Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 20, 2013, 07:58:21 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2013, 08:46:40 AM
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Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 20, 2013, 09:15:42 AM
Some use it for target (Archery) and some use it to add weight in back of truck for slick roads, some spread it under tent for cushion/insulation...
Now if it were apples...
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 20, 2013, 09:18:47 AM
Post by: seth30 on November 20, 2013, 09:20:14 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 20, 2013, 09:20:37 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 20, 2013, 09:33:31 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
Post by: stryker on November 20, 2013, 09:39:54 AM
Personally, I think baiting and using attractants of any kind all fall into the same basket. :twocents:
Post by: pd on November 20, 2013, 09:50:52 AM
I spent the entire summer and early fall of 2013 lugging hundreds of pounds of apples deep into the woods (all on bicycle, several miles back), to place in front of my game cameras. My daughter and I always downloaded the pictures with great anticipation, to see what critters had come to the feast. We were surprised that the previous drop of apples were never completely eaten when we came to refresh them. Only after the season did we learn the reason why: Our cameras are very deep in the mountains, far from any agricultural sites. The animals there have never seen apples before; thus, they never touched our camera bait.
I learned this from a knowledgeable and kind gentleman, who told me that he once dropped a bale of alfalfa in the same area for elk, only to discover that the elk wouldn't touch the bailed green stuff.
The lesson here is this: Bring whatever bait you like (it is all legal, except if your quarry is cougar or bear), just make sure that they are familiar with your offerings. Otherwise, you are waisting your time.
By the way, when I went to my super-secret spot during general elk season this year, the last round of apples were still there, perfectly frozen. :bash:
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 20, 2013, 10:18:17 AM
Personally, I think baiting and using attractants of any kind all fall into the same basket. :twocents:
Attractant is defined as a substance or agent that attracts other insects or animals.
So using a scrape scent to lure a mountain whitetail into bow range is the same to you as dumping a truck bed of apple flavored corn and in a private hayfield with a heated treehouse? :o
Here's how I deer hunt now, I find a deer that I want and I do what works to get that deer. Now I'm not claiming to be an expert on this strategy but it is how I head into the woods June-Sep/Dec :tup:
I've got only ten acres for my wife to hunt in a private land GMU. Should I have her still hunt it? :dunno:
By the way, that is how "baiting and using attractants" came to be more mainstream. Back east when every piece of land got broken up into little parcels, they couldn't do long drives every year and hunt deer with their hounds so they adapted. Still hunting through swamps isn't as fun or productive as it may sound.
So I agree with you, I also think baiting and using attractants are one-in-the-same...because I think the legal killing of deer is an admirable pursuit and whether I am still hunting, spot-and-stalking, or sitting in a bush waiting for a buck to show up and have a nibble of alfalfa, I will see other hunters and their differing styles and wish them well.
Post by: deltaops on November 20, 2013, 11:18:20 AM
Now next year I will start putting out some mineral licks and a cam to see if I can get something to stop in a say hello! :tup:
Post by: DoubleJ on November 20, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 20, 2013, 11:56:30 AM
Post by: deaner on November 20, 2013, 01:24:51 PM
Here is something that I learned this year: Make sure that your bait makes culinary sense to the targeted animals!
I spent the entire summer and early fall of 2013 lugging hundreds of pounds of apples deep into the woods (all on bicycle, several miles back), to place in front of my game cameras. My daughter and I always downloaded the pictures with great anticipation, to see what critters had come to the feast. We were surprised that the previous drop of apples were never completely eaten when we came to refresh them. Only after the season did we learn the reason why: Our cameras are very deep in the mountains, far from any agricultural sites. The animals there have never seen apples before; thus, they never touched our camera bait.
I learned this from a knowledgeable and kind gentleman, who told me that he once dropped a bale of alfalfa in the same area for elk, only to discover that the elk wouldn't touch the bailed green stuff.
The lesson here is this: Bring whatever bait you like (it is all legal, except if your quarry is cougar or bear), just make sure that they are familiar with your offerings. Otherwise, you are waisting your time.
By the way, when I went to my super-secret spot during general elk season this year, the last round of apples were still there, perfectly frozen. :bash:
its all legal except for cougar or bear? if youre going to tell people what the laws are make sure you know them yourself. baiting cougar is perfectly legal. its all legal except bear and game birds
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 20, 2013, 01:26:17 PM
I do put out hay for my camera. Others have hunted over it, but I don't get too excited about it.
I wish I knew where this was :chuckle:
Post by: MuleySniper on November 20, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Post by: deltaops on November 20, 2013, 04:22:36 PM
It is legal. What are the people against it trying to achieve?? Another hunting right taken away?? Guess it is way more fair shooting animals 500+ yards away with a $5000.00 rifle. :dunno:
Take baiting away and maybe more people would turn to road hunting. :dunno:
Post by: netcoyote on November 20, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on November 20, 2013, 05:01:40 PM
I do not understand why so many at this site care so much what other people do.
It is so much more so "we eat our own."
It's to bad.
:police:
Post by: turkeyfeather on November 20, 2013, 05:04:33 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on November 20, 2013, 05:22:52 PM
Post by: pd on November 20, 2013, 05:25:39 PM
Here is something that I learned this year: Make sure that your bait makes culinary sense to the targeted animals!
I spent the entire summer and early fall of 2013 lugging hundreds of pounds of apples deep into the woods (all on bicycle, several miles back), to place in front of my game cameras. My daughter and I always downloaded the pictures with great anticipation, to see what critters had come to the feast. We were surprised that the previous drop of apples were never completely eaten when we came to refresh them. Only after the season did we learn the reason why: Our cameras are very deep in the mountains, far from any agricultural sites. The animals there have never seen apples before; thus, they never touched our camera bait.
I learned this from a knowledgeable and kind gentleman, who told me that he once dropped a bale of alfalfa in the same area for elk, only to discover that the elk wouldn't touch the bailed green stuff.
The lesson here is this: Bring whatever bait you like (it is all legal, except if your quarry is cougar or bear), just make sure that they are familiar with your offerings. Otherwise, you are waisting your time.
By the way, when I went to my super-secret spot during general elk season this year, the last round of apples were still there, perfectly frozen. :bash:
its all legal except for cougar or bear? if youre going to tell people what the laws are make sure you know them yourself. baiting cougar is perfectly legal. its all legal except bear and game birds
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 20, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
So I have been sitting in my office watching hunters head to the woods (Pend Orielle County) and my (very) anecdotal survey looks like about 30% of the obvious hunting vehicles have hay on them? I know there are bait pile all over the place along the valley, but how many guys bait higher up? How many of you guys feed/bait the deer??
I doubt they are baiting with hay. I would bet that most of it is straw for around camp.
Post by: jeepster on November 20, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Blacktail LOVE LOVE LOVE alder boughs. Works better than apples I promise. Put out some fresh cut alder branches and I promise they'll be stripped clean the next day. Is it baiting if I cut a bunch of alder boughs off of alder trees that overhang a deer trail and let the cut branches sit on the deer tail?
So...build the blind out of alder.....got it :chuckle:
Post by: DoubleJ on November 20, 2013, 07:39:24 PM
Blacktail LOVE LOVE LOVE alder boughs. Works better than apples I promise. Put out some fresh cut alder branches and I promise they'll be stripped clean the next day. Is it baiting if I cut a bunch of alder boughs off of alder trees that overhang a deer trail and let the cut branches sit on the deer tail?
So...build the blind out of alder.....got it :chuckle:
Promise that when you came back the next day all you'd have would be sticks. All the leaves would be eaten
Post by: bobcat on November 20, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
So I have been sitting in my office watching hunters head to the woods (Pend Orielle County) and my (very) anecdotal survey looks like about 30% of the obvious hunting vehicles have hay on them? I know there are bait pile all over the place along the valley, but how many guys bait higher up? How many of you guys feed/bait the deer??
I doubt they are baiting with hay. I would bet that most of it is straw for around camp.
I think alfalfa is what most people use on the eastside.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 20, 2013, 07:46:45 PM
So I have been sitting in my office watching hunters head to the woods (Pend Orielle County) and my (very) anecdotal survey looks like about 30% of the obvious hunting vehicles have hay on them? I know there are bait pile all over the place along the valley, but how many guys bait higher up? How many of you guys feed/bait the deer??
I doubt they are baiting with hay. I would bet that most of it is straw for around camp.
I think alfalfa is what most people use on the eastside.
Alfalfa in camp?
I meant straw in camp for walking or sleeping on.
Post by: bobcat on November 20, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
So I have been sitting in my office watching hunters head to the woods (Pend Orielle County) and my (very) anecdotal survey looks like about 30% of the obvious hunting vehicles have hay on them? I know there are bait pile all over the place along the valley, but how many guys bait higher up? How many of you guys feed/bait the deer??
I doubt they are baiting with hay. I would bet that most of it is straw for around camp.
I think alfalfa is what most people use on the eastside.
Alfalfa in camp?
I meant straw in camp for walking or sleeping on.
No I meant the alfalfa is what they use for bait. He said a lot of trucks have "hay" in them, which could be alfalfa hay, for bait. But then again, you're right, some of it could be just regular hay for in camp.
Post by: buckfvr on November 20, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Dont know why some of you guys do this crap every single year.......... :bash:
Post by: Seabass on November 20, 2013, 08:46:22 PM
Hay is a make up of various grasses that is used to feed livestock and some use it as bait for deer. It is alive when cut and is bailed in various forms after drying.
Alfalfa is not a grass but is also alive when cut and is bailed in various forms after drying. Also used to feed live stock and baiting deer. Many refer to it as hay because its easier to say hay than alfalfa.
Straw is often times used around camps for bedding but is NEVER fed to any animal. It contains no nutritional value and no animal (other than goats) will eat it. It is the stem or stock of barley and is dead when cut and bailed.
That should clear up the hay/alfalfa/straw debate as it pertains to this topic.
And no I'm not taking the "bait" on this one because this horse has been beaten to death.
Post by: kramman on November 20, 2013, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 20, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
I think everyone knows what alfalfa, hay, and straw are. The only question was what is it in the back of those trucks.
Let's not start another east versus west dispute. It gets really old.
Post by: Seabass on November 20, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
Post by: snowpack on November 20, 2013, 10:24:08 PM
Post by: Seabass on November 20, 2013, 10:30:38 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 20, 2013, 10:47:01 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on November 20, 2013, 10:48:46 PM
You guys feel free to start threads about whatever you want. That's what this forum is all about. If you don't like a particular topic, don't click on it.
:tup: True that!
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2013, 10:50:48 PM
Well you can definitely tell who is from the city. Do you west side city guys understand why we make fun of you from time to time?
Hay is a make up of various grasses that is used to feed livestock and some use it as bait for deer. It is alive when cut and is bailed in various forms after drying.
Alfalfa is not a grass but is also alive when cut and is bailed in various forms after drying. Also used to feed live stock and baiting deer. Many refer to it as hay because its easier to say hay than alfalfa.
Straw is often times used around camps for bedding but is NEVER fed to any animal. It contains no nutritional value and no animal (other than goats) will eat it. It is the stem or stock of barley and is dead when cut and bailed.
That should clear up the hay/alfalfa/straw debate as it pertains to this topic.
And no I'm not taking the "bait" on this one because this horse has been beaten to death.
last I checked Spokane was a city :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on November 21, 2013, 07:05:45 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on November 21, 2013, 09:11:38 AM
Worst thing about this site is everyone wants in on every one elses business........you leave me alone and I promise to leave you alone.......you want to give something away that others do within the laws, then we can turn this into a big rip and tear for everyone.............
Dont know why some of you guys do this crap every single year.......... :bash:
Sure I agree some one elses business and leave them alone as long as it legal.
But at the same time what is wrong with the opinion that deer baiting- conditions deer,spreads disease and should be regulated the same as waterfowl laws. Also people who choose not to bait find most of the deer confined near bait piles on private property. :twocents:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 21, 2013, 09:42:52 AM
Worst thing about this site is everyone wants in on every one elses business........you leave me alone and I promise to leave you alone.......you want to give something away that others do within the laws, then we can turn this into a big rip and tear for everyone.............
Dont know why some of you guys do this crap every single year.......... :bash:
Sure I agree some one elses business and leave them alone as long as it legal.
But at the same time what is wrong with the opinion that deer baiting- conditions deer,spreads disease and should be regulated the same as waterfowl laws. Also people who choose not to bait find most of the deer confined near bait piles on private property. :twocents:
Yes..bait conditions deer...to be on high alert when approaching a bait.
What scientific studies have you done here in WA that shows a problem with the spread of disease a result of baiting?
Doesn't the state feed wildlife? Are you saying the state is purposely spreading disease?
Look... I agree that if there is disease in the area it can increase the risk of spread.. but 1. There has to be a communicable disease in that area. 2. If it's highly communicable then most of the deer in that community probably have it without the bait. 3. If the probability of transmission is low then certainly bait would be a contributing factor.
If you have ever baited before then you know that the deer that come into a bait pile are deer that live in that general area (community if you will). During the rut you may have a random buck or two stop by but they would be in the area anyway looking for does..and those bucks don't generally stick around just because of the bait..in one day and gone never to be seen again..until maybe next year... If you have watched these animals that come to a bait pile within the "community" then you know they are very social animals. With or without bait these deer make physical contact on a regular basis.
Look...waterfowl is awesome... but there is a big difference between a waterfowl and a deer... One of the reason you can't bait birds is because awesome or not... birds are dumb about food..... I have seen wild turkeys that would fight you over a corn pile.....
To say we should manage baiting laws on deer and elk the same as waterfowl is shortsighted.. Should we also not allow lead bullets for hunting deer and elk because it's not allowed for waterfowl?
The part about people who don't bait find deer confined to bait piles on private property is a misperception....That may be the impression people get when they don't kill a deer but it is far from reality. I watch these things year round. I have cameras out over miles in areas with and without bait piles.. the deer don't just hang right around the bait pile or even within a quarter mile of it at all times.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 21, 2013, 09:55:58 AM
I think my opinions are mainly based upon what has happened to "my community deer" you know the neighbor pulling most of the deer out of my traditional stomping grounds with his elaborate bait station :rolleyes: But we don't want to go there.atleast not here anyways :)
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 21, 2013, 10:01:23 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on November 21, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
I need whatever kind of bait station he has because the deer I see sometimes move well over a mile away (photo verified) from a well established bait and then a few days later they are back.I think he mainly keeps it stocked with corn and apples. The deer in my area could very well move a mile or so away also in the other direction into a safe haven :dunno:
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 21, 2013, 12:45:54 PM
I've dumped apples, falfa, pumpkins, corn or sweet mix ... 20-40 miles from agriculture areas and had deer eat it all
:yeah:
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on November 21, 2013, 01:50:26 PM
Just because someone baits doesn't make them more successfully. It still takes a lot of skill to get a mature buck to come to the stand when you are hunting over the bait without them busting you. Why do you think most guys always post pictures of the big buck under their stand during the one day they didn't hunt? More than likely the buck knew the hunter was there on those other days and that is why they never had him come in.
Post by: idahohuntr on November 21, 2013, 02:29:53 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 21, 2013, 02:48:20 PM
Nope, it's definitely not an easy way to hunt.
Post by: buckfvr on November 21, 2013, 05:33:01 PM
I must admit I was astonished at how difficult baiting was. I've never baited deer before and I knew it wouldn't be easy but I figured if I kept up the food supply I would eventually have them coming in like clockwork. Earlier this spring I put up a nice feeder, planted food plots, set out salt blocks in an area with lots of deer and figured come archery season it would be a piece of cake. All summer I had pictures of nice bucks. Then archery season opened. Goodbye Bucks...at least during the day! I still can't figure out what happened but it was definitely not the cake walk I was imagining! I am starting to wonder if what some of you guys have posted is the problem...something about my presence/setup tipped those deer off that I was there and they did not come in. Although I didn't get a buck (yet) I am kind of becoming obsessed with keeping my cameras and bait going, monitoring the deer, and trying to figure out how to get them coming in regularly during season. I get a lot of enjoyment out of seeing pictures of big bucks, new bucks, bucks with weird antlers...if they outlawed hunting over bait I would still bait just to get the pictures!
More to it than quantity of offering.....keep it simple........make sure you are on or near a seasonal trail...probably most important is low impact in and out, always with the wind advantage......never walk the trail. Set up near the trail rather than over the bait. If you decide to hunt your stand, get in early and stay all day.....too many in and outs and they will have your game. Hang several stands and mix it up....keep them guessing..........ALWAYS be ready to shoot.....the best hunter I know once told me the difference between the most successful hunters and all the rest is the continually successful hunters are ready and able to take advantage of every opportunity they get, no matter how small..........his success clearly backs this statement........he NEVER sits the same stand two days in a row..........
Post by: pd on November 21, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
I've been baiting for three years now and haven't killed a deer yet, over the bait. In fact I haven't even seen a deer, not even a doe. I admit I havent actually spent much time sitting and watching my apples. For a couple reasons- one, it's boring! The other reason is that for the most part, they do not visit the bait during daylight hours. I originally started putting a few apples in front of my cameras just to get more and better pictures. As an afterthought, I tried hunting those bait sites, but like I said, I haven't even seen a deer. The best I have done is I have heard them run off as I get up after it gets dark and I begin walking out.
Nope, it's definitely not an easy way to hunt.
I am with Bobcat on this one. I put out apples and salt to get the animals to come to my camera--I wanted to know what type of animals were there, when they came, and so on. Is this "baiting?" Well, I guess you could say so. I did learn that the animals were never at the camera during the day time. This was very effective in teaching me "what" is in the woods; now it is up to me to learn "where" they are and "how" to hunt them. This is all on me. In fact, this is my task for next year. I am very happy to have put out cameras this year, and I look forward to the pictures from over the winter. (I wonder if my frozen apples will still be there next spring?)
Post by: idahohuntr on November 22, 2013, 08:01:55 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 22, 2013, 08:19:08 AM
Post by: Machias on November 22, 2013, 09:41:25 AM
Here is something that I learned this year: Make sure that your bait makes culinary sense to the targeted animals!
I spent the entire summer and early fall of 2013 lugging hundreds of pounds of apples deep into the woods (all on bicycle, several miles back), to place in front of my game cameras. My daughter and I always downloaded the pictures with great anticipation, to see what critters had come to the feast. We were surprised that the previous drop of apples were never completely eaten when we came to refresh them. Only after the season did we learn the reason why: Our cameras are very deep in the mountains, far from any agricultural sites. The animals there have never seen apples before; thus, they never touched our camera bait.
I learned this from a knowledgeable and kind gentleman, who told me that he once dropped a bale of alfalfa in the same area for elk, only to discover that the elk wouldn't touch the bailed green stuff.
The lesson here is this: Bring whatever bait you like (it is all legal, except if your quarry is cougar or bear), just make sure that they are familiar with your offerings. Otherwise, you are waisting your time.
By the way, when I went to my super-secret spot during general elk season this year, the last round of apples were still there, perfectly frozen. :bash:
its all legal except for cougar or bear? if youre going to tell people what the laws are make sure you know them yourself. baiting cougar is perfectly legal. its all legal except bear and game birds
Actually cougar baiting is perfectly legal, unless they outlawed in the past 12 months! :)
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2013, 06:04:20 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on November 23, 2013, 06:12:08 AM
One more thing .....it is legal to bait deer -elk and cougar !! The only animal that( can not) be baited is bear !
Post by: PolarBear on November 23, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2013, 07:37:24 AM
One of my cameras was in the middle of nowhere 2 miles from a road down in a hole full of blown down trees, tangles, etc. Anytime you guys think it's not work, you're welcome to tag along. The only thing I ask is that we split the bait and other gear between 2 packs.
:twocents:
Post by: archery288 on November 23, 2013, 08:56:46 AM
This is why I never understood the WDFW making bear baiting illegal? You could be pickier about the bear you harvested waiting on a mature bear. Now guys are shooting whatever they lay their sights on for the most part.
Baiting is legal, if everyone wanted to do it they have every right too. It's not cheap, and if you want to be successful it takes a lot of time learning and scouting. Sure, go through out a bait pile in the middle of the woods, you might have a deer or two. But to really make it work year after year, you'll spend years trying to figure it out and a ton of money...
Post by: JLS on November 23, 2013, 09:27:29 AM
you're welcome to tag along. The only thing I ask is that we split the bait and other gear between 2 packs.
:twocents:
When do we leave? :)
Post by: JLS on November 23, 2013, 09:28:31 AM
This is why I never understood the WDFW making bear baiting illegal?
They didn't. The voting populace did. >:(
Post by: PolarBear on November 23, 2013, 09:51:45 AM
Post by: archery288 on November 23, 2013, 09:54:02 AM
The hippies in Seattle, Tacoma and Olympia outlawed bear baiting and hound hunting.
Truth... :bash:
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2013, 10:48:06 AM
99% of rifle hunters go out and shoot the first buck they see...The statement above is pure horse*censored* archery 288.
As far as baiting, it's currently legal in WA, I'm not familiar with other states, but it's purely a personal decision.
THE END
Well....I think your "THE END" comment is not going to hold up.
Just my :twocents:
:sry:
Post by: PolarBear on November 23, 2013, 11:25:53 AM
:rolleyes:
I liked hunting whitetails in Alabama. No baiting allowed, long seasons, up to 3 deer per day and you can hunt with a spear!!!! I hunted there in Jan of 2010 and it only took 20 minutes for me go get a nice "10 pointer" with a shotgun. My cousins all hunt with spears but made it very plain that baiting was strictly prohibited, even hunting over livestock feeding areas. They sit in trees along well traveled trails and wait them out.
Post by: MuleySniper on November 23, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 23, 2013, 02:40:37 PM
Here is my :twocents: Not for me ....I love to hunt ....you know get off your butt and get in the woods and find the game ....that's called hunting ...but if it floats your boat then have at it ....long as it is legal its your choice ! ;)
One more thing .....it is legal to bait deer -elk and cougar !! The only animal that( can not) be baited is bear !
So people who bait don't get into the woods and find game?
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 23, 2013, 02:43:27 PM
Here is my :twocents: Not for me ....I love to hunt ....you know get off your butt and get in the woods and find the game ....that's called hunting ...but if it floats your boat then have at it ....long as it is legal its your choice ! ;)
One more thing .....it is legal to bait deer -elk and cougar !! The only animal that( can not) be baited is bear !
So people who bait don't get into the woods and find game?
:yeah: I found that having salt and cameras in the woods gets me out in the woods more because I actually have tools to work with other than just looking for does and fawns in the summertime.
Post by: snowpack on November 23, 2013, 02:54:42 PM
They go in heavy. I haven't baited in a couple seasons, but might try to for this coming elk season. When I did last for blacktail, it involved 70# packs of apples or 50 lb blocks of salt or deer chow hiked in about 1 1/2 miles every week. For elk I was just hauling the mineral licks at 50 lbs for a couple miles. Worst was hauling in stuff for the high hunt.Here is my :twocents: Not for me ....I love to hunt ....you know get off your butt and get in the woods and find the game ....that's called hunting ...but if it floats your boat then have at it ....long as it is legal its your choice ! ;)
One more thing .....it is legal to bait deer -elk and cougar !! The only animal that( can not) be baited is bear !
So people who bait don't get into the woods and find game?
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2013, 02:56:31 PM
Here is my :twocents: Not for me ....I love to hunt ....you know get off your butt and get in the woods and find the game ....that's called hunting ...but if it floats your boat then have at it ....long as it is legal its your choice ! ;)
One more thing .....it is legal to bait deer -elk and cougar !! The only animal that( can not) be baited is bear !
So people who bait don't get into the woods and find game?
I found tons of game in the woods. A lot of folks wouldn't believe the game I found.
:chuckle:
Post by: deltaops on November 23, 2013, 03:00:19 PM
Post by: huntnnw on November 24, 2013, 10:48:09 PM
I don't hunt over bait. I don't know if I ever will, but I will say that if you guys think there's not a lot of work that goes into it, you're wrong. It's just like treestand hunting. Lots of folks criticize the guys that hunt out of treestands. They've obviously never done it.
One of my cameras was in the middle of nowhere 2 miles from a road down in a hole full of blown down trees, tangles, etc. Anytime you guys think it's not work, you're welcome to tag along. The only thing I ask is that we split the bait and other gear between 2 packs.
:twocents:
Exactly...reason they bash it is they couldnt even begin to pack 40-60 lbs up a thick covered mt side...let along hang a tree stand... oh and pack that in along with spikes, saws, ropes hangers etc...its a workout to a hang a stand
Post by: tsimp1211 on November 25, 2013, 07:06:12 AM
I just wanted to add my 2 cents in on the baiting argument. I now live in SC and have been putting out corn for the past 7 years. This is what I have learned over the last 7 years of baiting:
1. Does, yearlings, small bucks, and mature bucks all love corn.
2. Does, yearlings, and small bucks will feed on the corn during daylight hours. The big mature bucks often times only hit the corn piles during hours of darkness, and typically from 2200 to 0400.
3. I get thousands and thousands of pictures, but only a handfull of the pics I get are mature bucks.
4. I have only shot one mature buck off a corn pile in the past 7 years. All other mature bucks have been killed 100-300 yards from the corn pile. Often times the larger mature bucks will watch the does and younger bucks feed, and then wait until dark to come out and feed.
5. During the rut, you can forget about killing any bucks over a corn pile. That is unless they are tending a doe who comes out to feed. Typically though the buck will hang in the woods/brush and just watch.
I have found that baiting deer is a great way to put meat in the freezer, but not a great way to put antlers on the wall. If you are a meat hunter, I would recommend baiting and hunting over the bait. If you are trying to kill a large mature buck, then you're better off hanging a tree stand, ground blind etc. some distance off the baiting site. I have lots and lots of experience with baiting, food plots, and feeding year round. Please feel free to ask away, gripe, etc. I am by no means an expert, but have been baiting and feeding deer year round for the last 7 years. I just became a pro staff member for Big Bucks Plus. BBP makes their own gravity feeders and 20% protein deer feed. When it comes to feeding deer year round, I feed them from January to July, then switch to corn in August. By the end of August the deer down here have stopped growing their antlers and will hit the corn hard. Good luck!
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Post by: smalldog on November 30, 2013, 02:59:49 PM
We have to stop judging the way people hunt. If you stop baiting then whats next? They will probably then say its not fair using tree stands or scents or using grunt tubes and rattling. Remember when you could use hounds for coons and cats and bears, and could bait bears, well that's what you get when you play this kind of judgment game. Please stop and just enjoy what we have, if your not carefull you will lose more ground for hunting and the way we do it. If we all embrace each other and the way we hunt we will win in the longrun, or we will all lose in the end. Good luck in the way you hunt and be safe.
Post by: RifleRidge on April 24, 2014, 11:11:50 PM
There is one thing that I am sick of and that is this pole on baiting. I have killed using bait, and just sat over scrapes and used scents and used a grunt tube and have killed bucks. Tree stands, ground blinds and have used salt licks and so on. It all has a curtain amount of skill, and if you don't pick the skills up you will probably not get anything.
We have to stop judging the way people hunt. If you stop baiting then whats next? They will probably then say its not fair using tree stands or scents or using grunt tubes and rattling. Remember when you could use hounds for coons and cats and bears, and could bait bears, well that's what you get when you play this kind of judgment game. Please stop and just enjoy what we have, if your not carefull you will lose more ground for hunting and the way we do it. If we all embrace each other and the way we hunt we will win in the longrun, or we will all lose in the end. Good luck in the way you hunt and be safe.
:tup: :yeah:
Post by: RifleRidge on April 24, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
Post by: smalldog on April 25, 2014, 05:57:16 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 25, 2014, 07:14:41 PM
What is it with people, that they have to find fault with the way someone else hunts. Why in the hell don't people just leave people alone and enjoy the hunting. I am so sick of all the laws and the way people are looking at the way other people do things. You don't like something that someone else does and you try to make a law or find a way to make it look bad. Quit screwing with each other and pay more attention to what the anti hunters are trying to do to our sport. If you put the same energy in that instead of picking on a way another person hunts we would be better off. :'( >:( >:( I hate polls and I don't like people that are trying to pit people against each other. WE ALREADY HAVE PRESIDENT OBAMA DOING THAT.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 29, 2014, 11:13:22 AM
What is it with people, that they have to find fault with the way someone else hunts. Why in the hell don't people just leave people alone and enjoy the hunting. I am so sick of all the laws and the way people are looking at the way other people do things. You don't like something that someone else does and you try to make a law or find a way to make it look bad. Quit screwing with each other and pay more attention to what the anti hunters are trying to do to our sport. If you put the same energy in that instead of picking on a way another person hunts we would be better off. :'( >:( >:( I hate polls and I don't like people that are trying to pit people against each other. WE ALREADY HAVE PRESIDENT OBAMA DOING THAT.
What gets me is that it is illegal to bait bear and waterfowl but legal to bait deer :dunno: If anything it should be the other way around,especially since bears are hard to hunt and need to be baited to efficiently control them.
Too alot of hunters baiting deer and elk is NOT "Hunting" to them and they see the herds being controlled and conditioned by it.
Sure leave it legal to the handicapped but that's it :twocents:
Post by: idahohuntr on April 29, 2014, 11:27:33 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on April 29, 2014, 11:41:01 AM
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Post by: vandeman17 on April 29, 2014, 11:47:54 AM
lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
Post by: singleshot12 on April 29, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
lol,last year for the first time. It was the only way I could draw a small buck into my area with all the other baiting competition going on :chuckle: And it wasn't very satisfying to dump him while he was contently eating an apple either.
But meat is meat I guess :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 29, 2014, 12:02:10 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on April 29, 2014, 12:10:45 PM
And don't judge me if I believe if you're able bodied and you bait that you are missing out on the true experience of hunting :twocents:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 29, 2014, 12:28:36 PM
Not trying to judge. Just don't like what I've seen it done to my area's deer population.
And don't judge me if I believe if you're able bodied and you bait that you are missing out on the true experience of hunting :twocents:
I respect your feelings about what it has done to the deer in your area as I have not had any issues with it in my areas.
As for your second statement, you are telling somebody not to judge you while you judge them. Does that seem right/fair? Can't have it both ways. Either we both judge or we both don't judge. :chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on April 29, 2014, 12:32:32 PM
Post by: stromdiddily on April 29, 2014, 12:58:21 PM
Ill bait the F out of deer. As long as its legal means, Meat is meat
:chuckle:
phenomenal comment
Post by: vandeman17 on April 29, 2014, 01:19:15 PM
I wouldn't call it judging at all! But rather just a simple opinion
I will politely disagree but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. As long as it is legal, there will be guys that do it, guys that don't do it but don't care that others do and guys that look down upon people who do.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 30, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
Have you tried actual Hunting?
Post by: buckfvr on April 30, 2014, 03:03:28 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 30, 2014, 03:08:03 PM
dont get this guy started! He is the best hunter known to man and if he cant fill his tag it is all because the neighbors bait all the Deer off his 40 acre piece of land that he hunts. So that makes everyone who baits deer evil and taking the deer away from "real" hunters...lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
Have you tried actual Hunting?
Post by: singleshot12 on April 30, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
Your able body would be in for some serious disappointment in the whitetail woods spot and stalk...............My own little opinion is you are speaking of which you dont know.............it aint all your area....................
Huh? loose some weight,park your ATV and tread lightly,learn to call ETC.ETC. :chuckle: :twocents:
Post by: singleshot12 on April 30, 2014, 03:13:45 PM
dont get this guy started! He is the best hunter known to man and if he cant fill his tag it is all because the neighbors bait all the Deer off his 40 acre piece of land that he hunts. So that makes everyone who baits deer evil and taking the deer away from "real" hunters...lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
Have you tried actual Hunting?
Not evil "lazy" Big differance! The old and disabled have ALL the right to bait :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: vandeman17 on April 30, 2014, 03:18:18 PM
lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
Have you tried actual Hunting?
I have probably "actual hunted" harder then you will in a life time. I bet you wouldn't last a day trying to keep up with me but go ahead and keep blaming other people for ruining your hunting spot. You are a joke
Post by: singleshot12 on April 30, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
lol, when they're eating each others feces,I'd say definitely yes it is a bad thing!
Thing is deer don't need to be hunted this way. Spot and stalk is very effective and much more rewarding to the able bodied
Have you ever tried it?
Have you tried actual Hunting?
I have probably "actual hunted" harder then you will in a life time. I bet you wouldn't last a day trying to keep up with me but go ahead and keep blaming other people for ruining your hunting spot. You are a joke
lol,just because I don't bait and don't agree with it. Come on now who really is the joke. Not everyone wants to be and do the same as you :rolleyes:
Post by: Rainier10 on April 30, 2014, 03:26:51 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 30, 2014, 03:29:09 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 30, 2014, 03:37:47 PM
To get back on topic, I use mineral blocks and a feeder on my property in front of game cameras. Most of the animals go nocturnal to the sites when hunting season starts if they are even still around but it gives me an idea of what is in the area.
The topic of this thread was about baiting, not what we bait with. :chuckle: :chuckle: I do agree with you but I prefer the bags of mineral salt versus the blocks so I can bury it and spread it out. Seems to last longer and makes them work at it. They hit it hard during the summer but come septemberish, they all but disappear except for the does and yearlings.
Post by: buckfvr on April 30, 2014, 03:40:29 PM
Your able body would be in for some serious disappointment in the whitetail woods spot and stalk...............My own little opinion is you are speaking of which you dont know.............it aint all your area....................
Huh? loose some weight,park your ATV and tread lightly,learn to call ETC.ETC. :chuckle: :twocents:
If you spent half the time in the woods that I have/do, you'd be far less naive.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 30, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
Ok, I'm apparently out numbered by baiters here :rolleyes: so I give up :) Me thinks I'm dealing with a bunch of diaper rash babys here..
I hunt 99% on foot and MAYBE 1% over bait. You may not agree with it but calling people who do it lazy or whatever is the joke. I would love to see you try it once and see just how easy it really is. Like I said before, I don't judge how others hunt LEGALLY and hope that others do the same. Evidently you don't fall into this category
Post by: vandeman17 on April 30, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
The joke is that you are judging me for not liking baiting and not agreeing with you. I think baiting is cheating!! That's my opinion! Live with it!
Ok, I'm apparently out numbered by baiters here :rolleyes: so I give up :)I hunt 99% on foot and MAYBE 1% over bait. You may not agree with it but calling people who do it lazy or whatever is the joke. I would love to see you try it once and see just how easy it really is. Like I said before, I don't judge how others hunt LEGALLY and hope that others do the same. Evidently you don't fall into this category
The more accurate statement would be that you are outnumbered here by people who don't judge other people or think they are less of a hunter because of their legal methods. If you don't like baiting, fine, don't do it, but don't think that people who do it are lazy because I can assure you that there are plenty of guys on this forum who have used bait that are way more active hunters then you.
Post by: snowpack on April 30, 2014, 03:47:26 PM
lol,just because I don't bait and don't agree with it. Come on now who really is the joke. Not everyone wants to be and do the same as you :rolleyes:Isn't this what you are trying to accomplish? Previous posts insinuate that you want baiting outlawed, so people have to 'hunt' more like you.
Post by: buckfvr on April 30, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
The joke is that you are judging me for not liking baiting and not agreeing with you. I think baiting is cheating!! That's my opinion! Live with it!
Ok, I'm apparently out numbered by baiters here :rolleyes: so I give up :) Me thinks I'm dealing with a bunch of diaper rash babys here..I hunt 99% on foot and MAYBE 1% over bait. You may not agree with it but calling people who do it lazy or whatever is the joke. I would love to see you try it once and see just how easy it really is. Like I said before, I don't judge how others hunt LEGALLY and hope that others do the same. Evidently you don't fall into this category
And you know all about baiting because you tried it once.........The flow of ignorance is only out weighed by the flow of arrogance. All spewed from your pie hole. :twocents:
Post by: huntingbaldguy on May 01, 2014, 03:34:12 AM
I couldn't vote so i had to add some comedic value i guess. First deer i killed was over bait though, but i'm hoping to go more back country hunting, away from the crowds and i'm not going to do some 5 mile trek ins to drop bait.
Post by: singleshot12 on May 01, 2014, 11:44:08 AM
I am a master baiter. Anyone used that one yet? :sry:
I couldn't vote so i had to add some comedic value i guess. First deer i killed was over bait though, but i'm hoping to go more back country hunting, away from the crowds and i'm not going to do some 5 mile trek ins to drop bait.
Why couldn't you vote? I'm a little dismayed that the poll percentile of non-baiters is on the low end. This new generation of master baiters has got me a little more than just concerned :)
Maybe in the near future we can have designated baiting areas? Even better surround the area with a high fence :yike:
Post by: vandeman17 on May 02, 2014, 10:59:12 AM
\\I am a master baiter. Anyone used that one yet? :sry:
I couldn't vote so i had to add some comedic value i guess. First deer i killed was over bait though, but i'm hoping to go more back country hunting, away from the crowds and i'm not going to do some 5 mile trek ins to drop bait.
Why couldn't you vote? I'm a little dismayed that the poll percentile of non-baiters is on the low end. This new generation of master baiters has got me a little more than just concerned :)
Maybe in the near future we can have designated baiting areas? Even better surround the area with a high fence :yike:
:bdid:
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I guess I am a enabler than because I contribute to the critters and there strong addiction to antler max deer feed.
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