Post by: hdshot on October 28, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
The main thing that makes me upset is we are looked at as killers as I found out these days and we allowed that to happen? If my report was not done already I would call it in to talk with a person and they would have to ask me for the report and change the word from kill to harvest because I did not kill anything. Gawd, I'm so PO'ed with myself to fall in that trap! :bash:
Long story short, only hunted birds since the reporting process for big game began because of no success back then so this was my 1st deer harvested and tag I bought in a long time and will never let this terrible experience happen again.
Post by: bobcat on October 28, 2013, 03:10:33 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 28, 2013, 03:10:55 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on October 28, 2013, 03:11:36 PM
Post by: cmiller85 on October 28, 2013, 03:15:18 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 03:16:38 PM
Post by: DP on October 28, 2013, 03:22:23 PM
Post by: Shed Stud on October 28, 2013, 03:23:29 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on October 28, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
Congrats on your deer
Post by: jackmaster on October 28, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Fruits and vegetables are harvested. Game animals are killed. No need to sugar coat it, in my opinion.:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: scottr on October 28, 2013, 03:25:35 PM
What drives me crazy is when I get back from a hunt and my non hunting friends ask if I "caught" anything? Yes I caught these ducks with a net (a net of #4s) :tup:
Post by: hdshot on October 28, 2013, 03:26:36 PM
Fruits and vegetables are harvested. Game animals are killed. No need to sugar coat it, in my opinion.
We consume our deer like fruits and vegetables. Don't undersand your point?
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 03:28:17 PM
I had the killing talk with my son before we set out for our first hunt. I made (tried at least) to make sure he understood....we are killing, taking a life. What we do can not be undone. We own it. Hence, killing, not harvesting. However, I see your point and don't think you are wrong in any way by saying harvest has an implication of consumption above anything else.
Post by: Buckmark on October 28, 2013, 03:29:02 PM
Just reported a deer I harvested. But the questions only asked if I killed it which made me feel like I did something illegal. Why is the word kill used because that is a word to describe an illegal act in most cases? Hunters don't kill, we harvest legal as if the animal was like a berry we pick in the summer as example.Uh, yes you did. Are your serious or drinking? Is this a real post? You killed a deer, no doubt about it, if it is dead and you caused it's demise, then yep you killed it......
The main thing that makes me upset is we are looked at as killers as I found out these days and we allowed that to happen? If my report was not done already I would call it in to talk with a person and they would have to ask me for the report and change the word from kill to harvest because I did not kill anything. Gawd, I'm so PO'ed with myself to fall in that trap! :bash:
Long story short, only hunted birds since the reporting process for big game began because of no success back then so this was my 1st deer harvested and tag I bought in a long time and will never let this terrible experience happen again.
If you hit a deer with your car did you kill it or harvest it? The same end result, death.....
Seriously you want to call and talk it over, to get your feelings of insecurity in killing something changed to harvest so you can sleep better at night????
We as humans kill things all the time, living, breathing things...bugs, rodents, deer, fish, brain cells......
I think you need a hug, H20 volunteers :tree1:
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 03:34:24 PM
Harvest to me says you got your hands on a fawn, raised it with care and love, then "harvested" it in its prime for meat.
However....you could look at it like the beef industry....you could always say you slaughtered it? Not trying to rile anyone up but if you look at the meat industry it is much more brutal than what we as hunters do. We kill animals in the most humane way we can with the tools we have. End of story.
Post by: hdshot on October 28, 2013, 03:34:36 PM
It seems like you have had too much politically correct BS hammered into your subconcious. Killing stuff is what we do as hunters. Nothing wrong with it. It is management of the species.
So when we say we are going deer hunting we are being politically correct? Your answer must be going deer killing. Also when we hunt legal we must be politically correct as well?
So if you are hunting legal don't tell me about being politically correct.
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 03:35:31 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on October 28, 2013, 03:39:19 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 28, 2013, 03:41:23 PM
No, the term hunting means to pursue or more accurate the pursuit of. Harvest means to gather.It seems like you have had too much politically correct BS hammered into your subconcious. Killing stuff is what we do as hunters. Nothing wrong with it. It is management of the species.
So when we say we are going deer hunting we are being politically correct? Your answer must be going deer killing. Also when we hunt legal we must be politically correct as well?
So if you are hunting legal don't tell me about being politically correct.
I don't think I need to explain what kill means. :chuckle:
Post by: Song Dog on October 28, 2013, 03:42:56 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on October 28, 2013, 03:44:05 PM
Post by: tonymiller7 on October 28, 2013, 03:44:16 PM
I like harvest because it implies killing with the intent to consume as food. I don't have an issue with trophy hunting but tend to eat what I kill (until I start varmint hunting this year :bfg:)
What drives me crazy is when I get back from a hunt and my non hunting friends ask if I "caught" anything? Yes I caught these ducks with a net (a net of #4s) :tup:
I hate being asked if I caught anything, I always reply that they should have seen how many I caught and released before I KILLED this one. Always leads to some awkward looks and a "you're a smartass" thrown my way. As hunters we harvest by killing, nothing wrong with it.
Post by: duckmen1 on October 28, 2013, 03:44:31 PM
I'm sorry but I couldn't resist
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 28, 2013, 03:45:14 PM
It can't be hdshot murdered a deer. :chuckle:
I'm sorry but I couldn't resist
I resisted.
:chuckle:
Post by: LndShrk on October 28, 2013, 03:48:10 PM
Fruits and vegetables are harvested. Game animals are killed. No need to sugar coat it, in my opinion.
:yeah:
Does a wolf harvest or kill? :yike:
Post by: Worldhunter on October 28, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on October 28, 2013, 03:55:33 PM
I need to shut up now. This could get ugly
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 04:01:31 PM
I chuckle at the "caught" term....I just explain that its not a fish...agreed
I had the killing talk with my son before we set out for our first hunt. I made (tried at least) to make sure he understood....we are killing, taking a life. What we do can not be undone. We own it. Hence, killing, not harvesting. However, I see your point and don't think you are wrong in any way by saying harvest has an implication of consumption above anything else.
Post by: hdshot on October 28, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
I chuckle at the "caught" term....I just explain that its not a fish...
I had the killing talk with my son before we set out for our first hunt. I made (tried at least) to make sure he understood....we are killing, taking a life. What we do can not be undone. We own it. Hence, killing, not harvesting. However, I see your point and don't think you are wrong in any way by saying harvest has an implication of consumption above anything else.
That's a good gun safety point, making sure of your target and not end up being a poacher or worse taking a human's life because the hunter can't take back a mistake.
Harvest mean success, taking the time to prepare, packing the animal out, and teaching that part of the sport as well. Kill just means nothing else and teaches nothing else about what we have to do.
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 04:10:48 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 04:11:42 PM
Kill may mean that to you, which is fine. However, just like harvest means something else to the next guy it doesnt mean it is wrong.
From dictionary.com...
kill1 /kɪl/ Show Spelled [kil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay. Synonyms: slaughter, massacre, butcher; hang, electrocute, behead, guillotine, strangle, garrote; assassinate.
2. to destroy; do away with; extinguish: His response killed our hopes.
3. to destroy or neutralize the active qualities of: to kill an odor.
4. to spoil the effect of: His extra brushwork killed the painting.
5. to cause (time) to be consumed with seeming rapidity or with a minimum of boredom, especially by engaging in some easy activity or amusement of passing interest: I had to kill three hours before plane time.
To deprive life. That is what the bullet/arrow/knife does.
We kill animals in order to consume their meat.
Post by: hdshot on October 28, 2013, 04:14:06 PM
If you're a man, you've just lost your man card..
Good, because I don't want the definition of your man card anyways.
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 04:18:49 PM
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 04:19:01 PM
Now I have to disagree....you forgot bumper/windshield
Kill may mean that to you, which is fine. However, just like harvest means something else to the next guy it doesnt mean it is wrong.
From dictionary.com...
kill1 /kɪl/ Show Spelled [kil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay. Synonyms: slaughter, massacre, butcher; hang, electrocute, behead, guillotine, strangle, garrote; assassinate.
2. to destroy; do away with; extinguish: His response killed our hopes.
3. to destroy or neutralize the active qualities of: to kill an odor.
4. to spoil the effect of: His extra brushwork killed the painting.
5. to cause (time) to be consumed with seeming rapidity or with a minimum of boredom, especially by engaging in some easy activity or amusement of passing interest: I had to kill three hours before plane time.
To deprive life. That is what the bullet/arrow/knife does.
We kill animals in order to consume their meat.
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 04:20:04 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 28, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 28, 2013, 04:23:00 PM
The WDFW can't use the term harvest because that term, by definition, is not what we do as hunters. We killed the deer. Period!!!
Now, I would suppose we taxpayers/license purchasers have provided the WDFW with some fancy computers. Them computers have a thesaurus on them. I know mine does.
They had options.... slay, slaughter, murder, execute, exterminate, eradicate, assassinate, massacre, dispatch, etc, etc, etc.
I could go for the term dispatch if the word kill is too rough on some.
Post by: Skillet on October 28, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
Long story short, only hunted birds since the reporting process for big game began because of no success back then so this was my 1st deer harvested and tag I bought in a long time and will never let this terrible experience happen again.
So, just so I get this right -
You never want to let this terrible experience OF REPORTING YOUR DEER AS A KILL happen again?? Or was it the actual killing, er, harvesting, that you found so despicable? I've harvested a few rows of grain and killed a few deer in my day. The harvest and the kill are different. You have to hunt to get your kill. If you have to hunt to get your harvest, better find another way of farming.
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 04:27:54 PM
Because of the term you are done deer hunting? For real?
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
Valid question...........I missed that part.More deer for me to kill next year
Because of the term you are done deer hunting? For real?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 28, 2013, 04:32:21 PM
I can see what you are trying to say and where you are coming from personally.
But in the subject of your original post, ie: the WDFW report, the highlighted part is all that matters for the report you filed...WDFW wants to know if you killed an animal, not whether you enjoyed it, learned or taught anyone anything or will ever do it again.
It is a statistical tool, not a life enrichment or altering program. The word kill clearly bothers you, but in the end, it is the action taken in order to get your game bird or animal.
Hunting is not always killing, killing is not the definitive definition of hunting, but killing is part of hunting and the generally accepted objective.
Congrats on your critter, hope you have many wonderful meals and memories.
Post by: cmiller85 on October 28, 2013, 04:33:12 PM
It seems like you have had too much politically correct BS hammered into your subconcious. Killing stuff is what we do as hunters. Nothing wrong with it. It is management of the species.
So when we say we are going deer hunting we are being politically correct? Your answer must be going deer killing. Also when we hunt legal we must be politically correct as well?
So if you are hunting legal don't tell me about being politically correct.
You lost me.
My post wasn't meant to offend you. I just meant that you shouldn't let the fact that you might offend some unwashed, crusty, pot-smoking hippie stop you from calling it what it is. Whether you say harvest or kill or that you sent your deer on a first class flight to the big green pasture in the sky, the end result is the same.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on October 28, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Post by: Skillet on October 28, 2013, 04:38:47 PM
I like "dirt nap" too. Can we get some more suggestions for alternatives to "Kill" for hdshot?
"put X's on his eyes"
etc...
When fishing, I give keepers the ol' "hickory haircut" or an "hickory shampoo". The big ones I have to lather, rinse and repeat... :chuckle:
Post by: Igottanewknee on October 28, 2013, 04:41:38 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on October 28, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
If you're a man, you've just lost your man card..
Good, because I don't want the definition of your man card anyways.
Ha! In all seriousness though where is your hang up with the difference in the terms. When your bullet/arrow ends the life of a critter you have just killed it. No need to *censored*foot around it, if you are having a mental hang up with it, are you sure you can continue hunting. Im being serious, first post I was just kidding around, but honestly a lot of issues can be born from this subject.
Post by: snowpack on October 28, 2013, 04:43:16 PM
Post by: Skillet on October 28, 2013, 04:44:06 PM
Put the pipe away...I know it's legal and all. First you kill, then you eat. Fish and birds too. I guess the mushrooms I eat are killed when I cut them off at the base. He may have talked the deer to death........ Just saying!!
Not to pick nits - but those mushrooms you get are actually just a part of the entire organism that you harvested - the fungus itself doesn't die. Just like that really special three-legged pig. So special, can't eat him all at once!
Post by: Buckmark on October 28, 2013, 04:45:15 PM
Post by: Skillet on October 28, 2013, 04:48:32 PM
Think smite/smote should make a comeback.
Natural Born Smiters
Post by: Igottanewknee on October 28, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
Post by: Buckmark on October 28, 2013, 04:51:05 PM
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I think this is the beginning of what happens when we raise kids a certian way, everyone gets a trophy and a lollipop, we are all special and to make things seem all happy and rainbows to appear we will make sure we use nice sounding words like harvest and make love....blah blah blah, we all know what that really means we kill and we &%$@....
Post by: turkeyfeather on October 28, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 04:57:57 PM
I can tell you i have never harvested a 6pack or a 5th, no sir i pretty much can kill a 6 pack or a 5th...and after i might try and finish that special 3 legged pig all by myself... :chuckle:I harvested some fifths last night/ Or maybe I farmed them?
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I think this is the beginning of what happens when we raise kids a certian way, everyone gets a trophy and a lollipop, we are all special and to make things seem all happy and rainbows to appear we will make sure we use nice sounding words like harvest and make love....blah blah blah, we all know what that really means we kill and we &%$@....
Post by: Skillet on October 28, 2013, 04:59:37 PM
Ok, ok, no more jokes from me. I get the "harvest" instead of "kill" thing. I use that term occasionally when in polite company or a professional forum myself. But when you're filling out an online report, by yourself, and this bothers you? Somebody's just not being honest with themselves about what they're doing out there.
Or - you're just trolling on here for your Monday afternoon jollies.
Post by: Old Man Yager on October 28, 2013, 05:02:45 PM
Post by: stevemiller on October 28, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
Post by: hdshot on October 28, 2013, 05:07:38 PM
Now I have to disagree....
Kill may mean that to you, which is fine. However, just like harvest means something else to the next guy it doesnt mean it is wrong.
From dictionary.com...
kill1 /kɪl/ Show Spelled [kil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1. to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay. Synonyms: slaughter, massacre, butcher; hang, electrocute, behead, guillotine, strangle, garrote; assassinate.
2. to destroy; do away with; extinguish: His response killed our hopes.
3. to destroy or neutralize the active qualities of: to kill an odor.
4. to spoil the effect of: His extra brushwork killed the painting.
5. to cause (time) to be consumed with seeming rapidity or with a minimum of boredom, especially by engaging in some easy activity or amusement of passing interest: I had to kill three hours before plane time.
To deprive life. That is what the bullet/arrow/knife does.
We kill animals in order to consume their meat.
We as hunters don't want to deprive life. We manage to save habitat to benefit life for wildlife as one example, not deprive life. Hunter have limits so we don't deprive life of the species.
Deprive life could mean you want them all gone.
Post by: RadSav on October 28, 2013, 05:08:06 PM
Post by: snowpack on October 28, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
Post by: AKBowman on October 28, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
My definition of "killing"; going out and shooting a free range animal, taking it back to your home and eating it.
IMO more people need to own what we do as hunters. It's our damn right to hunt and killing is different than harvesting. Killing is the goal of hunting something that is trying to evade you. Harvesting is different. I hate the term harvest it's over used by the fat guys on TV who mistake killing for harvesting. When you end up with blood on your hands you killed something.
Post by: h20hunter on October 28, 2013, 05:21:57 PM
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 05:29:08 PM
I, as a hunter and consumer of meat, certainly do wish to deprive the deer/bear/grouse/whatever of life. It makes them much easier to skind and turn into steaks if the life has been smited (smotted, to have smotten?) from their bodies.smitten?
It would be hard to skin a critter without killing it. I dont think it would be nearly as cooperative. On the plus side if you could get the steaks out without killing the critter you could keep them fresher longer correct?
Post by: grundy53 on October 28, 2013, 06:25:38 PM
My definition of "harvest" ; going on to a high fenced area, picking out an animal and shooting it.:yeah:
My definition of "killing"; going out and shooting a free range animal, taking it back to your home and eating it.
IMO more people need to own what we do as hunters. It's our damn right to hunt and killing is different than harvesting. Killing is the goal of hunting something that is trying to evade you. Harvesting is different. I hate the term harvest it's over used by the fat guys on TV who mistake killing for harvesting. When you end up with blood on your hands you killed something.
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Post by: Jonathan_S on October 28, 2013, 06:44:49 PM
Post by: MeatMaster on October 28, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
If you're a man, you've just lost your man card..:yeah:
Post by: JJB11B on October 28, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
It's easy to tell when most guys are in between hunting seasons on this site. Threads like this start popping up. :chuckle:ouch!
Post by: steen on October 28, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on October 28, 2013, 07:52:38 PM
They turn their Bambi into a monster buck with all them steroid enhanced food plots.
Post by: mrmoskillz on October 28, 2013, 09:19:53 PM
Post by: 2labs on October 28, 2013, 09:27:49 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 28, 2013, 09:38:44 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 28, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
...was put to rest.
...retired from service.
...is going to a better place.
...was terminated with extreme prejudice.
...croaked.
...faded away.
...passed away after a courageous battle with lead poisoning.
Post by: snowpack on October 28, 2013, 10:04:31 PM
Post by: Jellymon on October 28, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on October 28, 2013, 11:30:41 PM
:yeah:Fruits and vegetables are harvested. Game animals are killed. No need to sugar coat it, in my opinion.:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: furiouzgeorge on October 29, 2013, 12:40:35 AM
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 29, 2013, 01:12:54 AM
There are times in public I will use harvest or some softer word not for yuppies but just I. The polite side
Last year my wife and I were sitting eating dinner and this guy came and sat down at our table bragging about killing elk and I couldn't figure out why but then I seen him look at my elk-horn tattoo he went on about shooting cows but was doing it without respect to the animal or himself so I asked him to leave he said something smart ass and said I. Our camp we let the kids and women shoot cows and he left
That is the kind of guy that mAkes us look bad
Post by: grundy53 on October 29, 2013, 05:27:59 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 29, 2013, 05:36:51 AM
The definition of harvest is to gather crops. Animals are also crops.Animals are not crops, crops are non-animal species.
Post by: Smokepole on October 29, 2013, 06:21:18 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 29, 2013, 06:41:45 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on October 29, 2013, 06:45:19 AM
Your a deer slayer / killer / life ender / smiter...i.e. I hope you get the point. You killed it. It's 'life blood' was drained BECAUSE YOU POKED IT REALLY HARD WITH AN ARROW OR BULLET. It didn't say, "oh how awesome I'm being harvested!" It probably bleated...pumped...tried to scamper off, fell over, bled out, and died. You killed it!!!!! Killer!!!!!!! And most important of all, it's OK. Good job! Congratulations! We are not harvesters...I don't farm deer. I seek to deprive them of their life and habitat...err, change their habitat to resemble my freezer. I don't save their seeds...yuk...I don't replant for next year...I'm a killer, and am totally comfortable with that. Man up, enjoy the meat, or drop it off at my house and swear off hunting...er, killing! Either way...no more of this nonsense... :rolleyes:I nearly spit out my coffee. Thanks for the laugh this morning. :chuckle:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 29, 2013, 07:03:51 AM
Post by: Elkslayer on October 29, 2013, 07:28:53 AM
Post by: JPhelps on October 29, 2013, 07:53:57 AM
Harvest= defenseless food
Kill= food that can escape
Post by: Mike450r on October 29, 2013, 08:02:42 AM
Post by: curlewkiller on October 29, 2013, 11:34:48 AM
thats all, Superman signing off....
Post by: JJB11B on October 29, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
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Post by: Buckmark on October 29, 2013, 11:48:49 AM
Although I do not agree with the OP, you manly-men calling out his manhood are over the top. BTW, where do you get the "man card"? Maybe you guys should man-up and let us know how to maximize our manliness.mancards
thats all, Superman signing off....
1. All men are born with one (1) mancard. A mancard is a symbolic phrase to recognize manliness within the human population.
2. You may gain extra mancards throughout your life by doing manly things.
a. Manly things include, but are not limited to:
i. Firing your first gun
ii. Getting in a fight with a respectable opponent, bullying does not count and will result in removal of a mancard.
iii. Standing up for your woman, family, the innocent, or friends.
iv. Being a true gentleman.
v. Breaking twenty-five miles per hour over the speed limit.
vi. Beating a video game deemed manly and worthy of playing by other men.
1. Halo (1,2,3,ODST)
2. Gears of War
3. Left 4 Dead
4. Goldeneye
vii. Showing your knowledge of AND preparedness for a zombiepocalypse OR nuclear holocaust AND having that knowledge be evaluated by another man who has already received a mancard for this reason. Knowledge includes knowing how to survive AND helping others survive insofar as it does not impede your own survival.
b. Manly things are decided by other men currently in possession of a mancard. If you do something manly when no other men are around you may record the event and claim a mancard however upon telling the story at a later date another man must give you a mancard in recognition of the manliness, if this does not happen that man card is not effective.
3. Mancards may be taken at ANY time by ANY man for acts that a real man should be ashamed of, regret, or simply make them less of...
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 29, 2013, 11:53:01 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2013, 11:59:32 AM
Henceforth all beers I drink will be referred to as slain or slayed. Animals however are still merely hunted as I have yet to slay anything...except that rat in the grain that I dropped my hammer (3lb in case it matters) on. I have caught and slain fish a nice swift konk over the head with an old axe handle works well :dunno:
and my girl card was never issued I don't like shopping malls or gossip and that keeps me out of the girl club. :dunno:
call it whatever you want and good luck out there regardless.
Post by: hdshot on October 29, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
I never understood that term. I think that is a term developed for TV to make hunting shows appear to be more sensitive.
No, the word harvest did not come from the TV. It has been said for years and is a tradition term, I will admit that part. Hunting with the old timers back in my youth they loved to hunt but looked at it as a harvest. Meaning hunters can't just get anything and everything at any time. We have to let the wildlife rest, breed, develop, be selective, and a process. Also manage habitat is a big subject as well, no soil and water equals no crop as well as no habitat equals no wildlife.
Kill in the dictionary uses many harsh words to describe, such as deprive, suffer, destroy, weaken, pain, neutralize, dilute, defeat, and very funny.
Those words have never come to mind when I hunt.
Post by: snowpack on October 29, 2013, 12:24:29 PM
Although I do not agree with the OP, you manly-men calling out his manhood are over the top. BTW, where do you get the "man card"? Maybe you guys should man-up and let us know how to maximize our manliness.mancards
thats all, Superman signing off....
1. All men are born with one (1) mancard. A mancard is a symbolic phrase to recognize manliness within the human population.
2. You may gain extra mancards throughout your life by doing manly things.
a. Manly things include, but are not limited to:
i. Firing your first gun
ii. Getting in a fight with a respectable opponent, bullying does not count and will result in removal of a mancard.
iii. Standing up for your woman, family, the innocent, or friends.
iv. Being a true gentleman.
v. Breaking twenty-five miles per hour over the speed limit.
vi. Beating a video game deemed manly and worthy of playing by other men.
1. Halo (1,2,3,ODST)
2. Gears of War
3. Left 4 Dead
4. Goldeneye
vii. Showing your knowledge of AND preparedness for a zombiepocalypse OR nuclear holocaust AND having that knowledge be evaluated by another man who has already received a mancard for this reason. Knowledge includes knowing how to survive AND helping others survive insofar as it does not impede your own survival.
b. Manly things are decided by other men currently in possession of a mancard. If you do something manly when no other men are around you may record the event and claim a mancard however upon telling the story at a later date another man must give you a mancard in recognition of the manliness, if this does not happen that man card is not effective.
3. Mancards may be taken at ANY time by ANY man for acts that a real man should be ashamed of, regret, or simply make them less of...
Don't you get cards for fighting off multiple german shepards and their angry owner? :peep:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 29, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on October 29, 2013, 02:41:27 PM
Many states have harvest tags for killing an animal. Washington uses transport tags. I've never heard of a kill tag tho, but you do need to kill them to harvest them or transport them. Well not always, but it is safer.
Ya I tried to transport a coyote that was not all the way harvested one time. Must have been knocked out for a few hours. Anyway, long story short, went to grab a drink out of the bed of the truck and he was snarling at me sitting up. :yike:, 509er distracted him while I grabbed his tail to get him out so I could harvest him one more time. My all time favorite campfire story to date.
Post by: akirkland on October 29, 2013, 02:58:04 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on October 29, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on October 29, 2013, 03:11:17 PM
If you're a man, you've just lost your man card..haha
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on October 29, 2013, 03:27:10 PM
Well ...he could be like my mother :chuckle: :chuckle: she always ask me if I caught anything :dunno: :yike:
Did she ask this after cougar hunting? :chuckle:
Post by: Lingcod on October 29, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
Post by: furiouzgeorge on October 30, 2013, 12:04:20 AM
Post by: RadSav on October 30, 2013, 02:30:36 AM
At the license dealer they ask "how many forest grouse did you harvest last year" seems weird they would say "kill" for deer and elk.
Game birds and game animals are a states bounty. As are the product of a farmers field. So I assume "Harvest Reports" would then be the appropriate verbiage. They do list kills per hunter as a "Success Ratio" instead of a "Harvest Ratio". That is probably appropriate too as they are then listing the individuals kill rather than the broader states over all harvest.
Again I could care less what individuals choose to call it. And for me I will always harvest the meat from the animals I kill. If someone who prefers "undocumented immigrant", "eastern combatant" and "whatever ancestors birth place American" has a problem with it. I guess that's too bad for them. Denial of reality is not my thing.
Post by: hdshot on November 01, 2013, 02:18:34 PM
Your a deer slayer / killer / life ender / smiter...i.e. I hope you get the point. You killed it. It's 'life blood' was drained BECAUSE YOU POKED IT REALLY HARD WITH AN ARROW OR BULLET. It didn't say, "oh how awesome I'm being harvested!" It probably bleated...pumped...tried to scamper off, fell over, bled out, and died. You killed it!!!!! Killer!!!!!!! And most important of all, it's OK. Good job! Congratulations! We are not harvesters...I don't farm deer. I seek to deprive them of their life and habitat...err, change their habitat to resemble my freezer. I don't save their seeds...yuk...I don't replant for next year...I'm a killer, and am totally comfortable with that. Man up, enjoy the meat, or drop it off at my house and swear off hunting...er, killing! Either way...no more of this nonsense... :rolleyes:
Harvest is a no nonsense word for responsibility. So no I did not kill because just a deer in the woods. Now, can agree it might make people wannabe killers based on other comments here, but in reality not killers. Sorry for not being in the "wannabe" crowd.
Post by: h20hunter on November 01, 2013, 02:26:07 PM
Post by: LndShrk on November 01, 2013, 02:42:48 PM
Harvest is a no nonsense word for responsibility. So no I did not kill because just a deer in the woods. Now, can agree it might make people wannabe killers based on other comments here, but in reality not killers. Sorry for not being in the "wannabe" crowd.
Harvest and Responsibility have zero ties. :sry:
Now Harvest and Sensitivity they most certainly go hand in hand. :tup:
Post by: Skinnyguts on November 02, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
Post by: luckyman on November 02, 2013, 04:40:13 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 02, 2013, 06:56:20 AM
Fruits and vegetables are harvested. Game animals are killed. No need to sugar coat it, in my opinion.:yeah:
Post by: lhrbull on November 02, 2013, 07:09:55 AM
Post by: Skillet on November 02, 2013, 07:21:47 AM
Your a deer slayer / killer / life ender / smiter...i.e. I hope you get the point. You killed it. It's 'life blood' was drained BECAUSE YOU POKED IT REALLY HARD WITH AN ARROW OR BULLET. It didn't say, "oh how awesome I'm being harvested!" It probably bleated...pumped...tried to scamper off, fell over, bled out, and died. You killed it!!!!! Killer!!!!!!! And most important of all, it's OK. Good job! Congratulations! We are not harvesters...I don't farm deer. I seek to deprive them of their life and habitat...err, change their habitat to resemble my freezer. I don't save their seeds...yuk...I don't replant for next year...I'm a killer, and am totally comfortable with that. Man up, enjoy the meat, or drop it off at my house and swear off hunting...er, killing! Either way...no more of this nonsense... :rolleyes:
Harvest is a no nonsense word for responsibility. So no I did not kill because just a deer in the woods. Now, can agree it might make people wannabe killers based on other comments here, but in reality not killers. Sorry for not being in the "wannabe" crowd.
Actually, I'd say "responsibility" is a no-nonsense word for responsibility... you are the one here with such a personal issue with the word kill here. What's nonsense Is your ridiculous refusal to accept kill as what you do when you take a life. The rest of these people are replying to your posts with honesty about what we do. You could try being honest about your role Iin the hunt yourself Instead of going all PC and trying to get people on here to agree with you on renaming It... Rather, you decide to accuse people of being wannabe's if they dont agree with you. Interesting choice. At first I thought you were a knucklehead, then came to think you may have started and partook in a valuable discussion. But you're back to knucklehead since you obviously aren't willing to even listen to what people are trying to tell you.
Post by: huntandjeep on November 02, 2013, 09:06:14 AM
Post by: runamuk on November 02, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
When we try to use words we think are kinder and gentler we simply remove ourselves from the entire realm of death which displaces us from understanding and valuing life. When I hear people say people no longer value life I think its because they have sheltered themselves and sugar coated death.
call it whatever you want but you still have killed an animal.
Post by: Skinnyguts on November 02, 2013, 03:02:39 PM
You do realize also that they kill cows pigs sheep goats etc for the grocery bins? When you take an animal to the slaughter house they first go to the kill pens, thats the penning area they are in prior to being shot in the head with a bolt, a gun, or in a kosher or halal establishment they have the neck slit open with a knife thats been blessed. I do not know of any form of meat that can become food that hasn't undergone being killed.
When we try to use words we think are kinder and gentler we simply remove ourselves from the entire realm of death which displaces us from understanding and valuing life. When I hear people say people no longer value life I think its because they have sheltered themselves and sugar coated death.
call it whatever you want but you still have killed an animal.
Perfect
Post by: rasbo on November 03, 2013, 03:33:08 AM
now Im gonna go kill some frigging yotes :yike:
Post by: bendotti on November 03, 2013, 07:21:23 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 03, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Run nailed it
Post by: Savage3006 on November 03, 2013, 01:21:45 PM
Post by: vicegripdog on November 04, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
Even non hunters know what you did.
I hope I kill a big Whitetail this weekend!
Post by: grundy53 on November 14, 2013, 05:14:28 AM
Wow, I'm going to need to get my milking boots on because the BS is really starting to get deep.Your a deer slayer / killer / life ender / smiter...i.e. I hope you get the point. You killed it. It's 'life blood' was drained BECAUSE YOU POKED IT REALLY HARD WITH AN ARROW OR BULLET. It didn't say, "oh how awesome I'm being harvested!" It probably bleated...pumped...tried to scamper off, fell over, bled out, and died. You killed it!!!!! Killer!!!!!!! And most important of all, it's OK. Good job! Congratulations! We are not harvesters...I don't farm deer. I seek to deprive them of their life and habitat...err, change their habitat to resemble my freezer. I don't save their seeds...yuk...I don't replant for next year...I'm a killer, and am totally comfortable with that. Man up, enjoy the meat, or drop it off at my house and swear off hunting...er, killing! Either way...no more of this nonsense... :rolleyes:
Harvest is a no nonsense word for responsibility. So no I did not kill because just a deer in the woods. Now, can agree it might make people wannabe killers based on other comments here, but in reality not killers. Sorry for not being in the "wannabe" crowd.
Post by: Houndhunter on November 14, 2013, 06:27:28 AM
Post by: hdshot on January 08, 2014, 02:45:02 PM
Your a deer slayer / killer / life ender / smiter...i.e. I hope you get the point. You killed it. It's 'life blood' was drained BECAUSE YOU POKED IT REALLY HARD WITH AN ARROW OR BULLET. It didn't say, "oh how awesome I'm being harvested!" It probably bleated...pumped...tried to scamper off, fell over, bled out, and died. You killed it!!!!! Killer!!!!!!! And most important of all, it's OK. Good job! Congratulations! We are not harvesters...I don't farm deer. I seek to deprive them of their life and habitat...err, change their habitat to resemble my freezer. I don't save their seeds...yuk...I don't replant for next year...I'm a killer, and am totally comfortable with that. Man up, enjoy the meat, or drop it off at my house and swear off hunting...er, killing! Either way...no more of this nonsense... :rolleyes:
Harvest is a no nonsense word for responsibility. So no I did not kill because just a deer in the woods. Now, can agree it might make people wannabe killers based on other comments here, but in reality not killers. Sorry for not being in the "wannabe" crowd.
Actually, I'd say "responsibility" is a no-nonsense word for responsibility... you are the one here with such a personal issue with the word kill here. What's nonsense Is your ridiculous refusal to accept kill as what you do when you take a life. The rest of these people are replying to your posts with honesty about what we do. You could try being honest about your role Iin the hunt yourself Instead of going all PC and trying to get people on here to agree with you on renaming It... Rather, you decide to accuse people of being wannabe's if they dont agree with you. Interesting choice. At first I thought you were a knucklehead, then came to think you may have started and partook in a valuable discussion. But you're back to knucklehead since you obviously aren't willing to even listen to what people are trying to tell you.
I am listening and your the one that accused me of being a killer. Nothing is going to change your mind but thought it was wrong how the verbiage was in the report hunters have to fill out by law and didn't accuse anyone on here. Your the one that accuses, then got your feelings hurt and turns things around here on the PC. Just go by your killers license and kill. Ok are your happy I used kill because you are the one that wants me to agree with you? I didn't care if anyone agrees with me or not to begin with and prefer you don't agree with me because you sound like a slob.
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
Post by: Ccortez on January 08, 2014, 02:49:55 PM
The thread that refuses to die, kill, or get harvested.
:yeah: was hoping this thread was harvested already..
Post by: Bigshooter on January 08, 2014, 02:52:34 PM
The thread that refuses to die, kill, or get harvested.
:yeah: was hoping this thread was harvested already..
I would kill it if I could.
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 08, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
He's a harvesting machine!
Post by: elkfins on January 08, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
I didn't kill my deer or elk this year, I anchored them to the spot they were at with a 165 grain chunk of lead.
Post by: Dave of TDG-Farms on January 08, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
Post by: Damnimissed on January 08, 2014, 09:35:42 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 09, 2014, 08:59:32 AM
Post by: h20hunter on January 09, 2014, 09:03:11 AM
I harvested a monster burrito last night and it's killing me this morning. :o
Thats awesome....well done.
Post by: Skillet on January 09, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
I do have to admit, I'm a little bit curious about what the OP is going to say when he dredges this thread up again in another two months. Winter crab card harvest reports are due, so that is probably what spurred this recent post :chuckle:
Post by: hdshot on January 09, 2014, 10:19:02 AM
I killed an apple the other day..... :chuckle:
I understand what you are saying! Harvest the apple but don't kill the tree. Took me awhile to understand your brain teaser and you have the best post for what hunting is about. Harvest your animal but don't kill off the species that represents the tree.
Post by: h20hunter on January 09, 2014, 10:20:01 AM
Post by: runamuk on January 09, 2014, 11:18:54 AM
My barn cat harvested a mouse last night.
He's a harvesting machine!
so does this make him a harvester?
Post by: h20hunter on January 09, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 11:36:38 AM
Post by: Buckmark on January 09, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
If he kills one mouse and one rat he would be a combine harvester.And if you take him out of the country and let him do it he would be an International Harvester.... :chuckle:
Post by: Becky on January 09, 2014, 11:39:28 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 09, 2014, 11:39:50 AM
I wear sitka gear, load performance rounds, and call convincingly with a $200 foxpro and $120 orange light beam, hoping to bring them within harvesting range :bfg:
Post by: h20hunter on January 09, 2014, 11:51:49 AM
If he kills one mouse and one rat he would be a combine harvester.And if you take him out of the country and let him do it he would be an International Harvester.... :chuckle:
Well done sir.
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 11:54:36 AM
If he kills one mouse and one rat he would be a combine harvester.And if you take him out of the country and let him do it he would be an International Harvester.... :chuckle:
:chuckle: Nice.
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 09, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
And an international harvester at that.My barn cat harvested a mouse last night.
He's a harvesting machine!
so does this make him a harvester?
He's a siamese. :chuckle:
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 05:56:58 PM
wannabe killers "wannabe" crowd.
Curious choice of words.
I am certainly no "wannabe"
You should read my dossier sometime. And I'm not the only one here.
Furthermore, anyone who kills an animal is not a "wannabe" if they commit the act.
I could care less what term you use, that's your business and I have no issue with it.
Congratulations to everyone who killed an animal this year, I wish I would have.
Post by: buckfvr on January 09, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: JLS on January 09, 2014, 06:46:51 PM
I harvest mushrooms and berries and the like...........before I can harvest an animal, I must kill it.........
What if you run over it with a combine, then what term do you use? :)
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
I harvest mushrooms and berries and the like...........before I can harvest an animal, I must kill it.........
What if you run over it with a combine, then what term do you use? :)
That would cause unnecessary suffering.
Kill it, then process it with the combine.
Post by: YoteSlayer61 on January 09, 2014, 07:08:12 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 07:12:29 PM
Wow I can't believe I just read all of these seriously who cares kill hunt harvest same damn thing.....animals were put on this earth for our use, as long as you eat it, kill it, shoot it, murder it, harvest it, slaughter it :bash: :dunno:....I'm going to read something else now
Congrats, now you're part of this disaster. :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 07:17:04 PM
I harvested a number of fawns with a swather, and combine too.
That couldn't have been pleasant.
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2014, 07:24:29 PM
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 07:33:02 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
long pole with a sliding ring and stops to keep the dog out of the wheels, and it couldn't stop and get harvested.
it's a bad idea and would just overheat/kill the dog from exhausting. forget I said it :chuckle:
but maybe the pole could have some drop legs or chains to spook up the fawns ahead of the swather
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 07:41:14 PM
I don't know how fast you go but would a spooked deer have time to cut & run?
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
but for those really fast self propelled swathers nothing is going to work - they really scoot! and cut a wide swath.
I was thinking farmer john with old equipment, like me! :chuckle:
Post by: wildweeds on January 09, 2014, 07:47:12 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2F9147DSCN0598.JPG&hash=3e7175d53e182e86a835288c822fa0e8f3e4add2)
I harvested a number of fawns with a swather, and combine too.
Post by: scout/sniper on January 09, 2014, 07:49:00 PM
I was thinking farmer john with old equipment, like me! :chuckle:
I know the feeling. :chuckle:
Post by: JLS on January 09, 2014, 09:07:12 PM
You would probably harvest a bunch of dogs.
I almost baled up my blue heeler when I was in college, he was running around and saw a mouse in my windrow. :o
Post by: Dan-o on January 09, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
You would probably harvest a bunch of dogs.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Pay attention and you will see an inordinate amount of 3-legged dogs in wheat country.
Post by: Dan-o on January 09, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
It seems to me that if you didn't kill the deer, but gutted it and took the meat, that is just a disgusting and depraved act. It would have been MUCH more humane to kill it first.
Post by: Dan-o on January 10, 2014, 08:02:54 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 10, 2014, 08:10:33 AM
It appears that I killed this thread. Nothing more to be harvested here....
Maybe there is something to this?
You know, like we could develop a practice of harvesting without killing. Tranquilization and some minor invasive surgery. Pull a couple of sliders or maybe enough for a burger and then the deer will wake up with a few stitches and go on it's merry way.
Same thing with fish...fillet and release!
Post by: scout/sniper on January 10, 2014, 08:18:03 AM
It appears that I killed this thread. Nothing more to be harvested here....
Maybe there is something to this?
You know, like we could develop a practice of harvesting without killing. Tranquilization and some minor invasive surgery. Pull a couple of sliders or maybe enough for a burger and then the deer will wake up with a few stitches and go on it's merry way.
Same thing with fish...fillet and release!
Very responsible thinking Jon.
WDFW could sell us a physician authorization, and open an air rifle season.
After you purchase the required stamps and permits of course.
Evidence of sex would look great mounted on the wall.
Post by: h20hunter on January 10, 2014, 08:24:02 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 10, 2014, 08:27:53 AM
Here is the problem.....this is already going on. Plenty of meat being harvested out there. Sometimes only a qtr or two is taken, sometimes just the head and the back straps, maybe the loins. So, meat is being harvested but the problem is the darn deer/elk (usually) still ends up being killed! Imagine that.Exactly.
Like the elk that was dispatched in the Blues.
The hunter harvest the head and cape. Then left the killed meat to be packed out the next day.
So, is this instance is it a harvest or a kill and how would one responsibly and accurately complete the WDFW kill report card?
Post by: h20hunter on January 10, 2014, 08:38:40 AM
The whole "oh I don't wanna call it a kill because that is such a "wrong" term" simply doesn't hold water. It is simply not a logical argument. You don't want to kill an animal, fine, eat carrots, don't hunt, fish, or consume anything that has a face. Whatever...no skin off my back. But don't try and tell me your aren't killing an animal simply because you plan on eating its flesh therefore it is now a harvest. It simply isn't. You are killing something. Its a serious deal. The deprivation of life typically is. Once something is dead or has been killed you may harvest what you want. If a criminal is shot during a crime they get themselves killed. Afterwards if the liver is used or lungs, well then those organs are harvested. When bambi makes a mistake and looks back at 30 yards and you fling an arrow through her lungs she is going to DIE. She has been KILLED. Not harvested, KILLED. Once she is down, harvest away.
Post by: KFhunter on January 10, 2014, 08:43:25 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 10, 2014, 08:47:17 AM
unless you're harvesting a road kill - then that argument is out the window :chuckle:but that's not legal here right?
Post by: KFhunter on January 10, 2014, 08:49:14 AM
unless you're harvesting a road kill - then that argument is out the window :chuckle:but that's not legal here right?
no, but it is in other states.
besides someone was talking about surgically removing a couple of slider muscles for a burger or two then releasing the deer - that got to be illegal too :chuckle:
Post by: scout/sniper on January 10, 2014, 09:40:41 AM
unless you're harvesting a road kill - then that argument is out the window :chuckle:
Did you find it dead?
Or did you kill it with a vehicle and it became roadkill?
Post by: hdshot on January 10, 2014, 12:02:42 PM
I can't believe I just wasted 15 minutes of my life on this nonsense...
I didn't kill my deer or elk this year, I anchored them to the spot they were at with a 165 grain chunk of lead.
No you didn't waste 15 minutes. You started to think about what hunters do that don't get the credit for but then you started to read one negative comment after another of buzz words and bullies. Then you let them take away about the only power you have is to think for yourself. You did more than most but our founding fathers created this nation for us not to think for just 15 minutes but for a life time. Think for yourself in some other countries your fined, jailed, or even killed.
Post by: scout/sniper on January 10, 2014, 12:13:14 PM
This entire cluster-fudge of a thread needs harvested.
Post by: elkfins on January 10, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
I can't believe I just wasted 15 minutes of my life on this nonsense...
I didn't kill my deer or elk this year, I anchored them to the spot they were at with a 165 grain chunk of lead.
No you didn't waste 15 minutes. You started to think about what hunters do that don't get the credit for but then you started to read one negative comment after another of buzz words and bullies. Then you let them take away about the only power you have is to think for yourself. You did more than most but our founding fathers created this nation for us not to think for just 15 minutes but for a life time. Think for yourself in some other countries your fined, jailed, or even killed.
I'm really not sure how you got that they took my power to think for myself away. In fact, I'm starting to think that you're a blazing idiot... and I came up with that thought all by myself.
Post by: h20hunter on January 10, 2014, 12:51:10 PM
Post by: erk444 on January 11, 2014, 10:48:10 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 12, 2014, 12:14:05 AM
Post by: Expedition Scout on January 12, 2014, 10:02:05 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on January 12, 2014, 03:24:02 PM
Post by: stringer on January 12, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 12, 2014, 06:08:40 PM
I just hope you know that while several of us poked some fun, we did it in good humor (at least I tried to).
No big deal to have a difference of opinion...... Some of us just get bored and like to poke a little fun.
Certainly, no offense meant. :tup:
Post by: dreamunelk on January 12, 2014, 06:09:52 PM
Post by: stringer on January 12, 2014, 06:17:16 PM
HDSHOT,:yeah:
I just hope you know that while several of us poked some fun, we did it in good humor (at least I tried to).
No big deal to have a difference of opinion...... Some of us just get bored and like to poke a little fun.
Certainly, no offense meant. :tup:
Post by: runamuk on January 12, 2014, 06:22:15 PM
It's a full on buzz harvest.oh I love buzzharvest.....adding to the lexicon of absurdity
Post by: rasbo on January 12, 2014, 06:22:48 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 12, 2014, 07:21:26 PM
HDSHOT,It's all fun and games till someone cops a 'tude. :chuckle:
I just hope you know that while several of us poked some fun, we did it in good humor (at least I tried to).
No big deal to have a difference of opinion...... Some of us just get bored and like to poke a little fun.
Certainly, no offense meant. :tup:
Post by: hdshot on February 11, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
HDSHOT,
I just hope you know that while several of us poked some fun, we did it in good humor (at least I tried to).
No big deal to have a difference of opinion...... Some of us just get bored and like to poke a little fun.
Certainly, no offense meant. :tup:
No, just using facts what hunting is about, the hunter who is being roasted on here. If poking fun at me, just wasting your time, just don't know, or care. Same as if you tell the teacher 2+2=4 and then I bash you for being wrong how would you feel? Hunters are the first to use conservation but today that means being politically correct. Having pride in donating money to save habitat to keep our sport alive and well must be trying to be politically correct. Obvious we have forgotten our history how much hunters have had to conserve from the past to have what we have today and we poke fun at them for that. If they just killed the way Olympia thinks, we would of had no wildlife decades ago.
Nothing I can do about it but that is how today's hunters has failed, fooled into thinking what hunters do is just a smoke screen.
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
If you end somethings life you have killed it. Bottom line.
Post by: hdshot on February 11, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
Man killed animals for food and shelter long before any PC wishywashy harvest vs. kill debates came out.
If you end somethings life you have killed it. Bottom line.
We manage whether herd of deer or trees in the forest. Why does the state even want reports on their animals? That's right the bottom line is to manage herds. Not to manage that 1 deer, 1 elk, or 1 bear a hunter legally takes. Just a basic scale because more animals bagged then herds are healthy and less bagged then herds are low to help set seasons in the future. But this state seems to use verbage to put out statistics to show X-amount deer killed to the non hunting public to get their heart bleeding. Sorry my heart won't bleed because hunters have more purpose than that and we should know better.
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2014, 03:20:12 PM
Hunters kill animals. We kill them with bullets fired from guns, arrows from bows.......
Once the animal is killed we harvest the meat, organs, hide, bones....etc.
If you want to start another thread about the states verbage then please, feel free. However, no matter what you do we still kill animals. Hunters have done that since they took a rock and brained the first critter and cooked it up.
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2014, 03:22:54 PM
Why is the word kill used because that is a word to describe an illegal act in most cases? Hunters don't kill, we harvest legal as if the animal was like a berry we pick in the summer as example.
The word kill is most certainly not used to describe an illegal act in most cases. I killed a fly. I killed a deer. Kill the lights. You are killing me. If anything the word kill is used to describe completely legal acts in most cases.
Post by: Skillet on February 11, 2014, 03:27:52 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2014, 03:29:38 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 11, 2014, 03:35:34 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 11, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 11, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
Killing is serious stuff. It is heavy duty and should be taken that way.
:yeah: rifles, pistols, and bows are killing tools, I would freak if someone pointed one at me because it is designed to kill.
I am not afraid if someone points a combine or apple ladder at me because they are designed to harvest.
hdshot, when it appears that the entire hunting community is not agreeing with you I think you got your answer.
Post by: hdshot on February 11, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
What are you even talking about?
Hunters kill animals. We kill them with bullets fired from guns, arrows from bows.......
Once the animal is killed we harvest the meat, organs, hide, bones....etc.
If you want to start another thread about the states verbage then please, feel free. However, no matter what you do we still kill animals. Hunters have done that since they took a rock and brained the first critter and cooked it up.
You just have to donate some time and or hard earned money to habitat projects to understand to keep hunting alive. I also was around on how this word kill was tossed around to ban hound hunting and baiting in this state. Just seems like some old tricks could be used against us because I feel this state has the voting power to ban hunting. Those hound and baiting bans passed easy.
When I was talking about why the state wants the hunter to report and you don't what I'm talking about? Man just wow, not good. This is worse than I thought. Sorry being nice but I thought hunters had the very basics down more. How does 1000bc hunters come to this? That is the crap the gun control crowd uses.
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2014, 04:08:47 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 11, 2014, 04:16:35 PM
All useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.well it depends who's firing the bullet if its me I do it scare the crap out of them so I can harvest it for fuel like the Indians did with buffalo chips. If I kill them I won't have any buffalo chips for my fire. :stirthepot:
Post by: deltaops on February 11, 2014, 04:32:37 PM
I am tired of people saying that we need to be politically correct. Call it what you want and let me call it what I want.
Post by: hunter399 on February 11, 2014, 05:30:32 PM
Post by: hardrichard on February 11, 2014, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: kirkthoma on February 11, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
Post by: hdshot on February 12, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
All useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 12, 2014, 10:48:48 AM
I'm confused. That made very little to no sense to me. :dunno:All useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
Post by: h20hunter on February 12, 2014, 10:50:18 AM
Post by: Ccortez on February 12, 2014, 10:57:24 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 12, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
Post by: Ccortez on February 12, 2014, 11:04:31 AM
Post by: Buckmark on February 12, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
*
•• Immediately and completely remove the tag
notches that indicate the month and day the
animal was killed.
•• Immediately attach your appropriate tag to the
animal you've killed.
*
So if you tagged it you acknowledge that you killed it as per following the instructions, or did you not tag it?
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 12, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
If there is a way to harvest meat without killing an animal I would love to see it...
:chuckle: tranquilizers and a good clean Havalon knife and you might be able to pull a tenderloin or enough for a few sliders.
Post by: Skillet on February 12, 2014, 11:12:06 AM
If there is a way to harvest meat without killing an animal I would love to see it...
I wouldn't want to see that at all... sounds like a bad scene from "Hostel IV" or something.
Post by: Ccortez on February 12, 2014, 11:15:39 AM
If there is a way to harvest meat without killing an animal I would love to see it...
:chuckle: tranquilizers and a good clean Havalon knife and you might be able to pull a tenderloin or enough for a few sliders.
I wouldn't eat it after its been tranquilized the drugs would either kill you or mess you up bad lol
Post by: Dave of TDG-Farms on February 12, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 12, 2014, 01:22:41 PM
If there is a way to harvest meat without killing an animal I would love to see it...
I wouldn't want to see that at all... sounds like a bad scene from "Hostel IV" or something.
There was some Japanese chef that cut a piece of his rear off and cooked it up. I think it was done in a sukiyaki. If that matters :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on February 12, 2014, 01:39:14 PM
Think more rocky mountain oyster....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tokyo-police-launch-probe-chef-mao-sugiyama-human-genitals-dinner-article-1.1103112 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tokyo-police-launch-probe-chef-mao-sugiyama-human-genitals-dinner-article-1.1103112)
Post by: Ccortez on February 12, 2014, 01:54:49 PM
Sorry...I don't think it was his rear.....
Think more rocky mountain oyster....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tokyo-police-launch-probe-chef-mao-sugiyama-human-genitals-dinner-article-1.1103112 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/tokyo-police-launch-probe-chef-mao-sugiyama-human-genitals-dinner-article-1.1103112)
What is wrong with people these days
Post by: h20hunter on February 12, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
Post by: smalldog on February 12, 2014, 06:51:09 PM
Post by: hdshot on February 21, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
Killing is serious stuff. It is heavy duty and should be taken that way.
:yeah: rifles, pistols, and bows are killing tools, I would freak if someone pointed one at me because it is designed to kill.
I am not afraid if someone points a combine or apple ladder at me because they are designed to harvest.
hdshot, when it appears that the entire hunting community is not agreeing with you I think you got your answer.
Yes and no I got my answer. No one seems to understand or care hunter reports are just a tool to manage.
On the yes part. As a hunter I have always looked at our sport as a privilege, freedom, reality, and responsibility that is for keeps. I have come to realize other hunters can't use common sense and looks at our sport as a video game. So I'm going to let my subscriptions for habitat run out, donate no more money or time towards habitat, and stop volunteering at hunters education. It's your sport, advertise the way you want. I'm just going to buy what the law makes us to hunt because not going to spend any more of my hard earned money to help this type of behavior survive demonstrated by other hunters on here.
I would like to say thank you to the Hunting Washington Forum.
Post by: h20hunter on February 21, 2014, 11:39:17 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 21, 2014, 11:45:57 AM
Uma Thurman is such a bad@$$ :rockin:
jokes, thanks for the entertainment hdshot :tup:
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 23, 2014, 04:59:59 PM
Just reported a deer I harvested. But the questions only asked if I killed it which made me feel like I did something illegal. Why is the word kill used because that is a word to describe an illegal act in most cases? Hunters don't kill, we harvest legal as if the animal was like a berry we pick in the summer as example.
The main thing that makes me upset is we are looked at as killers as I found out these days and we allowed that to happen? If my report was not done already I would call it in to talk with a person and they would have to ask me for the report and change the word from kill to harvest because I did not kill anything. Gawd, I'm so PO'ed with myself to fall in that trap! :bash:
Long story short, only hunted birds since the reporting process for big game began because of no success back then so this was my 1st deer harvested and tag I bought in a long time and will never let this terrible experience happen again.
Post by: elkfins on February 23, 2014, 05:16:14 PM
Yes and no I got my answer. No one seems to understand or care hunter reports are just a tool to manage.
On the yes part. As a hunter I have always looked at our sport as a privilege, freedom, reality, and responsibility that is for keeps. I have come to realize other hunters can't use common sense and looks at our sport as a video game. So I'm going to let my subscriptions for habitat run out, donate no more money or time towards habitat, and stop volunteering at hunters education. It's your sport, advertise the way you want. I'm just going to buy what the law makes us to hunt because not going to spend any more of my hard earned money to help this type of behavior survive demonstrated by other hunters on here.
I would like to say thank you to the Hunting Washington Forum.
After reading your posts on this thread and seeing how they ramble meaninglessly and make zero sense, I've come to one conclusion...
You are smoking way too much weed dude. Put the bong down.
Post by: hdshot on February 24, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
Yes and no I got my answer. No one seems to understand or care hunter reports are just a tool to manage.
On the yes part. As a hunter I have always looked at our sport as a privilege, freedom, reality, and responsibility that is for keeps. I have come to realize other hunters can't use common sense and looks at our sport as a video game. So I'm going to let my subscriptions for habitat run out, donate no more money or time towards habitat, and stop volunteering at hunters education. It's your sport, advertise the way you want. I'm just going to buy what the law makes us to hunt because not going to spend any more of my hard earned money to help this type of behavior survive demonstrated by other hunters on here.
I would like to say thank you to the Hunting Washington Forum.
After reading your posts on this thread and seeing how they ramble meaninglessly and make zero sense, I've come to one conclusion...
You are smoking way too much weed dude. Put the bong down.
Another lazy response. When you think the world revolves around your butt, of coarse it don't make sense. Sorry you think we are that stupid to believe your drug comment. This is the reason I'm done throwing money at this sport on the stuff I don't need to hunt because being responsible not only means being politically correct but now must show people are on drugs as well.
Post by: h20hunter on February 24, 2014, 10:37:28 AM
"Every day"
"Then whats the problem"
Headshot.....quick easy direct quesiton:
Have you ever killed a big game animal?
Quick edit in case you don't understand the definition I'm using:
kill
1 [kil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay. Synonyms: slaughter, massacre, butcher; hang, electrocute, behead, guillotine, strangle, garrote; assassinate.
2.
to destroy; do away with; extinguish: His response killed our hopes.
3.
to destroy or neutralize the active qualities of: to kill an odor.
Post by: hdshot on February 25, 2014, 10:05:11 AM
hdshot did you tag your deer?/ reason i ask is because it states in the reg's and on the tag itself :
*
•• Immediately and completely remove the tag
notches that indicate the month and day the
animal was killed.
•• Immediately attach your appropriate tag to the
animal you've killed.
*
So if you tagged it you acknowledge that you killed it as per following the instructions, or did you not tag it?
You have brought up a very good question. Does a tag have to be put on the animal if a driver kills a big game animal with their vehicle? If the driver doesn't tag the animal why does the hunter? It sounds like yes the driver would have to tag it because the law doesn't specify. That's where the problem comes with the word killing or kill. Watch out if you kill an animal with you car or tag it.
Your where off the subject, but very good catch in the law.
I would also like to point out page 16 in the 2013 big game reg's on our state definition to hunt. Is that what you like to do when you go hunt?
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 25, 2014, 10:08:37 AM
hdshot did you tag your deer?/ reason i ask is because it states in the reg's and on the tag itself :
*
•• Immediately and completely remove the tag
notches that indicate the month and day the
animal was killed.
•• Immediately attach your appropriate tag to the
animal you've killed.
*
So if you tagged it you acknowledge that you killed it as per following the instructions, or did you not tag it?
You have brought up a very good question. Does a tag have to be put on the animal if a driver kills a big game animal with their vehicle? If the driver doesn't tag the animal why does the hunter? It sounds like yes the driver would have to tag it because the law doesn't specify. That's where the problem comes with the word killing or kill. Watch out if you kill an animal with you car or tag it.
Your where off the subject, but very good catch in the law.
I would also like to point out page 16 in the 2013 big game reg's on our state definition to hunt. Is that what you like to do when you go hunt?
You're crazy.
??? wayyyyyy out on a limb. When is the last time somebody agreed with you on this?
Do yourself a favor and quit hunting. :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2014, 10:09:36 AM
Post by: hdshot on February 25, 2014, 10:11:22 AM
I'm confused. That made very little to no sense to me. :dunno:All useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
In this sport you are the referee and there is no time for your confusion in the field with firearms.
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
Post by: Becky on February 25, 2014, 10:17:26 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 25, 2014, 10:21:32 AM
He can't answer any questions... drugs have harvested his brain cells :yike:
:yeah: :party1: :yeah:
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
Post by: Becky on February 25, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
Now now...it is hard enough to get any straight answers without calling somebody a baked potato.
Now that made me hungry.. pass the butter and bacon bits? :drool:
Post by: JJB11B on March 21, 2014, 07:10:05 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on March 21, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Post by: runamuk on March 21, 2014, 07:45:41 PM
Post by: stringer on March 22, 2014, 11:30:12 PM
Post by: hdshot on March 23, 2014, 12:28:42 PM
hdshot did you tag your deer?/ reason i ask is because it states in the reg's and on the tag itself :
*
•• Immediately and completely remove the tag
notches that indicate the month and day the
animal was killed.
•• Immediately attach your appropriate tag to the
animal you've killed.
*
So if you tagged it you acknowledge that you killed it as per following the instructions, or did you not tag it?
You have brought up a very good question. Does a tag have to be put on the animal if a driver kills a big game animal with their vehicle? If the driver doesn't tag the animal why does the hunter? It sounds like yes the driver would have to tag it because the law doesn't specify. That's where the problem comes with the word killing or kill. Watch out if you kill an animal with you car or tag it.
Your where off the subject, but very good catch in the law.
I would also like to point out page 16 in the 2013 big game reg's on our state definition to hunt. Is that what you like to do when you go hunt?
You're crazy.
??? wayyyyyy out on a limb. When is the last time somebody agreed with you on this?
Do yourself a favor and quit hunting. :twocents:
Not going out on a limb but what do the regs say? What does "ANY" mean to you? What does killed mean to you? Now what does killed and ANY mean to the state?
What does this have to say about agreeing with me? Do yourself a favor and quit the insults and think.
Post by: h20hunter on March 23, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
Post by: hdshot on March 23, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
"Do you take drugs Danny?"
"Every day"
"Then whats the problem"
Headshot.....quick easy direct quesiton:
Have you ever killed a big game animal?
Quick edit in case you don't understand the definition I'm using:
kill
1 [kil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay. Synonyms: slaughter, massacre, butcher; hang, electrocute, behead, guillotine, strangle, garrote; assassinate.
2.
to destroy; do away with; extinguish: His response killed our hopes.
3.
to destroy or neutralize the active qualities of: to kill an odor.
100+! Don't have to report those. All legal just one of those things. Again this is not hunting. Why should all the accidental killings of animals I have seen with my eyes while meat is wasted be viewed the same as hunting? If you want to know any more we will have to go hunt.
Post by: h20hunter on March 23, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
Post by: JJB11B on March 23, 2014, 02:04:57 PM
Post by: JLS on March 23, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
Post by: JJB11B on March 23, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
Post by: JLS on March 23, 2014, 04:13:00 PM
Next up is Clint Black, "Harvesting Time"
Post by: Bean Counter on March 23, 2014, 04:42:30 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 23, 2014, 05:07:40 PM
Post by: hdshot on March 25, 2014, 10:33:40 AM
More nonsense. Figures.
I wish you where right but a real world out there. If you want to know answer my question if you want to go hunt some time because you seem to want to know. My spot as well.
Post by: hdshot on March 25, 2014, 10:46:31 AM
Bumper sticker on the back of a young lady's Jeep in the UP: Hunt Hard Shoot Straight Waste Nothing Make No Excuses
WA state def To Hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.
The bumper sticker you read knows more about us than the state.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 25, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
:party1:
Post by: hdshot on March 26, 2014, 10:44:58 AM
hdshot you've got the munchies right about now do you? :drool: smokin' the good stuff again I see.
:party1:
Another one bites the dust by taking the easy way out with another lame put down. Just showing what's in black and white. But maybe your the type of hunter that just uses little effort to injure a wild animal or bird. State says it's legal, why not? Not me.
Post by: Skillet on March 26, 2014, 11:07:46 AM
Post by: JJB11B on March 27, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
Post by: runamuk on March 28, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
This thread is harvesting brain cells. Its like a tractor beam....Sucks you right inAliens ...Aliens is always the right answer when something goes so sideways it cannot be recovered although there was no recovery on this because its just a what do they call it...oh yes navel gazing in reference to the mostly modern english language and the context of terminology.
the reason killing in hunting is not even reomtely the same as killing with a car is that the one act of killing is meant to fulfill a mans or females desire to eat. The deer that runs in the road and is hit by a car and killed is a casualty of modern life/technology conflicting with nature.
both acts still involve the killing of the deer. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: Buckmark on March 28, 2014, 04:54:32 PM
If so, you acknowldged by that action that you did infact KILL that deer....
The tag clearly uses the word kill to describe an action that just occured and the requirement you have to tag it..
*
You cleary said in your original post "i did not kill anything" ... when in fact you did....
Post by: hdshot on March 29, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
hdshot you never answered my question, did you tag your deer per the law, notch and attach the tag to the deer according to the instructions on said tag?
If so, you acknowldged by that action that you did infact KILL that deer....
The tag clearly uses the word kill to describe an action that just occured and the requirement you have to tag it..
*
You cleary said in your original post "i did not kill anything" ... when in fact you did....
You should know that answer. C'MON man. Told the story I reported it, now why in the hell would I not have tagged it?
I am the one on drugs here?
Post by: JJB11B on March 29, 2014, 01:59:05 PM
you are a great AmericanAll useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
hd, are 100% right. Last year I harvested a deer. I was so excited, only to have my bubble bursted :'( I went online to fill out the report then I came to the word kill. I was so confused and so very stressed I couldn't fill out the report at the time. I tried to go back in and do it on a couple more occasions with the same result. I finally decided it wasn't worth the emotional trauma to complete it. I will never put myself through something like that again, I have sold all my guns and took to photographing wolves.
Post by: furiouzgeorge on March 30, 2014, 06:42:02 AM
Post by: JJB11B on March 30, 2014, 03:02:48 PM
PUT YOUR BOOTS ON BOYS THE ****S GETTIN DEEP IN HERE!!you are a great AmericanAll useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
hd, are 100% right. Last year I harvested a deer. I was so excited, only to have my bubble bursted :'( I went online to fill out the report then I came to the word kill. I was so confused and so very stressed I couldn't fill out the report at the time. I tried to go back in and do it on a couple more occasions with the same result. I finally decided it wasn't worth the emotional trauma to complete it. I will never put myself through something like that again, I have sold all my guns and took to photographing wolves.
Thank you for that! Although I try to refrain from calling myself an American. I prefer the term "citizen of the earth". I find the word American to be very non inclusive. After all mother earth views all of us people, plants, and animal as equals.
Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2014, 03:24:05 PM
Trust me. I know.
One afternoon, I killed an elk and hung it down by the creak to cool until morning.
The next morning I went back, and someone had cut right through the game bag and harvested a back strap from my elk.
True story.
That's how I know the difference between killing and harvesting.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
Thank you for that! Although I try to refrain from calling myself an American. I prefer the term "citizen of the earth". I find the word American to be very non inclusive. After all mother earth views all of us people, plants, and animal as equals.
[/quote]If u filed a tax return than you are a us citizen ,If you live on the earth in america ,US ,than your a citizen.maybe your mom is mother earth or something not sure.If u lived in another country, maybe u might be grateful to be a us citizen.I kinda wonder if u even support our troops who die all the time to keep u safe.
You should know that answer. C'MON man. Told the story I reported it, now why in the hell would I not have tagged it?
I am the one on drugs here?
[/quote]Not saying anything about drugs.But if u dont like the word kill it might be time to find a new hobby.Cause hunting is a part of killing.it can be for mangement of wild animals,food,it can be to spend time with family or friends it can be fun for fun.harvest and kill when it comes to hunting mean the samething.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2014, 03:35:19 PM
There is a difference between HARVEST and KILL.no thats called stealling from you
Trust me. I know.
One afternoon, I killed an elk and hung it down by the creak to cool until morning.
The next morning I went back, and someone had cut right through the game bag and harvested a back strap from my elk.
True story.
That's how I know the difference between killing and harvesting.
Post by: Dan-o on March 30, 2014, 03:43:41 PM
There is a difference between HARVEST and KILL.no thats called stealling from you
Trust me. I know.
One afternoon, I killed an elk and hung it down by the creak to cool until morning.
The next morning I went back, and someone had cut right through the game bag and harvested a back strap from my elk.
True story.
That's how I know the difference between killing and harvesting.
Trust me..... my immediate impulse was to find the culprit and harvest some of his organs.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
Ya at least harvest the hand that took it ,and hang it from the meat pole,the backstraps too the best partThere is a difference between HARVEST and KILL.no thats called stealling from you
Trust me. I know.
One afternoon, I killed an elk and hung it down by the creak to cool until morning.
The next morning I went back, and someone had cut right through the game bag and harvested a back strap from my elk.
True story.
That's how I know the difference between killing and harvesting.
Trust me..... my immediate impulse was to find the culprit and harvest some of his organs.
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2014, 05:33:58 PM
Im always glad to here of a hunter who harvest or killed a deer in season with a tag and if u like it u shound keep doing it ,I can almost bet people on this forum woulnd let it go a bit if u woulnd just admit u killed it.There is not alot of anti-hunters who have to fill out a harvest report.So i think as hunters were safe.Hope u continue to hunt and good luck next season.hdshot you never answered my question, did you tag your deer per the law, notch and attach the tag to the deer according to the instructions on said tag?
If so, you acknowldged by that action that you did infact KILL that deer....
The tag clearly uses the word kill to describe an action that just occured and the requirement you have to tag it..
*
You cleary said in your original post "i did not kill anything" ... when in fact you did....
You should know that answer. C'MON man. Told the story I reported it, now why in the hell would I not have tagged it?
I am the one on drugs here?
Post by: hunter399 on March 30, 2014, 05:42:56 PM
All i can say to this is im proud to be american,and sometimes us americans might have to stand side by side to keep this country, hope your on our side ,theres alot of people on this earth that wish they coulnd say there american.you are a great AmericanAll useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
hd, are 100% right. Last year I harvested a deer. I was so excited, only to have my bubble bursted :'( I went online to fill out the report then I came to the word kill. I was so confused and so very stressed I couldn't fill out the report at the time. I tried to go back in and do it on a couple more occasions with the same result. I finally decided it wasn't worth the emotional trauma to complete it. I will never put myself through something like that again, I have sold all my guns and took to photographing wolves.
Thank you for that! Although I try to refrain from calling myself an American. I prefer the term "citizen of the earth". I find the word American to be very non inclusive. After all mother earth views all of us people, plants, and animal as equals.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 30, 2014, 05:54:25 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 30, 2014, 05:55:36 PM
Did you guys watch the Seahawks harvest the Broncos in the SuperBowl?:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: hdshot on March 31, 2014, 11:15:35 AM
All useless discussion. Start a new thread. Please tell me how, in a clear manner, how the bullet fired from a rifle does not kill an animal.
Hunter reports are to tell the basic story on what is alive and to help hunter success in scouting. As you can see there is a complete break down because no one understands what the reports are about. Reports are not about you and your bullet. I believe word kill is causing a lot of confusion and gives the wrong idea because the anti's love that word. If people don't want to get off their chair and be better than anti's, then just say you don't want to educate yourself and call it useless is your choice.
hd, are 100% right. Last year I harvested a deer. I was so excited, only to have my bubble bursted :'( I went online to fill out the report then I came to the word kill. I was so confused and so very stressed I couldn't fill out the report at the time. I tried to go back in and do it on a couple more occasions with the same result. I finally decided it wasn't worth the emotional trauma to complete it. I will never put myself through something like that again, I have sold all my guns and took to photographing wolves.
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No confusion here, now working on turkey again. Never got one in the spring before so not very optimistic but not going to be using the camera for the first shot if plan comes togethor.
Post by: hdshot on March 31, 2014, 12:11:30 PM
Im always glad to here of a hunter who harvest or killed a deer in season with a tag and if u like it u shound keep doing it ,I can almost bet people on this forum woulnd let it go a bit if u woulnd just admit u killed it.There is not alot of anti-hunters who have to fill out a harvest report.So i think as hunters were safe.Hope u continue to hunt and good luck next season.hdshot you never answered my question, did you tag your deer per the law, notch and attach the tag to the deer according to the instructions on said tag?
If so, you acknowldged by that action that you did infact KILL that deer....
The tag clearly uses the word kill to describe an action that just occured and the requirement you have to tag it..
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You cleary said in your original post "i did not kill anything" ... when in fact you did....
You should know that answer. C'MON man. Told the story I reported it, now why in the hell would I not have tagged it?
I am the one on drugs here?
Don't have to admit because we know what happens. But there is responsibility, reasons, and purpose causing lots of others to say that is soft which is a problem because that is the roots why we are allowed to hunt. I don't believe I am alone here but others might be afraid to jump in only to be mocked. I don't care being mocked because these same people who think others are on their side will stab them in the back and throw them under the bus in the blink of an eye when something else comes up. Most likely are the rats behind closed doors as well. Anyways back to work because it takes a lot of effort, not just any effort, for this sport to continue from making sure we can shoot strait at the range, funds, time, and habitat.
Post by: hdshot on April 30, 2014, 11:04:19 AM
Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm Weird Al Music Video - Survivor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSNK9TjJ9bo#)
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 01, 2014, 03:36:40 AM
Post by: hdshot on May 01, 2014, 09:21:28 AM
I kill deer. I would harvest them, but they usually can't walk away with the hope of growing all that tasty muscle back by the time i'm done. :drool:
Started eating the middle bird last night and my gawd is it good. Good thing legal hunting can't kill off the flock because more for years to come because as you said, tasty.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 02, 2014, 12:13:19 AM
I know. :bdid:
Post by: Mumbles on May 26, 2014, 06:59:07 PM