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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: seth30 on December 05, 2013, 02:47:10 PM

Title: retrivel issues
Post by: seth30 on December 05, 2013, 02:47:10 PM: Today was the second time this season that my male lab refused to retrieve a duck. He jumped out of the blind and swam to shore. Glad my female lab was able to get the duck before it swam away... Any ideas on why a dog would do this? I have had them for 5 seasons now and this is a first for me. He did this once before last month as well. After that little weird speel he retrieved the other two ducks I shot no problem.
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: The scout on December 05, 2013, 02:50:54 PM: the female doesn't have ball's.that water is cold.sorry i no your looking for a serious answer
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: seth30 on December 05, 2013, 02:53:19 PM: LOL, neither does my male :chuckle:
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: LndShrk on December 05, 2013, 02:57:32 PM: Force Fetch is the most applicable answer to refusals.
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: seth30 on December 05, 2013, 02:59:29 PM: How do you do a force fetch?
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: LndShrk on December 05, 2013, 03:02:39 PM: Quote from: seth30 on December 05, 2013, 02:59:29 PM
How do you do a force fetch?

Evan Graham Smart Fetch is a great resource.

But before you go down that path I would get his Smart Works series and make sure that you have done the prerequisites.
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: Labs07 on December 05, 2013, 04:14:08 PM: Force fetching is the answer. I don't know if I would do it myself. My lab refused to fetch so I had a trainer force fetch train him and it worked out great.
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: Copperwood on December 05, 2013, 07:18:55 PM: Force Fetch fixes a lot of problems. I would strongly recommend taking him/her to a pro. It is really easy to do this process incorrectly which will cause more problems. PM me for more info.
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Post by: wildweeds on December 05, 2013, 09:22:11 PM: Hmmm all them seasons and only 2 refusals.................Have you always hunt him with the female? If I had to guess she's the alpha.
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 06, 2013, 04:40:35 AM: Only happened twice ever why are you worried? Maybe the dog just needed to poop or didn't see the bird?
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: seth30 on December 06, 2013, 07:23:27 AM: My male is the Alpha and usually wont let my female retreive a duck. She insted retreives decoys :chuckle: Its possible he had to poop but he didnt, just sat there and watched us. Copperwood PM sent.
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 06, 2013, 07:43:08 AM: I was being a bit sarcastic. Because your dog is older and been hunted a lot force fetching him probably won't be a good answer. Even with a trainer with minimal experience he will probably dig in his heels to refuse the new person and get pretty spiteful. I'd hunt one at a time see if it makes a difference.

Ff an older dog? Unlikely to have a good time with it- remember today. Enjoy what you have now and when you get your next pup start them off differently with more training
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Post by: LndShrk on December 06, 2013, 10:18:21 AM: Sorry I missed the have had them for 5 seasons part.

I agree with Happy G. you are not likely going to win this one over.
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Post by: rtspring on December 06, 2013, 10:23:15 AM: Its hard with two dogs, been there myself.

Has he done it only with another dog around? If so there is your answer.. Never forced fetched any if my dogs.. Yes it works but so does proper training ..
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Post by: seth30 on December 06, 2013, 11:22:49 AM: My dogs are littermates and dont work alone too well. So I take them as a team, and it usually pans out well.
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Post by: wildweeds on December 06, 2013, 11:36:42 AM: I agree,teaching old dogs of any breed new tricks can work,BUT the success rate isn't very good though.When something is regimented and has stuck,the resentment factor is real and can lead to blinking the whole situation if they don't like the changes being implemented .Becomes a matter of if they don't like/love it,fuggetaboutit.Not really that much different from humans really,if you work at a job for 20 years and something in management/benefits changes drastically from what has gone on for 20 years.A certain number of employees are going to blink it,drag up and go elsewhere.

Quote from: Happy Gilmore on December 06, 2013, 07:43:08 AM
I was being a bit sarcastic. Because your dog is older and been hunted a lot force fetching him probably won't be a good answer. Even with a trainer with minimal experience he will probably dig in his heels to refuse the new person and get pretty spiteful. I'd hunt one at a time see if it makes a difference.

Ff an older dog? Unlikely to have a good time with it- remember today. Enjoy what you have now and when you get your next pup start them off differently with more training
Title: Re: retrivel issues
Post by: WRL on December 06, 2013, 01:07:42 PM: A dog is never too old to Force Fetch.

1) It has to be done properly.
2) It has to be worth it to the person force fetching the dog.
3) If you are going through the process, you have to be willing to reinforce it.

If you are unwilling or unable to do any of the above three, then just hunt him and deal with it. If it becomes that huge of an issue, then quit.

I have Force Fetched many dogs over the age of 5 years. Some readily take to it and some resist more. But its the same for dogs under the age of 1 year old too.

WRL