Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
"One discover pass must be issued at no additional cost to a purchaser who spends more than two hundred dollars during any one transaction for recreational licenses, permits, tags, or other documents issued pursuant to chapter 77.32 RCW. The two hundred dollar threshold includes all department of fish and wildlife recreational documents purchased in the transaction, inclusive of any application and transaction fees."
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2199&year=2013 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2199&year=2013)
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
HB 2199 prefiled today by Reps Blake, Wilcox, and Hurst would provide a complimentary/free Discover Pass to those who purchase more than $200 worth of WDFW licenses, tags, and permits IN ONE TRANSACTION. So this means if you divvy up your licenses purchases and spend over $200 you will NOT receive a free pass, but if you go in and make one large purchase of $200+ worth WDFW licenses, etc then you WILL receive a free pass.$200? :chuckle:
"One discover pass must be issued at no additional cost to a purchaser who spends more than two hundred dollars during any one transaction for recreational licenses, permits, tags, or other documents issued pursuant to chapter 77.32 RCW. The two hundred dollar threshold includes all department of fish and wildlife recreational documents purchased in the transaction, inclusive of any application and transaction fees."
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2199&year=2013 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2199&year=2013)
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2014, 11:33:46 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on January 10, 2014, 11:34:59 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on January 10, 2014, 11:35:29 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on January 10, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Post by: fair-chase on January 10, 2014, 11:38:21 AM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 11:39:02 AM
Who could possibly be against this passing?
I added a poll so lets see. I have a feeling there may be some people who feel they should get a free pass for any license purchase, not just those over $200...
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 10, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
Who could possibly be against this passing?
State Parks
Voted yes, but the threshold should be a tad lower unless it is by TRANSACTION not per Wild ID transaction. Mom, Dad should be able to combine family purchases into groups to reach the threshold for complementary pass...........Yes/ NO??????
Post by: jrebel on January 10, 2014, 11:41:20 AM
Post by: NW-GSP on January 10, 2014, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 11:42:22 AM
Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
Good point. It is definitely going to be a loss of revenue for all agencies involved. And since State Parks gets 84% of the revenue they will be the ones that complain the most. Every time the legislature proposes an exemption (vets, disabled, etc) State Parks is there to cry. 1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:
Post by: Mike450r on January 10, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Would this count if I was buying both my tags and my wife's tags at the same time?
I read it as yours or your wife's would have to cost $200 but if you are at $199 and your wife at $199 then no.
I have to edit as it isn't as clear when I re-read it. I purchase online and have to do a separate purchase for every license holder so that may make them separate purchases for these purposes as well, but it does say licenses so that needs clarification.
Post by: Band on January 10, 2014, 11:43:52 AM
Post by: snowpack on January 10, 2014, 11:44:37 AM
not against, but would like to see it be $200 for the season year, not $200 at once.Who could possibly be against this passing?
I added a poll so lets see. I have a feeling there may be some people who feel they should get a free pass for any license purchase, not just those over $200...
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 11:45:26 AM
Bummer, hopefully they saved some of the $$millions$$ they stole from unaware license tab purchasers. :twocents:Who could possibly be against this passing?
State Parks
Post by: washelkhunter on January 10, 2014, 11:46:02 AM
Who could possibly be against this passing?
I added a poll so lets see. I have a feeling there may be some people who feel they should get a free pass for any license purchase, not just those over $200...
I firmly believe all hunters and fishers in Wa should recieve 1 complimentary DP with every license purchased per wild id.
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 11:48:11 AM
Would this count if I was buying both my tags and my wife's tags at the same time?
That's a very good question. There is no definition of "transaction" under the Discover Pass section of laws. It definitely needs to be redefined in the legislative committee process.
Personally to me it looks like if all your license purchases are in one transaction (such as only swiping the debit card once) then you would qualify. The bill doesn't say the $200 must be for one person.
Definitely needs to be clarified :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 11:48:38 AM
+1, but as said earlier, it's a start.Who could possibly be against this passing?
I added a poll so lets see. I have a feeling there may be some people who feel they should get a free pass for any license purchase, not just those over $200...
I firmly believe all hunters and fishers in Wa should recieve 1 complimentary DP with every license purchased per wild id.
Post by: Band on January 10, 2014, 11:51:42 AM
1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:And how much do we spend on DP administration, signage and in human effort to catch violators? We would be money ahead by having a couple less WDFW Officers around and letting them concentrate on real infractions, like wildlife violations. WDFW Officers should not be "meter maids".
Post by: washelkhunter on January 10, 2014, 11:52:31 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 10, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Would this count if I was buying both my tags and my wife's tags at the same time?
Definitely needs to be clarified :tup:
Sure Does bigtex!!
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 11:55:17 AM
Are those positions that were created as a result of the Discover Pass?1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
Post by: DoubleJ on January 10, 2014, 11:56:37 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
I'm disabled and it is VERY hard for me to spend $200 on licenses in one transaction and impossible to justify the cost when I could purchase my tags and a discover pass for less than half of that.That wouldn't necessarily mean that you would deny those that actually could take advantage of it by voting against it though right?
Post by: Band on January 10, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: snowpack on January 10, 2014, 12:03:36 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 10, 2014, 12:03:53 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 12:11:15 PM
Are those positions that were created as a result of the Discover Pass?1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
Yes. They are positions that are funded/created out of the 8% of Discover Pass funding that WDFW gets. Basically the way state funding works is you either get positions for a specific role (the most typical route) or you just get positions. Since these positions were funded by the DP, WDFW must then "certify" that the equivalent of 1 or 2 officer's time is spent on enforcing Discover Pass regulations. Now this doesn't mean if an officer's position is funded by the DP that all they can do is enforce DP, what it means is as a whole the agency must enforce DP to the equivalent of one position. WDFW Officers work 171 hours a month. So if the Discover Pass funded one WDFW Officer position, then statewide WDFW Officers must work 171 hours of DP a month, if it's two positions then its 342 hours a month.
Now this isn't dedicated only thing enforced is DP time. A WDFW Officer pulling into a lake with a WDFW boat launch who checks vehicles AND fisherman at the same time can account his time to the DP enforcement time. So when you really think about it, getting 171 hours of DP time a month is VERY easy.
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
They wouldn't get any less money from me since I won't buy one. :tup:Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
Good point. It is definitely going to be a loss of revenue for all agencies involved. And since State Parks gets 84% of the revenue they will be the ones that complain the most. Every time the legislature proposes an exemption (vets, disabled, etc) State Parks is there to cry. 1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 12:13:44 PM
Thank you for the explanation. :tup:Are those positions that were created as a result of the Discover Pass?1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
Yes. They are positions that are funded out of the 8% of Discover Pass funding that WDFW gets. Basically the way state funding works is you either get positions for a specific role (the most typical route) or you just get positions. Since these positions were funded by the DP, WDFW must then "certify" that the equivalent of 1 or 2 officer's time is spent on enforcing Discover Pass regulations. Now this doesn't mean if an officer's position is funded by the DP that all they can do is enforce DP, what it means is as a whole the agency must enforce DP to the equivalent of one position. WDFW Officers work 171 hours a month. So if the Discover Pass funded one WDFW Officer position, then statewide WDFW Officers must work 171 hours of DP a month, if it's two positions then its 342 hours a month.
Now this isn't dedicated only thing enforced is DP time. A WDFW Officer pulling into a lake with a WDFW boat launch who checks vehicles AND fisherman at the same time can account his time to the DP enforcement time. So when you really think about it, getting 171 hours of DP time a month is VERY easy.
Post by: BIGINNER on January 10, 2014, 12:13:58 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 12:16:49 PM
I am for it if its $200 for the year, not at once. I'm always on a tight budget, so I buy my smallgame and bird licenses and fishing license in april, nut I don't buy big game until near the end of the summer when I know for sure if i'll do any big game hunting.So I will pose the same question in post #25 to you too.
Post by: jackmaster on January 10, 2014, 12:21:29 PM
Post by: SquirrelHunter on January 10, 2014, 12:26:11 PM
Post by: Blacklab on January 10, 2014, 12:46:30 PM
It would save me a couple :twocents:. Which is always a good thing
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 12:49:19 PM
Im for this but would like to see an exception for the disabled hunters, to get everything I would hunt for during the year it would cost me $117.65 include my wife it would be about $150.00 if bought at once under the disability fees. If I bought these under resident fees it would be about $300.00, So it would be nice to see a reduced total required for the extra pass so those who pay less due to reduced fees can take part in the deal as well.Good idea.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 10, 2014, 12:51:03 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
If they want to reward those who by hunting and/or fishing licenses, just make it so the WDFW pass is also valid on DNR land.
For state parks the Discover pass should be required either way.
Post by: BIGINNER on January 10, 2014, 01:00:49 PM
I'd have to vote no on this one. At first it sounded good, but it doesn't seem fair to require that $200 be spent at once. So some could get a free Discover pass, while others would not. It also would not be fair for the purchase of licenses for multiple people to count towards the $200.
If they want to reward those who by hunting and/or fishing licenses, just make it so the WDFW pass is also valid on DNR land.
For state parks the Discover pass should be required either way.
:yeah:
Post by: BIGINNER on January 10, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
I am for it if its $200 for the year, not at once. I'm always on a tight budget, so I buy my smallgame and bird licenses and fishing license in april, nut I don't buy big game until near the end of the summer when I know for sure if i'll do any big game hunting.So I will pose the same question in post #25 to you too.
why not just pass something that works for more people? I don't like supporting half-ass garbage
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 01:21:01 PM
I agree, but you didn't state that in your other post so I was just wondering. :dunno:I am for it if its $200 for the year, not at once. I'm always on a tight budget, so I buy my smallgame and bird licenses and fishing license in april, nut I don't buy big game until near the end of the summer when I know for sure if i'll do any big game hunting.So I will pose the same question in post #25 to you too.
why not just pass something that works for more people? I don't like supporting half-ass garbage
Post by: Whitpirate on January 10, 2014, 01:27:49 PM
Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
Good point. It is definitely going to be a loss of revenue for all agencies involved. And since State Parks gets 84% of the revenue they will be the ones that complain the most. Every time the legislature proposes an exemption (vets, disabled, etc) State Parks is there to cry. 1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:
Start citing the bird-watchers, hikers, etc.... I'm confident the increase in fines would be greater than the loss of hunting Discover Pass or are you saying basically that the hunting community supports the damn thing?
Post by: buckfvr on January 10, 2014, 01:29:24 PM
Post by: Jingles on January 10, 2014, 02:06:01 PM
No make the buttholes pay that don't hunt or fish
Post by: buckfvr on January 10, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
Post by: Special T on January 10, 2014, 02:16:59 PM
Currently is your buy ANY fishing lic you get a VAP for wdfw lands UNLESS you use state parks for fishing your not likely to buy one. IF your a hunter and hunt lands that need the Discover pass likely you will wait until later in the year to purchase it. (I always do)
If you buy the whole Shebang the first part of the year 3/4 of the money the state gets is 6 months BEFORE you can actually use it (hunting tags etc) Cash flow is an important part of any business especially a cash strapped one.
This also gives the Furious sportsman (like me) a way to get a DP with out actually purchasing one... Mostly because the value of paying your $150 early is worth something to the state. :twocents:
Post by: vandeman17 on January 10, 2014, 02:17:57 PM
Post by: akirkland on January 10, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 10, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Yes!!! It is very easy to spend well over $200 each year on your license and permits.
It is easy but for me, and I think many others, it is broke down in smaller purchases. We wouldn't qualify with the current proposal.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 10, 2014, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 02:44:25 PM
Start citing the bird-watchers, hikers, etc.... I'm confident the increase in fines would be greater than the loss of hunting Discover Pass or are you saying basically that the hunting community supports the damn thing?Good point. It is definitely going to be a loss of revenue for all agencies involved. And since State Parks gets 84% of the revenue they will be the ones that complain the most. Every time the legislature proposes an exemption (vets, disabled, etc) State Parks is there to cry. 1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
No I am not saying the hunting community supports the pass, but every exemption to the pass will result in a loss of revenue to the pass, its common sense. Every user group says that they are being unfairly targeted, you could go to the large DNR lot on Tiger Mountain and write every biker/hiker a ticket and they will say the state is unfairly targeting hikers/bikers. Go to a boat launch and it's unfairly targeting fishermen/boaters.
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 02:48:32 PM
Start citing the bird-watchers, hikers, etc.... I'm confident the increase in fines would be greater than the loss of hunting Discover Pass or are you saying basically that the hunting community supports the damn thing?Good point. It is definitely going to be a loss of revenue for all agencies involved. And since State Parks gets 84% of the revenue they will be the ones that complain the most. Every time the legislature proposes an exemption (vets, disabled, etc) State Parks is there to cry. 1 or 2 WDFW Officer positions are funded by the Discover Pass :twocents:Who could possibly be against this passing?State Parks
No I am not saying the hunting community supports the pass, but every exemption to the pass will result in a loss of revenue to the pass, its common sense.
Not necessarily BT, there are those of us that will qualify for the included DP that otherwise would not purchase one. I know a lot of people that will qualify by spending $200 that have never purchased the pass.
Post by: washelkhunter on January 10, 2014, 02:52:45 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 02:54:14 PM
Not necessarily BT, there are those of us that will qualify for the included DP that otherwise would not purchase one. I know a lot of people that will qualify by spending $200 that have never purchased the pass.
If you've never purchased one and this year you get a free one then yes obviously there is no revenue loss. But if you've purchased one every year and this year it's free then obviously there's a revenue loss.
Post by: Curly on January 10, 2014, 02:55:44 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 02:57:09 PM
I'm not positive about this, but I'm not sure you can buy a fishing license and your hunting licenses/tags in one transaction. I seem to remember having to buy the fishing license separately online because it wouldn't let me do both at the same time. Maybe going to the store, it would be one transaction. :dunno:
You can buy every license known to man at once
Post by: washelkhunter on January 10, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
I'm not positive about this, but I'm not sure you can buy a fishing license and your hunting licenses/tags in one transaction. I seem to remember having to buy the fishing license separately online because it wouldn't let me do both at the same time. Maybe going to the store, it would be one transaction. :dunno:
You can do it all at once online.
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
Right, my point being that you can't simply assume that each free DP issued with a $200 purchase is a net loss of previous revenues generated. ;)Not necessarily BT, there are those of us that will qualify for the included DP that otherwise would not purchase one. I know a lot of people that will qualify by spending $200 that have never purchased the pass.
If you've never purchased one and this year you get a free one then yes obviously there is no revenue loss. But if you've purchased one every year and this year it's free then obviously there's a revenue loss.
Post by: SuperMag on January 10, 2014, 02:58:59 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 02:59:47 PM
Right, my point being that you can't simply assume that each free DP issued with a $200 purchase is a net loss of previous revenues generated. ;)Not necessarily BT, there are those of us that will qualify for the included DP that otherwise would not purchase one. I know a lot of people that will qualify by spending $200 that have never purchased the pass.
If you've never purchased one and this year you get a free one then yes obviously there is no revenue loss. But if you've purchased one every year and this year it's free then obviously there's a revenue loss.
Correct, but there will be a revenue loss to some extent.
Post by: Curly on January 10, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I'm not positive about this, but I'm not sure you can buy a fishing license and your hunting licenses/tags in one transaction. I seem to remember having to buy the fishing license separately online because it wouldn't let me do both at the same time. Maybe going to the store, it would be one transaction. :dunno:
You can buy every license known to man at once
Ok. I'll try to do it online again this year and see if I can do it this time. :tup:
Post by: fireweed on January 10, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
PS
Don't forget to comment on bill 2150. It would virtually guarantee all landowners charge $25 and require permits for entry. Again, a "try" to improve access that is poorly thought out.
Post by: Hunterman on January 10, 2014, 03:29:14 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: trophyhunt on January 10, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
i also believe its half azz, they could lower it to 120.00.that would be better.I am for it if its $200 for the year, not at once. I'm always on a tight budget, so I buy my smallgame and bird licenses and fishing license in april, nut I don't buy big game until near the end of the summer when I know for sure if i'll do any big game hunting.So I will pose the same question in post #25 to you too.
why not just pass something that works for more people? I don't like supporting half-ass garbage
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
My question is, What person in their right mind would spend $200 in this state just to get a "Free Discover Pass". Its just another way this state is trying to get more of your money without returning something of equal to or greater value. More money grubbing.No one would, but that's not the point. Many hunters spend in excess of $200 on licenses and then have to spend another $30 for a Discover Pass.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Hunterman on January 10, 2014, 03:54:06 PM
My question is, What person in their right mind would spend $200 in this state just to get a "Free Discover Pass". Its just another way this state is trying to get more of your money without returning something of equal to or greater value. More money grubbing.No one would, but that's not the point. Many hunters spend in excess of $200 on licenses and then have to spend another $30 for a Discover Pass.
Hunterman(Tony)
Sorry to disagree, but that is the point. You MUST spend $200 to get your free pass. BS, like I said just another way for this money grubbing state to get more, and give very little if nothing at all.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 03:56:38 PM
:yeah:My question is, What person in their right mind would spend $200 in this state just to get a "Free Discover Pass". Its just another way this state is trying to get more of your money without returning something of equal to or greater value. More money grubbing.No one would, but that's not the point. Many hunters spend in excess of $200 on licenses and then have to spend another $30 for a Discover Pass.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
You asked why someone would spend $200 "just to get a Discover Pass". No one spends $200 "just to get a Discover Pass". Lots of people spend $200 for licenses, and think it would be reasonable to not pay additional money for a Discover Pass.My question is, What person in their right mind would spend $200 in this state just to get a "Free Discover Pass". Its just another way this state is trying to get more of your money without returning something of equal to or greater value. More money grubbing.No one would, but that's not the point. Many hunters spend in excess of $200 on licenses and then have to spend another $30 for a Discover Pass.
Hunterman(Tony)
Sorry to disagree, but that is the point. You MUST spend $200 to get your free pass. BS, like I said just another way for this money grubbing state to get more, and give very little if nothing at all.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: buckfvr on January 10, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
Thanks again bt for being so thick skinned......my wife would never tolerate all the whining and bellyachin...............not mine anyway...........
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2014, 04:14:32 PM
This thread is pretty strong evidence it will die. It's not perfect. The amount should be lower. It should be spread over the entire hunting cycle. It should include family purchases. It should only be available to purchasers of certain tags. Etc.
Post by: Buzz2401 on January 10, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
Post by: bigtex on January 10, 2014, 04:34:39 PM
A well intentioned bill, intended to reduce the burden on hunters.
This thread is pretty strong evidence it will die. It's not perfect. The amount should be lower. It should be spread over the entire hunting cycle. It should include family purchases. It should only be available to purchasers of certain tags. Etc.
The way I look at it is its a start. It will never be to the point of buy a hunting license, get a free Discover Pass. If you guys remember, it was hard just to get legislation for a free WDFW pass with a license when the idea of a Discover Pass first came out. Now all of a sudden you think you're going to get a free pass because you got a big game license?
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3 x 13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4 x 7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
Post by: snowpack on January 10, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-I think the only special apps available now are multi season and spring bear. You have to wait about a month after the 2013 license expires to get those other special permit apps. So, if you want to shoot coyotes until then you have to get at least the small game license which drops you below the $200. I guess you could get a fishing/shellfish license to make up the difference. Or buy even more special permit apps.
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3x13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4x7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2014, 05:59:03 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2014, 06:00:39 PM
Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-I think the only special apps available now are multi season and spring bear. You have to wait about a month after the 2013 license expires to get those other special permit apps. So, if you want to shoot coyotes until then you have to get at least the small game license which drops you below the $200. I guess you could get a fishing/shellfish license to make up the difference. Or buy even more special permit apps.
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3x13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4x7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
No, I'm not counting spring bear and multi season apps. I would buy those separate.
Post by: blackdog on January 10, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
They could make up the lost revenue by increasing the Discover Pass cost for Subarus to $50. Having a "Hope and Change" sticker on it adds another $25. :chuckle:
:bdid: I just bought a Subaru. :yike:
Post by: fair-chase on January 10, 2014, 06:10:14 PM
Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-I think the only special apps available now are multi season and spring bear. You have to wait about a month after the 2013 license expires to get those other special permit apps. So, if you want to shoot coyotes until then you have to get at least the small game license which drops you below the $200. I guess you could get a fishing/shellfish license to make up the difference. Or buy even more special permit apps.
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3x13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4x7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
No, I'm not counting spring bear and multi season apps. I would buy those separate.
How 'bout we stop adding up the cost of resident hunting in WA. It's just gets too depressing. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on January 10, 2014, 07:09:44 PM
Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-Dont forget your multi season permit
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3 x 13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4 x 7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
Post by: stuckalot on January 10, 2014, 07:18:48 PM
1. DP Is junk legislation to begin with
2. If you want to fund state parks via user fee do it! Leave DNR & WDFW out of it!
3. This idea is nothing more than divide and conquer. Placate enough people with exemptions, waivers, discounts etc. that those left paying full price are now in conflict with those "subsidized" users. See also Obamacare! This whole idea needs to go down in flames!
4. Obviously all the DP does for WDFW is create a bigger bureaucracy! i.e. If you create two new positions with DP funds you must thru accounting gimmick or practice spend like amount on DP enforcement! Only a government bureaucrat could fail to find fault with logic like that! Let alone think its a GOOD idea!
Post by: 724wd on January 10, 2014, 07:29:31 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 10, 2014, 07:59:00 PM
11 who purchases a current valid: Big game hunting license issued under
12 RCW 77.32.450; small game hunting license issued under RCW 77.32.460;
13 western Washington pheasant permit issued under RCW 77.32.575; trapping
14 license issued under RCW 77.65.450; watchable wildlife decal issued
15 under RCW 77.32.560; or combination, saltwater, or freshwater personal
16 use fishing license issued under RCW 77.32.470.
17 (((2)))(b) One vehicle access pass must be issued per purchase
18 pursuant to this subsection (((1) of this section))
unless a purchaser
19 qualifies for a discover pass under (c) of this subsection.
1 (c) One discover pass must be issued at no additional cost to a
2 purchaser who spends more than two hundred dollars during any one
3 transaction for recreational licenses, permits, tags, or other
4 documents issued pursuant to chapter 77.32 RCW. The two hundred dollar
5 threshold includes all department of fish and wildlife recreational
6 documents purchased in the transaction, inclusive of any application
7 and transaction fees.
Does ANYONE see where it says they must be purchased for ONE person/wild ID?? I don't. I suppose we must hire a lawyer to figure it out :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: deltaops on January 10, 2014, 08:10:20 PM
Post by: Band on January 10, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
Now all of a sudden you think you're going to get a free pass because you got a big game license?The only "all of a sudden" involved here is that the state started charging people to park in the middle of nowhere. I could never consider the DP to be free even if someone handed me one without payment. I shouldn't have to pay to park in the middle of nowhere. Ever!
Post by: fastdam on January 10, 2014, 08:47:43 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on January 10, 2014, 08:50:32 PM
We should not have to pay ANY toll fees just to travel acress gods green earth. Government should be a well run service at best, not the master. No, to a 200 dollar discover pass hunting papers BS.:yeah: Dang skippy!
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on January 10, 2014, 08:56:15 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 11, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
They could make up the lost revenue by increasing the Discover Pass cost for Subarus to $50. Having a "Hope and Change" sticker on it adds another $25. :chuckle:
:bdid: I just bought a Subaru. :yike:
:bdid: :chuckle:
Post by: Snakeriver10 on January 11, 2014, 09:49:51 AM
Post by: SCRUBS on January 11, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
Okay, I'm going to be selfish now :IBCOOL:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 11, 2014, 10:17:14 AM
i was gonna say, the multi deer tad will help put u over the 200 mark.Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-Dont forget your multi season permit
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3 x 13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4 x 7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
Post by: bobcat on January 11, 2014, 10:51:33 AM
i was gonna say, the multi deer tad will help put u over the 200 mark.Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-Dont forget your multi season permit
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3 x 13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4 x 7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
So you guys are saying I should spend an extra $180 to save $30? ???
Post by: Mtn.Ghost on January 11, 2014, 10:57:26 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 11, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
i was gonna say, the multi deer tad will help put u over the 200 mark.Okay, I'm going to be selfish now and change my vote to a yes. I added up all the stuff I can buy-Dont forget your multi season permit
Deer/Elk/Bear/Cougar w/small game $117.50
3 Quality applications 3 x 13.70=$41.10
4 "regular" applications 4 x 7.10=28.40
Turkey tag $15.90
Total: $202.90
Whew! Just barely made the $200! Sure, I'll take the free Discover pass! :IBCOOL:
So you guys are saying I should spend an extra $180 to save $30? ???
No , more like the state would be saying that. Kind of like rewards cards and kohls cash. General public eats it up!
................................................. and I doubt the SP APP fee would count towards it
Post by: trophyhunt on January 11, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
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Post by: Mtn.Ghost on January 11, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
Post by: bearpaw on January 12, 2014, 11:48:38 AM
For families that purchase hunting licenses for themselves and several children this would likely get them DP's for one or even two vehicles. These are the type of people who are supporting WDFW and they should not be stuck footing the bill for all the residents of the state who do not support the system. I also think more hunters and fishers would pony up $150 than $200 to get the additional DP.
Post by: steen on January 12, 2014, 02:15:19 PM
Post by: KopperBuck on January 12, 2014, 03:17:57 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on January 12, 2014, 03:28:32 PM
This is another ploy to make more money for the WDFW. Think of this. The only way I could get over $200 is if I buy all my big game licenses, special permit apps. and fishing licenses at the same time. Special permit applications are not available until around April 22nd. My fishing license expires on March 31st. That means for about 3 weeks I cannot do any fishing or clamming unless I purchase temp. licenses and/or a razor clam license. Which equals more money I have to spend. Some of the best razor clamming tides fall in those 3 weeks usually. And what about those folks who buy all their stuff and reach $180 or so. Guess what? A lot of them are going to spring for an extra special permit application or two to get over $200. Another form of more money. This is no good as far as I'm concerned.
I feel the same.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 12, 2014, 03:30:22 PM
I'd have to vote no on this one. At first it sounded good, but it doesn't seem fair to require that $200 be spent at once. So some could get a free Discover pass, while others would not. It also would not be fair for the purchase of licenses for multiple people to count towards the $200.
If they want to reward those who by hunting and/or fishing licenses, just make it so the WDFW pass is also valid on DNR land.
For state parks the Discover pass should be required either way.
:yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on January 12, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
If you don't want to spend $200 to get a free pass then don't do it. But if there can be an exception for a free pass when you spend $200 I am still in favor of giving a person a break who spends that much. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on January 12, 2014, 03:42:31 PM
Post by: bmccalister on January 12, 2014, 04:00:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 12, 2014, 04:25:24 PM
Having said that, the pass is only $30 people. If you hunt DNR lands, and especially if you camp on DNR lands, the $30 fee is well worth it. Yes, I'm getting pretty sick of all the whining!
If you don't feel access to DNR land is worth $30, then great! That means less people hunting in the areas I hunt. I'm all for that!
Still, I don't think the exemption for spending $200 is fair. It's especially not fair if they allow purchases for multiple people in one transaction to count for the $200. Some people don't have other family members that they buy licenses for.
Post by: KopperBuck on January 12, 2014, 05:27:02 PM
It's 24 hours of work required for a free discover pass. Seems a bit much to me. If it were 8 hours I'd consider doing it. But still probably wouldn't. My time is worth a lot more than that.
Having said that, the pass is only $30 people. If you hunt DNR lands, and especially if you camp on DNR lands, the $30 fee is well worth it. Yes, I'm getting pretty sick of all the whining!
If you don't feel access to DNR land is worth $30, then great! That means less people hunting in the areas I hunt. I'm all for that!
Still, I don't think the exemption for spending $200 is fair. It's especially not fair if they allow purchases for multiple people in one transaction to count for the $200. Some people don't have other family members that they buy licenses for.
So if the $30 DP wasn't attached you'd feel the same?
Post by: Moose Master on January 12, 2014, 05:40:30 PM
Post by: stuckalot on January 12, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on January 12, 2014, 06:45:28 PM
30$ is fair. everyone is always trying to game the system one way or another. however it pans out, road maintenance, trails and all the other convenience's we enjoy cost money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure sure, totally fair the state decides to steal $30 bucks from ya.
:dunno:
Post by: blackdog on January 12, 2014, 06:55:53 PM
Post by: bmccalister on January 12, 2014, 07:32:16 PM
It's 24 hours of work required for a free discover pass. Seems a bit much to me. If it were 8 hours I'd consider doing it. But still probably wouldn't. My time is worth a lot more than that.:yeah: Well put and like you my time is worth more as well.
Having said that, the pass is only $30 people. If you hunt DNR lands, and especially if you camp on DNR lands, the $30 fee is well worth it. Yes, I'm getting pretty sick of all the whining!
If you don't feel access to DNR land is worth $30, then great! That means less people hunting in the areas I hunt. I'm all for that!
Still, I don't think the exemption for spending $200 is fair. It's especially not fair if they allow purchases for multiple people in one transaction to count for the $200. Some people don't have other family members that they buy licenses for.
Post by: fireweed on January 13, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on January 13, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
Post by: runamuk on January 13, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on January 13, 2014, 10:18:36 AM
Its just more bureaucracy...NO...repeal the DP....or include the DP with any license purchase period.
:yeah:
Post by: Kowsrule30 on January 13, 2014, 10:32:04 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on January 13, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
Its just more bureaucracy...NO...repeal the DP....or include the DP with any license purchase period.
But I like this better!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Band on January 13, 2014, 12:39:16 PM
Using it for hunting on undeveloped DNR is insulting. Trails& campgrounds, I can understand, but to require for access to "land" without a single recreation investment is wrong.Exactly!!
Post by: bigtex on January 13, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
Using it for hunting on undeveloped DNR is insulting. Trails& campgrounds, I can understand, but to require for access to "land" without a single recreation investment is wrong.Exactly!!
For the first year or two this was the law. The only DNR land it was needed on were the "developed areas." Then a lot of people complained about what is developed and what isn't, so the legislature basically said fine, it's needed on all DNR lands.
Post by: bobcat on January 13, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
Using it for hunting on undeveloped DNR is insulting. Trails& campgrounds, I can understand, but to require for access to "land" without a single recreation investment is wrong.Exactly!!
For the first year or two this was the law. The only DNR land it was needed on were the "developed areas." Then a lot of people complained about what is developed and what isn't, so the legislature basically said fine, it's needed on all DNR lands.
Right, but in the first couple years almost all DNR land WAS considered to be a developed recreation area, even if it wasn't. Such as ALL of Capitol Forest and all the rest of the large blocks of DNR land in this area.
So the change made very little difference.
Post by: bigtex on January 13, 2014, 01:37:35 PM
It really depended on the area. In your area it didn't make a difference. In my area the southern part of the county has no real "developed" areas and DNR didn't require the DP on those lands since they are all small chunks of land, now they do.Right, but in the first couple years almost all DNR land WAS considered to be a developed recreation area, even if it wasn't. Such as ALL of Capitol Forest and all the rest of the large blocks of DNR land in this area.For the first year or two this was the law. The only DNR land it was needed on were the "developed areas." Then a lot of people complained about what is developed and what isn't, so the legislature basically said fine, it's needed on all DNR lands.Using it for hunting on undeveloped DNR is insulting. Trails& campgrounds, I can understand, but to require for access to "land" without a single recreation investment is wrong.Exactly!!
So the change made very little difference.
Post by: bigtex on January 13, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on January 13, 2014, 02:29:12 PM
Post by: Swannytheswan on January 14, 2014, 02:19:40 AM
The DP is just bad business. We hunters and fishers are being unjustly targeted simply because we are a captive user of a state promoted resource. We're actually being held ransom, the state is stealing from us. When all other user groups of state lands start having to drop 2 bills just to pursue their activities then we can be called even, till then no. 1 DP gratis per Wild ID number per year per purchase of "any" WDFW license. I wouldn't consider this bill as is as a favor to the sportsmen.
:yeah:
Post by: blackdog on January 14, 2014, 06:21:00 AM
Post by: bigtex on January 23, 2014, 04:55:58 PM
Parks loss of revenue $280,501
WDFW and DNR loss of revenue each $26,714
Now the impact acknowledges that there is a lot of unknowns. Such as how many of those 11,131 actually purchased a DP before, how many people didn't make a qualifying purchase in 2013 but would make one in 2014 if this bill passes and so on.
Post by: bearpaw on January 23, 2014, 11:03:26 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 23, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
The financial impact has been released for this bill. In 2013 there were 11,131 "transactions" that met the qualifications of this bill and would receive a free Discover Pass. The total loss of revenue for this bill would be $333,930.
Parks loss of revenue $280,501
WDFW and DNR loss of revenue each $26,714
Now the impact acknowledges that there is a lot of unknowns. Such as how many of those 11,131 actually purchased a DP before, how many people didn't make a qualifying purchase in 2013 but would make one in 2014 if this bill passes and so on.
and how many people would buy an extra special draw permit, extra pole endorsement etc etc to bump them over the $200 mark.
I know if I were into it $180 (package deal license cost), I'd apply for special permits, gov tags etc until I made it a $200 bill and would even feel good about it, well better anyways :chuckle:
Post by: washelkhunter on January 23, 2014, 11:51:40 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 24, 2014, 06:58:15 PM
Oh you almost had it! You gotta reach for it. :dunno:
You mean "You almost got it, bend over just a little further, a little more.....GAHARRGH umph! GOT IT!"
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 18, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 18, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
This still alive or dead?
Dead. Never even got a hearing.
Post by: deaner on February 18, 2014, 04:33:09 PM
The financial impact has been released for this bill. In 2013 there were 11,131 "transactions" that met the qualifications of this bill and would receive a free Discover Pass. The total loss of revenue for this bill would be $333,930.
Parks loss of revenue $280,501
WDFW and DNR loss of revenue each $26,714
Now the impact acknowledges that there is a lot of unknowns. Such as how many of those 11,131 actually purchased a DP before, how many people didn't make a qualifying purchase in 2013 but would make one in 2014 if this bill passes and so on.
so parks loss from hunters would be $280,501 but HUNTABLE state lands total losses from hunters would be $53,428
so unhuntable lands make over 5x as much from hunters buying discover pass for hunting purposes than huntable lands do..... wtf?
the only reason i would buy a discover pass is to park on wdfw or dnr land. but they give all my money to parks i dont use.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 18, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
And Yes Deaner
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 18, 2014, 04:40:26 PM
The financial impact has been released for this bill. In 2013 there were 11,131 "transactions" that met the qualifications of this bill and would receive a free Discover Pass. The total loss of revenue for this bill would be $333,930.
Parks loss of revenue $280,501
WDFW and DNR loss of revenue each $26,714
Now the impact acknowledges that there is a lot of unknowns. Such as how many of those 11,131 actually purchased a DP before, how many people didn't make a qualifying purchase in 2013 but would make one in 2014 if this bill passes and so on.
so parks loss from hunters would be $280,501 but HUNTABLE state lands total losses from hunters would be $53,428
so unhuntable lands make over 5x as much from hunters buying discover pass for hunting purposes than huntable lands do..... wtf?
the only reason i would buy a discover pass is to park on wdfw or dnr land. but they give all my money to parks i dont use.
Good catch deaner!
Post by: deaner on February 18, 2014, 04:41:15 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 18, 2014, 05:11:04 PM
Sales of the Discover Pass are picking up and that is good news for the state of Washington's financially strapped parks system.
Revenue collected in the second full year of sales was nearly $1 million higher than its inaugural year, a sign agency officials hope signals the public's growing acceptance of a program created to offset the loss of state funding through budget cuts, the Daily Herald, Everett, reported.
Overall, the state took in $32.4 million in the two-year budget cycle that ended June 30, according to a report prepared for the state Parks and Recreation Commission.
Of that total, $27.2 million went to state parks with the remainder divided evenly between the state's Department of Natural Resources and Department of Fish and Wildlife. All three agencies manage state recreation lands, which require a Discover Pass for vehicle access.
Second-year sales generated almost $16.7 million for the three agencies compared to $15.7 million in the first year. State parks' share of the additional dollars was $785,558.
Post by: pd on February 18, 2014, 05:18:16 PM
so correct me if im wrong on this but... if i get ticketed from the dnr for parking on their land without a discover pass, all that money goes to the dnr correct? if thats the case, i wont buy a discover pass. screw them if they give all the money to parks which i dont use. id rather roll the dice, hope i dont get a ticket, but know that if i DO the money will at least go where i would want it to go.
Is this true? (The amount of the ticket goes to DNR.) If so, then I am with Deaner on this one.
$30 is trivial, so I purchase the Discover Pass. However, as somebody (Bobcat?) earlier said, it is probably just a matter of time until this fee increases. I already purchase the National Park card (but only for WA NPs--how does that work?), and the DP. This is really getting crazy.
Post by: deaner on February 18, 2014, 05:21:26 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 18, 2014, 05:25:30 PM
so correct me if im wrong on this but... if i get ticketed from the dnr for parking on their land without a discover pass, all that money goes to the dnr correct? if thats the case, i wont buy a discover pass. screw them if they give all the money to parks which i dont use. id rather roll the dice, hope i dont get a ticket, but know that if i DO the money will at least go where i would want it to go.The first year the fine went to the county just like all other tickets.
In 2012 the legislature changed the fine allocation. As of 2012 Discover Pass fines are split with 84% of the fine going to Parks, 8% to DNR, and 8% to WDFW.
Post by: pd on February 18, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
let the pass for parks be separate from the pass for huntable state lands. then we will really see how things go. if the parks still make as much money from the people who use them, then they deserve that much money. if theyre financially unsustainable without forcing people who dont use them to buy passes to them, then screw parks. if they cant pay for themselves turn them into state forest. then we can hunt them, and ill gladly pay for a pass to use them.
Deaner, I don't mean to hijack this thread, however......
In Idaho, most state parks are open to hunting (I am not 100% sure, but I believe Farragut SP is the only one closed). In WA, by state law "parks" are closed to hunting (correct me if I am wrong).
I don't advocate for hunting in camping areas of state parks, or any other place that might be dangerous. But opening state parks (the non-developed areas) makes sense to me.
Post by: deaner on February 18, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on February 18, 2014, 05:40:58 PM
Post by: deaner on February 18, 2014, 05:44:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 18, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
Post by: deaner on February 18, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 18, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
until a couple years ago it was illegal to carry a sidearm into a state park, even with a concealed carry permit, and the only reason that changed is a federal law that was passed.That's not true. You could've always carried into a WA state park. The change in federal law did nothing to effect state parks.
Post by: bigtex on February 18, 2014, 06:05:11 PM
no. appears the state thinks the hundreds of dollars we spend (around $500 for me last year) on our tags and apps isnt enough to allow us to park on wdfw and dnr land to hunt, so they want us to have to also pay for parks.You can park on WDFW lands for free using your WDFW pass you get when you buy your license.
ZERO hunting and fishing license money goes to DNR.
Post by: bigtex on February 18, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Any of those you posted in January make it? I'm guessing not since sportsmen are low priority.The only Discover Pass legislation that has gotten any real attention this year is a hold over from last year. SB 5097 passed out of the Senate 48-0 and has a House hearing tomorrow. The bill allows spouses to combine their volunteer time to get a complimentary pass.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 18, 2014, 06:22:29 PM
that sucks!This still alive or dead?
Dead. Never even got a hearing.
Post by: Curly on February 18, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
let the pass for parks be separate from the pass for huntable state lands. then we will really see how things go. if the parks still make as much money from the people who use them, then they deserve that much money. if theyre financially unsustainable without forcing people who dont use them to buy passes to them, then screw parks. if they cant pay for themselves turn them into state forest. then we can hunt them, and ill gladly pay for a pass to use them.
:yeah:
Post by: Special T on February 19, 2014, 07:29:04 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 19, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
We agree that the DP is theft from sportsmen, & it shouldnt be so... what many of you fail to remeber is that was the plan from the start!Just as stealing from the stupid automobile owner :chuckle: is
Post by: sakoshooter on March 04, 2014, 02:43:52 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on March 04, 2014, 07:56:17 AM
it ensures that the people that are spending the money get the access were originally promised.
Post by: bobcat on March 04, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
Post by: bigtex on March 04, 2014, 09:06:47 AM
It's too late for this year if this passes.Won't pass. Didn't even get a committee hearing..
Post by: washelkhunter on March 04, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
Post by: blackdog on March 04, 2014, 11:12:56 AM
Post by: huntrights on March 04, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
:twocents:
The DP is in place for revenue only ("Pay to Play"). If you forget to bring it with you to a location requiring a DP, you must go home to pick it up, or buy a new one. In many cases like this, home may be a few hundred miles away, so there goes another $35 (including vendor fee) if you can find a place that sells them nearby. The alternative is a pricey fine even though you actually have a DP.
:twocents: Get rid of the DP and figure out some other way.
Questions: What percentage of our license and tag fees actually go to the WDFW? What percentage is going into the General Fund for discretionary government spending? These are legitimate questions that all hunters and fishermen might be very interested in knowing the answer to.
Post by: washelkhunter on March 04, 2014, 07:38:29 PM
If the chair wouldn't hear 2199 then your idea has even less of a chance to be enacted into law.
Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me. Guess we should'nt try anything then eh?
Post by: bigtex on March 04, 2014, 07:53:16 PM
Questions: What percentage of our license and tag fees actually go to the WDFW? What percentage is going into the General Fund for discretionary government spending? These are legitimate questions that all hunters and fishermen (OOPS! fisher-people, fishers, anglers, ... whatever Gov. Inslee decreed recently ... Ugh!) might be very interested in knowing the answer to.Simple answer..100% of fish and wildlife related fees go to WDFW.
Just some history. Back when there was a Dept of Fisheries and Dept of Wildlife the DOF received general fund money and as a result fishing fees went to the general fund. DOW was funded by the wildlife fund and not general fund so wildlife fees went to the wildlife fund. When DOF and DOW merged to form WDFW there were several pieces of legislation that brought fishing fees from the general fund to the wildlife fund. The last legislation (around 2011) brought the few remaining fishing fees (clam licenses) that were still going to the general fund to the wildlife fund.
So effective a couple years ago, every dime from hunting and fishing licenses goes to the wildlife account. Per state law, wildlife account money can only be used by WDFW.
Post by: huntrights on March 04, 2014, 07:56:30 PM
Questions: What percentage of our license and tag fees actually go to the WDFW? What percentage is going into the General Fund for discretionary government spending? These are legitimate questions that all hunters and fishermen (OOPS! fisher-people, fishers, anglers, ... whatever Gov. Inslee decreed recently ... Ugh!) might be very interested in knowing the answer to.Simple answer..100% of fish and wildlife related fees go to WDFW.
Just some history. Back when there was a Dept of Fisheries and Dept of Wildlife the DOF received general fund money and as a result fishing fees went to the general fund. DOW was funded by the wildlife fund and not general fund so wildlife fees went to the wildlife fund. When DOF and DOW merged to form WDFW there were several pieces of legislation that brought fishing fees from the general fund to the wildlife fund. The last legislation (around 2011) brought the few remaining fishing fees (clam licenses) that were still going to the general fund to the wildlife fund.
So effective a couple years ago, every dime from hunting and fishing licenses goes to the wildlife account. Per state law, wildlife account money can only be used by WDFW.
Thanks for the quick answer.
Post by: SCRUBS on March 04, 2014, 08:05:41 PM
I`m glad to see out t & l money going where it should.
Thanks BT.
Post by: bobcat on March 04, 2014, 08:15:39 PM
So if none of our tag and license money goes to DNR, why should we expect a complimentary/ free pass?
Good question. I would say only because hunters generally are not users of the developed recreational areas such as campgrounds, trails, parking lots, etc.
We normally just drive in on a logging road, park, and walk into the woods. We don't need all the amenities that horseback riders, motorcyclists, mountain bikers, ATV'rs, and campers need.
Either way, I say get over it everyone. It's only $30 and maybe it keeps a certain number of people out and also provides funding for much needed law enforcement officers.
Post by: bigtex on March 04, 2014, 08:17:09 PM
So if none of our tag and license money goes to DNR, why should we expect a complimentary/ free pass?Exactly. Outside of taxes hunters/fishers don't fund DNR, the only way they fund DNR is through taxes and Discover Pass purchases. If you don't purchase a DP then DNR is not getting your money other then taxes.
So when somebody says "DNR gets fishing/hunting fee money" they are flat out wrong. And the same goes for State Parks.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 04, 2014, 08:28:19 PM
DNR is one thing....Parks is the REAL ripoff of the deal.So if none of our tag and license money goes to DNR, why should we expect a complimentary/ free pass?Exactly. Outside of taxes hunters/fishers don't fund DNR, the only way they fund DNR is through taxes and Discover Pass purchases. If you don't purchase a DP then DNR is not getting your money other then taxes.
So when somebody says "DNR gets fishing/hunting fee money" they are flat out wrong. And the same goes for State Parks.
Post by: blackdog on March 05, 2014, 09:55:52 AM
Post by: stryker on August 12, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
I have never purchased enough in licenses to qualify for a free DP, but I have purchased enough CAMPING reservations at the State Parks and I DID receive a free DP with that purchase. :tup:
Post by: birddogdad on August 12, 2014, 09:40:37 AM
Better than a poll at the top
EVERYONE REPLY HERE TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS;
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2199
at bottom you can even request an official reply from them on this matter....
Post by: bigtex on August 12, 2014, 06:07:12 PM
I dont see that they have voted, just researching/cost analysis in the state webpage.The legislative session ended this Spring. No point in contacting them on this matter.
Better than a poll at the top
EVERYONE REPLY HERE TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS;
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2199
at bottom you can even request an official reply from them on this matter....