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Title: Yakima wolves?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 04, 2013, 07:18:26 PM
Excuse me if this has been on here but I really dont want to go looking . Was talking to my buddy today about his elk hunt over in the cowichee.. he said he struck up a conversation with a land owner that said the yakima tribe and the state worked together to release a few breeding pair of wolves. Where I do not know? does anyone on here?
Also he said that out of all those wolves aparently there are only 9 left.  I find that funny
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: JJB11B on November 04, 2013, 07:19:59 PM
cougartail probably knows...
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 04, 2013, 07:22:40 PM
Well I would think that it would be releasing of wolves that were live trapped then collared and released. As it is against the wolf introduction for the WDFW to actually release them. They were suppose to self populate kind of like go West little wolf.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: JJB11B on November 04, 2013, 07:26:59 PM
should have made the collar out of thin cable and hung em off the tallest tree in the county!
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 04, 2013, 07:39:25 PM
 :tup:
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Post by: haulinbass on November 04, 2013, 07:40:48 PM
I got a buddy who lives over there and his dad said he saw them (Wdfw) releasing a pair over towards ellensburg.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Houndhunter on November 04, 2013, 07:42:13 PM
I doubt the tribes would be involved in a reintroduction of wolves, if they were it would be made public to make them look good. Far as i know all tribes that have wolves on "their" hunting grounds, are trying to manage them. Highly doubt the tribes would secretly release wolves :twocents:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 04, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
Were wolves re-introduced to Washington?

No. Wolves are returning naturally from dispersing populations in nearby states and provinces. The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) never reintroduced or transplanted wolves into Washington, nor has any other state or federal agency.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/faq.html#1 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/faq.html#1)
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 04, 2013, 08:17:59 PM
How do a pack of wolves just show up in the middle of the state?
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Post by: mountainman on November 04, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
Were wolves re-introduced to Washington?

No. Wolves are returning naturally from dispersing populations in nearby states and provinces. The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) never reintroduced or transplanted wolves into Washington, nor has any other state or federal agency.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/faq.html#1 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/faq.html#1)
:chuckle:lol!
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: mountainman on November 04, 2013, 08:29:18 PM
cougartail probably knows...
:yeah: :chuckle:
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Post by: Houndhunter on November 04, 2013, 08:31:44 PM
I seen wolf tracks when we went lion hunting years back, way before they were "officially" here. Wolves never left WA, they've always been here. But our WDFW has not said so, just more bs to believe..... I don't think wolves were transplanted, but they have been here all this time IMO. Now that their "endangered" though, we hunters are stuck. Not much we can do, hopefully the tribes put a hurt on them :twocents:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Axle on November 04, 2013, 08:49:16 PM
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Were wolves re-introduced to Washington?

The answer is no. You can't 're-introduce' a species that has never existed here before. It was an unlawful release of a non-native species. The Canadian Gray Wolf does not belong here.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: JJB11B on November 04, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
How do a pack of wolves just show up in the middle of the state?
:yeah:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: JM on November 04, 2013, 09:36:40 PM
Wolves outnumber hunters over here now so I wouldn't bother going east of the PCT there's no game left.

That rumor was going around here about 5 yrs ago. B.S. if you ask me, I'm not a fan of how the tribe manages game around here but I know that they wouldn't even do something as dumb as this



Excuse me if this has been on here but I really dont want to go looking . Was talking to my buddy today about his elk hunt over in the cowichee.. he said he struck up a conversation with a land owner that said the yakima tribe and the state worked together to release a few breeding pair of wolves. Where I do not know? does anyone on here?
Also he said that out of all those wolves aparently there are only 9 left.  I find that funny
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Cougartail on November 05, 2013, 07:37:19 AM
Wolves outnumber hunters over here now so I wouldn't bother going east of the PCT there's no game left.

That rumor was going around here about 5 yrs ago. B.S. if you ask me, I'm not a fan of how the tribe manages game around here but I know that they wouldn't even do something as dumb as this



Excuse me if this has been on here but I really dont want to go looking . Was talking to my buddy today about his elk hunt over in the cowichee.. he said he struck up a conversation with a land owner that said the yakima tribe and the state worked together to release a few breeding pair of wolves. Where I do not know? does anyone on here?
Also he said that out of all those wolves aparently there are only 9 left.  I find that funny

Ever hear of the Forest Carnivore Project? It's on their website  and the "Comprehensive Wildlife Management Plan" is "to restore the native complement of carnivore species".

Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: muzbuster on November 05, 2013, 07:59:09 AM
Well I would think that it would be releasing of wolves that were live trapped then collared and released. As it is against the wolf introduction for the WDFW to actually release them. They were suppose to self populate kind of like go West little wolf.
:chuckle:  :chuckle:  :chuckle:  :chuckle:  :chuckle:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: rtspring on November 05, 2013, 08:09:12 AM
I have seen two wolves in 346, but it was in the early 90'S..  No doubt they were wolves.  One was solid black, he was huge and about 50 yards from me..

I cover alot of ground and have not seen one since then or tracks
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: jdb on November 07, 2013, 07:10:59 PM
I spend 50+ days a year in the cowiche. I highly doubt there are wolves in that unit
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: full strutting on November 07, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
Yes their is wolves in cowiche unit. Tracks and have first hand sightings. Even though DNR has had a bilogist enter areas of interests. But what you'd expect, they reported large coyotes. Typical...... :bash:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 07, 2013, 08:48:59 PM
Yes there's wolves
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: jdb on November 08, 2013, 05:24:43 AM
If there are wolves in the yakima area don't you think they'd be wiping out the elk at the feed stations?
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 08, 2013, 06:11:48 AM
No I do not, there would have to be multiple large packs before we started seeing devastation like that. We do not have packs like that "yet"
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: jdb on November 08, 2013, 06:21:50 AM
Why would it take multiple large packs before they'd move to the feeding station?
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 08, 2013, 06:42:47 AM
Your mind is obviously made up in this topic and that's fine. Until you see one you will not believe that there are wolves in these mountains in question. For your 50 days a year in the mountains it could take you 5plus years before you saw one. Or you could see one tomorrow.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: yakimarcher on November 08, 2013, 08:14:46 AM
I have no doubt that there are wolves in the area, at least venturing down here from the teannaway, I've followed wolf posts on this site for a couple of years now and paid close attention to reports concerning anything in Yakima County, I've talked to several people who have seen wolves here. No doubt that we have wolves.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: boneaddict on November 08, 2013, 08:23:57 AM
Excuse me if this has been on here but I really dont want to go looking . Was talking to my buddy today about his elk hunt over in the cowichee.. he said he struck up a conversation with a land owner that said the yakima tribe and the state worked together to release a few breeding pair of wolves. Where I do not know? does anyone on here?
Also he said that out of all those wolves aparently there are only 9 left.  I find that funny

I am not sure how pinpoint accurate those details are, but close.   The tribe is monitoring a pack somewhere on Satus.  A member on here and friend of mine is part of it.  He can speak up to what he knows if he wants.  It might effect his job, so he might not.  The last time I talked to him about it was this spring.   As for other wolves in the area, I have tracked them in the Nile, if I remember correctly, three of them I figured.  I have also seen tracks in the Manastash (singles)
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Northway on November 08, 2013, 10:11:05 AM
Excuse me if this has been on here but I really dont want to go looking . Was talking to my buddy today about his elk hunt over in the cowichee.. he said he struck up a conversation with a land owner that said the yakima tribe and the state worked together to release a few breeding pair of wolves. Where I do not know? does anyone on here?
Also he said that out of all those wolves aparently there are only 9 left.  I find that funny

I am not sure how pinpoint accurate those details are, but close.   The tribe is monitoring a pack somewhere on Satus.  A member on here and friend of mine is part of it.  He can speak up to what he knows if he wants.  It might effect his job, so he might not.  The last time I talked to him about it was this spring.   As for other wolves in the area, I have tracked them in the Nile, if I remember correctly, three of them I figured.  I have also seen tracks in the Manastash (singles)

You could be the laziest wolf in the state on the Yakima Res. I bet a few could eat carrion and never have to chase down a live animal. There are such a huge surplus of mustangs on that chunk of land that I don't know how the tribe could even keep track of all the dead ones.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: boneaddict on November 08, 2013, 10:15:55 AM
I know, and they are doing so much damage.   Hopefully they like horsemeat more than antelope.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Northway on November 08, 2013, 12:03:48 PM
I know, and they are doing so much damage.   Hopefully they like horsemeat more than antelope.

I know this is a different topic, but have you heard anything about how many of those antelope have stuck around the reservation?
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: boneaddict on November 08, 2013, 12:07:08 PM
Pretty scattered I think, but no I haven't heard and I didn't go down and look this fall.   
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: jdb on November 08, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
I know, and they are doing so much damage.   Hopefully they like horsemeat more than antelope.
agreed! The horses are a huge problem the tribe really needs to address.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Kowsrule30 on November 08, 2013, 12:26:49 PM
My Dad and I have seen a lone wolf in Cowichie below Eagles nest... Stalking elk.... Have also seen other tracks... Talked to some cattle ranchers and one has seen and heard them howling along with tracks of a small group in the snow... Because of how many people/pressure 368 receives and see's I'm doubting many wolf call it their "home".... I'm sure most are just venturing out for food and their own turf... Then the hunting/orv/camping/shooting, pressure and move on for the most part.... Or catch a gut shot....   :twocents:     
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: huntandjeep on November 08, 2013, 04:59:35 PM
I spend 50+ days a year in the cowiche. I highly doubt there are wolves in that unit
.  If they have been seen in Rimrock what's going to keep them from heading south?
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 08, 2013, 05:24:33 PM
I know, and they are doing so much damage.   Hopefully they like horsemeat more than antelope.
agreed! The horses are a huge problem the tribe really needs to address.

We've been just as other neighboring Tribes have.  Hopefully we win in some future court battles cuz the greenie groups aren't helping any.  That and the processing facilities get moving so we can start shipping some horses.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Buzz2401 on November 09, 2013, 02:17:48 PM
Spotted wolves near Darland mountain about 3 years ago. two were black and the other was gray.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: KFhunter on November 09, 2013, 10:22:14 PM
Speaking of Antelope - this is one area the wolves may well be beneficial.


coyotes would do far more damage to the 'lope than wolves will.  Lower the coyote population with wolves and the speedgoats will do better.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: boneaddict on November 11, 2013, 05:19:52 PM
That's an interesting thought.  The rez is chuck full of yotes.
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Post by: KFhunter on November 11, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
....and folks call me a wolf hater  :chuckle:
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 11, 2013, 05:28:22 PM
I have no doubt that the tribe has done it more then once. I know they like to drive around and howl for them up here :tup:
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Post by: PlateauNDN on November 11, 2013, 05:37:10 PM
I highly and emphasize highly doubt anybody in our wildlife dept. Participated in such a thimg because I know majority of the hunters in our Tribe do not cate or want wolves and if this occured its not going to take long for council members ' heads to roll for doing such a thing unwanted. I'm very sure they'd lay blame and do everything to not allow such a thing before they'd risk thwir own necks and PAYCHECKS.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 11, 2013, 05:43:08 PM
I have corresponded extensively with the WDFW, the USFWS, the NPS, and the NFS about transplanting wolves anywhere in WA. They haven't done it. Wolves have definitely travelled across the state and I saw one in the Winston Unit two years ago at very close range. The hoops the gubmint needs to jump through to move these critters are extreme and expensive, especially when they move around on their own with zero difficulty. Whether or not private groups have done it is another story. My :twocents:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: JJB11B on November 11, 2013, 05:47:17 PM
sure they haven't....They're in cahoots with the Feds......It's a conspiracy and its a black op.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 11, 2013, 05:49:11 PM
sure they haven't....They're in cahoots with the Feds......It's a conspiracy and its a black op.

 :chuckle:  not us that's for sure, WDFW, probably.
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 12, 2013, 05:43:34 AM
sure they haven't....They're in cahoots with the Feds......It's a conspiracy and its a black op.

Yeah, that's it. :tinfoil:
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Prohunter270 on November 15, 2013, 05:53:36 PM
Seen 1 for myself up by windy point, big black one. I could not convince my rifle that it was not a coyote!!! Lol
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 15, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
I know, and they are doing so much damage.   Hopefully they like horsemeat more than antelope.
agreed! The horses are a huge problem the tribe really needs to address.

We've been just as other neighboring Tribes have.  Hopefully we win in some future court battles cuz the greenie groups aren't helping any.  That and the processing facilities get moving so we can start shipping some horses.

Wow  I did not know their were that many to be a problem. I was under the impression very few were left. Where can one go see these horses? If we can?
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: jdb on November 15, 2013, 06:42:04 PM
97
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: Natures Way on November 15, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
There are lots of them all over 97!
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: CamoDup on November 19, 2013, 10:00:48 AM
I seen wolf tracks when we went lion hunting years back, way before they were "officially" here. Wolves never left WA, they've always been here. But our WDFW has not said so, just more bs to believe..... I don't think wolves were transplanted, but they have been here all this time IMO. Now that their "endangered" though, we hunters are stuck. Not much we can do, hopefully the tribes put a hurt on them :twocents:

 :yeah: I have very similar opinions as the above post.  I have never personally seen a wolf in this area but I know of plenty of creditable people who have been around a lot longer then I, say they have witnessed a few in the cowiche and little naches units. I have also heard that the tribe has been following 7 or so up in the Satus area.  I believe there is a thread on this forum about it. 
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 19, 2013, 11:38:30 AM
If the DFW admitted to native wolves' existence, they would've had a harder time getting the wolf plan through, being that the Canadian wolves are bigger and badder and would've endangered native WA wolves. They must've all be gone, right? 8)
Title: Re: Yakima wolves?
Post by: jdigital0923 on November 19, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
 :yeah: there everywhere!!!!!
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