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Title: Antlerless
Post by: COUG on December 26, 2013, 01:16:55 PM
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Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 26, 2013, 01:17:53 PM
What are you asking :dunno:t
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 01:19:17 PM
Oh man, I got a 50/50 chance.................legal. Did I get it right?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 26, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: COUG on December 26, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
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Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 26, 2013, 01:24:32 PM
Yep it has no antlers
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: h20hunter on December 26, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
Changing my posts until we figure out what you are asking.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 01:31:04 PM
Booyah! That there is a legally antlerless deer!
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Buckmark on December 26, 2013, 01:32:48 PM
Changing my posts until we figure out what you are asking.
Antlerless: Deer, elk, or moose without antlers;
doe and fawn deer and cow and calf elk and
moose are considered antlerless.
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 :dunno:
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Its still a male deer though, kinda if a girl went all loranna bobit on you, you would be d*$@less, but still a male.. :chuckle:
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Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2013, 01:34:41 PM
Yep it has no antlers

I tend to side with this:

"a deer without antlers is antlerless"

semantics, I know  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 01:42:33 PM
Changing my posts until we figure out what you are asking.
Antlerless: Deer, elk, or moose without antlers;
doe and fawn deer and cow and calf elk and
moose are considered antlerless.
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 :dunno:
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Its still a male deer though, kinda if a girl went all loranna bobit on you, you would be d*$@less, but still a male.. :chuckle:
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I can see your point, if only the department would clearly state, "this is a ****less deer unit or hunters may harvest one ****less deer, or Antlerless by definition means ****less.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Is that a buck?
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 26, 2013, 01:46:18 PM
 :yeah: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 26, 2013, 01:50:10 PM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Woodchuck on December 26, 2013, 01:50:47 PM
Is that a buck?
Yes, but an antlerless buck.  :tup:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: h20hunter on December 26, 2013, 01:52:01 PM
It looks like an anterless buck to me. Now...I'f I'm archery road hunting in a unit that has a clear and legal season for antlerless I believe that once I step off the maintained portion of the road I'm legal to kill, or harvest, said anterless animal. However.....would I? I believe the intention of the state regs for antlerless animals is to increase the harvest rate by making does a viable downrange target. I don't think antlerless bucks are what the state had in mind. However.......that is all good and dandy but you know what happense when we assume anything...thats right......we lose our rifle, I mean bow...sorry.

So, if I am hunting in a legal antlerless unit and have the correct weapon to kill the animal that is unlucky enough to have shed his mighty horns I would kill him and eat his tasty flesh.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 01:53:37 PM
Is that a buck?
Yes, but an antlerless buck.  :tup:  :chuckle:

That's what I thought. Isn't that why it was posted? To show a buck that has already shed his antlers? They're shedding early!
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
I suppose it doesn't matter since this antlerless deer is showing at 2039  :dunno:

Any daylight action from him ?
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Mike450r on December 26, 2013, 01:54:22 PM
Would be a nice bonus to smoke one with an antlerless tag and find the matching sheds nearby.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Woodchuck on December 26, 2013, 01:56:18 PM
Is that a buck?
Yes, but an antlerless buck.  :tup:  :chuckle:

That's what I thought. Isn't that why it was posted? To show a buck that has already shed his antlers? They're shedding early!
As near as I can tell there is no point to this thread. A guy may as well have fun with it though.  :tup:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 26, 2013, 01:58:55 PM
Would be a nice bonus to smoke one with an antlerless tag and find the matching sheds nearby.
that would be funny.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: h20hunter on December 26, 2013, 01:59:08 PM
Is that a buck?
Yes, but an antlerless buck.  :tup:  :chuckle:

That's what I thought. Isn't that why it was posted? To show a buck that has already shed his antlers? They're shedding early!

That is possible....it could be why this thread is active. However....it is in the deer hunting, not trail cam or shed section. So, I'm assuming that he is asking us...the almight forum of knowlege.....the bestow our graces upon him so he can venture forth and smite the life from this deer.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 02:01:26 PM
 Here is what  Illinois Department of Natural Resources thinks about their antlerless animals

Q. What is the definition of an antlered deer and an antlerless deer?

A. An antlered deer is defined as a deer having at least one antler of a length of 3 inches or more. An antlerless deer is defined as a deer without antlers or a deer having antlers less than 3 inches long.


Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 26, 2013, 02:04:54 PM
Is that a buck?
Yes, but an antlerless buck.  :tup:  :chuckle:

That's what I thought. Isn't that why it was posted? To show a buck that has already shed his antlers? They're shedding early!

That is possible....it could be why this thread is active. However....it is in the deer hunting, not trail cam or shed section. So, I'm assuming that he is asking us...the almight forum of knowlege.....the bestow our graces upon him so he can venture forth and smite the life from this deer.
I gather you missed the "legal or not" text the OP wrote that is down by the lower right corner of the picture posted?   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Is that a buck?
Yes, but an antlerless buck.  :tup:  :chuckle:

That's what I thought. Isn't that why it was posted? To show a buck that has already shed his antlers? They're shedding early!

That is possible....it could be why this thread is active. However....it is in the deer hunting, not trail cam or shed section. So, I'm assuming that he is asking us...the almight forum of knowlege.....the bestow our graces upon him so he can venture forth and smite the life from this deer.

Are you trying to stay in character for a Shakespeare play or something?
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 02:06:26 PM
Would be a nice bonus to smoke one with an antlerless tag and find the matching sheds nearby.

Like this one?

Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 26, 2013, 02:07:45 PM
That would suck if it was buck only and when he tipped over his head set fell off.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: COUG on December 26, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
All-
Action on a thread is always fun to see.   I am going in about an hour and I have a regular Archery deer tag and a second "antlerless" tag and I know this guy may come in closer to hours and I won't be able to tell for sure if I am seeing a doe or this buck.    As I read the regs it would appear legal.  I wonder why they don't just say "doe" instead of antlerless.   I would guess that is for cases like this or for young bucks that have yet to grow their antlers.   
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 26, 2013, 02:08:58 PM
Yes, it is legal to notch your antlerless tag on that animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: h20hunter on December 26, 2013, 02:10:27 PM
If he comes in I'd stick him. All joking aside antlerless means just that...not did it ever have them or can it grow them. Does it have antlers. Nope. Dead deer. I see it kind of like shooting a bearded hen. If the regs say it must be a turkey with a beard and you shoot a hen then fine, as long as it meets the legal defintion. Getting a little late and I'd rather have meat than tag soup. Good luck and post up if you get him.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 02:12:46 PM
As I said before, legal to kill . thanks for the entertainment though.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Buckmark on December 26, 2013, 02:17:27 PM
Yes, it is legal to notch your antlerless tag on that animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just as long as you Cut out and completely
remove the month and day of kill.
Month and day must be completely
removed. A slit is not acceptable.
Securely attached to the carcass in a
visible manner.
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 26, 2013, 02:19:54 PM
Yes, it is legal to notch your antlerless tag on that animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just as long as you Cut out and completely
remove the month and day of kill.
Month and day must be completely
removed. A slit is not acceptable.
Securely attached to the carcass in a
visible manner.
 :chuckle:
Well, of course.  Is there any other way to properly notch your no antlers deer tag?
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Buckmark on December 26, 2013, 02:23:04 PM
As I said before, legal to kill . thanks for the entertainment though.
But is it legal to harvest? Im confused, i attach my tag to the animal i have killed, but when i go to report it (by jan 31st, or the 10th if you want to be in the incentive drawing) its called a harvest report...
And when you report they ask if i remember right (since i reported 3 months ago)if you harvested a buck, if you click yes they ask how many antler points per side...so  :dunno:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Clearly an antlerless tag is in place to manage the buck to doe ratio, the OP will now have to deal with the daunting task of weighing ETHICS over dinner, way bigger an issue than simply "legal or not".  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 26, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
 :chuckle:

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,138272.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,138272.0.html)
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2013, 02:46:23 PM
I guess they need to call it antlered or antlerless deer.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Woodchuck on December 26, 2013, 02:53:40 PM
As I said before, legal to kill . thanks for the entertainment though.
But is it legal to harvest? Im confused, i attach my tag to the animal i have killed, but when i go to report it (by jan 31st, or the 10th if you want to be in the incentive drawing) its called a harvest report...
And when you report they ask if i remember right (since i reported 3 months ago)if you harvested a buck, if you click yes they ask how many antler points per side...so  :dunno:
So, do you feel you killed that deer or do you feel you harvested that deer?
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: dscubame on December 26, 2013, 03:06:16 PM
And you cannot kill it with a flashlight attached to your bow.....
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Buckmark on December 26, 2013, 03:07:43 PM
Killed, definitely killed that deer, gut, skin, cut wrap and consumed also......
Harvest does not mean the same to me at least, as i can harvest a plant but it is not yet dead, some cut plants can be put into water and will continue to survive and become there own plant and the cut one will regrow where it was harvested at...
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So humm for the sake of argument, what if this deer is in an antler point restriction unit, then it sheds becoming antleress and legal to antlerless tag holders...seems like a conumdrum to kill it at this point...
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 03:35:47 PM
I just realized I hit triple digit post count and became a hunter during this thread! F en A my friends, F en A.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Woodchuck on December 26, 2013, 03:43:54 PM
Killed, definitely killed that deer, gut, skin, cut wrap and consumed also......
Harvest does not mean the same to me at least, as i can harvest a plant but it is not yet dead, some cut plants can be put into water and will continue to survive and become there own plant and the cut one will regrow where it was harvested at...
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So humm for the sake of argument, what if this deer is in an antler point restriction unit, then it sheds becoming antleress and legal to antlerless tag holders...seems like a conumdrum to kill it at this point...
Interesting thoughts indeed. I wonder if we should tie this thread in with the bigfoot thread as this appears to be some form of shapeshifting....
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: REHJWA on December 26, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
You would be perfectly LEGAL. However, I do not believe you are meeting the ethical intent of the law if you knowingly target a buck that you knew would have been illegally prior to it shedding its alters. Besides learning a young bucks pattern could help you harvest more and bigger deer in the years to come.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 26, 2013, 04:51:28 PM
If they only allowed does to be taken, they would say does only, not antlerless. The tag would be called a doe tag. They call it an antlerless hunt which means all deer without legal antlers. This includes buck fawns and apparently bucks who's antlers are less than 3 inches long if the above definition is right, and bucks that have shed their antlers. There is nothing unethical about shooting a buck that meets the legal requirement. In fact it's probably worded "antlerless" to prevent people who shoot an antlerless buck from getting a ticket. This is no more unethical than shooting a doe that carries legal antlers.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 26, 2013, 05:00:04 PM
If they only allowed does to be taken, they would say does only, not antlerless. The tag would be called a doe tag. They call it an antlerless hunt which means all deer without legal antlers. This includes buck fawns and apparently bucks who's antlers are less than 3 inches long if the above definition is right, and bucks that have shed their antlers. There is nothing unethical about shooting a buck that meets the legal requirement. In fact it's probably worded "antlerless" to prevent people who shoot an antlerless buck from getting a ticket. This is no more unethical than shooting a doe that carries legal antlers.
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So if you saw a doe with antlers would you shoot that?
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Woodchuck on December 26, 2013, 05:04:14 PM
I would, as long as it was within the restrictions of the area  :dunno:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Thehowler on December 26, 2013, 05:51:04 PM
If I were to have just shot a deer on a antlerless tag that had shed It's antlers, do to welts or blood patches on the head, I would think I was in the right , But on the other hand, I probably would feel sneaky and nervous like I had just shoplifted something. :yike:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: cbond3318 on December 26, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
Disclaimer: the definition of "antlerless" I posted was taken from Illinois Department of Natural Resources. As this thread began to gain steam it was unclear what the OP was asking including what state he may be in , so I took a wild stab at it. Apparently he is not hunting in Illinois .
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 26, 2013, 11:00:12 PM
"So if you saw a doe with antlers would you shoot that?"

Now how would I know it's a doe if it had antlers? I'm usually looking at their head trying to spot antlers. I'm not looking at their junk. Of course I'd shoot if I saw antlers and that was a legal animal.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 27, 2013, 08:18:02 AM
"So if you saw a doe with antlers would you shoot that?"

Now how would I know it's a doe if it had antlers? I'm usually looking at their head trying to spot antlers. I'm not looking at their junk. Of course I'd shoot if I saw antlers and that was a legal animal.

 :yeah: that was a bit of a stretch.  I can see that being in the rule books, something to do with a visible wee-wee.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: dscubame on December 27, 2013, 08:19:20 AM
 :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 27, 2013, 08:35:44 AM
"So if you saw a doe with antlers would you shoot that?"

Now how would I know it's a doe if it had antlers? I'm usually looking at their head trying to spot antlers. I'm not looking at their junk. Of course I'd shoot if I saw antlers and that was a legal animal.

you just might have seen her squat to do her bussiness, Ive seen cow elk with antlers do this.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: PolarBear on December 27, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Just leave the little feller alone, he is probalbly still missing his mommy.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 27, 2013, 08:48:39 AM
Just leave the little feller alone, he is probalbly still missing his mommy.

If he's soliciting ideas, then  :yeah:
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: h20hunter on December 27, 2013, 08:52:38 AM
Your tag....for me that means if it is legal and you want to stick it....have at it.
Title: Re: Antlerless
Post by: PolarBear on December 27, 2013, 08:55:28 AM
When in doubt, pass!
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