Post by: mtncook on November 02, 2013, 09:10:30 PM
mtncook
Post by: Timberstalker on November 02, 2013, 09:20:19 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 02, 2013, 09:47:52 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 02, 2013, 10:16:47 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on November 05, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 05, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
Post by: JM on November 05, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Post by: mtncook on November 06, 2013, 07:52:50 AM
mtncook
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 06, 2013, 10:29:13 AM
I was told about the story in HP. I'm the packer mentioned. The "GUIDE" has been rogue operating in my unit for sometime. I did not know at e time or certainly would not have helped out. That is another story.If he has pics and is guiding in your area can't you turn him in?
mtncook
Post by: mtncook on November 06, 2013, 11:31:14 AM
mtncook
Post by: C-Money on November 06, 2013, 11:35:55 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 06, 2013, 11:42:20 AM
Post by: Slimdog350 on November 06, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
Anybody can take a friend or acquaintance hunting in any area if they don't charge? You are just a packer not guide right?As long as you are not getting compensated it's not a big deal. I'm sure mtncook is the full deal. If you have the outfitting rights to a unit no one else is allowed to outfit that unit. I guided for an outfitter in Idaho this year and he had some dude do the same thing but he got caught. The guy got in BIG trouble and the hunters got packed out, unfortunately for them, they didn't know the guy was a fake.
Post by: mtncook on November 06, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
mtncook Is the owner of Western Life Outfitters and is permitted by the USFS to Outfit in portions of the Wenaha-Tucannon Wilderness a full service licensed Outfitter-Guide.
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mtncook
Post by: jackelope on November 06, 2013, 12:42:05 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,130029.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,130029.0.html)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 06, 2013, 12:52:50 PM
This guy, mtncook?
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,130029.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,130029.0.html)
this thread went dead in August. :dunno: he is still advertising on here. anybody use him as a guide?
Post by: mtncook on November 06, 2013, 01:01:47 PM
mtncook
Post by: jackelope on November 06, 2013, 01:04:18 PM
bigassbull or Beau Olsen is not the guy we are talking about here. Beau is working the adjoining unit to mine and had some hunters this season. This business is hard to get started in so don't confuse the Permitted ones with the rogues.
mtncook
Thanks for clarifying.
Post by: JM on November 06, 2013, 01:43:08 PM
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He knows how to coach the hunters in what to say. I can't understand how he can drive here from Yakima almost every weekend, and not be compensated for his service. He has a real interest in the area. Turning him in is one thing catching him another. I met him on the trail walking with a bear hunter from Utah. The hunter is an outdoor writer. I told them to include in the article that this guy was a rogue guide working in my unit. The facial expression changed on the hunters face.
mtncook
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Post by: 2MANY on November 06, 2013, 03:35:45 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 06, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
Maybe he should start applying somewhere else. Just my :twocents:
What magazine does this writer look for so I can read what this article says?
I know a couple outfitters that this happens to every year. With these rouge guides. This is why I feel the state/usfs should make all guides be licensed and controlled . If you are caught advertising/ guiding in a area you don't have a license for then you are fined heavily
Post by: jackelope on November 06, 2013, 04:18:50 PM
How many people did he (not) guide in there this year?
Post by: heavy hauler on November 06, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
Post by: kramer on November 06, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on November 06, 2013, 05:12:12 PM
Post by: rtspring on November 06, 2013, 05:31:28 PM
I don't have a horse in this either but it does seem weird to me that this "rogue" guide is soliciting multiple people at trailheads, taking out magazine writers, and packing meat for people all for no charge and all for nothing more than the love of the game. God bless him if he really is, but it seems off to me.
How many people did he (not) guide in there this year?
It does happen. I caught a boat load of crap from Norsepeak on here a couple seasons back. Some of us just want to help others and be in the woods... I say good on the guy if he is not breaking the law..
Post by: jackelope on November 06, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
I don't have a horse in this either but it does seem weird to me that this "rogue" guide is soliciting multiple people at trailheads, taking out magazine writers, and packing meat for people all for no charge and all for nothing more than the love of the game. God bless him if he really is, but it seems off to me.
How many people did he (not) guide in there this year?
It does happen. I caught a boat load of crap from Norsepeak on here a couple seasons back. Some of us just want to help others and be in the woods... I say good on the guy if he is not breaking the law..
Kurt-
What you do up there and what this guy is rumored to be doing in the Blues is apples and oranges.
Post by: rtspring on November 06, 2013, 05:50:17 PM
I don't have a horse in this either but it does seem weird to me that this "rogue" guide is soliciting multiple people at trailheads, taking out magazine writers, and packing meat for people all for no charge and all for nothing more than the love of the game. God bless him if he really is, but it seems off to me.
How many people did he (not) guide in there this year?
It does happen. I caught a boat load of crap from Norsepeak on here a couple seasons back. Some of us just want to help others and be in the woods... I say good on the guy if he is not breaking the law..
Kurt-
What you do up there and what this guy is rumored to be doing in the Blues is apples and oranges.
Know nothing about his actions other than this thread. Mtncook seems to think he is doing more than HELPING. I will take his word on that. If so thats a very very bad deal and I would be pissed!
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
Post by: goosehunter12 on November 06, 2013, 07:01:33 PM
There land? It's PUBLIC LAND, they might have the permit to guide, but have no right treating everyday people that are in there like they are trespassing! (Speaking from experience over the years)
Post by: idahohuntr on November 06, 2013, 07:13:56 PM
There land? It's PUBLIC LAND, they might have the permit to guide, but have no right treating everyday people that are in there like they are trespassing! (Speaking from experience over the years)I don't think there is any indication that mtncook treats anybody like they are trespassing...usually the opposite. I know my father in law and his buddy (with a Wenaha East bull tag) packed in with 6 of their mules this year and ran into mtncook...nothing but good things to say about him. I believe he or his wife even took some pictures/video for them as they rode out with their bull.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 06, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
Brought out the last Quality Tag holder client today. He spent the whole season in camp by himself. Said he had no friends to spend 14 days with. As the result he came out empty not because of no friends but partly trying such a job by himself.
mtncook
I'd have become his friend in a heartbeat! How could anyone pay, stay in camp with a quality permit burning a hole in a pocket and not at least go out and try? I'm guessing this was a drop camp? Not a guided hunt? 'Solo' hunting for a bull wouldn't be easy, especially when it was time to recover a downed animal. -So.. I don't know the full story, if they guy's 80 or what... but why apply for a tag like that and not be able to hunt?
-Steve
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 06, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
Post by: Easy-E on November 06, 2013, 08:05:59 PM
I don't take money, but I sure don't turn down a cold brew or three after the packing a done. That's not considered payment, is it?!?
Cheers!
Post by: jackelope on November 06, 2013, 08:13:25 PM
What is so funny people jumping on one side without knowing any of the story. I've hunted with this so called "ROGUE" guide for a dozen years or so. The big Blues bull from last year the guy shot with a drop time during archery season last year that he " guided" was one of his best friends from school. And the muzzy bull most people don't know about last year was another buddies son. I guess he is also “guiding" in the yakima area too, they shot a 330 plus bull in archery season. He does this because he gets six weeks vacation a year and uses every bit of it in the woods, and does it because he loves it if he had the tag or somebody else.but he has a guiding business with a name and calls himself a guide. If hes not "guiding" then why does he have a guiding business?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 06, 2013, 08:19:49 PM
http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/36.html (http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/36.html)
Post by: JM on November 06, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
Since we're on the subject though I'd like to add that if taking someone hunting is illegal than most of us on here are criminals. I took a friend on the high buck hunt and he bought me a beer when we got out so fine me. If my life allowed me to I'd spend every day I could in the backcountry taking people hunting.
I have no problem with licensed outfitters being the only ones who can accept money for their services. I couldn't imagine what it would be like in the woods if it were a free for all! It is OUR land and OUR game though isn't it? I just read a thread on here about Hatton rd in Cowiche and how the landowners have to let us in because it's public land behind the gate and they have no right blocking it off. This kind of seems like the same thing here, outfitters don't own the animals and they can stick it where the sun doesn't shine if they try and tell me I can't take people huntng! If a person isn't receiving any money for their service then relax and don't take personal jabs at people because you assume they are breaking the law. I don't want to put words in someones mouth but I'm pretty sure that if anyone on here drew a bull or buck tag for the blues and wanted to harvest a trophy animal free of charge he would be glad to take them, because that's what he is about.
I guess I can see where your frustration is coming from mtncook, because I would feel threatened as well if he were hunting in my area due to the fact that he knows that area and the animals there better than most of know our homes.(just look at his pictures)
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 06, 2013, 08:22:08 PM
http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html (http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html)
And the truth shall set you free
Post by: JM on November 06, 2013, 08:40:51 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 06, 2013, 09:05:12 PM
Post by: JM on November 06, 2013, 09:21:57 PM
But he will never get a guiding permit for that area I will guarantee.
Do you personally hand out licenses for areas?? You must because you are very adiment about this. Like I said earlier he's not breaking the law and is a great guy that will do anything for anyone at the drop of a hat
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 06, 2013, 09:48:22 PM
I have no problem with people helping friends but I would not call my friends CLIENTS.You aren't preaching without a license are you? Bottom line, he isn't charging so he elk never be caught since he isn't doing anything wrong.
http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html (http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html)
And the truth shall set you free
Mtncook, back to the original thread. Sounds like a good season, can't wait to see the pics.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 07, 2013, 05:25:07 AM
Not really sure Where you are trying to go with that ...I have no problem with people helping friends but I would not call my friends CLIENTS.You aren't preaching without a license are you? Bottom line, he isn't charging so he elk never be caught since he isn't doing anything wrong.
http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html (http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html)
And the truth shall set you free
Mtncook, back to the original thread. Sounds like a good season, can't wait to see the pics.
If he has not taken a dime good for him. He is above reproach then. I
Have heard he is s animal and a fantastic hunter. That's great. I just hope when his future clients see his past success they don't get to mad when he can't take them to the blues. . Wish him well
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 07, 2013, 07:11:43 AM
But he will never get a guiding permit for that area I will guarantee.
Do you personally hand out licenses for areas?? You must because you are very adiment about this. Like I said earlier he's not breaking the law and is a great guy that will do anything for anyone at the drop of a hat
No I do not. But the forest service has rules. There is already a licensed /permitted outfitter in that area So there is no way your buddy will get one for there. Sorry that is just how the rules are
Post by: jackmaster on November 07, 2013, 07:50:34 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 07, 2013, 08:25:37 AM
I'm tired of the Blues being mislabeled as the states "Big Bull" area.
The reality is that since Pat Fowler is no longer managing the Blues elk herd the area is on the decline.
There are very few elk in Washington's Blues and the bulls that are here are leaving the Northern Blues and heading to Oregon.
Oregon has a better football team, there is no tax, other people pump your gas, the cows are willing, and the new WDFW management team can't up the tag numbers in Oregon.
BOOK IT.....................The migration has begun.
Post by: LizardHippie on November 07, 2013, 01:13:38 PM
Have you hunted in Washington over the past 15 years? If you have then you realize how tough it is to get a tag. Most of us have to live vicariously through a lucky hunter that beat the odds and drew a tag. The questioned guide/friend at hand is just that, and gets the same adrenalin as the lucky sucker that drew. He pushes past the extreme of all but a very select few, but treats you and everyone else with the utmost respect. He is a friend to everyone in those woods and helps anyone that asks. Why do you think that he has received the recognition? Why do you think some writers are showing so much interest in him or the Blues? Have you really ever heard anyone outside say that Washington is a great state to hunt?
It is people like him that will keep your business going. Dude get back on the boat. The new guys are driving and you are going to get left.
Have you ever wondered why this rogueboy doesn't respond to your stabs and cuts? Why do you want to lose his admiration for you and your business? He obviously has respect for you. What he is doing is perfectly legal. Would you rather have some that are in your area that love the ground, honor the game, and appreciates nature or just someone using the resources? He is considerate of you and everyone else there.
Back to the original topic, note that on the beginning of that hunt for the drop tine bull, the man in question was climbing Rainier Mountain and was asked to help if that hunter if he hadn't been successful. Are paid guides going to miss the opening of a hunt?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on November 07, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
WAS THAT A HIGH MOUNTAIN MULIE BUCK FROM THE BLUES?????!!!!!!!
Post by: JJB11B on November 07, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Post by: skeeter 20i on November 07, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 07, 2013, 03:42:21 PM
I am by no means bashing this Luke person as I have only met him once and it seems as if he is a die hard and he was freindly. I have met others like him. I am just having a hard time grasping what is going to be gained by the increased publicity and downed animals that they could have just kept to themselves for years to come. I understand helping a friend but I dont understand helping strangers and general public for free. Maybe I am selfish I dont know.
Maybe Luke could and should get on here and defend himself. It would be nice to understand why someone is willing to devote 60-90 days a year for a stranger for nothing in return. Why is someone so willing to tell about such a great place that could jeopardize his own peronal experinces in the future. I would understand if that person is trying to make a living, thats differnent. I just cant wrap my head around it.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 07, 2013, 03:49:47 PM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 07, 2013, 04:22:49 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 07, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 07, 2013, 05:22:16 PM
Hi this is Luke Carrick. You can't always believe everything you here or read? I'm lucky to have a great job where I can take alot of time off! Hunting and helping others harvest there trophy animal is my passion and it is what I love to do! You only live once and you have to make the best of it. I know it's hard to believe that I do this for free but it is totally true I ask for nothing. We all know how hard it is to draw tags in Washington? I want to be able to hunt and help other hunters harvest there trophys as much as possible while I'm still able too. Some hunters get huge rush from harvesting your trophy animal. I get a rush from assisting other hunters in harvesting there trophy and there is nothing better then being able to see that huge smile and getting that big hug or high five! The backcountry is my second home! On average I spend around 50-60+ days in the backcountry every year and backpack around 500 miles per year. I work very hard at what I do and just want to spend as much time as possible in the backcountry!
Welcome to site.
So do you only help draw tag holders, or anybody who contacts you, how do you pick who you help?
Post by: nw_bowhunter on November 07, 2013, 06:11:15 PM
What about the photos on MonsterMulies and indicating you as a guide?
I love hunting and if I had that type of time I would be hunting, camping and in the woods way more than I am currently. (job, family and money seem to get in the way)
I feel it is honorable of you to help your friends out and I hope you are being upfront about the facts. To be honest I'm skeptical and maybe because of the pictures listed on MonsterMulies and the verbiage "guide" associated to the success. I don't feel you should portray yourself as a guide in areas where you can't legally guide and I feel you should have to complete all the requirements necessary to operate as a legal guide and business. Otherwise don't portray yourself as a guide as it simply opens up the door for this exact discussion and takes your credibility way . Also, doesn’t seem to be a problem for people wanting to hunt with you so using the excuse that this is being done to build a reputation is simply an excuse. If your intent is to be a guide just take the necessary steps.
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2013, 06:22:48 PM
Post by: 400out on November 07, 2013, 06:28:39 PM
Maybe I am selfish I dont know.
Man you hit the nail on the head there! :chuckle: still waiting for a invite! :rolleyes: (besides carry my trail camera in july) :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 07, 2013, 06:33:30 PM
Post by: buglebuster on November 07, 2013, 06:36:18 PM
Post by: toyman2 on November 07, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
Some of you sound as if the Blues is your personal honey hole, get over it there are 1000s hunting over here. What happen to all of us on here helping each other out, hunter type code of being the good kind of guy. These tags are OIL tags basically, some of you act as if it is your bull they are going to kill.
Yea, If I could afford it I would hire Dave, I've heard good stuff about him. But I cant, so are you guys going to jump the boys that are going to help me when I get a tag, good lord, get over yourselfs.
Post by: JM on November 07, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2013, 09:34:20 PM
The gripe expressed was that this guy was allegedly guiding for money under the table as a non-licensed guide in an area where that is not legal. Not that some dude was helping his buddies kill a bull. Again... Apples and oranges.
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2013, 09:35:02 PM
This site just got a little better now that Luke joined
Hopefully Luke will share some of his adventures with us.
Post by: Goose Pit on November 07, 2013, 09:53:22 PM
Luke and I have been buddies for quite some time and when my boy drew his Wenaha muzzy tag, Luke was my first phone call. For Luke, it is all about doing what he can to help a buddy, friend or someone who drew a OIL type tag and cannot afford an outfitter. He's not stealing anyone's business, he's just doing everything he possibly can to spend as much time in the woods as possible. And there is nothing wrong with that in my mind.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi318.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm440%2Fjberry870%2FHunting%25202012%2F019_zpsac8ab6fc.jpg&hash=33ce182f724af20c784481ce1e7b681cfd57e6ec) (http://s318.photobucket.com/user/jberry870/media/Hunting%202012/019_zpsac8ab6fc.jpg.html)
Post by: 724wd on November 07, 2013, 10:37:20 PM
Post by: jackmaster on November 08, 2013, 06:49:48 AM
Post by: KA on November 08, 2013, 07:37:04 AM
In relation to the magazine writer from Utah; I helped scout for the bear that he took this fall. Luke and I both drew spring bear tags and both took amazing spring bears. On my hunt we hiked 32 miles in 3 days and packed every bit of that animal and all of our gear out on our backs. Luke met the magazine writer at a long distance shooting course and in conversation showed him the recent pictures. The writer has hunted all over the world and had never hunted for a black bear in the back country – You guessed it; Luke offered to help him for FREE and he was so impressed he took him up on the offer; the magazine paid for all of his expenses, none of which included any payment or reimbursement to Luke. I couldn’t stay for the hunt after scouting so I went home the day before he arrived. I called him after he returned home to congratulate him on his success and ask him what he thought about how capable Luke is in the backcountry – he had rave reviews and hopes to help Luke get some national exposure – he agreed that Luke deserves a break and that he should be a professional hunter. We talked about the confrontation with Dave at the trailhead when they hiked out. Dave mentions that you should have seen the look on the writers face – I agree I would like to have seen that look; I can tell you it was total anger at how Dave talked to Luke – He personally told me that he was proud of Luke for taking the high road and not getting in to a confrontation. The writer was so angry that he may put it in print and he said that it if continues to escalate he will contact the WA State Game Department to report the harassment as that is illegal in this State.
In regards to the Game Department reading and monitoring the information on this site; there is no fear in that. Please understand that a few seasons ago Luke helped a WA State Game Dept officer harvest a nice mule deer in that unit and he helped him pack it out on his back and he did it for FREE.
I know that this seems odd to other people that he is willing to help without charging anyone – Please understand that he is helping friends and he does love doing it. I have been on several guided hunts over the years with some great outfitters and in comparison Luke’s ability in the backcountry is the very best. Please also understand that he has asked Dave several times for work and would have liked nothing more than to be friends and an asset to him. Only Dave knows why he has refused?
Luke praised Dave for helping to pack out the drop tine bull and at some point I would expect that I will draw a good tag in that unit – we talked about it and I would have gladly paid Dave to set up a drop camp and pack for me. Unless he apologizes to Luke and sets the record straight I wouldn’t consider using his services or recommending him. That is a shame since he has had a good reputation overall – His misunderstanding of what Luke is doing is making him look petty and foolish. It’s time for Dave to step back, take a deep breath and know that Luke isn’t hurting his business at all.
Post by: 2MANY on November 08, 2013, 08:28:21 AM
Personally I would like to see more of the state's hunting units managed for quality animals.
This state has very few quality options and I can understand any man's addiction to enjoying the best of the best.
It's what has made the Playboy empire an empire.
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2013, 08:30:33 AM
I'm open to the idea of him doing nothing more than helping friends for free and am cool with that, but I am confused as to why he refers to them as clients. I've got a friend who's going to help me on my late hunt down there this weekend. I'm totally cool with that...but the client reference has got me shaking my head.
That's pretty much all I've got.
Post by: JLS on November 08, 2013, 08:37:22 AM
This is unreal. Grow up folks.
Post by: JLS on November 08, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
Why does Luke call his friends "clients" and why does he have a business name??
I'm open to the idea of him doing nothing more than helping friends for free and am cool with that, but I am confused as to why he refers to them as clients. I've got a friend who's going to help me on my late hunt down there this weekend. I'm totally cool with that...but the client reference has got me shaking my head.
That's pretty much all I've got.
Why aren't you out killing a whitetail? >:(
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2013, 08:39:50 AM
Why does Luke call his friends "clients" and why does he have a business name??
I'm open to the idea of him doing nothing more than helping friends for free and am cool with that, but I am confused as to why he refers to them as clients. I've got a friend who's going to help me on my late hunt down there this weekend. I'm totally cool with that...but the client reference has got me shaking my head.
That's pretty much all I've got.
Why aren't you out killing a whitetail? >:(
24 hours...24 hours.
:chuckle:
Post by: 2MANY on November 08, 2013, 08:43:59 AM
Luke seems internet honorable at this point.
Grow up??
Sounds boring to me.
Post by: gaddy on November 08, 2013, 09:11:56 AM
Post by: ipkus on November 08, 2013, 10:02:24 AM
As for the rest of the internet moral authority here...wow. It is absolutely amazing in forums like this how many people with little to zero first hand knowledge or facts on a given situation will speak with absolute certainty about what should be done/has been done/wasn't done/etc. I've known Luke casually for quite a while, we've hunted together a couple times, and the suggestions of impropriety here don't mesh one iota with the reality I know.
What is really distressing about this whole deal is that someone with a solid reputation as an honest, hard working outfitter is the one who spun this whole deal up based on...what?
He knows how to coach the hunters in what to say. I can't understand how he can drive here from Yakima almost every weekend, and not be compensated for his service. He has a real interest in the area. Turning him in is one thing catching him another. I met him on the trail walking with a bear hunter from Utah. The hunter is an outdoor writer. I told them to include in the article that this guy was a rogue guide working in my unit. The facial expression changed on the hunters face.If you know a hunter that has told you Luke has 'coached' them in what to say, that's more than enough evidence to go to a game warden. If you don't know someone and are just guessing because of your suspicions...wow. Not cool.
mtncook
You can't understand how he can drive there from Yakima almost every weekend without being compensated? So what? Lots of people tell me they don't understand how I spend as much time/money/energy hunting and fishing as much as I do every year. Do you have to 'get it' for it to be ok?
Again, if you don't have any proof of your accusations it would be very smart from a business perspective to quite speculating in an internet forum about things you don't really know. It doesn't exactly demonstrate a professional attitude or approach to running your business. You've built a positive reputation, but things like this will not help it.
I can't speak factually to why Luke lists a business name and shows clients in some pictures he's shared on a website(s), but might assume he's doing to get his name out there if at point down the road if he does decide to do it. I doubt it's illegal, and he certainly doesn't run around talking like that!
This whole thing is just another example of the usual internet lynch mob mentality that drives or keeps a lot of people away from internet chat rooms!
With that said, where are some pictures of this years Blues bulls???
Post by: muleskinner509 on November 08, 2013, 11:06:10 AM
country doing what you love. I have helped friends on some great hunts. Heading up north next weekend to take a friend of mine(who does not hunt) 16yr old son on his first hunt, I cant wait.
Post by: 2MANY on November 08, 2013, 11:58:41 AM
No crime in calling himself a guide and his friends clients.
Dr. Martin Luther King wasn't a doctor either.
Post by: 724wd on November 08, 2013, 12:03:31 PM
"I know it's hard to believe that I do this for free but it is totally true I ask for nothing."
a person might not ask for anything, but many would accept a 'donation' if it were offered. Not saying Luke does this, but the language used is a bit ambiguous.
Luke, I admire your hard work getting these people big animals, and i hope all is above board and perfectly legal. Surely you can see a little of the issues that mtncook has regarding you operating in his area. guiding is his livelihood, and someone calling themselves a guide online, taking 'clients' (even ones that are just friends [or magazine writers]) can be seen as cutting into his business. you have some loyal friends, and that's admirable, and hopefully you and mtncook can come to some sort of equilibrium and understanding of what the other is doing.
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 08, 2013, 01:41:49 PM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 08, 2013, 01:47:18 PM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 08, 2013, 01:49:34 PM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 08, 2013, 01:51:13 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 08, 2013, 01:53:18 PM
Post by: 2MANY on November 08, 2013, 01:56:52 PM
Fun stuff.
Post by: KA on November 08, 2013, 02:05:41 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 08, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
Post by: gaddy on November 08, 2013, 02:11:57 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 08, 2013, 04:03:14 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2013, 04:08:41 PM
Spring bear!
This bear has been on here before.
Some great animals. Thanks for sharing.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on November 08, 2013, 04:38:05 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 08, 2013, 05:58:44 PM
Everyone here went to school right? in school we are taught to spell words and that words have meaning.. Right?
These words have meaning so everyone reading them knows what you are talking about.. Every person who has read the MM page now assumes that all these people are CLIENTS... which then in turn means you are in Business..
You clearly thought about this before you had this posted.. You did not say " these are my FRIENDS" who I helped harvest animals and if you would like a free guide in a great place feel free to give me a call... You clearly said Client and MY HUNTERS...
So therefore you are false advertising..
There are other issues I could hit on but it is not worth diving into. And I do not know your dealings with Dave but If you really are above reproach and want to have a good reputation you would go to MM and have them post your apology where you clearly state that you are sorry in leading people astray by letting them think you were a guide that had a business and these pictures are of my friends..
And to not mislead people you should not advertise until you have your own private land to guide on or your own permitted guide/outfitter area.
Post by: ipkus on November 08, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
BTW- Nobody called me, and I haven't talked to Luke in months. I saw a good guy getting torn down by a bunch of self-appointed bulletin board Supreme Court justices and spoke up with what I know. I won't bother posting again, I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your ruling.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on November 08, 2013, 06:27:37 PM
Post by: HHPro on November 08, 2013, 06:28:50 PM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 08, 2013, 06:55:54 PM
I offer to go out for free with as many people as I can to help. So I can understand where your coming from.
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Post by: Thenewguy on November 08, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
I see the calvary was called in to save the name of the rouge guide.. I have no doubt that Luke has helped tons of friends fill their tags for free and a few others but reguarless of how many of you defend him and what luke says there are still some things that need to be answered for..
Everyone here went to school right? in school we are taught to spell words and that words have meaning.. Right?
These words have meaning so everyone reading them knows what you are talking about.. Every person who has read the MM page now assumes that all these people are CLIENTS... which then in turn means you are in Business..
You clearly thought about this before you had this posted.. You did not say " these are my FRIENDS" who I helped harvest animals and if you would like a free guide in a great place feel free to give me a call... You clearly said Client and MY HUNTERS...
So therefore you are false advertising..
There are other issues I could hit on but it is not worth diving into. And I do not know your dealings with Dave but If you really are above reproach and want to have a good reputation you would go to MM and have them post your apology where you clearly state that you are sorry in leading people astray by letting them think you were a guide that had a business and these pictures are of my friends..
And to not mislead people you should not advertise until you have your own private land to guide on or your own permitted guide/outfitter area.
who is he to answer to you? Get off your high horse. Maybe some of us should spend more time in the woods and less on the keyboard....
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 08, 2013, 08:13:17 PM
I see the calvary was called in to save the name of the rouge guide.. I have no doubt that Luke has helped tons of friends fill their tags for free and a few others but reguarless of how many of you defend him and what luke says there are still some things that need to be answered for..
Everyone here went to school right? in school we are taught to spell words and that words have meaning.. Right?
These words have meaning so everyone reading them knows what you are talking about.. Every person who has read the MM page now assumes that all these people are CLIENTS... which then in turn means you are in Business..
You clearly thought about this before you had this posted.. You did not say " these are my FRIENDS" who I helped harvest animals and if you would like a free guide in a great place feel free to give me a call... You clearly said Client and MY HUNTERS...
So therefore you are false advertising..
There are other issues I could hit on but it is not worth diving into. And I do not know your dealings with Dave but If you really are above reproach and want to have a good reputation you would go to MM and have them post your apology where you clearly state that you are sorry in leading people astray by letting them think you were a guide that had a business and these pictures are of my friends..
And to not mislead people you should not advertise until you have your own private land to guide on or your own permitted guide/outfitter area.
who is he to answer to you? Get off your high horse. Maybe some of us should spend more time in the woods and less on the keyboard....
:tup: :yeah:
This is why I left Primos cabin chat I was a mod there for years just got tried of all the drama.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 08, 2013, 08:20:57 PM
I see the calvary was called in to save the name of the rouge guide.. I have no doubt that Luke has helped tons of friends fill their tags for free and a few others but reguarless of how many of you defend him and what luke says there are still some things that need to be answered for..
Everyone here went to school right? in school we are taught to spell words and that words have meaning.. Right?
These words have meaning so everyone reading them knows what you are talking about.. Every person who has read the MM page now assumes that all these people are CLIENTS... which then in turn means you are in Business..
You clearly thought about this before you had this posted.. You did not say " these are my FRIENDS" who I helped harvest animals and if you would like a free guide in a great place feel free to give me a call... You clearly said Client and MY HUNTERS...
So therefore you are false advertising..
There are other issues I could hit on but it is not worth diving into. And I do not know your dealings with Dave but If you really are above reproach and want to have a good reputation you would go to MM and have them post your apology where you clearly state that you are sorry in leading people astray by letting them think you were a guide that had a business and these pictures are of my friends..
And to not mislead people you should not advertise until you have your own private land to guide on or your own permitted guide/outfitter area.
who is he to answer to you? Get off your high horse. Maybe some of us should spend more time in the woods and less on the keyboard....
I am nobody really. .. I just call it as I see it. I find it funny that no-one else holds him accountable for his actions.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 08, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
Post by: JM on November 08, 2013, 09:39:47 PM
I see the calvary was called in to save the name of the rouge guide.. I have no doubt that Luke has helped tons of friends fill their tags for free and a few others but reguarless of how many of you defend him and what luke says there are still some things that need to be answered for..
Everyone here went to school right? in school we are taught to spell words and that words have meaning.. Right?
These words have meaning so everyone reading them knows what you are talking about.. Every person who has read the MM page now assumes that all these people are CLIENTS... which then in turn means you are in Business..
You clearly thought about this before you had this posted.. You did not say " these are my FRIENDS" who I helped harvest animals and if you would like a free guide in a great place feel free to give me a call... You clearly said Client and MY HUNTERS...
So therefore you are false advertising..
There are other issues I could hit on but it is not worth diving into. And I do not know your dealings with Dave but If you really are above reproach and want to have a good reputation you would go to MM and have them post your apology where you clearly state that you are sorry in leading people astray by letting them think you were a guide that had a business and these pictures are of my friends..
And to not mislead people you should not advertise until you have your own private land to guide on or your own permitted guide/outfitter area.
who is he to answer to you? Get off your high horse. Maybe some of us should spend more time in the woods and less on the keyboard....
I am nobody really. .. I just call it as I see it. I find it funny that no-one else holds him accountable for his actions.
You're still spun up about this??
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 08, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
Sure is! Mafia doesn't like anybody on their turf.I see the calvary was called in to save the name of the rouge guide.. I have no doubt that Luke has helped tons of friends fill their tags for free and a few others but reguarless of how many of you defend him and what luke says there are still some things that need to be answered for..
Everyone here went to school right? in school we are taught to spell words and that words have meaning.. Right?
These words have meaning so everyone reading them knows what you are talking about.. Every person who has read the MM page now assumes that all these people are CLIENTS... which then in turn means you are in Business..
You clearly thought about this before you had this posted.. You did not say " these are my FRIENDS" who I helped harvest animals and if you would like a free guide in a great place feel free to give me a call... You clearly said Client and MY HUNTERS...
So therefore you are false advertising..
There are other issues I could hit on but it is not worth diving into. And I do not know your dealings with Dave but If you really are above reproach and want to have a good reputation you would go to MM and have them post your apology where you clearly state that you are sorry in leading people astray by letting them think you were a guide that had a business and these pictures are of my friends..
And to not mislead people you should not advertise until you have your own private land to guide on or your own permitted guide/outfitter area.
who is he to answer to you? Get off your high horse. Maybe some of us should spend more time in the woods and less on the keyboard....
I am nobody really. .. I just call it as I see it. I find it funny that no-one else holds him accountable for his actions.
You're still spun up about this??
Post by: boohoward on November 08, 2013, 11:30:22 PM
Post by: huntnnw on November 09, 2013, 05:04:51 AM
Isn't that the truth .. They think they own the land cause they are outfitters. Witnessed this over the years in many areas.
Post by: BDT on November 10, 2013, 09:04:29 AM
I was told about the story in HP. I'm the packer mentioned. The "GUIDE" has been rogue operating in my unit for sometime. I did not know at e time or certainly would not have helped out. That is another story.I am here to shed some truth about what is being said about my friend Luke. My name is Bryan and I am the one who shot the Drop Tine bull last season in the Blues. First off, Luke and I have been great friends since sixth grade and have hunted together for over 20+ years. Anyone that has said that he was my guide is crazy. We have scouted ,hiked, and hunted this area for years. People calling him a "Rogue Guide" really upsets me and our group of friends that hunt together. I personally know every person that has hunted and harvested an animal out of this unit that people are saying he guided for money. He did not, we are all great friends with a passion for the backcountry and a passion for hunting. We are dedicated and put our time in for these hunts. Many of us have built up our points to draw a quality tag for bull elk , just like I did. So we will continue to be scouting and hunting this area for the years to come. Whether we are the tag holder, or just a friend to help with the hunt, we all live for the rush we get when someone harvests an animal. That is what separates us from you mtncook. Where you said you would not of packed out my elk for me because of your suspicions is sad. Friend or foe, any of my friends would help any hunter that needed a hand in recovering their animal regardless. For FREE… I am an honest man and when I tell you something I do it. Mtncook packed out my bull to the trailhead and I did not have enough money to pay him in my wallet. I ended up following him to his home town to go to the bank and pay him the remaining amount. I easily could have turned and headed home without paying. But I didn't. Best 500.00 dollars I ever spent, is what I said in my article I wrote for Huntin Fool magazine. Where i also never once said that Luke was my guide. I wrote the truth, he is my best friend. Our group that hunts in this unit has always been more than friendly with mtncook. When he comes up the trail with his horses, we step to the side. Even with 100 lb packs on. We do not hunt around his main drop camp that he uses every season for his clients, which we could if we wanted to because the whole unit is free to hunt. We are personal friends with one of the other guides in the same unit and he can contest that we are all friends with a passion for hunting. And yes I will admit that Lukes passion is far above even mine. He will drive anywhere in the state, every weekend, by himself, just to be in the woods. He does not sit still. So when mtncook says he sees him down their all the time, that is just another weekend for Luke. He puts on more hiking miles that any person that I know. 500 plus foot miles just this year alone. Yes he is starting up his guide business, and yes MM magazine called all of his friend clients, but he knows the laws and rules for guiding. If he wants to help someone out for free than more power to him. I think you, mtncook, should work with him not against him. He is by far the best guide this state has seen in along time. He could do wonders for you on the ground. So no matter how much you try to tarnish his name, it will not slow down his pursuit for the hunt. Anybody with questions feel free to post. I have lots more of the truth to tell.
mtncook
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 10, 2013, 09:18:48 AM
This is all I want to know. And no-one seems to want to answer it
Post by: BDT on November 10, 2013, 10:13:21 AM
This is great. I am glad to see people love the outdoors and help their buddies. But no-one has explained why he is advertising a non existent guide service ? Most businesses don't advertise til they are in business.
This is all I want to know. And no-one seems to want to answer it
He has a guide service legally from the state. He is not allowed to charge people in the Blues though. That is why he does it for free. No crime doing that. Why would anyone want to see a hunter who has waited so long to draw a quality tag waist it because they can't afford to pay an outfitter. Any true hunter out there would do the same thing for someone else.
Post by: EDT on November 10, 2013, 10:20:58 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 10, 2013, 12:39:12 PM
That's cool. Where is his territory?This is great. I am glad to see people love the outdoors and help their buddies. But no-one has explained why he is advertising a non existent guide service ? Most businesses don't advertise til they are in business.
This is all I want to know. And no-one seems to want to answer it
He has a guide service legally from the state. He is not allowed to charge people in the Blues though. That is why he does it for free. No crime doing that. Why would anyone want to see a hunter who has waited so long to draw a quality tag waist it because they can't afford to pay an outfitter. Any true hunter out there would do the same thing for someone else.
Post by: wastickslinger on November 10, 2013, 02:40:44 PM
Post by: CaylenW on November 10, 2013, 02:54:53 PM
Luke has been a friend of mine for the better part of 8 years and I can say that he is by far one of the most honest, and selfless people I know. The only people that I can compare his character to are those special operators with whom I served during my time in the military; people who would do anything for you, with hearts bigger than their chests can hold. Luke's integrity and passion for the hunt is in fact beyond reproach. He does what he does because he loves it; he loves to see the happiness in another hunters eyes when they make the shot of a lifetime. Mr. Waldron Sir, Luke doesn't "coach" his friends on what to say. He tells them like it is; "I'm going to take you hunting, and I can't take your money. I'm going to do this because I love it, and I love the mountains. I'll give you 110% of my efforts, whatever it takes to get it done." Mr. Waldron, I'll also ask you if you know the definition of "Rogue"? To call a man a deceitful an unreliable scoundrel without any founding other than suspicion is downright slander. Further, in any other professional industry such claims could incite legal action.
Mr. Waldron, I was the other hunter on that trailhead when we ran into you and your pack train on our way out from that bear hunt; which was successful I might add. Your behavior was totally unprofessional and totally out of line. Making the accusations you made in the presence of a very, very well known outdoor writer while on public lands were astounding and shocking. I'll leave out the name of that writer, as well as the publication the article will be printed in. I can assure you your comments weren't well received and will be mentioned. The comments you made about who Luke's family is, and the conditions of his marriage are none of your business Sir, and I commend Luke on how he handled that situation. I can't say that I would have been able to exercise such restraint.
Could I see your frustrations if Luke were conducting illegal activities in the Wenaha? Absolutely. But how hard is it to accept that he really does drive from Yakima as much as he does, and spend so much time in the mountains without receiving compensation? How hard is it to accept that his passion is what drives him? And, your words of "That love will only take you so far", as you spoke on the trail that day couldn't be farther from the reality of life. Maybe it's time you took a look at why it is that you do what you do. My suspicion is that your frustration stems from the fact that you know Luke is very, very good at what he does. From a business perspective, dare I say that it was pretty foolish not to bring him into your operation. I am a business man of sort myself, and I would pay a pretty penny for a resume like Mr. Carrick's if it was in line with my profession.
I hope this post is enlightening to those who are following it. I only made this post to bring light to the facts. The act of taking someone into the mountains, on public land, to help them fulfill their dream is, in a way, guiding. One doesn't necessarily need to accept monies to call themselves a guide. Do those that guide us through life accept monies for their efforts? I know from personal experience that there are still people that exist in this world that are truly selfless. Many volunteer their time and a good portion of their lives to the care of our Nation's wounded warriors and their families, for nothing more than the satisfaction that they are doing the right thing. Look at the big picture and don't be so quick to judge a man based on the unfounded assumptions of another. I'll continue to hunt the Wenaha with Luke. There are too many more miles to cover, too many more adventures to undertake and too many more well deserved slaps on the back to ever quit.
Post by: JJB11B on November 10, 2013, 03:32:27 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 10, 2013, 03:48:34 PM
So for all to know how do you contact and where does guiderite guide at?
Post by: JODakota on November 10, 2013, 04:01:01 PM
I'm writing this post in response to Mr. Dave Waldron's (AKA mtncook) slander and accusations of illegal guiding activities of Luke Carrick in the Wenaha Wilderness. First, let me begin by saying that I am new to this forum, and the only reason I registered here was to post this rebuttal. I don't know anyone within the guiding/outfitting industry of Washington State, and frankly I have no desire to. I am a hunter myself, one who prides himself on physical challenge and achieving personal goals. That's why I choose to hunt the backcountry with other like-minded individuals.
Luke has been a friend of mine for the better part of 8 years and I can say that he is by far one of the most honest, and selfless people I know. The only people that I can compare his character to are those special operators with whom I served during my time in the military; people who would do anything for you, with hearts bigger than their chests can hold. Luke's integrity and passion for the hunt is in fact beyond reproach. He does what he does because he loves it; he loves to see the happiness in another hunters eyes when they make the shot of a lifetime. Mr. Waldron Sir, Luke doesn't "coach" his friends on what to say. He tells them like it is; "I'm going to take you hunting, and I can't take your money. I'm going to do this because I love it, and I love the mountains. I'll give you 110% of my efforts, whatever it takes to get it done." Mr. Waldron, I'll also ask you if you know the definition of "Rogue"? To call a man a deceitful an unreliable scoundrel without any founding other than suspicion is downright slander. Further, in any other professional industry such claims could incite legal action.
Mr. Waldron, I was the other hunter on that trailhead when we ran into you and your pack train on our way out from that bear hunt; which was successful I might add. Your behavior was totally unprofessional and totally out of line. Making the accusations you made in the presence of a very, very well known outdoor writer while on public lands were astounding and shocking. I'll leave out the name of that writer, as well as the publication the article will be printed in. I can assure you your comments weren't well received and will be mentioned. The comments you made about who Luke's family is, and the conditions of his marriage are none of your business Sir, and I commend Luke on how he handled that situation. I can't say that I would have been able to exercise such restraint.
Could I see your frustrations if Luke were conducting illegal activities in the Wenaha? Absolutely. But how hard is it to accept that he really does drive from Yakima as much as he does, and spend so much time in the mountains without receiving compensation? How hard is it to accept that his passion is what drives him? And, your words of "That love will only take you so far", as you spoke on the trail that day couldn't be farther from the reality of life. Maybe it's time you took a look at why it is that you do what you do. My suspicion is that your frustration stems from the fact that you know Luke is very, very good at what he does. From a business perspective, dare I say that it was pretty foolish not to bring him into your operation. I am a business man of sort myself, and I would pay a pretty penny for a resume like Mr. Carrick's if it was in line with my profession.
I hope this post is enlightening to those who are following it. I only made this post to bring light to the facts. The act of taking someone into the mountains, on public land, to help them fulfill their dream is, in a way, guiding. One doesn't necessarily need to accept monies to call themselves a guide. Do those that guide us through life accept monies for their efforts? I know from personal experience that there are still people that exist in this world that are truly selfless. Many volunteer their time and a good portion of their lives to the care of our Nation's wounded warriors and their families, for nothing more than the satisfaction that they are doing the right thing. Look at the big picture and don't be so quick to judge a man based on the unfounded assumptions of another. I'll continue to hunt the Wenaha with Luke. There are too many more miles to cover, too many more adventures to undertake and too many more well deserved slaps on the back to ever quit.
Outstanding post!
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 10, 2013, 04:37:09 PM
Post by: igotbigbulls on November 11, 2013, 08:33:06 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 11, 2013, 08:48:13 AM
Yes alot of support. ..its good to be a good friend and have great friends. I am sure there are lots of people on here that would love to be guided by Luke..
So for all to know how do you contact and where does guiderite guide at?
You don't really expect an answer to that do you?
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 11, 2013, 08:55:42 AM
He looks like a stand up guy and a great outdoorsman but we still don't have an answer to the question many have been asking. If Luke does own a Guide service how is one to find your services other than on MM and where do you guide that you are legal to do so without the need for a permitt?
Post by: Gringo31 on November 11, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
I enjoy hunting with people even if I'm not armed. But, I'm not going to drive hundreds of miles on a routine basis to do it. Guess I'm a tight wad :chuckle:
Post by: EDT on November 11, 2013, 09:29:20 AM
I did a business lic name look up can no business for GuideRote Adventures or anything owned by Luke Carrick in Washington. I know that in NF that does not require guide/Outfitter special use permits does require a valid Business license from the state.
He looks like a stand up guy and a great outdoorsman but we still don't have an answer to the question many have been asking. If Luke does own a Guide service how is one to find your services other than on MM and where do you guide that you are legal to do so without the need for a permitt?
I also think it has been shown that Luke seems to be a good guy, I also think it would be good to know about where Guiderite services in WA, if anything, for my own knowledge :)
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 11, 2013, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 11, 2013, 04:44:39 PM
Yes alot of support. ..its good to be a good friend and have great friends. I am sure there are lots of people on here that would love to be guided by Luke..
So for all to know how do you contact and where does guiderite guide at?
You don't really expect an answer to that do you?
Sure I do... Why wouldn't he? he wants business right. I mean that is the point of running a business. get clients, make money.. I know I have been hard on the guy but I have not spoken any slander, cursed at the guy or called him a out right liar. If you go back and read what I have posted all I want is answers.. After reading what Dave said I did my homework. I dont know about you but when I am thinking of hiring somebody for anything I do a check. For outfitters and guides as well . Need to make sure my money is getting what its worth. Dont you guys do this?... I had seen and read Lukes stuff on MM before so it got my curiosity up. I have already pointed out what the sentences said.. I.E Client/my hunters. I just like to have answers and besides his friends coming on here and vouching for his character no one has answered these questions. Dont make me go all "A FEW GOOD MEN " now.. :chuckle:
Is what I am asking really that difficult?
Post by: CaylenW on November 11, 2013, 06:50:30 PM
Yes alot of support. ..its good to be a good friend and have great friends. I am sure there are lots of people on here that would love to be guided by Luke..
So for all to know how do you contact and where does guiderite guide at?
You don't really expect an answer to that do you?
Sure I do... Why wouldn't he? he wants business right. I mean that is the point of running a business. get clients, make money.. I know I have been hard on the guy but I have not spoken any slander, cursed at the guy or called him a out right liar. If you go back and read what I have posted all I want is answers.. After reading what Dave said I did my homework. I dont know about you but when I am thinking of hiring somebody for anything I do a check. For outfitters and guides as well . Need to make sure my money is getting what its worth. Dont you guys do this?... I had seen and read Lukes stuff on MM before so it got my curiosity up. I have already pointed out what the sentences said.. I.E Client/my hunters. I just like to have answers and besides his friends coming on here and vouching for his character no one has answered these questions. Dont make me go all "A FEW GOOD MEN " now.. :chuckle:
Is what I am asking really that difficult?
Bro, check the last post Luke made, just above this one that I'm quoting. You got all you need right there, from the horse's mouth.
Post by: JM on November 11, 2013, 09:05:46 PM
Yes alot of support. ..its good to be a good friend and have great friends. I am sure there are lots of people on here that would love to be guided by Luke..
So for all to know how do you contact and where does guiderite guide at?
You don't really expect an answer to that do you?
Sure I do... Why wouldn't he? he wants business right. I mean that is the point of running a business. get clients, make money.. I know I have been hard on the guy but I have not spoken any slander, cursed at the guy or called him a out right liar. If you go back and read what I have posted all I want is answers.. After reading what Dave said I did my homework. I dont know about you but when I am thinking of hiring somebody for anything I do a check. For outfitters and guides as well . Need to make sure my money is getting what its worth. Dont you guys do this?... I had seen and read Lukes stuff on MM before so it got my curiosity up. I have already pointed out what the sentences said.. I.E Client/my hunters. I just like to have answers and besides his friends coming on here and vouching for his character no one has answered these questions. Dont make me go all "A FEW GOOD MEN " now.. :chuckle:
Is what I am asking really that difficult?
Bro, check the last post Luke made, just above this one that I'm quoting. You got all you need right there, from the horse's mouth.
When there are a few thousand people on these forums you can always count on at least one that disagrees, doesn't understand or just has nothing better to do than just try and ruffle peoples feathers. Best thing to do is agree to disagree and know that you're right. Kind of like arguing with your wife
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 12, 2013, 07:03:29 AM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 12, 2013, 08:49:53 AM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 12, 2013, 08:51:14 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 12, 2013, 08:53:33 AM
WOW!!!!
Those have huge ears!
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 12, 2013, 08:54:42 AM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 12, 2013, 09:16:43 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 12, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
That dudes got some coin!!!
Post by: nw_bowhunter on November 12, 2013, 06:36:09 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 12, 2013, 06:43:23 PM
East Cascades archery bullThat's much better :tup:
Post by: jackmaster on November 13, 2013, 06:33:34 AM
Post by: wahunter20 on November 13, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 13, 2013, 08:15:40 PM
By no means will I judge the character of luke. I met him and yes he was very friendly and seemed like he has a true passion. But I also see where mtcook is coming from. Hopefully the two can work it out someday since they both love doing what they do.
Post by: JODakota on November 13, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Totally off topic here but I wonder if McDonald's cares if you hand out free hamburgers in their store. I mean it's not like you would profit from it or anything. Just free not even a tip jar. But let the people you hand hamburgers out to know that you will be opening a burger joint down the road as soon as the city approves the building. Good deed or not I'm guessing mcdonalds would not be happy.
By no means will I judge the character of luke. I met him and yes he was very friendly and seemed like he has a true passion. But I also see where mtcook is coming from. Hopefully the two can work it out someday since they both love doing what they do.
So by your analogy, are you saying that mt cook owns the land? Did he buy it? Does he make the mortgage on it? I'm sure he pays for a permit, but that's public land. It belongs to we the people. I don't know Luke, but he is damned well pleased to do whatever he wants on it, just like I am.
Post by: jackelope on November 13, 2013, 08:56:15 PM
Post by: JODakota on November 13, 2013, 09:01:06 PM
He's not claiming to own the land and is not looking to keep anyone out. He does own the required permit to commercially guide on it and it is in his best interest to keep non-permitted guides out....whoever they are. He is following the law. Anybody else who is guiding in there for money is not following the law and should be dealt with.
I absolutely understand that, but there has been no proof of cash exchange and this rogue guide has had plenty of folks come here and express that. I am a man of proof, and so far, there has been none. I don't know either of these guys, I've just gathered this opinion from what I've observed. Back in my lane
Post by: jackelope on November 13, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 14, 2013, 07:21:03 AM
Along the same lines and nothing that would ever happen but what if'n the guys who spend $200,000 on Governors/Raffle tags each year decided to give back to the hunting community for a year and set up 5 camps with 6 wall tents and had 8 teams of pack animals parading around in the mountains and let anyone who drew a tag or wanted to hunt come and camp/hunt/use animals for free?? Granted it's an extreme that won't happen but maybe that's a literal hamburger analogy.
Sounds/looks like Mr Luke spends a lot of time in the mountains, knows them well and loves to hunt. I too hope that something gets worked out between these two...
Post by: 2MANY on November 14, 2013, 08:27:12 AM
Accepting anything while on these hunts could be considered payment.
Buying gas, paying for lodging, buying meals, etc.
In my little bubble I do a lot of fishing.
Fishing next to guides day in and day out. Often times I have a couple people in the boat. Because I have a passion for fishing, and do a lot of it, I can give the guides a run for their money daily. Recently I had a guide warn me and express his displeasure when he saw a good friend of mine give me some gas money.
Technically he claimed I was guiding and better not let the game warden see me doing that.
The reality of this situation is that Luke likes to hunt.
By the letter of the law is he crossing a fine line?
Possibly.
Was pushing the hot buttons Dave's way of finding out what's up?
Absolutely.
Has the WDFW created this situation by giving us very few quality areas to hunt?
Positively.
Hots, Cotts, and Tents on Us.
Sounds like a great name for a non profit outfitting business.
Awesome.
Kind of like The Blue's version of tent city for the homeless.
"Well his unemployment wasn't enough for him to afford food and a place to stay so we provided the poor bugger a place to sleep while he hunts his quality tag on the tax payer's dime."
LMAO!!!!!!!
Post by: Ridge Roamer on November 14, 2013, 08:33:48 AM
Post by: Mxracer532 on November 14, 2013, 09:01:47 AM
I hope of one day a guy like Luke if not Luke himself will help my Dad fulfill his dream of an archery bull if he ever draws a tag.
Post by: hawk eyes on November 14, 2013, 09:19:34 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 14, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
Bill Clinton while president of our country.
Post by: Woodchuck on November 14, 2013, 10:13:22 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
i don't think they should allow one guide to control an area and not give other people the option of guiding in the area should not be a monopoly on this kinda stuffWould it be ok to have 4 outfitters in a small area? Where would you or I, the unguided regular guy go if multiple outfitters had drop camps all over the place?
Post by: Nailed it on November 14, 2013, 11:52:19 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 14, 2013, 12:09:23 PM
This seems like a bad idea.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 14, 2013, 12:11:20 PM
i don't think they should allow one guide to control an area and not give other people the option of guiding in the area should not be a monopoly on this kinda stuffWould it be ok to have 4 outfitters in a small area? Where would you or I, the unguided regular guy go if multiple outfitters had drop camps all over the place?
I think it was a very uninformed opinion J.
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2013, 12:48:33 PM
i don't think they should allow one guide to control an area and not give other people the option of guiding in the area should not be a monopoly on this kinda stuffWould it be ok to have 4 outfitters in a small area? Where would you or I, the unguided regular guy go if multiple outfitters had drop camps all over the place?
I think it was a very uninformed opinion J.
From me?
It was more or less meant to be a general example. I wasn't referring to anyone or anywhere in particular.
Post by: 2MANY on November 14, 2013, 02:05:36 PM
Wyoming won't let non residents hunt in the wilderness without a guide and I believe it's Federal property or at least gets federal money allocated to it's maintenance.
Interesting concept.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 14, 2013, 02:28:54 PM
i personally think that law sucks, I would be breaking the law if it was like that in Idaho.
Wyoming won't let non residents hunt in the wilderness without a guide and I believe it's Federal property or at least gets federal money allocated to it's maintenance.
Interesting concept.
Post by: Maybee-R on November 14, 2013, 05:41:16 PM
This guy spends days packing in and hiking for *censored*s and giggles. Im not kidding at all.
He spends time with friends and helping them during their hunts just to see the possibility's out there.
He was in camp with another buddy who asked if I needed help with a permit hunt I was on. Already three day in and no luck so I said sure...He walked beside me. waited on me..slow, but called for me and supported my enthusiasm. Kept me out when I may have given up.
I tagged my first ever bull. He worked it over and basically packed it out on his back for no other reason then to just be there.
Never asked for anything in return. I did buy him a beer....But I would of before all this help and will again.
If this person the OP of this thread had any idea of the type of person Luke is he wouldnt of posted this, or questioned Luke as cheating anybody out of anything. Luke has been a positive person in my life. I cant believe of all the people I know he would be questioned or anyone would imply he was breaking any laws. Not The Luke I Know. No way.
And Yes he did have a bear tag in his pocket. So his motives could of been two fold. lol. But he never carried a weapon so Im sticking to he just wanted to help mentality. Ive known Luke and shot with or at shoots with him for over 9 years. Never see him with out a smile or a chance to say Hi to you.
Post by: Maybee-R on November 14, 2013, 05:47:14 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 14, 2013, 10:14:17 PM
1. Why advertise that you are an outfitter?
2.why submit pictures to one of the the largest hunting site with pictures titled Luke and his clients?
3. Why introduce yourself to a stranger with a bull tag as an outfitter?
4. Why show a stranger pictures of your clients kills.
5. Why pack out 3 general season bucks in one day on your back for clients for free?
6. Why devote 50-60 days scouting for strangers to hunt where you have spent decades learning to give it up for free?
7. Someone mentioned a guide license issued by the state, is there one?
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 14, 2013, 10:24:47 PM
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Post by: kentrek on November 14, 2013, 10:56:23 PM
Keep up the good work Luke..best if luck to your future hunts :tup:
Post by: JODakota on November 14, 2013, 11:41:21 PM
Oh snap someone just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
How do you figure? There still is zero proof that he took payment. I have yet to see one person say hey, I paid Luke for this or that. So until I see that. This is all just bs
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Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 14, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
wastickslinger correct me if i'm wrong here but you said that you had a tag for the blues and Luke gave you his number and told him he was an outfitter for that unit correct?.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 15, 2013, 07:45:25 AM
I met Luke and was considering contacting him for future assistance. He introduced himself as a guide and gave me his number.
1. Why advertise that you are an outfitter?
2. Why submit pictures to one of the the largest hunting site with pictures titled Luke and his clients?
3. Why introduce yourself to a stranger with a bull tag as an outfitter?
Post by: 2MANY on November 15, 2013, 08:07:13 AM
"He introduced himself as a guide and gave me his number. "
Routing number?
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 15, 2013, 09:51:41 AM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 15, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 15, 2013, 10:13:06 AM
Just like you it's the passion, so how about we meet up one day and we can accompany one another on a hunt for the elusive big bull? :dunno:
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 15, 2013, 10:14:21 AM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 15, 2013, 10:16:19 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on November 15, 2013, 10:16:31 AM
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 15, 2013, 10:18:03 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 15, 2013, 10:19:30 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 15, 2013, 10:41:48 AM
I'm not the average guide (someone that assistance others in harvesting there trophy big game animal) that works for something in return? I'm also not your average guide (someone that assistance others in harvesting there trophy big game animal) when I assistance "clients" friends of friends of friends of friends and ask for nothing in return. Accept maybe a thank you for your help! I don't want to be your average guide (someone that assistance others in harvesting there trophy big game animal). If you are so optimistic about my services draw your tag of a lifetime and then give me a call. Then you will see how hard I will work for you to harvest your trophy and ask for nothing. Sorry it is hard for you guys to believe that I do what I do. But I don't like being the average guy. I always go above and beyond and push myself to the absolute limits and then push even harder.That's great, you should consider doing it outside of the wilderness area that an outfitter already has the permit for so you can be compensated. There is plenty of private and state land you could do it on. There is a reason there is only one outfitter permitted in an area. No one wants overcrowding in an area they spend hours to get to. Those people you assist would never been able to get that deep and have no business in there if they arent capable. :twocents:
Post by: wastickslinger on November 15, 2013, 10:44:39 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on November 15, 2013, 11:23:27 AM
For the record you still have yet to answer many questions. I get you want to do it for free. You like it we heard that. Why advertise? If its for friends there should never be a need to advertise. If one of my friends called me a client I'd be irritated. I'd rather be called a buddy or hunting partner.:yeah:
If he is advertising and referring to "friends" as "clients"...not buying it. :twocents: Sometimes when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...it is a duck.
Post by: 2MANY on November 15, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
This is laughable for sure.
Guide..................Client.......................not really.......................or maybe................?
Post by: Easy-E on November 15, 2013, 01:15:02 PM
Are there different requirements for "guide" versus "outfitter"?
Are these legally defined somewhere?
And are these permits a Federal permit (National Forest) or a state permit? Or both?
And who enforces this stuff when there is a complaint?
:dunno:
Post by: woodywsu on November 15, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
I'd rather be called a buddy or hunting partner.
Sounds to me like you were a "buddy" but you didn't have his number. The advertising throws me here, I don't understand it.
Post by: boneaddict on November 15, 2013, 02:39:35 PM
For the record you still have yet to answer many questions. I get you want to do it for free. You like it we heard that. Why advertise? If its for friends there should never be a need to advertise. If one of my friends called me a client I'd be irritated. I'd rather be called a buddy or hunting partner.
Interesting thread. These are pretty valid questions. I need to look at stuff a little more before I come to any conclusions, but from what I have seen, I can see why Mtn Cook might be a little bit upset. I know several others that have gotten by the "guiding rules" and I have never thought much about it.
Post by: returnofsid on November 15, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
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Luke Carrick, recently began a new business as a guide in Washington (Guiderite Adventures). Here are some pics of his first happy client
I gotta admit, this sounds nothing like helping a friend hunt...
Post by: Nailed it on November 15, 2013, 05:40:51 PM
Post by: boneaddict on November 15, 2013, 05:52:46 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 15, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
Besides the fact that I have posted links where you all have seen Luke call his friends "clients" and he only does this for free. Let me recap some things. I dont' know how to copy that many quotes so I will tell you the page and who posted.
Page 1
JM---- "He's been trying to get his hands a license for that area but he is smart about it"./ Wrong he was not smart about it. He solicites people at the trailhead. One spoke up today to where he introduced himself as a guide. In a area he is not permitted I might add. And there are others.. Besides as long as Dave holds the Permit Luke will not get one.
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Limhangerslayer-----" I guess he is also "guiding" in the Yakima area too. They shot a 330 bull during archery.." Like I said I do my homework. . You say this was just a friend he was helping and we have seen the picture but on his facebook page where I will admit he says friend in alot of his pictures except One.. This east cascades bull clearly says "another success for guiderite adventures" If this is on his facebook where it is just his friends where everyone know he helps people clearly state this one picture as his business...why would he say that instead of another great hunt with my friend?
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JM----- " He is putting the cart before the horse by giving himself a name before he has a business"/// But he already has one, does he not? its called guiderite adventures acording to MM
Cont from JM---- If you want to start a guiding business though and be able to Charge large amounts of money right out of the gate then you'd be way ahead if you already had a bunch of harvest pics. Pretty brilliant if you ask me"
I would say he is putting the cart before the horse. Most people would have a teritory and permit in hand before they started promoting themselves. And why would he want to charge lots of money I thought he was doing everything for free. He said on page 7 if you dont believe me get drawn for a tag and find out for yourself. To build a website and all that work To guide for free... Com on man
In rebuttle to my question on page 5
BDT--- "He has a guide service legally from the state"
He might have a license by the state but if he has a guide service where is it at? this still goes unaswered. He does not hold a permit anywhere by the USFS
To finish my rant Luke I have no doubt is a great friend and helps people get animals. His passion is very hard to find and it is very admirable but from the things posted and the wording used on MM and facebook there are to many variables. It does not add up...
When asked questions they are never really answered just sidesteped with another post from a newbie vouching for his character. Today for example wastick asked some, Again unaswered.
And for the "friends" that made Luke carry out three bucks and you were nowhere to be found. Shame on you for not returning the favor of being a great friend.
Post by: ScottyG on November 15, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
I would not be at all offended if he called me a client. I might as well of been one.
I think its awesome that a guy who is passionate about hunting would volunteer his energy, time, and knowledge to help others take quality trophies with no expectation of compensation. If he's got a goal of eventually becoming a paid guide, why would anyone begrudge him calling them clients? In what I do, a number of circumstances can create clients that pay me nothing. They are no less clients than those that do pay me.
If I had the time, resources and know how, I'd certainly take people on top quality hunts just to be a part of a great hunt every year. I take my kid and friends on great hunts every year and don't care if I pull the trigger nor do expect them to pay me anything. It wouldn't be a huge step to do it for a stranger. It's still a quality experience in life and you just can't draw a quality tag every year for your own hunt. For some of those special tags, you are only going to get one or two in a lifetime. How else could you be a part of those hunts every year unless you were willing to put yourself out like this guy does?
Without proof that he's getting paid, bad mouthing this guy is just whiny slander coming from a bunch of people that think they know the only way to go through life. To heck with that myopic and selfish approach to life.
You don't have to get paid for every nice thing you do for others. You don't have to have a tag to be a part of a great hunt. You don't have to have a previous friendship with somebody to have a great adventure with them. I'd say anybody that gets to hunt with this guy is lucky and worrying about whether you are called a client or not is a very ungratious way to accept this person's gift.
Sometimes if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its just a person immitating a duck and not a duck at all.
Post by: hawk eyes on November 15, 2013, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: HHPro on November 15, 2013, 07:07:50 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on November 15, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
i agree with the post above and still stand firm that one guide should not be allowed to monopolize an area everyone should petition to change that.just like anything else the good ones will make it and the others won't keep on doing what your doing luke.
Like it or not it's the way it was set up. Just because someone doesn't like the rules doesn't mean they can be broken. Lots of things in life are not fair. Get use to it. I don't like speed limits but if I break it I get a ticket.
Post by: wastickslinger on November 15, 2013, 08:20:28 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 15, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
If anyone is looking for an attorney I could use some clients. No charge. I don't have a liscence to practice but it will be on the house. Why would I do this you ask, well cause I like to argue.actually a pretty good example, I have to admit, if one of my friends called me a client it would be a bit strange. Heck I've met a couple guys on here that I've never met in person, and I wouldn't call them clients. As far as mnt cook having a monopoly, he's by all I've seen and heard, done the business good. If he wasn't deserving of the permit then I don't think he would have it. It sounds like Luke also is deserving a permit in a unit, hopefully he'll get one that doesn't conflict with other respectable guiedes. Just my 2 cents. I have to mention one thing, a lot of new guys have signed up latly??
Post by: Lnk on November 15, 2013, 11:34:38 PM
Post by: elk247 on November 16, 2013, 12:35:15 AM
lots of folks still help others. I've helped and received help from/for great people and new friends just this year. I think if someone had Luke or mtcook in their hunting camp they would be better off then without. :twocents: I get your point , lets agree to hunt everyday as if it's our last, give 100% and for the love of sweet baby Jesus let's see some blue's bulls!I just had a good friend with horses take me into a beautiful drainage in a remote part of Oregon and led me to the biggest bull of my life. I'd never hunted there before and provided little to the camp other than grunt labor. I couldn't have done it without his efforts, equipment, knowledge of the country, and stock. I didn't pay him anything other than my share of the costs of the trip.
I would not be at all offended if he called me a client. I might as well of been one.
I think its awesome that a guy who is passionate about hunting would volunteer his energy, time, and knowledge to help others take quality trophies with no expectation of compensation. If he's got a goal of eventually becoming a paid guide, why would anyone begrudge him calling them clients? In what I do, a number of circumstances can create clients that pay me nothing. They are no less clients than those that do pay me.
If I had the time, resources and know how, I'd certainly take people on top quality hunts just to be a part of a great hunt every year. I take my kid and friends on great hunts every year and don't care if I pull the trigger nor do expect them to pay me anything. It wouldn't be a huge step to do it for a stranger. It's still a quality experience in life and you just can't draw a quality tag every year for your own hunt. For some of those special tags, you are only going to get one or two in a lifetime. How else could you be a part of those hunts every year unless you were willing to put yourself out like this guy does?
Without proof that he's getting paid, bad mouthing this guy is just whiny slander coming from a bunch of people that think they know the only way to go through life. To heck with that myopic and selfish approach to life.
You don't have to get paid for every nice thing you do for others. You don't have to have a tag to be a part of a great hunt. You don't have to have a previous friendship with somebody to have a great adventure with them. I'd say anybody that gets to hunt with this guy is lucky and worrying about whether you are called a client or not is a very ungratious way to accept this person's gift.
Sometimes if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its just a person immitating a duck and not a duck at all.
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Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 16, 2013, 03:23:46 AM
Besides the traffic that it already gets. I would say that the number of harvest is greatly higher than normal With guided hunts and we all know they don't want that. . Pretty sure that would put a dent in the herd and management plan
Post by: boneaddict on November 16, 2013, 07:52:58 AM
Post by: JM on November 16, 2013, 08:17:51 AM
As far as letting more than one outfitter in a area. I do not believe that will happen.
Besides the traffic that it already gets. I would say that the number of harvest is greatly higher than normal With guided hunts and we all know they don't want that. . Pretty sure that would put a dent in the herd and management plan
WOW!! You're still ranting about this? If he doesn't take money for it, then there's nothing illegal about it. He could call the people he takes clients,friends or aliens it doesn't matter. The only issue would be money. That is something that Luke and all his friends and I know he doesn't take and I doubt hell give you his bank statements to prove to some internet gumshoes that he's legit.
The other reason to try and recruit people to take is the points issue. Not everybody has friends 10+ points.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 16, 2013, 08:53:56 AM
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Post by: wastickslinger on November 16, 2013, 09:30:33 AM
Post by: rychek on November 16, 2013, 09:45:31 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 16, 2013, 10:35:52 AM
I also have chosen to believe my friend when he says Luke solicited him at the trail head and said you are a guide.. Regardless if you are doing it for free you are soliciting business. Business that should be directed towards mountain cook if they are interested in a guide.
I wish you well
Post by: trophyhunt on November 16, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
In closing for me everyone can believe what they want. I have chosen to believe that no matter how good of a guy Luke is he chose the wrong way to do it. I choose to believe he purposly chose the word "client" and also advertising himself on other sites. He is using pictures from harvest mostly from a area he will not be guiding in. When I look at business/outfitters that I am interested in, besides looking at the referals I also look at the pictures so I know what quality of animals are in that outfitters area. I am curious what you will tell people when they want animals like the pictures you show? my suggestion would get a territiry take pics of your harvest so people can see what quality of animals you have In your area. Showing you are successful is one thing, every outfit can do that but showing the animals you have in your area is where it counts.tough to argue that, you pretty much summed it up Ross. I can see why your probably done here, you've had a good argument from the start and you have done your homework.
I also have chosen to believe my friend when he says Luke solicited him at the trail head and said you are a guide.. Regardless if you are doing it for free you are soliciting business. Business that should be directed towards mountain cook if they are interested in a guide.
I wish you well
Post by: BDT on November 16, 2013, 12:40:35 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 16, 2013, 01:44:24 PM
Post by: JM on November 16, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
If anyone is looking for an attorney I could use some clients. No charge. I don't have a liscence to practice but it will be on the house. Why would I do this you ask, well cause I like to argue.
I'm confused?? Aren't you allowed to pick your own defense licensed or not??? Heck if you've been practicing law for free for the last twenty years and have won lots of cases with lots of happy CLIENTS then what's your number?
I think that licensed attorney's are way too expensive and I'm not able to afford them with me being a home owner and my wife being pregnant and going to school on my income
Post by: JM on November 17, 2013, 01:26:03 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 17, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
A summary of things proven in this thread.
1) Dave owns the right to outfit/guide in his area.
2) Luke likes to hunt.
Post by: jackelope on November 17, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
A summary of things proven in this thread.
1) Dave owns the right to outfit/guide in his area.
2) Luke likes to hunt.
Solid synopsis.
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 17, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
A summary of things proven in this thread.
1) Dave owns the right to outfit/guide in his area.
2) Luke likes to hunt.
How dare you say that?! What solid evidence do you have of either one of these things?
Oh never mind :rolleyes:
Post by: wastickslinger on November 18, 2013, 11:19:15 AM
And for the comment on Luke soliciting a friend of rosscrazyelk, if your friend is the guy that had a rifle tag this season he was not solicited by Luke. Luke and I just packed out our deer that we both shot and he came over to talk to us. He mentioned he was heading back in for his rifle hunt. He was not using Mtncook or anyone for their services. When Luke mentioned he would love to help, if he needed it, he asked for his cell number. I was standing with both of them when Luke told him he would help for free. Who would not want free help on a hunt,which for some of us, is a once in a lifetime hunt. So when you say soliciting that just is not the truth. I was a witness. Once again he was not taking clients away from Mtncook. Name just one person that was booked with Mtncook and canceled so they could go hunt with Luke. NONE
Im confused. The buck Luke killed is the one on MM right, a nice 4 point he is sitting behind? Caption says Luke and fine animals he and clients have taken this year. Here is the link again. http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html (http://www.monstermuleys.com/photos/PhotosID32/138.html)
The day at the trail head there were 3 bucks, that 4 point pictured on MM was not one of them. He sat there and told me they were his clients bucks. I assumed he meant all 3. He was telling me how he got his clients in position to kill them and so on. I assumed he meant all 3. :dunno: So was one of those 3 bucks his? Is that 4 point on MM really someone elses then?
BDT if your a freind that was swell of you to let him call you a cleint when he was over at my truck talking to me.
I just cant get over the whole "client" friend thing. That is what bothers me most. You guys that are standing up and saying no big deal its just wording. Well, I dare you to introduce your wife or girlfriend as a hooker. " He bob I want you to meet me lovely hooker, we have been togethere for 10 years. She means the world to me." :twocents:
I should learn when to shut my mouth but I just want to make it clear that I think its great that he wants to eventually make a great business guiding. I see nothing wrong with that. The whole point is that he needs to go about it legally. If they wont permit him in that area then he should do some homework and find another great spot. The state is full of great places to guide without an outfitter permit. There is a reason they only allow som many to outfit in one area.
Post by: Lov2hunt on November 18, 2013, 11:54:05 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 18, 2013, 12:24:52 PM
It actually says hunters not clients and there were only 2 bucks in the truck not 3.
Actually it says Luke and HIS hunters.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 18, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
You don't need to be a tag holder just someone that loves to hunt and be in the outdoors! First come first serve. Guide is just a title (someone that assistance others in harvesting there trophy big game animal ) maybe that would be a better way to put it? I have a house and a little girl 3 year old daughter and a fulltime job. It's not easy but I make it happen! My daughter loves the outdoors just as much as her Daddy!
her you go this guy needs help with an Elk Special Permit! :tup:
First time Bow hunter drew a multy season elk tag didn,t want to waist the bow side of it so i bought one took it out turkey hunting called in a nice tom killed it about 35 yards any way drew a any bull in the tootle was looking for a local guide service to help find me any bull first two weeks of Dec. any ideas I'm new to the forum hope I'm doing this right Thanks for any help
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 18, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
Hello all,
My brother and I drew cow tags as mentioned in the subject line. Saw lots of easily shootable elk in the general season, just no spikes... So, would really like to capitalize on this cow tag in the Teanaway. Don't know the area that well, but at that time of year, I would guess the cows would be down in the valleys feeding and then finding a place to hide during the day. Don't know of any private land to hunt on, so that'll make things more difficult.
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here is one more.
i should start hunting harmony.com, this is fun. :hello:
Post by: wastickslinger on November 18, 2013, 01:49:16 PM
Luke I'm sure your business will take off and succeed, many hunters need assistance. Last thing and I'm done. This is more of a suggestion to keep your outfit running. Keep your business out of the wilderness. Even if it's for friends. It doesn't look good. Perception is everything. Get the horse out in front of the cart.
Post by: Lnk on November 18, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
My last post- I have been an a$$ enough.
Luke I'm sure your business will take off and succeed, many hunters need assistance. Last thing and I'm done. This is more of a suggestion to keep your outfit running. Stay out of the wilderness. Even if it's for friends. It doesn't look good. Perception is everything. Get the horse out in front of the cart.
Who are you to tell him to stay out of the wilderness if he's just taking friends in there?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on November 19, 2013, 07:50:22 AM
Post by: 2MANY on November 19, 2013, 07:52:10 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on November 19, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
Post by: jake on November 21, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Post by: floatinghat on November 22, 2013, 04:48:06 PM
only thing missing was the popcorn