:37 AM
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 11:17:58 AM
RT is an awesome hunter, a friend to many (and I hope he includes me in that group), and a patriot who has served his country well for decades (and still does). While we may have a difference of opinion on what's going on in this state with those who don't hunt, I absolutely respect his opinion and his aforementioned qualities. Thanks RT. :tup:
You know I love a good debate... Thanks but I think we are killing the horse here.
My passion is as great as any hunter.. I just view such things in a diffrent way my friend...
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 11:20:21 AM
Post by: hunter360 on October 23, 2013, 11:21:22 AM
Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.
Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.
So. Try this
You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street. Some gays find that offensive. Fact!! So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??
Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???
Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??
No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..
So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!
Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!
If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???
:yeah:
For those who say hunting is not a right....lol, I disagree. Hunting is a God given right, a right given to a sovereign person. Some people think government is larger than God and themselves. If that is what you believe, well, I guess you are right, hunting can be taken away from you. As for me, not the case at all.
I'd love to hear one of you people that think hunting can be taken away talk to someone back in the days of the families that absolutely had to hunt and kill to feed their families. The times before grocery stores. They'd laugh their @$$ off at you. My point being is this, nobody can deny you God given rights, like the right to feed your family for instance, unless you give someone authority over you to do so. The problem I see here is a whole bunch of people that have become so in tuned with what society tells you that you can and can't do, and don't do this because i'll take that away from you, etc, etc, that you have completely forgotten that you are the one in power. You are sovereign, and they can't touch your God given rights.
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 11:24:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 11:24:55 AM
Post by: Seabass on October 23, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
After you stop laughing seriously consider the point.
While many may appreciate the quality they may find the manner in which it is displayed to be offensive. I am being completely serious. Analogies are often over used and mis-used but I think this one is relevant.
Post by: Buckmark on October 23, 2013, 11:40:59 AM
Ok, then...i'll tackle this one kinda.Nobody is saying hide. All anyone is saying is conduct yourself in a manner that is respectful to those around you. Bone showed the perfect example.........he sure isn't hiding anything yet he is conducting himself in a respectful manner.
Respectful?? Thats a broad term with antis or even those in the middle.
So. Try this
You and your wife are holding hands walking down a street. Some gays find that offensive. Fact!! So do you choose to not hold your wifes hand??
Same goes for a mixed racial couple, do you just not go out in public???
Some people want to ban diesels, so do we leave the diesel parked in a driveway??
No matter what people will find an issue with anything we do As hunters, anything..
So answer the above questions??? Now, tell me Im wrong for showing off a kill in the bed of my truck because, MAYBE someone finds it offensive!!!!
Pink panties boys. Pink panties!!! Man up and quit playing into their hands and let them dictate what you do!!!
If it was that bad? Why is it not illegal???
:yeah:
For those who say hunting is not a right....lol, I disagree. Hunting is a God given right, a right given to a sovereign person. Some people think government is larger than God and themselves. If that is what you believe, well, I guess you are right, hunting can be taken away from you. As for me, not the case at all.
I'd love to hear one of you people that think hunting can be taken away talk to someone back in the days of the families that absolutely had to hunt and kill to feed their families. The times before grocery stores. They'd laugh their @$$ off at you. My point being is this, nobody can deny you God given rights, like the right to feed your family for instance, unless you give someone authority over you to do so. The problem I see here is a whole bunch of people that have become so in tuned with what society tells you that you can and can't do, and don't do this because i'll take that away from you, etc, etc, that you have completely forgotten that you are the one in power. You are sovereign, and they can't touch your God given rights.
So if it is a god given right (seriously you dont believe that) and it cant be denied or taken away why do you buy a licence and tag? Why do you hunt only when the heathens say you can? If you are the one in power and "they" cant touch your god given rights you have the right to do whatever you want.... So hunt when you want, kill what you want and when stopped by enforcment tell them god said you could....and see how far that gets you.....
I am sure the old time hound hunters would of laughed also if they were told that the people would vote/tell them they could no longer hunt the way they want....hummm...
Hunting is a priveledge not a right, its is granted to you by the state under certian conditions and can be revoked for failure to follow the rules and laws. You may have the abiltiy to hunt and feed your familly but that does not mean you have the right....Big difference... The state sets the rules, times, days, bag limits etc etc, can and will change them as they see fit and you are expected to follow them, we used to hunt deer for 4 weeks, we used to be able to shoot does on the last weekend of the late rifle hunt, we used to be able to shoot any bull on the eastside.....not anymore legally...all taken away from us.....
Wheres my koolaid...
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
Stirring the pot!!
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 11:44:41 AM
For all to see. :IBCOOL:
Stirring the pot!!
Doesn't look like a problem to me. There's a huge difference between that buck in the back and the same one tied across the hood.
Post by: Buckmark on October 23, 2013, 11:47:24 AM
For all to see. :IBCOOL:Not at all, looks good to me, love the blood on the tailgate.....serioulsy
Stirring the pot!!
That will most likely not change someones opinion to the antiside.....looks good :tup:
Now cut off the head, mount it on your front bumper and tie the headless gutted (open cavity facing backwards) carccass to your tool box uncovered and you change everything.....
Post by: Seabass on October 23, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Post by: Savage Hunter on October 23, 2013, 12:32:08 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 12:40:08 PM
Post by: bradslam on October 23, 2013, 01:18:42 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 23, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
Hunting was initially a God given right but later turned into a privilege by man......
It is a "privelage" as part of an organized society (at least here in WA), however, as far as I am concerned, if I have no other way to feed my family, it is a right that I will pursue. I would, though, not throw it in anyone's face while doing so. ;)
Post by: bracer40 on October 23, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
The anger in some of these reactions is astounding. Yelm, you might think about meditation, or sleeping in a pyramid, or a puppy, or some Paxil. Where the heck did that come from? :yike: :yike:Thanks for the thoughtful and balanced perspective on this issue.
There are two issues here and some are lumping them into one. One issue is whether you should be proud of your kill. Of course you should, especially if it took a lot of work and skill to accomplish. Secondly, should you have your kill displayed on top of your car. Some people are saying, "I don't give a crap who thinks what. I'll tie it to the front bumper if I feel like it." Some are saying that they're more sensitive to the tastes of others by not throwing it up on the roof. Someone very astutely pointed out we lost our privileges to hound and bait hunt due to bad press. I believe that this is the crux of the matter.
You don't have a God-given right to hunt in WA. It's a privilege and it's one we can easily lose, as we did with hounding. As stated in previous threads on the subject of hunter's rights and privileges, less than 4% of our population hunts. So, if you don't give a crap about what the non-hunters think, you're basically pitting yourself against a whopping 96% of the state's voters. I don't think a single hunter is implying you should be ashamed of your kill. However, the antis do whatever they have to to appeal to the mainstream. If we just thumb our noses at everyone and act as if we don't give a damn what anyone thinks, we'll lose more of our privileges. My :twocents:
It's refreshing to see vs. The many impulsive, " I don't care about any others!" Type of replies.
Post by: tbrady on October 23, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
Post by: Seabass on October 23, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 23, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
Post by: baldopepper on October 23, 2013, 01:43:54 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 01:48:54 PM
Really? no chuckles at the boob joke?
I don't care what anyone says, my wife will show them anytime she wants, regardless of where and in front of whom. Those are God-given breasts and it's her right. Oh wait, we're atheists. That's right! Never mind. Pull your shirt back down honey.
Post by: h20hunter on October 23, 2013, 01:52:42 PM
Post by: Seabass on October 23, 2013, 01:54:34 PM
It's not hard to see why our nation is so divided on so many issues when you consider that like minded people like us can't even agree on something as simple as this.
Post by: Goldeneye on October 23, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
Nope, but TBrady's is hilarious! :chuckle:
Is that rtspring's truck? That is really funny...
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 01:56:56 PM
Now no need to be hasty....
Lol.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2013, 01:58:11 PM
Nope, but TBrady's is hilarious! :chuckle:
Is that rtspring's truck? That is really funny...
It can't be. RT's truck has a "Hillary 2016" sticker on it. :peep:
Post by: Bob33 on October 23, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
It can't be. RT's truck has a "Hillary 2016" sticker on it. :peep:I thought it was a pink Subaru. :dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2013, 02:23:38 PM
Post by: C-Money on October 23, 2013, 02:50:41 PM
I'd hold that one high too RT, it has three points. :yike: :chuckle: :sry: :chuckle:
:yike: :peep: :stirthepot: :lol4:
Post by: rtspring on October 23, 2013, 03:05:15 PM
Yes I laughed!!!! Good one!! I decided 3 points taste better :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on October 23, 2013, 03:11:41 PM
Post by: scottr on October 23, 2013, 03:18:15 PM
I think I've found a solution to carrying your carcass in the open. Just make sure you put the appropriate signage on your vehicle.
:lol4: You just won the thread :tree1:
Post by: ICEMAN on October 23, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
For all to see. :IBCOOL:
Stirring the pot!!
Doesn't look like a problem to me. There's a huge difference between that buck in the back and the same one tied across the hood.
My bad.... atleast this was only a mile or two to camp.... :dunno:
Post by: Tom Tamer on October 23, 2013, 07:20:40 PM
Post by: irishevox on October 24, 2013, 01:52:17 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2013, 05:10:54 AM