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Title: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 15, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
Just picked up my first AR, and it is destined to be a yote gun. Just curious what sort of glass setup you guys use on this side of the mountains?

Fixed, or variable?
Scope or red dot?

I would really like a 4x acog, as I've used a buddies quite a few times and it seems perfect, however those stinkin trijicons are a bit out of my price range.

Any other close alternatives?
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 15, 2014, 03:47:45 PM
Check out LUCID. The guy used to work at Brunton and started his own business. He's out of Riverton Wyoming I believe. I have one with the 3x on it.

This scope is like an ACOG unlike the others mentioned.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Bofire on January 15, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
 :)3.5X10X40 Leupold VXIII
Carl
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 15, 2014, 08:03:13 PM
Used to have a Millet SDM 1x4 illuminated donut reticle on mine. Not bad for closer and darker ranges. Decent glass. Think it was around $250ish maybe....
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: GEARHEAD on January 15, 2014, 08:08:20 PM
2.5 X 10
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: fly-by on January 15, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
If you plan to use it for Wetside Coyotes you may want something that starts with lower magnification.  1-4x, 1.5-6x, 2-7x, or 2-8x.  Really no need for 10x+ for that application.  Better field of view and fast acquisition yet still plenty of magnification for Coyote size targets at the top end. 
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on January 15, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
4x12 diamondback
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: AWS on January 15, 2014, 11:06:47 PM
I have an Elite 4200 1.25 x4 Ill. Dot on one of my rifles and  an Alpen 1.5x6x Ill. Dot on another and like them both for out here.  Mine are on bolt guns but they would work well on an AR also.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 16, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
These work pretty good

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-mrt-riflescopes/mark-4-mrt-1-5-5x20mm-30mm-m2/ (http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-mrt-riflescopes/mark-4-mrt-1-5-5x20mm-30mm-m2/)
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: hillbilli on January 16, 2014, 02:10:07 AM
3-9X40 BURRIS FULLFIELD2.. pretty decent quality for the price you can sometimes find them for..
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 16, 2014, 02:46:08 AM
I would think with a 3-9 you would be pretty set!
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Lunchbox1981 on January 16, 2014, 03:59:43 AM
For Westside an mostly closer shots look at the Leupold Hogplex scopes.  They are pretty nice and you can get one with a red dot for roughly $450. No red dot and they run about $280.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Stinkyrat on January 16, 2014, 06:18:15 AM
Dunno if this counts but I go with a 552 Eotech on a Stag 6.8spc...

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe186%2Fstinkyrat%2FIMG_20130808_175212_104_zps7b9923bb.jpg&hash=60e89e0f7dad3811dcd3aa488d8cc1646f52a965) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/stinkyrat/media/IMG_20130808_175212_104_zps7b9923bb.jpg.html)

Figure where I go everything is close enough a holographic sight, if I really need something longer range I do have a Nikon 3x9 on a Larue mount I can swap it out with. Haven't needed it yet  :)

EDIT TO ADD: If you want to try a red dot and not pay out the dingleberry for it, primary arms makes a decent one for not that many $$$!

Stinkyrat
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Bofire on January 16, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
 :) You'll love that 10 x when shooting at the head thru a hole in the brush at about 150 yards cause thats all you can see.
Carl
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: fly-by on January 16, 2014, 09:59:25 AM
Ordered this scope a few days ago for the same purpose.

http://www.blackbearsportinggoods.com/Eterna_1_5_5x20_Rifle_Scope_p/ellbrufe15520.htm (http://www.blackbearsportinggoods.com/Eterna_1_5_5x20_Rifle_Scope_p/ellbrufe15520.htm)

Limited reviews but for that price I'm willing to take a flyer...
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: JohnVH on January 16, 2014, 10:03:14 AM
I really want to put a burris eliminator on mine, yotes here are so skiddish you dont have long to range and shoot.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: hillbilli on January 16, 2014, 05:54:39 PM
theres a reason that the 2-7x and 3-9x are the most popular whitetail scopes in the country..
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Special T on January 16, 2014, 06:08:57 PM
Bro in law and cousin have the Nikon coyote special in 3x9. pretty hard to beat imo.

Those Lucid products look pretty good for the price too tho
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 16, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
yup, I'm thinking I will be going with something in that range. Maybe a 4.5-9x. Good versatility, and can be found for a decently affordable price.

Haha they just look ugly on AR's, guess I'll have to get over that!  :'(

Thanks all for the input!

That eotech is sexy on your rifle StinkyRat
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 16, 2014, 09:06:09 PM
I'm putting high consideration into one of these...

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Nikon-Products/Scopes/varmint-Coyote/index.page (http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Nikon-Products/Scopes/varmint-Coyote/index.page)

Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 16, 2014, 09:10:41 PM
I'm putting high consideration into one of these...

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Nikon-Products/Scopes/varmint-Coyote/index.page (http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/Nikon-Products/Scopes/varmint-Coyote/index.page)



www.binoculars.com (http://www.binoculars.com)  has some good Nikon deals.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 16, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Oh you're right! Good find!

I'm gonna check out the gun show this weekend and see what it has to offer. Maybe I will find a gem. If not, I think I'll be ordering a coyote special. I like that BDC reticle...   :drool:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 16, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
Oh you're right! Good find!

I'm gonna check out the gun show this weekend and see what it has to offer. Maybe I will find a gem. If not, I think I'll be ordering a coyote special. I like that BDC reticle...   :drool:



I think I'm a professional gun parts, gun and optics online shopper.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Special T on January 16, 2014, 09:26:09 PM
C-Meat the price was actually better on the nikon site for the 4-12 it was only $200 But the 3x9 is cheaper because of free shipping with your recommended site.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 16, 2014, 09:30:27 PM
C-Meat the price was actually better on the nikon site for the 4-12 it was only $200 But the 3x9 is cheaper because of free shipping with your recommended site.



That site was off the top of my head. I know he can find a scope cheaper than the dealer site if he shops. Might be only pennies though. I like free shipping and no sales tax.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 16, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
I got a Burris Fullfield 30 European 3.5-10 riflescope on my coyote AR, and love it!  It's got the illuminated 3P#4 Edot reticle, and the red dot is great for low light/dark hunting situations.  Natchez Shooters Supply has them on closeout special now for $240 for the 3-9, and $330 for the 3.5-10.  On a dark night, you can't see the crosshair, but you can see the red dot!  I have mine mounted on a 1-piece 30mm Rock River mount.  had the gun fall over and hit the scope on rocks, and never lost zero.  Best feature for an absent-minded guy like me, the illumination shuts off after 1 hour.  :tup:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 16, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
For some reason the Nikon site is no longer on sale, so that binoculars.com is actually $100 cheaper now!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: BiggLuke on January 16, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
What's wrong with your iron sites?
Those should be millspec'd out to 200 meters, atleast... westside is usually in heavy cover where you can't even see out to 100 meters... right?
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 16, 2014, 10:41:32 PM
no iron sights  :(
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Blacklab on January 20, 2014, 07:47:10 PM
I have two Nikon m-223 3x12x42 nitroplex. No circles or dots just quick turrets out to 600 yards. Great glass a little spendy tho they are a great scope imo
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 07:57:17 PM
I ended up going with the Nikon coyote specialist 4x12. found it for $200 even. Went out shooting today to sight it in and test out my new gun. Got to this group with only 14 rounds. Was shooting 75gr hornady BTHP's at about 125 yards. Not the tightest group ever, but I'm happy for the first time using it.

That's a dead dog...  :tup:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 20, 2014, 08:00:01 PM
I saw that Nikon isn't doing that $199 anymore. Is that where you bought yours from?
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 08:01:40 PM
Nope I got it off optics planet!
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 20, 2014, 08:03:46 PM
How do you like it? Pros/cons?
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 20, 2014, 08:09:07 PM
That's a good group, considering the Coyote Special reticle really isn't a target reticle.  those circles are great for fast acquisition though.  I have one, and like it. I think the Coyote Special is just a tricked out Buckmasters scope.  Got one of those, too!  :tup:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
Well, take my review for what its worth, seeing as it's the first scope I've ever bought, and I've only shot 14 rounds through it, but I love it.

I know that a lot don't feel the same way. Heredoggy is correct, the reticle sucks for target. It is a broad open circle. google nikons predator bdc reticle, you will see. But I don't think it's as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be. I got that grouping so it cant be too terrible. I think that it will be even better for moving objects. and dog sized objects. And seeing as it was only $200 dollars to my door, not a bad deal. Even comes with a flash guard. I would suggest it for sure. But I would also recommend heading to a sports store and checking out the reticle in real life. That is what makes or breaks it. I love it, others don't. Just personal preference.

But we'll see over time if i feel the same way  :chuckle:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 08:26:14 PM
One more con, a little long for an AR. Longer than I was looking for at least. Nothing outstanding, but I would have preferred something more compact. Here is a pic for reference.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 08:27:38 PM
oops, forgot the pic!
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 20, 2014, 08:28:34 PM
Save ALL of your 223 brass.

Good for you on the scope purchase.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 08:33:29 PM
Yup, I have a buddy that has a full reload station, so I've been saving it before I even owned an AR. Atleast it's a bit more fun scavenging for brass with frozen fingers when I get to play with some of it!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Special T on January 20, 2014, 08:36:25 PM
Buy one of those mesh brass catchers. they work great as long as you keep them empty. they will make your gun jam if you let the brass stack up.  :twocents:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 08:37:47 PM
I've seen those... can't justify spending the money on it now, but it would be a nice tool to have!
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 20, 2014, 08:43:33 PM
Well, take my review for what its worth, seeing as it's the first scope I've ever bought, and I've only shot 14 rounds through it, but I love it.

I know that a lot don't feel the same way. Heredoggy is correct, the reticle sucks for target. It is a broad open circle. google nikons predator bdc reticle, you will see. But I don't think it's as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be. I got that grouping so it cant be too terrible. I think that it will be even better for moving objects. and dog sized objects. And seeing as it was only $200 dollars to my door, not a bad deal. Even comes with a flash guard. I would suggest it for sure. But I would also recommend heading to a sports store and checking out the reticle in real life. That is what makes or breaks it. I love it, others don't. Just personal preference.

But we'll see over time if i feel the same way  :chuckle:

You got a good deal!  I think when I got mine 3 years ago, the best I could do was $325.  That ARD (Anti-reflective device) alone was a $100 item.  I got ARDs for the rest of my scopes cheaper by getting the ones that are held in by the flip-up scope covers.  I only put scope covers on the front of the scope, because that's the end of the scope that is up when I sling carry it anyway...
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 20, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
I like your AR, it's a nice one too !!
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 20, 2014, 08:52:21 PM
I've seen those... can't justify spending the money on it now, but it would be a nice tool to have!

Don't waste your money on one of those things.  I had one, and even added a wire extention to keep it open when it got some empties in it, and it was still more trouble than it was worth.  I took a small flap of thin leather and sewed some lengths of small bungee cord into one end so I could loop the cords around and onto the knobs on my scope mount.  the flap hangs over the ejection port and deflects the empties down.  They pile up under the legs of the bipod, and I don't have to look for them in the sagebrush 6 feet away.
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: McCRIZZLEY on January 20, 2014, 09:00:11 PM

Don't waste your money on one of those things.  I had one, and even added a wire extention to keep it open when it got some empties in it, and it was still more trouble than it was worth.  I took a small flap of thin leather and sewed some lengths of small bungee cord into one end so I could loop the cords around and onto the knobs on my scope mount.  the flap hangs over the ejection port and deflects the empties down.  They pile up under the legs of the bipod, and I don't have to look for them in the sagebrush 6 feet away.

Now that's thinking!
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Special T on January 20, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
the one im thinkin of cost 10 bucks
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 20, 2014, 09:06:26 PM
the one im thinkin of cost 10 bucks

They get cheaper all the time--I wonder why?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 20, 2014, 09:08:35 PM
the one im thinkin of cost 10 bucks

I bought one for like $8 and works just fine
 :dunno:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Special T on January 20, 2014, 09:09:57 PM
Brother in laws works great.  :dunno:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 20, 2014, 09:18:52 PM
Brother in laws works great.  :dunno:

I'm glad they work for somebody--I sold mine for 5 bucks.  Saved me from throwing it away!  :chuckle:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: WetSide AR glass...
Post by: Special T on January 20, 2014, 10:11:15 PM
I know he bent the opening a little to make a slightly bigger gap but if you empty after every 30 or so it works fine.
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