Post by: steeliedrew on December 19, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 19, 2013, 05:01:27 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2013, 05:04:36 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 19, 2013, 05:05:33 PM
Post by: bowhunterty on December 19, 2013, 05:14:33 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 19, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 19, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2013, 05:24:15 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 19, 2013, 05:28:06 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 19, 2013, 05:32:14 PM
I wish it would open on the 14th
:yeah: and stay open for three weeks :tup:
Post by: _TONY_ on December 19, 2013, 05:32:26 PM
I wish it would open on the 14th
:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2013, 05:44:50 PM
That's my vote.
Post by: steeliedrew on December 19, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on December 20, 2013, 09:22:03 AM
Ok Bobcat I'll bite....why do you want it to open in Aug 23rd?
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 09:32:53 AM
So I certainly don't want the season to start any later. At least next year it's one day earlier, I'm happy about that!
Post by: kentrek on December 20, 2013, 09:35:21 AM
In the area I hunted this year all the bulls leave the first week of September. They head off to where the cows are. The hunting would have been great the last week of August, there were at least four legal bulls in the area, and a couple others that came through occasionally. A week into September they were all gone.
Why not follow them ??
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 09:37:30 AM
In the area I hunted this year all the bulls leave the first week of September. They head off to where the cows are. The hunting would have been great the last week of August, there were at least four legal bulls in the area, and a couple others that came through occasionally. A week into September they were all gone.
Why not follow them ??
They are on private property that I don't have permission to hunt.
Post by: kentrek on December 20, 2013, 09:47:38 AM
Post by: Fullabull on December 20, 2013, 09:51:58 AM
Here is what we get to look forward too:
Labor Day 2014 September 1, 2014 Monday
Labor Day 2015 September 7, 2015 Monday
Labor Day 2016 September 5, 2016 Monday
Labor Day 2017 September 4, 2017 Monday
Labor Day 2018 September 3, 2018 Monday
Labor Day 2019 September 2, 2019 Monday
Labor Day 2020 September 7, 2020 Monday
Labor Day 2021 September 6, 2021 Monday
Labor Day 2022 September 5, 2022 Monday
Labor Day 2023 September 4, 2023 Monday
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
But a week earlier would be even better!
Post by: JPhelps on December 20, 2013, 10:15:28 AM
Yep, 2014 looks great! :IBCOOL:
But a week earlier would be even better!
2014 season dates suck :bash: At least for someone wanting to call a bull in.
Looks like a good year to go out of state and put in for an eastside muzzleloader tag. :tup:
Post by: BullCrazy24 on December 20, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2013, 10:18:04 AM
Post by: JPhelps on December 20, 2013, 10:25:39 AM
Hopefully the GMAC got some stuff done last week and the seasons will be pushed back a week on the next season setting cycle.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them come back and permanently move the season back to a September 1 opener. They have just been messing with us about the rotating start date.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 20, 2013, 10:35:21 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
Post by: The scout on December 20, 2013, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on December 20, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
I was thinking about hunting out of state archery next year and just going point option in wa .
You must be looking for a bull. You seem to do pretty well for cows.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 20, 2013, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on December 20, 2013, 12:39:21 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 20, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I've only killed 3 cows and a bunch of spikes. I'm more concerned with my dad and his 11 points.I was thinking about hunting out of state archery next year and just going point option in wa .
You must be looking for a bull. You seem to do pretty well for cows.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 20, 2013, 12:43:58 PM
:yeah: understatement of the year :chuckle::dunno:
Post by: steeliedrew on December 20, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
I made this a topic in the WDFW survey about hunting issues. I asked that they start the early season on the 8th and end on the 21st of every year. Archery hunters have the worst percentage of harvesting branch antlered bulls of all the three weapons which is due to the way they are doing the early season. 2015 is the only year we will have a later start and end date, then it goes back again
Here is what we get to look forward too:
Labor Day 2014 September 1, 2014 Monday
Labor Day 2015 September 7, 2015 Monday
Labor Day 2016 September 5, 2016 Monday
Labor Day 2017 September 4, 2017 Monday
Labor Day 2018 September 3, 2018 Monday
Labor Day 2019 September 2, 2019 Monday
Labor Day 2020 September 7, 2020 Monday
Labor Day 2021 September 6, 2021 Monday
Labor Day 2022 September 5, 2022 Monday
Labor Day 2023 September 4, 2023 Monday
2015 and 2020 look like great years to me if that's how it's gonna work.
Post by: bullcanyon on December 20, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 20, 2013, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 01:49:34 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on December 20, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 02:02:40 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 20, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
How about going to permit only, reduce the number of elk hunters by 50%, and then have the 8-21 season? Maybe the WDFW would be willing to do that.never going to happen wdfw would loose 50% of there total tag revenue.
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 02:04:42 PM
How about going to permit only, reduce the number of elk hunters by 50%, and then have the 8-21 season? Maybe the WDFW would be willing to do that.never going to happen wdfw would loose 50% of there total tag revenue.
Couldn't they double the price of the tags to make up for it?
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 20, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
Post by: TMortensen on December 20, 2013, 02:30:13 PM
So this year we get sept 2-15th. The 3 year plan is up so maybe in 2015 we'll get a favorable season again. lets hope and pray archey guys will get a gift from the wdfw and give us sept 15th -30th :) Just wishfull thinking!
Post by: JPhelps on December 20, 2013, 02:42:48 PM
Actually, archers have the highest success rate:
Bobcat I think there are other correlations as to why the archery user group is more successful.
Post by: bullcanyon on December 20, 2013, 03:00:21 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on December 20, 2013, 03:05:29 PM
Archery 12.8
modern 13.0
muzzy 16.7
That's for the 2012 season.
Post by: JPhelps on December 20, 2013, 03:06:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 03:18:09 PM
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A lot of the Bowhunters were very successful as rifle and muzzloader hunters who have switched for the challenge.
For the challenge? Really? Or do most switch for the better seasons, better units, and more either sex opportunity?
Post by: JPhelps on December 20, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 20, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
The 10% I know will be successful regardless of weapon, the 90% will still be unsuccessful with a multi season tag.
:yeah: or special permit for that matter
Post by: bobcat on December 20, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 20, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on December 20, 2013, 04:27:35 PM
Bobcat- I VOTE no for permit only .
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 20, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
If the archery hunt wasnt important and I wanted to kill a BULL as often as possible. Westside Modern is the tag I would pick. For a variety of reasons.
Since you kicked the door open on the late season..... Personally I would give up at least some of it, to procure better dates/moretime in September. I really dont understand the logic behind not allowing cows to be taken in some early season units while they are tender and fat and most importantly not bred, but applying a ton of pressure in the late season. I know thats a whole other topic and I want to stay on the subject of season dates. I agree with you about the last week in August being a killer time to slip an arrow in a good bull. especially if you have done your summer homework. I really thought the 8-21st dates were a great compromise.
Post by: JPhelps on December 20, 2013, 05:01:46 PM
Post by: Fullabull on December 20, 2013, 05:06:45 PM
4 point 5 point 6 point Total
Archery 221 272 106 599
Modern 729 545 187 1461
The Modern Success % is higher on branch bulls then archery and has been, especially when it come to permit hunting. I noticed the WDFW does not post the permit hunt success the same way they do the general season. I believe there is a reason for that. Because they do not want everyone to see how good the Modern hunters have it when it comes to hunting branch bulls.
Bobcat: please do not say, "why don't you change to Modern then" that is old and us archery hunters know when the best time to actually hunt elk is. I believe you hunted muzzy before (which actually has the best season but their hunting unit restrictions help keep them from even higher percentages). If you are now hunting archery, you need to hunt later in September and see the difference it makes.
Post by: steeliedrew on December 20, 2013, 06:06:20 PM
Post by: buck man on December 24, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
If elk was permit only I'd pack up the family and move to another state. Plain and simple. I've only been hunting for 2 years and elk is already that important to me. It would crush me every year I didn't draw. thank goodness that draw idea is far fetched for the foreseeable future. :)
Actually the foreseeable future does hold more permit seasons. So don't hold your breath.
Post by: et1702 on December 24, 2013, 09:08:20 AM
2015: 12th thru 27th
2016: 10th - 25th
2017: 9th - 24th
2018: 8th - 23rd
2019: 14th - 29th
2020: 12th - 27th
This would allow some years to be better hunting than other and still be a good compromise. ML guys would still have early Oct hunts and Modern hunters would still have approx. the same times too. FYI, The above is what I put in the WDFW survery for consideration.
ET
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 24, 2013, 09:35:30 AM
:yeah:X2 :tup:
Post by: et1702 on December 24, 2013, 09:53:11 AM
BTW, the only "eastside" user group that the proposal I outlined would potentially affect would be the lucky SOBs that get drawn for the ONE and only "Quality" rifle bull tag that usually happens the last week of Sept before the ML guys go into the field. As an archer of 34+ years, I could care less if there is one guy out there with a rifle tag hunting during archery season. Bear hunters are already out there too. Plus, the only people he or she would be competing with are the archery Quality bull tags. Again, not really a concern.
ET
Post by: bobcat on December 24, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: elkoholic1 on December 24, 2013, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: et1702 on December 24, 2013, 11:07:18 AM
ET
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 24, 2013, 12:51:35 PM
Yep, 2014 looks great! :IBCOOL:
But a week earlier would be even better!
2014 season dates suck :bash: At least for someone wanting to call a bull in.
Looks like a good year to go out of state and put in for an eastside muzzleloader tag. :tup:
Called in two bulls on the opener last year with your calls Jason. It can be done, people just need to learn what the bulls want to hear. One of them already had 15+ cows with him and was raking trees all day.
Post by: JPhelps on December 24, 2013, 01:09:26 PM
Post by: The scout on December 24, 2013, 01:17:50 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 24, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
I agree it can be done, but "most" of the time things don't click until around the 10th or 11th.
Those herd bulls don't like your bugle tube sounding off in their bedroom :tup:
Post by: cryder on December 27, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
Post by: Chuck83 on January 08, 2014, 11:59:42 AM
Post by: buckfvr on January 08, 2014, 12:02:55 PM
I agree it can be done, but "most" of the time things don't click until around the 10th or 11th.
Those herd bulls don't like your bugle tube sounding off in their bedroom :tup:
Just make sure you turn your quad off before bugling......... :yike: :chuckle:
Post by: xXLojackXx on January 13, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
I agree it can be done, but "most" of the time things don't click until around the 10th or 11th.
Those herd bulls don't like your bugle tube sounding off in their bedroom :tup:
Just make sure you turn your quad off before bugling......... :yike: :chuckle:
I wish I could get a quad where I hunt. No wait, then I wouldnt be hunting there.
Post by: duckmen1 on January 13, 2014, 08:28:16 PM
Post by: irishevox on February 04, 2014, 07:54:50 AM
Post by: et1702 on February 04, 2014, 08:03:59 AM
If you draw multi-season, Archery and ML would be better time periods for the rut.
ET
Post by: dfresh96 on February 04, 2014, 08:58:10 AM
I like the idea of the sep 8-21 or open for entire month like deer would be even cooler...
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 04, 2014, 09:15:26 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 04, 2014, 09:31:38 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 04, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 04, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
Archers could probably get a week later start date as long as they would be willing to accept a reasonable 7 day long season. Or just hunt ML using your archery gear. :tup:
Please don't offer your opinions anymore, Washelkhunter. We don't like them at all. It's like you belong to some perverse group of ML fanatics or something. :yike: :yike: :bdid: :bash: >:( :hunter: :puke: :tdown: :boxin: :nono: :mgun: WEH's ideas :pee: :stup: :mor: :violent1:
Post by: washelkhunter on February 04, 2014, 10:49:34 AM
Post by: REHJWA on February 04, 2014, 10:55:07 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 04, 2014, 11:08:19 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 04, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 04, 2014, 11:28:05 AM
They could do away with the muzzleloader season entirely. At least early muzzleloader, and add a week to the end of early archery. So for this year it would be September 2-21. Would that be better?not really wouldn't want to take anything away from another user group
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 04, 2014, 11:35:39 AM
They could do away with the muzzleloader season entirely. At least early muzzleloader, and add a week to the end of early archery. So for this year it would be September 2-21. Would that be better?
Oh yeah, baby. Bring it on! No one really hunts ML anyway, do they?
Post by: Fullabull on February 04, 2014, 04:59:04 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 04, 2014, 05:05:26 PM