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Title: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: WASHBCBOOK on November 12, 2008, 10:03:19 AM
TELL ME WHAT YOU`AL THINK WHEN YOU SEE A CROSSBOW HUNTER AND WOULD YOU USE A CROSSBOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO..THANKS WASHBCBOOK
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Post by: luvtohnt on November 12, 2008, 10:14:43 AM
MAYBE for disabled hunters.

Brandon
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Post by: elkoholic on November 12, 2008, 10:39:09 AM
I don't care either way.. I think it's great for people who cant shoot a normal bow due to disabilities.. I wouldn't want to have to hunt modern firearm because I was incapable of shooting a bow...I don't think they really have  an advantage.. x-bows are loud and shoot about the same speed as some of the modern compounds... :twocents:
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Post by: Bofire on November 12, 2008, 11:47:44 AM
 :)I think it is absolutely GREAT that hunters who could not otherwise hunt are allowed to use a crossbow. Yes, if that is the only way I could hunt I would.
Carl
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Post by: KillBilly on November 12, 2008, 12:12:09 PM
I am happy that the Law is written the way it is. As Carl stated, it allows hunters to continue hunting when otherwise they would not be able to. I am a disabled Hunter.. I hunt with a compound bow, I hunt with a rifle, I do not sit in and hunt from my vehicle even though I can. I do however utilize the Companion feature that it offers me. I have yet to have to have someone shoot an animal for me but They can accompany me into areas where they would otherwise not be able to go. It is a good thing this State looks out for Disabled Hunters in my opinion.
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Post by: rasbo on November 12, 2008, 12:15:30 PM
disabled yes,if not let them hunt the rifle season
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Post by: mossback91 on November 12, 2008, 01:02:17 PM
I think its bs! I think they should hunt with a rifle if they cant use a normal bow
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: 300rum on November 12, 2008, 01:18:25 PM
Disabled yes.  Or a Dr. Note that they can't draw back the minimum?  Maybe?   :dunno:

The reason for the Dr. Note is when dad gets to the age where he can't pull it back I still want him to be able to go with us.  I know it opens up another can of worms letting the Doc decide but I know for some of the wiser guys it can be tough to get a bow back.

Just a thought.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Jerbear on November 12, 2008, 01:30:45 PM
Well Moss, I am glad that your 18 years of living has made made you an expert.  I am going on seventy, and I really think I am up on you as far as knowledge of hunting, and what it takes to stay in the game.  I speak from experience, no b.s as you like to call it.
My wife is 57 years old.  She is being eaten alive by arthritis.  She walks with leg braces, and two hand crutches.  She drew a doe tag this year and could not use it.  Her doctor told her that she could not shoot any thing above a 22 rifle.  The recoil from a hunting rifle could shatter her shoulder. Pulling back a bow is out of the question.  She wants to look at a crossbow.  She dosen't want to give up hunting.  So its bull *censored* if I can set her up on a stand with a crossbow so she can stay in the game?  I think not and you owe an apology.
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Post by: 300rum on November 12, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
Well Moss, I am glad that your 18 years of living has made made you an expert.   I think not and you owe an apology.


 :chuckle:
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 12, 2008, 01:37:02 PM
Disabled yes.  Or a Dr. Note that they can't draw back the minimum?  Maybe?   :dunno:

The reason for the Dr. Note is when dad gets to the age where he can't pull it back I still want him to be able to go with us.  I know it opens up another can of worms letting the Doc decide but I know for some of the wiser guys it can be tough to get a bow back.

Just a thought.

No hunter can be considered disabled with out a form from a doctor stating specific disabling impairments.

See: http://wdfw.wa.gov/outreach/access/accessibility/eligibility.htm (http://wdfw.wa.gov/outreach/access/accessibility/eligibility.htm)
for requirements
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Post by: skynyr on November 12, 2008, 01:50:01 PM
More power to ya. I think it's great if a disabled person can get out and hunt. I'd rather see someone out hunting with a crossbow than not hunting at all.
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Post by: 300rum on November 12, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
More power to ya. I think it's great if a disabled person can get out and hunt. I'd rather see someone out hunting with a crossbow than not hunting at all.

That is how those libs get out....isn't it?   :chuckle:
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Post by: Antlershed on November 12, 2008, 02:07:23 PM
disabled yes,if not let them hunt the rifle season
+1
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: buck470 on November 12, 2008, 02:12:47 PM
Well, I'm glad someone finally asked the question. I myself would be what mainsteam would call Disabled. My right arm is 99% usless due to an Industrial accident.  Now I have hunted Modern and muzzleloader both and have considered Archery, but due to not being able to Draw a bow, i haven't, yet.  But I do like the option if and when i decide to try bow hunting. My 9 year old is bow curious, so it might not be that long before I'm shopping for a Crossbow.
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Post by: rasbo on November 12, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
Well Moss, I am glad that your 18 years of living has made made you an expert.  I am going on seventy, and I really think I am up on you as far as knowledge of hunting, and what it takes to stay in the game.  I speak from experience, no b.s as you like to call it.
My wife is 57 years old.  She is being eaten alive by arthritis.  She walks with leg braces, and two hand crutches.  She drew a doe tag this year and could not use it.  Her doctor told her that she could not shoot any thing above a 22 rifle.  The recoil from a hunting rifle could shatter her shoulder. Pulling back a bow is out of the question.  She wants to look at a crossbow.  She dosen't want to give up hunting.  So its bull *censored* if I can set her up on a stand with a crossbow so she can stay in the game?  I think not and you owe an apology.
jerbear hope you can get her out there,I hate to hear of anyone with that kind off pain..Ill be waiting to see pics from a deer she kills..Go getem
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Post by: WASHBCBOOK on November 12, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
HEY TO ALL I POSTED THIS SUBJECT I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD ALREADY GET ATTENSION
FIRST OFF IM A DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTER..I WAS A COMPOUND HUNTER FOR YEARS
I GOT INJURED IN A WORK PLACE..I CANT WALK BUT MAYBE 30 MIN BEFORE MY LEGS HURT SOOO
BAD I WISH THAT JERK WHOM STATED HE THOUGHT HUNTING WITH A CROSSBOW WAS BS..TRY MY PAIN DUDE..
I USE A CRANK SYSTEM ON MY TENPOINT HAND CRANK SO ITS WAY EASY TO COCK IT..AS FOR HUNTING IN MODERN SEASON IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGS UNDER WEAPONS IT LEGAL TO USE..I STILL TRY TO GET OUT A WALK I DONT ALWAYS SIT IN THE RIG BUT ITS NICE OPTION..I THINK MRS KANE IS A HERO AS FOR THE JERKS THAT THINK CROSSBOWS ARE BS I HOPE AND PRAY YOU NEVER
COME DOWN WITH A PAIN PROBLEM..IF IT WASNT FOR THIS PROGRAM I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO HUNT..ALSO IF I USED A GUN IT WOULD HURT ME EVEN MORE..
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Post by: saylean on November 12, 2008, 03:58:43 PM
If its legal, I have no problem with it at all.
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Post by: sisu on November 12, 2008, 04:46:50 PM
I am happy that the Law is written the way it is. As Carl stated, it allows hunters to continue hunting when otherwise they would not be able to. I am a disabled Hunter.. I hunt with a compound bow, I hunt with a rifle, I do not sit in and hunt from my vehicle even though I can. I do however utilize the Companion feature that it offers me. I have yet to have to have someone shoot an animal for me but They can accompany me into areas where they would otherwise not be able to go. It is a good thing this State looks out for Disabled Hunters in my opinion.
Ditto
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Post by: Ray on November 12, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
I think it's a good opportunity for disabled ONLY and also no scopes, no electronics.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 12, 2008, 04:53:02 PM
HEY TO ALL I POSTED THIS SUBJECT I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD ALREADY GET ATTENSION
FIRST OFF IM A DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTER..I WAS A COMPOUND HUNTER FOR YEARS
I GOT INJURED IN A WORK PLACE..I CANT WALK BUT MAYBE 30 MIN BEFORE MY LEGS HURT SOOO
BAD I WISH THAT JERK WHOM STATED HE THOUGHT HUNTING WITH A CROSSBOW WAS BS..TRY MY PAIN DUDE..
I USE A CRANK SYSTEM ON MY TENPOINT HAND CRANK SO ITS WAY EASY TO COCK IT..AS FOR HUNTING IN MODERN SEASON IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGS UNDER WEAPONS IT LEGAL TO USE..I STILL TRY TO GET OUT A WALK I DONT ALWAYS SIT IN THE RIG BUT ITS NICE OPTION..I THINK MRS KANE IS A HERO AS FOR THE JERKS THAT THINK CROSSBOWS ARE BS I HOPE AND PRAY YOU NEVER
COME DOWN WITH A PAIN PROBLEM..IF IT WASNT FOR THIS PROGRAM I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO HUNT..ALSO IF I USED A GUN IT WOULD HURT ME EVEN MORE..

Brenda Kane is quite the gal. She goes out of her way to assist Disabled Hunters. The State is Lucky to have folks like her.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: mossback91 on November 12, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
Never said hunting with a crossbow was bs just hunting during the archery seasons......... I have ran into so many *censored*s taking advantage of it.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: mossback91 on November 12, 2008, 05:46:44 PM
 I never said anythign about how disabled hunters travel which is what you are dealing with when talking about your pain of walking
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Kain on November 12, 2008, 06:05:07 PM
My dad had a shoulder surgery a few years back and every year it gets harder and harder for him to pull back his bow.  Someday he will need to give it up all together.  If he gets a note from his doctor we could continue to hunt archery (like we have been doing for 20 years).  If you think it is B.S. to want to hunt archery season with your family even if you have to use a crossbow I don't know what to say to you.  If they ever change the laws I would still hunt archery with him during modern firearms but I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with crossbows during archery season.  In fact I don't really see any advantage to using a crossbow over a compound and don't know why they are illegal to hunt with in the first place. 

It is illegal to hunt with a crossbow even in modern firearms season, unless you are disabled.

(d) It is illegal to use any device secured
to or supported by the bow for the purpose
of maintaining the bow at full draw or in
a firing position, except for hunters with
disabilities with archery special use permits
in compliance with WAC 232-12-054.
(e) It is illegal to have any electrical
equipment or device(s) attached to the bow
or arrow while hunting.
(f) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with
a crossbow, except for hunters with
disabilities with archery special use permits
in compliance with WAC 232-12-054.
(g) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any
bow or crossbow equipped with a scope.
Except hunters with disabilities who meet
the definition of being visually impaired in
WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special use
permit that would allow the use of scopes or
other visual aids. Contact the Department’s
ADA coordinator for further information.

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Post by: WASHBCBOOK on November 12, 2008, 06:06:02 PM
it kinda sounded that way if any person is caught hunting with a crossbow with-out the license
i spoke to a gamey..he said they will loose there hunting rights for a long time...
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: WASHBCBOOK on November 12, 2008, 06:20:38 PM
TO THE LAST PERSON YOU HAVE TO HAVE #1 A HUNTER COMPANION CARD
#2 THE COMPANION NEEDS TO BE WITHIN I THINK EYE SIGHT OR WITHIN SOME FEET 100 OR MORE..
IF THAT PERSON GOES OUT AND KILLS AN ELK FOR HER ITS POACHING AND IF ITS OVER SO MANY POINTS BIG BIG FINE..
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: backyard bucks on November 12, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
this is something i just started myself looking into.
same for me. work and injuries have made my shoulders at a point of needing replacement for both. i have all the paperwork for my limitations and what i should or shouldn't do. (from doctors and the state)
i still shoot my mathews and love it but getting out and shooting to maintain accuracy hurts like hell.
i feel if a person loves the sport of archery and loves to hunt that way then this would be a great solution to it.
and i will add since my age isn't up there they (docs) don't want or are pushing me to hold out for the replacement surgery for as long as possible.

or just keep doing what i have been after shooting all day at a range.. pop 4 liquid gel caps and good to go :dunno:
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Post by: KillBilly on November 12, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
TO THE LAST PERSON YOU HAVE TO HAVE #1 A HUNTER COMPANION CARD
#2 THE COMPANION NEEDS TO BE WITHIN I THINK EYE SIGHT OR WITHIN SOME FEET 100 OR MORE..
IF THAT PERSON GOES OUT AND KILLS AN ELK FOR HER ITS POACHING AND IF ITS OVER SO MANY POINTS BIG BIG FINE..


The actual proximity is limited to 1/4 mile and being in communication is recommended. No distance requirement when the companion is tracking a wounded animal for you
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 12, 2008, 07:11:41 PM
It appears that there a few folks here that are interested in the Disabled Hunter Program. I posted this link earlier and moving it back to the top.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/outreach/access/accessibility/eligibility.htm
 (http://wdfw.wa.gov/outreach/access/accessibility/eligibility.htm)

Brenda Kane is the person in charge and she is there to help, and I do mean help. She does not discourage or in anyway attempt to keep people out of the program. She will mail you the package of information. You have to do the rest.
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Post by: backyard bucks on November 12, 2008, 07:17:55 PM
thanks for the info.
i downloaded the info from the washington game and fish website but that is as far as i have gone.
i didn't know if i should persue it or not since i can still pull my bow. (with pain) but still can.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 12, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
thanks for the info.
i downloaded the info from the washington game and fish website but that is as far as i have gone.
i didn't know if i should persue it or not since i can still pull my bow. (with pain) but still can.


Discuss it with your doctor and let him help you decide. It doesn't mean you have to start using a cross bow. You will also be able to put in for road closure access permits. It does not hurt to begin the process.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Jerbear on November 12, 2008, 09:20:59 PM

I think its bs! I think they should hunt with a rifle if they cant use a normal bow

Moss
This was your statement.  The thread is about disabled hunters using a crossbow.  You have insulted the disabled hunters on this site.  Now you are trying to wiggle out of it.  Man up and apologize.  Then again you might just be acting your age!
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: mossback91 on November 12, 2008, 09:22:57 PM

I think its bs! I think they should hunt with a rifle if they cant use a normal bow

Moss
This was your statement.  The thread is about disabled hunters using a crossbow.  You have insulted the disabled hunters on this site.  Now you are trying to wiggle out of it.  Man up and apologize.  Then again you might just be acting your age!

Not trying to wiggle out of anything!
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on November 12, 2008, 09:35:26 PM
Here is my take, I am a disabled vet, i do not abuse the system. I do not feel the game department shoudl make any special consession for me. I am no more special than you are. I may pay a little less for my license than you but i do not deserve any mor eright than you. And hunting to me is not all about the kill. Hunting to me is the ability to be in the field. The day i can not cary a gun or pull a bow back will be a hurtful one, but it will not be the end of it for me. I will still be in the field, with my family and friends.

Everybody always thinks that it should be about them, well it is not. It is about the masses, they are the ones footing the bill. Not the single person who needs the special season.
DO you really think the game department should change everything for .01% of the population??? I do not expect them to change it for me. I make my opportunity, i do not expect the game department to make it for me.
Sorry if this ruffles some feathers but that is the way i feel.
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Post by: mossback91 on November 12, 2008, 09:52:22 PM
I like the way you think wdfw I have a long time family friend who is the same way and becoming very disabled born with a messe dup hip and a leg that is alot shorter than the other this causes him to become sore quickly and he can not go long distances at all so he hunts with in his limits and there no way in hell he is going to get a disabled tag. Gotta admire someone who does that
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: backyard bucks on November 12, 2008, 10:12:56 PM
i have researched it for myself. haven't done it yet because i'm still able to do it. with pain but still can.
probably because i'm still young enough to do it
but
for you guys thinking that a person is weak or just trying to get something out of the system to benifit just themselves is plain ass stupid.
nobody mentioned special seasons at all just a different option of weapon or method of doing what we all love to do on this site.
we have the privledge of youth still but what happens when we get to be more seasoned???
the sport needs to have all involved for the future of it. as it is the numbers of hunters are dropping year after year.
and let me guess your comment to that is going to be "great less people in the woods"  and i'm guessing that because of your earlier posts (ignorance and all)  sorry if i'm ruffling feathers!
but in that case you are the ones thinking about yourselves and not the masses who all love the sport.

like i said i don't have a permit and who knows if i ever will apply for one but to exclude those who can't do it or need special equipment to do it is wrong in my opinion and not good attitudes for the sport. just my honest opinion
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: backyard bucks on November 12, 2008, 10:17:52 PM
wdfw hates me.
i do thank you for your service to our county!!!! honestly thanks

and you have a right to your opinion but don't you think everyone has a right to be able to enjoy the sport??
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: SHANE(WA) on November 12, 2008, 11:36:09 PM
You can in washington with a bow tag, fairly easy to do, dont have to be handicapped either, a injury or surgery can get you the permit, talked to a couple of guys who love to bow hunt but, broke there shoulder and couldnt draw their bows, so they got a permit and used a crossbow.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: rover747 on November 13, 2008, 12:03:25 AM
None wrong if disabled  person hunt with crossbow ,just my  :twocents:
I don't see much advantage for  him/her over me ,when i hunt bow.He/her need to find animal and sneak up on it ,before making any shot . Well you all know ,this is not easy part. We live only once ,and if some one who is disabled ,enjoy do it ,so be it .So in my opinion ,crossbow should be ok to use if person disabled. No offense to anyone . 8)
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: robb92 on November 13, 2008, 02:52:28 AM
I dont have a problem with someone using a crossbow even if they were not disabled. A lot of states back east allow crossbow hunting during archery season with out being disabled, does it add an andvantage to a hunter? Nope. I have a crossbow and my daughter uses it because she can't pull back a bow to the min. of 55lbs yet, which is the requirment for deer hunting in MD and VA. 
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 13, 2008, 11:09:45 AM
Little Dave and I have discussed this matter. "Percentage of lawful hunters is so low in this state" He used the word "Lawful" as meaning "licensed". He is correct we do have a low percentage of the States Population purchasing licenses. The issue now becomes how/what do we do to bring that percentage up and how do we improve our image when we have lots of visibility on poaching....

I am straight now and am going to delete my posts on being insulted... a little communication resolved it.

Thanks Little Dave
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Post by: deaddog on November 13, 2008, 11:39:12 AM
I think we should do what we can to help get disabled hunters out in the woods, whatever it takes to help them enjoy this great thing called hunting. And as for disabled vets, (you to WDFW,even though you may disagree.) the price all disabled veterans paid should be enough. I honestly belive their licences and all tags should be free for life. small price to pay for the rest of the population in return for what they have given. Ill tell you what WDFW, it would be an honor if you let me pay for your licence next year!
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: NW-Eric on November 13, 2008, 11:42:12 AM
i think its fine for them to use them i have nothing agaisnt it... but personally if i had a choice i would stay with my regular bow, walking around with a cross bow is like walking around with a big awkward loaded gun in my opinion and the shorter arrows dont mantain the same energy.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 13, 2008, 12:41:12 PM
I think we should do what we can to help get disabled hunters out in the woods, whatever it takes to help them enjoy this great thing called hunting. And as for disabled vets, (you to WDFW,even though you may disagree.) the price all disabled veterans paid should be enough. I honestly belive their licences and all tags should be free for life. small price to pay for the rest of the population in return for what they have given. Ill tell you what WDFW, it would be an honor if you let me pay for your licence next year!

Qualified Disabled Vets get a reduced license fee where otherwise disabled persons do not. The Qualifications are in the link I posted in an earlier post.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: buck470 on November 13, 2008, 01:13:14 PM
Not being a Bow hunter, or having researched a crossbow.

What are the Main advantages to using a Crossbow??

Unless there is a Huge Advantage, what's the harm? Someone mentioned Bows vs Cross bow being comparable in feet per second, someone else mentioned the bolt not sustaining like an arrow?

Can someone tell me the FACTS (not opinions) Bows vs Crossbow.
Besides the actual Draw, having a Cross bow already drawn is an advantage.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on November 13, 2008, 02:20:32 PM
Not being a Bow hunter, or having researched a crossbow.

What are the Main advantages to using a Crossbow??

Unless there is a Huge Advantage, what's the harm? Someone mentioned Bows vs Cross bow being comparable in feet per second, someone else mentioned the bolt not sustaining like an arrow?

Can someone tell me the FACTS (not opinions) Bows vs Crossbow.
Besides the actual Draw, having a Cross bow already drawn is an advantage.
Other than it is easier for some disabled hunters to use and they can shoot from a vehicle as long as it's clear of the road, I don't think there is an advantage. I believe that some could argue an advantage in aiming it but the accuracy isn't equal to a compound at longer distances
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: buck470 on November 13, 2008, 02:33:01 PM

That's kinda what i was going for, If theres not a huge advantage, what's the big Deal, other than wanting less people in your area? everybody wants that, modern, muzzy and archery.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: WASHBCBOOK on November 13, 2008, 03:33:46 PM
HELLO TO ALL
IVE USED A COMPOUND BOW AS I STATED IN MY COUPLE LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC..ANYWAYS THE BIG BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME IS THAT WHEN THERE IS AN ELK OR DEER IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU DONT HAVE A GOOD CLEAN SHOT..THE CROSSBOW IS COCKED AND READY TO GO..COMPOUND YOU HAVE TO HOLD AND HOLD AND HOLD IF YOU` ALL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
THE SECOND IS THEY ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE WITH PIN SIGHTS..I HAVE A TELE POLE THAT GOES TO THE GROUND (WHICH IS VERY NICE SOMETIMES)..
3RD IS SHOOT FASTER AND STRAIGHTER..
HOPE THIS HELP OUT
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: brokenbone on November 13, 2008, 11:46:21 PM
my FIL has no left hand.  it was degloved by a tire machine about 20 years ago.  he refused to get a disabled permit.  he has gone threw Colon cancer and has a bag now.  he still refuses.  he went about 100 feet from the truck and sat all weekend long.  in the same spot.  it was hell for him but he did it.  coodoes to him.  the feeling i get from him and from most of the people that i meet and the posts here is that the majority does not give a crap.  they still want to hunt and want to be treated fairly.  if there comes a time when hunting is jeopardised by there afflictions what ever they may be then there is justification.  i tried to get rick to get the archery disabled permit that would allow the cross bow and then my bro in law and rick and i could have a great time in the woods.  he said no and he went modern.  no problem  i hope the people that need the special adaptations to there seasons get it to keep them hunting.  living with some of the pain and the age inspired limitations would be disheartening.  knowing that hunting was a thing of the past would darken all my days. my :twocents:
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: edmondshunter on November 15, 2008, 11:06:08 AM
Its cool with me, Ive never seen a disabled hunter in the woods, so if it gets them out I'm all for it.

 I don't think its an unfair advantage at all.  Folks with disabilities amaze me all the time over coming hardships that would stop most of us in our tracks.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Palmer on November 19, 2008, 05:25:56 AM
My Dad is in his 60's and tore his elbow.  He can't pull back a bow so I'm in favor of crossbows for disabled hunters who can't pull back a recurve or compound.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: MountainWalk on November 22, 2008, 10:29:42 PM
I know its kind of an old poll, but I don't think crossbows have any place in any hunting at all. I'm kinda different than most, and I expect lots of hate post for my thoughts.  If I can't go out and hunt under my own power under the same laws as everyone else, then Im ready to hang it up.  It's kind of like how some oldsters say"If it wasn't for this game farm, I wouldnt be able to enjoy hunting."
Well, hunters pride themselves as naturalist, and they should. But, the whole tenant of hunting as a management tool is to remove surplus animals, the ones that may not make it.  Once you can't do it without special consideration, it becomes artificial to me, and more about killing, rather than being able to fully enjoy the hunt.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Gutpile on November 24, 2008, 05:06:28 PM
Finally read this post out of boredom. I'm glad to see so many of you feel the same as me. I simply could care less. If they want to use a crossbow I have no problem. I love you young uns who see things in black and white. I hope the day never comes that you are classified as handicapped. You may have a different attitude if that were to happen. It simply boggles my small mind that ANYONE would have a problem with handicapped folks using crossbows. Give me a break. Now if it were Indians, or mexicans, or Irish, or Italian only I could at least see your point. Geez, it's true "youth is wasted on the young". You act like they're ruining it for you or something. I've seen some damn nice animals taken with bows on this site. Not to mention you archers get to hunt elk in this state when elk hunting is at it's best and your actually going to bitch because a handicapped guy is shooting a crossbow? WOW!
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: deaddog on November 25, 2008, 08:49:34 AM
Finally read this post out of boredom. I'm glad to see so many of you feel the same as me. I simply could care less. If they want to use a crossbow I have no problem. I love you young uns who see things in black and white. I hope the day never comes that you are classified as handicapped. You may have a different attitude if that were to happen. It simply boggles my small mind that ANYONE would have a problem with handicapped folks using crossbows. Give me a break. Now if it were Indians, or mexicans, or Irish, or Italian only I could at least see your point. Geez, it's true "youth is wasted on the young". You act like they're ruining it for you or something. I've seen some damn nice animals taken with bows on this site. Not to mention you archers get to hunt elk in this state when elk hunting is at it's best and your actually going to bitch because a handicapped guy is shooting a crossbow? WOW!
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Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Hermit on December 14, 2008, 05:16:16 PM
I have a disabled license but don't hunt with a crossbow. There's not that much opportunity for disabled hunters, so if they qualify I don't have a problem with it.
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: robb92 on December 16, 2008, 10:36:54 PM
I know its kind of an old poll, but I don't think crossbows have any place in any hunting at all. I'm kinda different than most, and I expect lots of hate post for my thoughts.  If I can't go out and hunt under my own power under the same laws as everyone else, then Im ready to hang it up.  It's kind of like how some oldsters say"If it wasn't for this game farm, I wouldnt be able to enjoy hunting."
Well, hunters pride themselves as naturalist, and they should. But, the whole tenant of hunting as a management tool is to remove surplus animals, the ones that may not make it.  Once you can't do it without special consideration, it becomes artificial to me, and more about killing, rather than being able to fully enjoy the hunt.

That is your choice, I respect it but do not agree with it. Crossbows do have a place in hunting they have been around just as long as recurve or longbow and have been used in hunting for centuries.

 If you get to the point where you can't go out and hunt under your own power you will give it all up, that is a dumb statement! Hunting is not just about going out and killing an animal, it is about being out in Gods country and enjoying it, just being able to go and sit on a damn stump with a weapon and look at nature is what it is all about! I would rather be pushed out in a wheel chair to hunt than sit on my couch and watch hunting videos, and if it gets to the point where I am disabled them I will apply for a permit if it not legal to use in washington state
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: dbllunger on December 26, 2008, 09:38:47 PM
I think a truely disabled hunter should have a lot of options much more then others.  Disabled does not mean a fat ass, drunk, lazy, or other self caused probloems that some take advantage of.   
Title: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 26, 2008, 09:51:22 PM
First off amen dbllunger... way to many people abuse the term disabled.. plenty of fat ass people are deemed that because they cant walk... not ok.. for those of you that are legitametly disabled.... much diff.. both my parents are and my father is a Vet, my gardfather was as well.... I think its great that could still hunt if they wanted to, I have no issues with a crossbow, they have less range then a very skilled archer with a compound.... its all about enjoying the sport and nature, as long as you have a heartbeat nothing should keep you from that...
Title: Re: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2008, 10:36:18 PM
I know its kind of an old poll, but I don't think crossbows have any place in any hunting at all. I'm kinda different than most, and I expect lots of hate post for my thoughts.  If I can't go out and hunt under my own power under the same laws as everyone else, then Im ready to hang it up.  It's kind of like how some oldsters say"If it wasn't for this game farm, I wouldnt be able to enjoy hunting."
Well, hunters pride themselves as naturalist, and they should. But, the whole tenant of hunting as a management tool is to remove surplus animals, the ones that may not make it.  Once you can't do it without special consideration, it becomes artificial to me, and more about killing, rather than being able to fully enjoy the hunt.
your mind will change with age,your youth will evade you one day.Intelligence will catch up with you.
Title: Re: RE: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: KillBilly on December 27, 2008, 09:05:55 AM
I know its kind of an old poll, but I don't think crossbows have any place in any hunting at all. I'm kinda different than most, and I expect lots of hate post for my thoughts.  If I can't go out and hunt under my own power under the same laws as everyone else, then Im ready to hang it up.  It's kind of like how some oldsters say"If it wasn't for this game farm, I wouldnt be able to enjoy hunting."
Well, hunters pride themselves as naturalist, and they should. But, the whole tenant of hunting as a management tool is to remove surplus animals, the ones that may not make it.  Once you can't do it without special consideration, it becomes artificial to me, and more about killing, rather than being able to fully enjoy the hunt.

No hate here because you said the key word "LAW" it is in fact a law and it applies to you as well. So in reality you have the picture. By the way, I am a Handicapped hunter and chose to use my Compound bow until such time as I can no longer pull it.
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: gasman on December 27, 2008, 09:24:47 AM
I also believe we should do as much as possible for dis abled hunters and if that means crossbow, so be it.

I have watched my dad go from hiking in to area to hunt but not being able to walk 50 yards with out sever pain. He loves to hunt and we love having him in hunt with us, but he now just sits home and watches hunting on TV. If he gets a chance (which he has done in the past) he goes to Minn. and hunts with his brother. They sit on a farmers field and shoot deer for the freezer. He does not have that option here, for we do not know any one that would allow him to hunt private property.

This state does not do enough for disabled hunter in my opinion.

There is a small number of areas that the disabled can hunt with only minimal pressure from non-disabled hunter's, but they are only minimal opportunity's. We as non dis abled hunters can hunt about any place, we just walk, if we cant drive there or ride a horse or a 4X4. many disabled hunters do not have that opportunity. Some can't ride a horse or walk far or even Ride a quad for long distance. There are some opportunity's for them but not nearly enough.

I have see both sides of this discussion and as a able-body hunter i am on the side of disabled hunters.
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: jrebel on December 28, 2008, 12:10:32 PM
bow for me, however when i get older and cannot draw a bow as easily then crossbow would be nice.  I tuly believe that crossbow should be an option. :dunno:
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: addicted on December 28, 2008, 12:23:01 PM
isnt a crossbow a hard thing to set. dont you use your legs to push it away from you. Wouldnt that make it hard for a person who is dissabled say,  from the waste down to set it.

can't let them use a gun for archery season?
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: robb92 on January 03, 2009, 01:26:36 AM
They are hard to cock with out the aid of a cocker. These very from a pully cable system to a hand crank. Some of the newer crossbows comes with autocockers.
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on January 13, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
I have no issue with it at all, but I have yet to see to many guys that can not pull back a 40lb compound..... I know plenty with torn tendons etc and they can still do it, im sure there are some that cant but when I hear a guy say my dad etc cant cause of a injury I start to wonder.. you dont have to shoot 60-70lbs to kill a deer or elk
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: jdb on January 13, 2009, 07:04:26 PM
how much advantage does a cross bow realy give you?
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Gobble on January 13, 2009, 07:10:47 PM
I'm 100% for it.  ;)
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: robb92 on January 14, 2009, 08:24:24 PM
Crossbow does not give you any more of an advantge to shoot a deer then a regular bow, in fact it would limit the distance of your shot. With a crossbow at farther distances you get less penatration compaired to a compound.  I have one and limit my shots to 30 yards max! The other guy I hunt with can't pull back a compound and uses a crossbow, he also limits his shot to 30 yards max.

The biggest argument for crossbows is that when you shoot them you hold them like a rifle. No different if you use a draw lock system that is legal is some state on your compound bow. To me it seems like a lot of people just don't like progress, just like the inline 209 mz people don't like it because it improves performance of the gun.
Title: Re: WHAT DO WASHINGTON HUNTERS THINK ABOUT DISABLED CROSSBOW HUNTERS
Post by: Tom Tamer on January 25, 2009, 06:47:03 PM
Persoanlly they should let them if not anyone who wants too. One more way for the Goobermint to infringe more on our God given right to hunt

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