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Title: Sickening snagging salmon video
Post by: duckmen1 on November 07, 2013, 10:44:57 PM: Chum Snag Fest October 2013. You tube
If you can find and post the link please do.
This is so wrong
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Post by: X-Force on November 07, 2013, 10:54:11 PM: man that pisses me off.
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Post by: duckmen1 on November 07, 2013, 10:56:59 PM: The sad thing is I watch people do this every time I go there for chums. I did not video this myself but with what I see it is no different. Every trip we find absolutely giant treble hooks with lead attached. Even found one yesterday and saw the same thing going on.
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Post by: kenzmad on November 07, 2013, 10:58:34 PM: This it?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4G1R84swgU (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4G1R84swgU)
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Post by: duckmen1 on November 07, 2013, 10:58:49 PM: It no wonder our salmon runs will suffer more and more each year. Watched a native on the other side of the river do this two trips ago and wiped the hole clean and everyone left.
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Post by: duckmen1 on November 07, 2013, 11:01:07 PM: Thanks I want the word spread. And this is the way to do it. Now if the department would just do something about it with ought closing the river. I notice when they try and close something it just gets worse and the good fishermen are out a area because these jerks.
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Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2013, 11:31:33 PM: That is a young man that was not raised with respect......for anything!
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Post by: Disturbed1 on November 07, 2013, 11:53:58 PM: Looks like Skoke "jigging" to me....that's why I quit fishing that sewer a few years ago >:(
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Post by: sumbeech66 on November 08, 2013, 12:13:01 AM: I don't understand anything in that video. ??? :bash:

In a place you can keep them? Throw them in the ditch? snagging? nobody confronting him?

That kid needs a dad who'll thump him one time with that stick!
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Post by: stevemiller on November 08, 2013, 01:03:29 AM: I dont have the words for this one.
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Post by: PolarBear on November 08, 2013, 01:08:03 AM: Typical Skok tribal "fisherman"! I really sure that is the Skok. I would love to dee that treble hook become lodged in that punk's forehead!
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Post by: h20hunter on November 08, 2013, 05:10:31 AM: Purple shirt behind him was doing the same thing.
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 08, 2013, 05:31:08 AM: Couple things....for one I would of rather him being filming the red head standing besides the punk :dunno: :chuckle: Secondly there is no way I could have stood there and watched this little BEEP BEEP Continuing to do that without him taking a swim ....Tribal or not ....Grrrrrrrrrr Total BS !
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Post by: billythekidrock on November 08, 2013, 05:42:51 AM: Chum Snag Fest October 2013. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4G1R84swgU#ws)
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Post by: sirmissalot on November 08, 2013, 05:58:00 AM: The only thing surprising to me about this video is the salmon in the ditch. The snagging is completely normal on the skoke. It's also normal to just open the bellies of the chum and take the eggs, then leave the rest to rot. I assume that's what is going to happen to the ditch full of salmon. I don't know if that's the skoke or not I don't recognize that spot but I haven't fished it for probably 8 years.
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 08, 2013, 06:07:50 AM: This just kills me .. Here you have a little river where the fish are stacked up like cord wood and no one else is catching sheet ..then here comes the little indian kid who cleans out the hole :bash: :bash: :bash: >:( What bothers me more is they close down rivers like the Skagit which is a Big river because they are worried about us catching to many fish then you have something like this where White people are trying their best to catch one fish and here is this little sheet just jerking away ...Not right and I would not be there watching this without blowing a fuse ! The whole tribal issue is seriously getting on my damn nerves !
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Post by: Nailed it on November 08, 2013, 06:53:25 AM: He sure isn't a very good snagger, nor can he run a billy club
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Post by: YoterHunter on November 08, 2013, 09:44:59 AM: Don't you guys know that in 1855 there ansesters had Fiberglas pole monofilament fishing line and waited treble hooks. :stup:
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Post by: Button Nubbs on November 08, 2013, 09:45:15 AM: Fighting snagger salmon SUCKS! I get much more thrill out of feeling the head shake than a tail wag. If I accidently stick one other than in the mouth I break it off. This kid is an idiot and has some issues if he has to club that fish 37 times. One solid thump takes care of it usually. Serial killer in the making...
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Post by: deltaops on November 08, 2013, 09:56:31 AM: Frustrating to see! I hope when I am with my boys fishing the rivers, we never see this. :bash:
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Post by: vandeman17 on November 08, 2013, 10:02:30 AM: Sucks that someone couldn't accidentally knock his sorry behind into the river and the pitch out a nice fat treble to try and save him from drowning. See how he feels.
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Post by: h20hunter on November 08, 2013, 10:07:43 AM: I hope this makes Komo just like the video of the deer vs oar debackle. Shamefull behaviour.
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Post by: lostbackpacker on November 08, 2013, 10:10:51 AM: 12 blows with the stick to kill it. poor guy obviously doesnt know what he is doing at all.
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Post by: duckmen1 on November 08, 2013, 10:12:21 AM: That would be nice if it went to the news. But you know the news. Fisherman breaks the law. Shut it down. Pretty typical and not get the true point across.
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Post by: vandeman17 on November 08, 2013, 10:16:31 AM: Quote from: duckmen1 on November 08, 2013, 10:12:21 AM
That would be nice if it went to the news. But you know the news. Fisherman breaks the law. Shut it down. Pretty typical and not get the true point across.

Sad but true!
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Post by: Buckmania on November 08, 2013, 10:18:45 AM: the salmon aren't just left in the ditch are they? It's just a temporary holding "pond" right????
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Post by: D-Rock425 on November 08, 2013, 10:19:56 AM: The guys probably just trying to bring some food home for his family give him a break. After all they were here first.
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Post by: DRobnsn on November 08, 2013, 10:22:05 AM: Quote from: vandeman17 on November 08, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Sucks that someone couldn't accidentally knock his sorry behind into the river and the pitch out a nice fat treble to try and save him from drowning. See how he feels.

I agree, its time for good ol fashioned a$$ stompin to make a come back. I doubt he would have gotten away with this 20 years ago. No criminals or so called minority have any fear anymore, they just do as they please while the rest have to stand by and watch in fear of getting jailed for attempted murder or some other bogus charge for kicking some pukes rear end.
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Post by: vandeman17 on November 08, 2013, 10:23:23 AM: Quote from: DRobnsn on November 08, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: vandeman17 on November 08, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
Sucks that someone couldn't accidentally knock his sorry behind into the river and the pitch out a nice fat treble to try and save him from drowning. See how he feels.

I agree, its time for good ol fashioned a$$ stompin to make a come back. I doubt he would have gotten away with this 20 years ago. No criminals or so called minority have any fear anymore, they just do as they please while the rest have to stand by and watch in fear of getting jailed for attempted murder or some other bogus charge for kicking some pukes rear end.

Yep, non white person gets butt kicked=hate crime. White person gets butt kicked and it is just an altercation. Go figure
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Post by: sirmissalot on November 08, 2013, 10:28:26 AM: Even if it made the news I doubt anything would happen. This is nothing new. Thats how they fish down on the skoke, its been going on that way as long as I can remember. They will stand side by side with sportsfishermen and do it. I guarantee its happening as we speak.
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Post by: _TONY_ on November 08, 2013, 10:44:09 AM: That's called a "skok fly"... Treble hook wrapped in pencil lead... That kid looks like he's part of the tribe, as that's there usual and accustomed ways of fishing the skokomish...

:bash: :bash:
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Post by: WSU on November 08, 2013, 12:09:15 PM: That's no different then the non-tribal people who snag. That river is a joke and so are snaggers/flossers everywhere.
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Post by: h20hunter on November 08, 2013, 12:16:28 PM: The snagging is legal per the tribes regs. So, can't really argue the point. However, I would suggest that his treatment of the fish is not the image the tribe would like out there. No different that any other fisherman or hunter making their demographic look bad. He obviously doesn't have any respect for the fish and the care of them.
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Post by: Widgeondeke on November 08, 2013, 12:31:03 PM: Disgusting :yike: :bash:
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Post by: Becky on November 08, 2013, 12:32:58 PM: That's ridiculous, is there anyway to save videos off youtube then report it??
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Post by: gottatree on November 08, 2013, 12:51:48 PM: This goes on there all the time. :bash: :bash: The local wardens are very aware of this behavior and have cited that family on multiple times. They fight the tickets and win. The only way to get this stopped is to get the video to one of are local TV stations. I was wondering how so many fish ended up in the ditch. I always figured it was yotes and raccoons. This just pisses me off now knowing how they got over there.
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Post by: Rainier10 on November 08, 2013, 01:03:18 PM: Disappointing to see for sure. I quit fishing down there 8 years ago, I remember the tribe coming through cleaning out their nets during chum season, throwing the bucks on the shore, cutting the hens open for the eggs, throwing them on the bank and then leaving the whole pile there to rot. There was a pile 6 feet in diameter 2 feet high and 60 yards down river at the next net there was an identical pile. What a waste.
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Post by: wafisherman on November 08, 2013, 03:40:09 PM: The kid is just doing what he was taught. I'd throw in the grandpa and other adults who taught him and kept getting him the net.

The one time i fished hoodsport we saw the same thing. Instead of a ditch full of stripped out salmon, we had the bottom of the bay covered in a thick layer of egg stripped carcasses.

You can see he checks each for eggs before tossing them. You'd think if he had half a brain, he'd be able to spot the bucks from the hens right away and at least toss back the bucks before applying the wood shampoo.

The thing that frustrates me is that chum and humpies are the easiest of the salmon to catch on a rod and real without having to resort to flossing \ snagging techniques. But that takes skill and work and patience and respect - OK, now I see why they don't bother...
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Post by: PolarBear on November 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM: At least they were only chums. I can't believe that with all those other fishermen that nobody was giving him crap.
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Post by: Bullkllr on November 08, 2013, 06:09:03 PM: Quote from: h20hunter on November 08, 2013, 12:16:28 PM
The snagging is legal per the tribes regs. So, can't really argue the point. However, I would suggest that his treatment of the fish is not the image the tribe would like out there. No different that any other fisherman or hunter making their demographic look bad. He obviously doesn't have any respect for the fish and the care of them.

:yeah: Have we confirmed that the fish in the ditch are wasted?... I know that's the obvious conclusion.
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Post by: h20hunter on November 08, 2013, 06:10:17 PM: Nope but they look discarded to me.
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Post by: sirmissalot on November 08, 2013, 07:54:17 PM: They only use chums for the eggs. They have basically no other value, although catfood would be better than leaving them to rot in a ditch
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Post by: TheHunt on November 09, 2013, 07:00:15 PM: What river is that?
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Post by: johnr060 on November 09, 2013, 07:16:02 PM: That is the skok for sure. Absolutley disturbing. They have no respect for the fish or game they harvest. :bash:
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Post by: Tman on November 09, 2013, 07:22:01 PM: Quote from: PolarBear on November 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
At least they were only chums. I can't believe that with all those other fishermen that nobody was giving him crap.

Ive seen the skoks treat silvers and kings the same way many times. Disgusting ethics in that group, their ancestors are probably rolling in their graves.
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Post by: duckmen1 on November 09, 2013, 07:27:24 PM: Seen it with the kings to. Snag and throw them deep into blackberry bushes and repeat. Crazy to see such bright beautiful kings wasted.
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Post by: Hawgdawg on November 09, 2013, 07:35:24 PM: Quote from: Tman on November 09, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
Quote from: PolarBear on November 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
At least they were only chums. I can't believe that with all those other fishermen that nobody was giving him crap.

Ive seen the skoks treat silvers and kings the same way many times. Disgusting ethics in that group, their ancestors are probably rolling in their graves.

That or playing the slot machines. But let's be fair. I have seen every ethnic group snag. What I DON'T like is watching the game dept. let them snag at Redondo on the beach in droves as they go out and hit the sportsman's boats for safety checks.
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Post by: Tman on November 09, 2013, 07:45:28 PM: Has nothing to do with "ethnic groups". I have the utmost respect for the way many tribes conduct themselves. The skokomish however, do not conduct themselves in a responsible way with fish and wild life. The snagging isnt what bothers me, the wastage is the problem here if you happened to miss that.

I dont condone snagging, but am alot more acceptive of that behavior than this reckless wastage.

Most native tribes would also speak out about this sort of behavior as well.
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Post by: PolarBear on November 09, 2013, 07:55:45 PM: Quote from: Tman on November 09, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
Quote from: PolarBear on November 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
At least they were only chums. I can't believe that with all those other fishermen that nobody was giving him crap.

Ive seen the skoks treat silvers and kings the same way many times. Disgusting ethics in that group, their ancestors are probably rolling in their graves.
Yeah, I grew up in Shelton knowing quite a few of the Skoks and fishing that river. Things never change. Far too many in that tribe have zero respect for fish, wildlife or other humans.
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Post by: MLBowhunting on November 09, 2013, 08:12:46 PM: wow that is horrible. :bash: :bash:
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Post by: h2ofowlr on November 09, 2013, 08:13:27 PM: What river is this? Some serious snagging.
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Post by: PolarBear on November 09, 2013, 08:17:11 PM: Skokomish in Mason County
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Post by: elkfins on November 10, 2013, 09:42:23 AM: wow... what a disgusting puke.
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Post by: GEARHEAD on November 10, 2013, 07:22:39 PM: seems i have seen that video a year ago, or maybe, its just the same kid in another video from 2012. you would be surprised how many poaching/snagging vids are on you tube.
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Post by: PNW_Hunter on November 10, 2013, 10:28:55 PM: while were on the topic of snagging... I stumbled onto this "gem" while watching youtube tonight... Alaska Salmon Snagging Caught on Tape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOKvXO9O1ok#)
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Post by: Gringo31 on November 12, 2013, 12:33:40 PM: Prime example of why there is tension between the tribe and us non-tribal folks. Speaking for myself, I feel I contribute to our natural resources and enjoy part of the harvest. I pay with my $$$, work on predator control, understand habitat, work to improve it etc. It makes it hard to see any group of people who seem to only be looking to TAKE and not give. Also makes it tough when it APPEARS that rule breakers aren't dealt with within the tribe.

Understand that I'm not saying ALL. But I agree with many on here that this is no rare event. Fish and game in this state aren't valued per critter. They are valued dependant on who takes them home.....and that has to do with your genetic makeup.

Sigh.......I suppose it is what it is and "nothing to see here" is where it all ends up. Makes it tougher when we don't report things because we assume they belong to a tribe.

It's a mess...
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Post by: Olyolson on November 12, 2013, 05:27:30 PM: Make the perps swallow 'em whole
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Post by: Button Nubbs on November 12, 2013, 05:34:16 PM: on the whole "tribal" thing, i'd bet a paycheck for every tribal snagger there are at least 5 non-tribal "fisherman" doing the same thing. :twocents: is snagging any different when doing it with "legal gear?" 95% of the non-tribal people who fish the skok king run are snaggers. in case some of you didn't know kings rarely eat corkies and yarn. (yes I know those are chums and will eat c&y, just making an example)
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Post by: Jonathan_S on November 12, 2013, 05:41:16 PM: Quote from: Button Nubbs on November 12, 2013, 05:34:16 PM
on the whole "tribal" thing, i'd bet a paycheck for every tribal snagger there are at least 5 non-tribal "fisherman" doing the same thing. :twocents: is snagging any different when doing it with "legal gear?" 95% of the non-tribal people who fish the skok king run are snaggers. in case some of you didn't know kings rarely eat corkies and yarn. (yes I know those are chums and will eat c&y, just making an example)

Okay but are they filling a ditch up with fish?
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Post by: Button Nubbs on November 12, 2013, 06:07:24 PM: Quote from: Jonathan_S on November 12, 2013, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Button Nubbs on November 12, 2013, 05:34:16 PM
on the whole "tribal" thing, i'd bet a paycheck for every tribal snagger there are at least 5 non-tribal "fisherman" doing the same thing. :twocents: is snagging any different when doing it with "legal gear?" 95% of the non-tribal people who fish the skok king run are snaggers. in case some of you didn't know kings rarely eat corkies and yarn. (yes I know those are chums and will eat c&y, just making an example)

Okay but are they filling a ditch up with fish?
I'd bet some are.
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Post by: Gringo31 on November 12, 2013, 06:48:38 PM: That's the point! Because we get used to tribal guys having different rules, we get used to people doing it. It's not like they (but not a bad idea) have to wear a tribal issued vest :)
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Post by: Button Nubbs on November 12, 2013, 06:57:45 PM: Quote from: Gringo31 on November 12, 2013, 06:48:38 PM
That's the point! Because we get used to tribal guys having different rules, we get used to people doing it. It's not like they (but not a bad idea) have to wear a tribal issued vest :)
disagree.
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Post by: eggster on November 16, 2013, 11:11:38 AM: The truly sad thing is that the kids doing what he was shown to do. What a waste, of fish and a person. Do you think the muckleshoots will club the deer and elk in the white river tree farm like this now that they own it ?.dont forget to stop by your local casino on the way home for some of there excellent buffet......another thing ill never understand is how someone can set foot in one of those places.
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Post by: DRobnsn on November 16, 2013, 11:22:05 AM: Quote from: eggster on November 16, 2013, 11:11:38 AM
The truly sad thing is that the kids doing what he was shown to do. What a waste, of fish and a person. Do you think the muckleshoots will club the deer and elk in the white river tree farm like this now that they own it ?.dont forget to stop by your local casino on the way home for some of there excellent buffet......another thing ill never understand is how someone can set foot in one of those places.

Same here, those casino's don't get a dime out of me.
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Post by: RadSav on November 16, 2013, 11:23:58 AM: Maurice Sporting Goods use to sell a bunch of snagging gear up in Alaska for their snagging season. Game department actually produced a pamphlet on how to become a "Master Snagger". It is a very popular fishery up there. Or at least use to be when I was in the industry.