Post by: huntandjeep on November 07, 2013, 06:22:53 PM
Post by: calib on November 09, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
Post by: 75johndeere on November 09, 2013, 06:16:38 PM
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Post by: longrange7mm on November 09, 2013, 06:21:34 PM
Post by: CastleRocker on November 09, 2013, 06:29:37 PM
I bought my first ever Bushnell product recently, (Elite XRS 4.5-30) and it seems to be a good one. Although, I haven't wrung it out completely yet to see how well it repeats. It's my first FFP scope.
Have two Kahles, and one NF, and they seem pretty clear to me. (Still a Loopy fan though).
I'm interested as the what the really good guys use.
Post by: Nape.257 on November 09, 2013, 06:36:20 PM
Post by: TheHunt on November 09, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on November 09, 2013, 06:46:44 PM
are these your only options? i put on long range shooting competitions and can tell you some of the top scopes there, but if you are only looking at leupold and nightforce then may not help. Calib let's here your thoughts. I'm only thinking these brands cause there the ones most people use for long range hunting.
Post by: Crunchy on November 09, 2013, 06:55:03 PM
Trying to decide which scope I want. Its going on a custom hunting rifle. Looking at 1000 yards max but have questions. 1st what's the difference between the Leupold VX3 CDS and the Leupold VX-3LR? Is it just the custom turrets on the CDS? I thought Leupold can build turrets for the VX3? Was thinking of the CDS in 4.5-14×50 or the VX-3LR in 6.5-20×50. Is one better than the other? I'm REALLY thinking about a Nightforce NXS in.5-22×50 just trying to figure out if the NF is worth the extra $ for a hunting rifle? Thanks Allen.
I have the VX-3 in 4.5-14 in 40mm. Also have the CDS dial which is very accurate if you give them good load data. With my load I can dial out to 750yds which is plenty far for me. If I were to stick with Leupold I would get something with a 30mm tube over the 1inch. Also 6.5-20 with 50mm is great but limits close range shooting.
Post by: huntandjeep on November 09, 2013, 07:54:29 PM
. I'm going with a 30 mm tube for sureTrying to decide which scope I want. Its going on a custom hunting rifle. Looking at 1000 yards max but have questions. 1st what's the difference between the Leupold VX3 CDS and the Leupold VX-3LR? Is it just the custom turrets on the CDS? I thought Leupold can build turrets for the VX3? Was thinking of the CDS in 4.5-14×50 or the VX-3LR in 6.5-20×50. Is one better than the other? I'm REALLY thinking about a Nightforce NXS in.5-22×50 just trying to figure out if the NF is worth the extra $ for a hunting rifle? Thanks Allen.
I have the VX-3 in 4.5-14 in 40mm. Also have the CDS dial which is very accurate if you give them good load data. With my load I can dial out to 750yds which is plenty far for me. If I were to stick with Leupold I would get something with a 30mm tube over the 1inch. Also 6.5-20 with 50mm is great but limits close range shooting.
Post by: calib on November 09, 2013, 09:56:24 PM
-obviously night force being probably the most sought after and functional, but you are gonna pay 2000+ pending what you are looking for.
-the vortex both pst and razor are probably the majority of what i see as well as what i use. The pst's are more affordable with the razor running at 2000. with the pst you can get sfp or ffp, moa or mil and zero stop and a great warranty.
-the sightron i have seen a couple and have heard they are comparable to the pst's maybe slightly better. The leupolds a mix from mark 4's to vari x 2's
Obviously the more you can spend the better scope you are going to get, not saying that kahles or ziess is better than night force, but they do have their own niche. I have not used the night force, but have looked at them and heard lots and if i could afford to outfit my guns with them then i probably would, but with a limited budget the pst is very fitting and does the job well. i have one on my 7-300 win, 243ai and looking to do one on my 260 ai. they work well hold zero and have lots of good features.
the scabbard problem, if you are going to use one is that the windage and parallax knobs stick out a lot as well as the large objective bells are so large. there are some guys out there making their own scabbards with more room and protection for the scope.
Post by: rbros on November 10, 2013, 11:05:07 AM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 10, 2013, 12:51:28 PM
I have owned most of them and leupold does the trick for me.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 10, 2013, 01:02:00 PM
Night force all the way. In our optics testing they are way better glass then vortex and are bombproof. S&B is probably the top but to much to spend on a hunting rifle.
I think the Night Force is better than the S&B When using a UNS on a gasgun. (shorter)
Post by: Hunting7mm on November 10, 2013, 01:35:45 PM
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Post by: walleye1 on November 10, 2013, 06:17:14 PM
Post by: Nape.257 on November 11, 2013, 09:07:32 AM
Your turrets and reticle should match moa/moa or mil/mil I use moa.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 02, 2013, 03:20:14 PM
Regarding your reticle "style" make sure it will allow for a shot at "your" typical engaugement distance without having to crank the knob. It is more accurate (and faster) to use the reticle than cranking the knobs
For example, say your favorite hunting round requires 5 mils to get a "deer" at 900 yards..then get a standard MLR reticle...if the round needs more than 5 mils at 900...get the MLR2. The same goes for MOA styles too.
Oh, and one more thing...add in another vote for Nightforce!! I have the 3.5-15x50 F1
Post by: bearpaw on December 02, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: b23 on December 09, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
But, there is no debate on the mechanics, toughness, and IMO the most important, the tracking/repeatability of the different scopes on the market. NF is second to none with regard to tracking and repeatability. Two things that are of vital importance for long range shooting/hunting when using dial ups. Nightforce's "toughness" is also legendary and requires no comment.
IMO, you have to first decide if you are going to be a "hold over" shooter or a "dial up" shooter. If you are only going to use the reticle and be a hold over shooter then you possibly won't get the full benefit of a NF scope and you could maybe save yourself some money by finding a scope that meets your optical needs and get it with a reticle that will allow you to make good hold over shots.
But, if you plan on shooting at longer distances with better, likely much better, consistency, it is then that you will truly appreciate your NF scope.
Post by: huntandjeep on December 09, 2013, 06:46:34 PM
Post by: b23 on December 10, 2013, 01:03:56 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 10, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
I think you will find that any of the scopes that are in the same class as NF will all weigh about the same. If it weighs a lot less than a NF, it likely isn't in the same class and or doesn't have the same intended purpose.. So because the Leupold LR's, Grey bull's Leupold, Huskamaw's, and Vortex's Razor or PST don't weigh as much as the NF there not designed for long range ? Just going by what I have heard from people that have ALL the scopes i listed. They said hands down the NF is an awesome scope but if your trying to stay with a light rifle they are heavy.
Post by: b23 on December 10, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
If I was looking to keep a rifle as light as I can, a NF scope wouldn't be what I would scope it with but if I wanted a long range rifle, I wouldn't be concerned with what the scope weighed.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 10, 2013, 09:14:02 PM
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Post by: huntandjeep on December 21, 2013, 09:26:32 AM
I was in your same boat a few years back. Price and weight factored in for me with a long range hunting rifle. Once I came up with a great load out of my Benchmark I ran the info through Zeiss's calculator and a came up with a good fit for their RZ 800 reticle that I can stretch beyond 900 yards. I saved enough money buying the Zeiss over a NF or S+B to buy a good range finder! Granted it may not be the best of the best, but it works extremely well and the complete package is easily carried up the hills. This is a hold over not a dial, but what I wanted in a hunting gun that fit my criteria.. I've looked at that Zeiss and didn't like the fact that it was a holdover. A buddy of mine has it and he doesn't like how big the the horizontal cross hair is?
Post by: elkaholic123 on December 21, 2013, 09:30:09 AM
You can put a Kenton dial on a Zeiss scope if you don't want to hold over :twocents:I was in your same boat a few years back. Price and weight factored in for me with a long range hunting rifle. Once I came up with a great load out of my Benchmark I ran the info through Zeiss's calculator and a came up with a good fit for their RZ 800 reticle that I can stretch beyond 900 yards. I saved enough money buying the Zeiss over a NF or S+B to buy a good range finder! Granted it may not be the best of the best, but it works extremely well and the complete package is easily carried up the hills. This is a hold over not a dial, but what I wanted in a hunting gun that fit my criteria.. I've looked at that Zeiss and didn't like the fact that it was a holdover. A buddy of mine has it and he doesn't like how big the the horizontal cross hair is?
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 21, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 21, 2013, 09:36:42 AM
If we comparing anything to Nightforce, the biggest name and one of the toughest scopes out there, we must use the Razor in the Vortex line. Mk4 does not compare with either imho. Would like to hear opinions from others who actually have been running them? I own both, and they both work! Heres a couple Razors on a couple 338 Edges, forground a Carlock built gun, background, a super accurate build by Travis at Rbros Rifles, site sponsor here on HuntWa! :tup:. I have a few Vortex on various rifles and love them , looked at the Razors and they are extremely nice scopes but they are heavier then NF. Was going to jump on the Huskamaw that was for sale here in the classified section but it didn't last long.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 21, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
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Post by: huntandjeep on December 21, 2013, 11:02:14 AM
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Post by: mountainman on December 21, 2013, 11:31:04 AM
Yes, definetly heavier than a Nightforce, that is the price of the larger tube. But not much different when mounted on a 16# rifle, like the ones pictured above. I do and have packed the big heavies into the Alpine and Pasayten, but now adays, I much prefers my lighter guns! Must be showing my age? LOL! :)If we comparing anything to Nightforce, the biggest name and one of the toughest scopes out there, we must use the Razor in the Vortex line. Mk4 does not compare with either imho. Would like to hear opinions from others who actually have been running them? I own both, and they both work! Heres a couple Razors on a couple 338 Edges, forground a Carlock built gun, background, a super accurate build by Travis at Rbros Rifles, site sponsor here on HuntWa! :tup:. I have a few Vortex on various rifles and love them , looked at the Razors and they are extremely nice scopes but they are heavier then NF. Was going to jump on the Huskamaw that was for sale here in the classified section but it didn't last long.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on December 21, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
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Definitely some cool optics to choose from out there. Decisions, decisions. When it come to optics the only ones I care about are the scopes I have to dial for elevation and windage. They have to be spot on and repeatable. For a basic scope you zero, set and forget. It is way less critical to me. Most optics out there will hold zero once their sighted in. Everything after that is personal preference. Weight, clarity, brand, length objective, eye relief. The list goes on forever a big game animal is going to die just the same at 200 yards with a 4x Tasco as it is with a USO or S&B with a 200 yard zero.
Some you don't care if they bounce around in the cab of the truck and others there's no way you would let them ride around in the crew cab laying on the floor. I tend to be a little rough on my stuff, not into the safe queen, keep it pristine thing. So I tend to take that into consideration when purchasing optics. I would much rather purchase a used Clean scope off the Hide than buy one new out right. I let someone else take the hit at the retailer or dealer and pick it up for .70 cents or so on the $1.00. Plus they come and go so I break even when I sell or trade them.
Post by: rbros on December 21, 2013, 04:25:30 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 21, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 21, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
The new nf shv scope will be a good option as well. Weighs a little less than the nxs and is much less money at a map price of $975.. Was on NF's site yesterday checking this one out. Definitely interested in this one now. With the MOAR reticle it would be just about perfect, wonder if it will have turrets like the NXS?
Post by: rbros on December 21, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 30, 2013, 07:24:08 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 30, 2013, 08:56:44 PM
Post by: Come Get Some on December 30, 2013, 09:14:20 PM
Its not what it costs, its getting the best you can afford! Then go out and put it to work!
Agreed. If you can afford a NF, They are clearer and have better coatings. I just purchased the ATACR 34MM tube 56MM objective. Illuminated reticle. It is amazingly clear and bright. I have Leupold and Huskemaw also. The Huskemaw scope worked very well in New Mexico. The thing I did not like is it is 1/3 Minute click. NF comes in more options. At 1000 yds the variance of a 1/3 minute click is too much error for my taste. I have used Leupold all my life and they have always done a good job. I will always put Leupold on most of my rifles. If I am building a rifle for long range the weight is not a factor. I want it. In that case it will always be a Nf for me.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 01, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
My gunsmith said Leupold 4.5x15 (?)x50 mm Boone % Crockett reticle.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 01, 2014, 06:21:45 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on January 01, 2014, 08:25:02 PM
NOT long distance shooting, out to 8-900 yards for $500 ?isn't 8-900 yards long distance shooting?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 02, 2014, 11:24:51 AM
NOT long distance shooting, out to 8-900 yards for $500 ?isn't 8-900 yards long distance shooting?
I've shot farther with my 308....... :chuckle:
Post by: Come Get Some on January 02, 2014, 08:09:40 PM
Is a really good scope not a very good idea?? :chuckle:
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 08, 2014, 06:01:44 PM
If you are only going to hunt with it, dont worry about getting the High Speed turrets or a Zero Stop. Those features come into play when you shoot comps and are doping your scope constantly and quickly. Also, I've never paid more than $1500 for my Nightforce scopes. CHeck out Longrangehunting.com or snipershide.com under the classifieds sections, people sell them all the time in great condition. With a fully lifetime transferrable warranty, you are good to go.
As far as the .300 RUM out to 900 yards, I would buy the same scope as above, or a more compact and "hunting friendly" option of the 2.5-10x32mm Nightforce with the NPR-1 reticle.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 08, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
Get a NF. Its all i run for a reason. Superior durability, tracking, reticles, features, glass quality, and warranty. Personally, I prefer the 5.5-22x56mm's with a NPR-1 reticle. WHile Vortex and Leupold make good scopes too, the NF reticles are much thinner and don't block your point of aim at longer distances. I shoot my .338 Edge out to 1,850 yards at 22x without any issues.
If you are only going to hunt with it, dont worry about getting the High Speed turrets or a Zero Stop. Those features come into play when you shoot comps and are doping your scope constantly and quickly. Also, I've never paid more than $1500 for my Nightforce scopes. CHeck out Longrangehunting.com or snipershide.com under the classifieds sections, people sell them all the time in great condition. With a fully lifetime transferrable warranty, you are good to go.
As far as the .300 RUM out to 900 yards, I would buy the same scope as above, or a more compact and "hunting friendly" option of the 2.5-10x32mm Nightforce with the NPR-1 reticle.
$500 range. I can't afford and wouldn't spend that type on money on a scope for a gun you might shoot at an elk maybe once a year. Not cost effective to me.
I'd love to have one, but too much money..
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 08, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
Get a NF. Its all i run for a reason. Superior durability, tracking, reticles, features, glass quality, and warranty. Personally, I prefer the 5.5-22x56mm's with a NPR-1 reticle. WHile Vortex and Leupold make good scopes too, the NF reticles are much thinner and don't block your point of aim at longer distances. I shoot my .338 Edge out to 1,850 yards at 22x without any issues.
If you are only going to hunt with it, dont worry about getting the High Speed turrets or a Zero Stop. Those features come into play when you shoot comps and are doping your scope constantly and quickly. Also, I've never paid more than $1500 for my Nightforce scopes. CHeck out Longrangehunting.com or snipershide.com under the classifieds sections, people sell them all the time in great condition. With a fully lifetime transferrable warranty, you are good to go.
As far as the .300 RUM out to 900 yards, I would buy the same scope as above, or a more compact and "hunting friendly" option of the 2.5-10x32mm Nightforce with the NPR-1 reticle.
$500 range. I can't afford and wouldn't spend that type on money on a scope for a gun you might shoot at an elk maybe once a year. Not cost effective to me.
I'd love to have one, but too much money..
Sorry, in that case I'd buy something with a good warranty. That .300 RUM can do a number to a scope's ability to function :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 08, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
Get a NF. Its all i run for a reason. Superior durability, tracking, reticles, features, glass quality, and warranty. Personally, I prefer the 5.5-22x56mm's with a NPR-1 reticle. WHile Vortex and Leupold make good scopes too, the NF reticles are much thinner and don't block your point of aim at longer distances. I shoot my .338 Edge out to 1,850 yards at 22x without any issues.
If you are only going to hunt with it, dont worry about getting the High Speed turrets or a Zero Stop. Those features come into play when you shoot comps and are doping your scope constantly and quickly. Also, I've never paid more than $1500 for my Nightforce scopes. CHeck out Longrangehunting.com or snipershide.com under the classifieds sections, people sell them all the time in great condition. With a fully lifetime transferrable warranty, you are good to go.
As far as the .300 RUM out to 900 yards, I would buy the same scope as above, or a more compact and "hunting friendly" option of the 2.5-10x32mm Nightforce with the NPR-1 reticle.
$500 range. I can't afford and wouldn't spend that type on money on a scope for a gun you might shoot at an elk maybe once a year. Not cost effective to me.
I'd love to have one, but too much money..
Sorry, in that case I'd buy something with a good warranty. That .300 RUM can do a number to a scope's ability to function :twocents:
Leupold or a Vortex is what I'm going to get. Just have to figure out which one. I appreciate all the ideas..................
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 09, 2014, 11:03:13 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on January 09, 2014, 12:05:32 PM
Look for a used Vortex Viper PST on one of the forums.. Or a Viper HS. I looked at PST and the reticle was to "busy" for me.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 09, 2014, 12:43:00 PM
I am not a die-hard long range guy, but I shoot out to 800 yards with my Rem 700 7mm mag with a Leupy VXIII with the CDS dial. That's where my CDS dial maxes out.
I have buddies that run NFs on a variety of rifles and shoot out to 2,000 yards. Seems like the Night Force is worth the money if you are 1. Shooting past 1,000 yds 2. Going to run it over with your pickup.
In my humble, somewhat uninformed opinion, I would go with the Leupy and save a few bucks unless you think you might "get into this as a sport" and start shooting past 1,000 yards regularly. :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 09, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
You said in your original post that you were going to "top out" at 1,000 yards. I notice that most people recommending the NF are talking about shooting over 1,000.
I am not a die-hard long range guy, but I shoot out to 800 yards with my Rem 700 7mm mag with a Leupy VXIII with the CDS dial. That's where my CDS dial maxes out.
I have buddies that run NFs on a variety of rifles and shoot out to 2,000 yards. Seems like the Night Force is worth the money if you are 1. Shooting past 1,000 yds 2. Going to run it over with your pickup.
In my humble, somewhat uninformed opinion, I would go with the Leupy and save a few bucks unless you think you might "get into this as a sport" and start shooting past 1,000 yards regularly. :twocents:
I started shooting steel 2 years ago. I bought an off the shelf Savage Model 10 LE 308 with accutrigger only. I put on a Millett 4x16x50 Tactical scope on it, $375 scope. It shoots 900 yards all day long and actually hits the steel. Nobody in our group out of 18 plus guys uses a Nightforce or high dollar optics. They use $100 scopes up to maybe a $5-$600 scopes. There are Detectives, Border Patrol, US Customs, Navy Seals etc that shoot. These guys are the true hot and heavy Iraq contractor type guys, latest type of equipment guys I know and they still don't use NF. Maybe by choice or out of being married ( :chuckle: ).
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9x50, $250 scope on it and it hits steel at 900 yards just using the elevation marks on it. When my gunsmith finished putting on a muzzlebrake he said, try it out at the 400 yard steel plate, I said no, I'll try for the 900 yard plate. I compensated in my head, squeezed the trigger and hit the steel. He said. you just hit the steel ?, of course was my answer. I did it 2 times.
You know what, I think I just answered my own question.............. :chuckle: Thanks for all the advice fellas.
Post by: yorketransport on January 09, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9x50, $250 scope on it and it hits steel at 900 yards just using the elevation marks on it. When my gunsmith finished putting on a muzzlebrake he said, try it out at the 400 yard steel plate, I said no, I'll try for the 900 yard plate. I compensated in my head, squeezed the trigger and hit the steel. He said. you just hit the steel ?, of course was my answer. I did it 2 times.
You know what, I think I just answered my own question.............. :chuckle: Thanks for all the advice fellas.
Thats funny, my guilty pleasure scope is the Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40. :chuckle: It's not fancy, but I've never missed a shot because of it.
Andrew
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 10, 2014, 07:15:11 AM
Post by: Come Get Some on January 10, 2014, 07:54:26 AM
You said in your original post that you were going to "top out" at 1,000 yards. I notice that most people recommending the NF are talking about shooting over 1,000.
I am not a die-hard long range guy, but I shoot out to 800 yards with my Rem 700 7mm mag with a Leupy VXIII with the CDS dial. That's where my CDS dial maxes out.
I have buddies that run NFs on a variety of rifles and shoot out to 2,000 yards. Seems like the Night Force is worth the money if you are 1. Shooting past 1,000 yds 2. Going to run it over with your pickup.
In my humble, somewhat uninformed opinion, I would go with the Leupy and save a few bucks unless you think you might "get into this as a sport" and start shooting past 1,000 yards regularly. :twocents:
Mabe in a controlled bench situation these options would be ok. Consider paying for out of state tags or waiting to accumulate 10-12 bonus points, gather all of the gear,food,fuel and camping equipment. If you plan on shooting a long ways do you want to count on a scope that has poor low light transmissions or may fog up or is not as clear as you may wish for the one chance you may get at early or late light shooting situations. NOT ME.
I took a buddy with me on my horses one day. He was braging about his Bushnell PRO GUIDE TROPHY MODEL SCOPE that only cost him $399.00 He said it is what all the guides use. (he bought the sales pitch) I spotted a deer at about 400 yds.It was late in the day, Overcast conditions, I was not only looking at it with my scope,counting points and measuring eyguard length, when he says" Where is it, I can not see it. I handed him my gun. He took a look and gasped. Looked at the scope,put the crosshair on the deer and pulled the trigger. I asked him "how did you super good trophy guide model work for you???
I started shooting steel 2 years ago. I bought an off the shelf Savage Model 10 LE 308 with accutrigger only. I put on a Millett 4x16x50 Tactical scope on it, $375 scope. It shoots 900 yards all day long and actually hits the steel. Nobody in our group out of 18 plus guys uses a Nightforce or high dollar optics. They use $100 scopes up to maybe a $5-$600 scopes. There are Detectives, Border Patrol, US Customs, Navy Seals etc that shoot. These guys are the true hot and heavy Iraq contractor type guys, latest type of equipment guys I know and they still don't use NF. Maybe by choice or out of being married ( :chuckle: ).
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9x50, $250 scope on it and it hits steel at 900 yards just using the elevation marks on it. When my gunsmith finished putting on a muzzlebrake he said, try it out at the 400 yard steel plate, I said no, I'll try for the 900 yard plate. I compensated in my head, squeezed the trigger and hit the steel. He said. you just hit the steel ?, of course was my answer. I did it 2 times.
You know what, I think I just answered my own question.............. :chuckle: Thanks for all the advice fellas.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 18, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
I'm going to have to look through the Vortex scopes tomorrow. 80% of my scopes are Pentax and have had zero issues.
Pentax makes some great spotting scopes.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 19, 2014, 06:25:25 AM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 20, 2014, 04:27:34 PM
Its not what it costs, its getting the best you can afford! Then go out and put it to work!
this^^^
I have an OA 243WSSM. When I started playing with it, I picked up a Nikon ProStaff 4-12x40 BDC. Played with some Hand loads and got it dialed in. The BDC scopes can be made to work, and if you know how to use them (you really do need the APP, and accurate environmental information) you will make some impressive shots that the hoyty toyty NF, S&B, USO crowd will scoff at. (Yes I have a NF Scope)
Now I really cant compare my Nikon to my Nightforce...it's not a fair comparison. The glass used in the ProStaff is not even in the same league as the glass in the NF.
But, for a budget beater, it will get my 243WSSM to 1000 yards...I just have to drop it to 5x and aim off the top of the bottom post, where the NF on my 270, I just reference my notes, and crank in (usually something like 7.4 mils) and send it.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2014, 08:22:45 AM
Its not what it costs, its getting the best you can afford! Then go out and put it to work!
Agreed. If you can afford a NF, They are clearer and have better coatings. I just purchased the ATACR 34MM tube 56MM objective. Illuminated reticle. It is amazingly clear and bright. I have Leupold and Huskemaw also. The Huskemaw scope worked very well in New Mexico. The thing I did not like is it is 1/3 Minute click. NF comes in more options. At 1000 yds the variance of a 1/3 minute click is too much error for my taste. I have used Leupold all my life and they have always done a good job. I will always put Leupold on most of my rifles. If I am building a rifle for long range the weight is not a factor. I want it. In that case it will always be a Nf for me.
can you please explain your reasoning for "percieved error" between 0.1 mil and .25MOA??
I read this a lot, and well, it does not make sence. This is why.
Take for instance a solution for a 1000 Yard shot this last weekend.
Actual drop is 265.13 inches with a 200 yard zero.
Solution for cranking the turrets are 7.4 mils, or 25.32 MOA.
7.4 mils at 1000 yards is 266.4 inches
25.32 MOA at 1000 yards is 265.1 inches, however, as we are restricted to 0.25moa increments, then you coule either truncate to 25MOA or round down to 25.25 MOA. I would round down in this case.
25.25 MOA at 1000 yards is 264.37 inches
so, as actual solution is 265.13 inches.
The difference between actual and Mil is 1.27 inches.
The difference between actual and MOA 0.76 inches.
the difference between the MIL and MOA solution is 0.51 inches at 1000 yards...with a rifle that can shoot 0.25 MOA, and add in a 2 MPH wind...there is no way you will see a half inch deviation at 1000 yards..let alone actual hunting distances.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 23, 2014, 08:32:40 AM
Post by: Come Get Some on January 23, 2014, 07:57:35 PM
Its not what it costs, its getting the best you can afford! Then go out and put it to work!
Agreed. If you can afford a NF, They are clearer and have better coatings. I just purchased the ATACR 34MM tube 56MM objective. Illuminated reticle. It is amazingly clear and bright. I have Leupold and Huskemaw also. The Huskemaw scope worked very well in New Mexico. The thing I did not like is it is 1/3 Minute click. NF comes in more options. At 1000 yds the variance of a 1/3 minute click is too much error for my taste. I have used Leupold all my life and they have always done a good job. I will always put Leupold on most of my rifles. If I am building a rifle for long range the weight is not a factor. I want it. In that case it will always be a Nf for me.
can you please explain your reasoning for "percieved error" between 0.1 mil and .25MOA??
I read this a lot, and well, it does not make sence. This is why.
Take for instance a solution for a 1000 Yard shot this last weekend.
Actual drop is 265.13 inches with a 200 yard zero.
Solution for cranking the turrets are 7.4 mils, or 25.32 MOA.
7.4 mils at 1000 yards is 266.4 inches
25.32 MOA at 1000 yards is 265.1 inches, however, as we are restricted to 0.25moa increments, then you coule either truncate to 25MOA or round down to 25.25 MOA. I would round down in this case.
25.25 MOA at 1000 yards is 264.37 inches
so, as actual solution is 265.13 inches.
The difference between actual and Mil is 1.27 inches.
The difference between actual and MOA 0.76 inches.
the difference between the MIL and MOA solution is 0.51 inches at 1000 yards...with a rifle that can shoot 0.25 MOA, and add in a 2 MPH wind...there is no way you will see a half inch deviation at 1000 yards..let alone actual hunting distances.
Finally ,someone that understands. I wondering if anyone would make the connection of very little difference between 1/3 MOa and .25 MOA. My hat is off to you. Very well done. I do know the difference between 2.5" and 3.3 inches at 1000 yds. Not enough to EVER worry about especially for hunting.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 24, 2014, 08:28:38 AM
Oh and the new nf scope is called a svh I think. Has 100 Moa vertical travel and 70 Windage. Has capped turrets and no zero stop.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 24, 2014, 11:04:24 AM
I think March has 0.05mil clicks on some of their scopes
Post by: high country on February 01, 2014, 02:51:29 PM
Heres some over the shoulder shooting steel. 8"X12" steel, 1500 yards..routine...Razor makes it easy! ;)
what correction factor did that vortex work out to?