Post by: npaull on December 18, 2013, 06:41:15 PM
Post by: KopperBuck on December 18, 2013, 06:51:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 18, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 18, 2013, 07:07:15 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2013, 07:09:26 PM
we got so many bear
Post by: notellumcreek on December 18, 2013, 07:11:22 PM
I owuld like to see this changed to OTC tags:yeah:
we got so many bear
Post by: trophyhunt on December 18, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 18, 2013, 07:32:39 PM
I would rather cougar season be opened year round and dogs allowed, the spring permit is a very fun hunt. Over the counter would ruin the quality of it, in my opinion.
Cougar and Bobcat season through turkey season would be sweet! Even without dogs.
Post by: bobcat on December 18, 2013, 09:46:29 PM
Prime example- Capitol Peak. Plenty of bears and with it being 90% state land, very few bears are killed via depredation permits. They had spring bear permits in that unit for a few years beginning in 2005 and ended the permits for no apparent reason.
There are several other units in SW Washington that could handle a few spring bear permits as well.
Post by: grundy53 on December 18, 2013, 09:48:50 PM
I owuld like to see this changed to OTC tags:yeah: and in most gmu's.
we got so many bear
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Post by: Limhangerslayer on December 18, 2013, 09:57:32 PM
I'd be fine with spring bear staying permit only, but there's no reason there can't be permits in every GMU that has a decent population of bears.I like the expanded spring permit idea, I've always thought that was a good idea. I think all of south and north central gmu's could handle s few permits. Be it 1 - to ten permit
Prime example- Capitol Peak. Plenty of bears and with it being 90% state land, very few bears are killed via depredation permits. They had spring bear permits in that unit for a few years beginning in 2005 and ended the permits for no apparent reason.
There are several other units in SW Washington that could handle a few spring bear permits as well.
Post by: Eli346 on December 19, 2013, 08:04:33 AM
They ended those spring bear hunts in Capitol Forest saying that all the quotas have been met although the stats don't show us much in that regard. We've got a spot in Capitol Forest that we always see bear in and counted 7 different bear in three days up there last year. Only 2 of which were cubs. The spring permit system was discontinued the year after the woman hiker was shot up in Skagit because she was mistaken for a bear. I really think that's the only reason they discontinued the hunts as Capitol Forest is such a highly used recreational area for the west side.
Post by: npaull on December 19, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
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I'd be fine with spring bear staying permit only, but there's no reason there can't be permits in every GMU that has a decent population of bears.
Yeah it's always seemed odd to me how limited the spring opportunity is. I agree - permit would be fine, but a few permits for most of the GMUs would seem reasonable.
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2013, 12:47:05 PM
They set out traps for bears and caught very few so they estimate the population way lower than it really is. (That's my theory anyway after having a run-in with a couple bios up there several years ago). :twocents: :o
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2013, 12:59:56 PM
My belief for them discontinuing the CF permit hunts is because the WDFW bios are idiots. They couldn't catch yogi or booboo if they had a 20 cage traps and 1,000 picinic baskets.
They set out traps for bears and caught very few so they estimate the population way lower than it really is. (That's my theory anyway after having a run-in with a couple bios up there several years ago). :twocents: :o
Could it be for other reasons? Like people leaving ruts in the roads or some such?
I'd bet a beer it's some reason like that and not based on population numbers. :twocents:
Post by: MooseZ25 on December 19, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2013, 01:15:47 PM
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2013, 01:21:30 PM
My belief for them discontinuing the CF permit hunts is because the WDFW bios are idiots. They couldn't catch yogi or booboo if they had a 20 cage traps and 1,000 picinic baskets.
They set out traps for bears and caught very few so they estimate the population way lower than it really is. (That's my theory anyway after having a run-in with a couple bios up there several years ago). :twocents: :o
Could it be for other reasons? Like people leaving ruts in the roads or some such?
I'd bet a beer it's some reason like that and not based on population numbers. :twocents:
People leave ruts whether hunting season is open or not.
It may be true that they don't want hunting going on in the spring due to other users in the area complaining about hunting. Then to justify it by population numbers, they could go out and do a study with the intent of finding what they want to find to justify not having the season and not have to give bs reasons like some hippies don't want bears to be shot. :twocents:
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
Permits are fine but they need to issue more, and in more units. And of course, baiting should be allowed. Since timber companies are using bait with their depredation permits, I see no logical reason why hunters who draw a spring bear permit shouldn't be allowed to do so as well. I'm sure there's some way the WDFW could make it happen, IF THEY WANTED TO.
Ya that's an irritation too. They should give those depredation permits to hunters or just disallow contract killing.
Timber companies got two choices, allow hunting by permit holders or let the bears peel their trees.
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2013, 01:24:18 PM
My belief for them discontinuing the CF permit hunts is because the WDFW bios are idiots. They couldn't catch yogi or booboo if they had a 20 cage traps and 1,000 picinic baskets.
They set out traps for bears and caught very few so they estimate the population way lower than it really is. (That's my theory anyway after having a run-in with a couple bios up there several years ago). :twocents: :o
Could it be for other reasons? Like people leaving ruts in the roads or some such?
I'd bet a beer it's some reason like that and not based on population numbers. :twocents:
People leave ruts whether hunting season is open or not. True, but I'm not familiar with CF lands so was just exploring a possibility.
It may be true that they don't want hunting going on in the spring due to other users in the area complaining about hunting. Then to justify it by population numbers, they could go out and do a study with the intent of finding what they want to find to justify not having the season and not have to give bs reasons like some hippies don't want bears to be shot. :twocents: I am familiar with this tatic though and it goes on more than we know :twocents:
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2013, 01:26:07 PM
Post by: buckfvr on December 19, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
My local warden told me that they permit to keep sows with cubs getting killed in the spring. They think they can control that with permit process. I told him they can't fix stupid.
I think its more about knowing whos in the woods hunting bear...........be easier for them to blame someone........... :twocents:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 19, 2013, 04:02:16 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 09:44:33 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 23, 2013, 09:51:43 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 09:54:23 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 23, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 10:03:13 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2013, 10:04:51 AM
If I really had a wish it would be for spring bait permits.
:yeah:
And to the WDFW, if you're reading this, I would be willing to pay for such an opportunity. Let's say in the neighborhood of $50 to $75, and I bet many others would be willing to pay as well.
If the timber companies can use hunters who bait bears and harvest them under their depredation permits, I see no reason why permits cannot be made available to the general public to do the same thing.
Post by: h20hunter on December 23, 2013, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 10:08:17 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 23, 2013, 11:43:15 AM
Special permit, up the price (yeah I said it), up to three bait sites clearly labeled with tag holder info, no trace left behind, same extended period as last season.Exactly. Bait permit. Sell the permits to recoup the losses from going otc for spring bear.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 23, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
:yeah:I agree 100%. I also know its already happening but its on the hush hush. Master hunters have been killing bears over bait. :stirthepot:
That is a pot stirer for sure! :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 23, 2013, 01:04:15 PM
Special permit, up the price (yeah I said it), up to three bait sites clearly labeled with tag holder info, no trace left behind, same extended period as last season.Exactly. Bait permit. Sell the permits to recoup the losses from going otc for spring bear.
I'd still like to see it a permit only. My reasoning is that otc tags would result in to much vehicle traffic and we would have "issues" that result in the program getting yanked totally.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 01:15:10 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 23, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 23, 2013, 01:18:57 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 23, 2013, 01:22:55 PM
Post by: Sideswipe on December 24, 2013, 07:53:05 PM
I'll come outa hiding for Spring bear. Been shoot' long range silhouettes w/a rolling block...at least I can find them.
Post by: addicted2hunting on December 29, 2013, 12:32:22 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 29, 2013, 12:58:50 PM