Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2014, 07:19:57 AM
Post by: TheHunt on January 16, 2014, 07:22:49 AM
Post by: benhuntin on January 16, 2014, 07:28:15 AM
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Post by: jackmaster on January 16, 2014, 07:35:57 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2014, 07:42:07 AM
When you are a terrible hunter and tired of bring home nothing then serving up a bowl of tag soup. Baiting is their answer.
lol, but shouldn't we be teaching more people to actually hunt for their food rather than bait for it
Post by: TheHunt on January 16, 2014, 07:59:35 AM
When you are a terrible hunter and tired of bring home nothing then serving up a bowl of tag soup. Baiting is their answer.
lol, but shouldn't we be teaching more people to actually hunt for their food rather than bait for it
If we did that, we would not have threads like this.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 16, 2014, 08:18:13 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 16, 2014, 08:26:12 AM
That may be an interesting seminar, of course, about a completely unethical and horrendous activity. :)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 16, 2014, 08:28:42 AM
Post by: YoterHunter on January 16, 2014, 10:17:51 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2014, 11:30:30 AM
Baiting, luminoks, compound bows, semi-autos, bolt actions, and chewing gum while hunting should be banned. Please discuss further while I watch the blood spatter from the sidelines.
That may be an interesting seminar, of course, about a completely unethical and horrendous activity. :)
What a strange comment.no comparisin.you never cease to amaze me pboy.how in the heck did you ever become "board modirator anyways :dunno:
Post by: REHJWA on January 16, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
Post by: duckmen1 on January 16, 2014, 11:35:04 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 16, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
Rose bushes is the best thing that I've seen come regularly . You can't keep enough buds on them. It could be interesting I might have to stop in for a laugh .
Roses are good so is molasses and corn :chuckle: I see a whole new generation evolving here :rolleyes:. Boyd Iverson wouldn't dream of baiting blacktail why should you? :)
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 16, 2014, 11:51:29 AM
Post by: duckmen1 on January 16, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
It wouldn't be mister Shelby by chance would it. :yike:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 16, 2014, 11:56:02 AM
I would like to see some of you actually bait blacktails and try to shoot a nice buck doing so on public ground and then tell me how easy it is. Nothing comes easy for blacktails.:yeah: A misconception that you are going to bait and shoot a blacktail over it.
Post by: jackmaster on January 16, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
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Post by: duckmen1 on January 16, 2014, 01:48:25 PM
If it's the guy that comes to mind giving the ceminar look out. He is a winner.
It wouldn't be mister Shelby by chance would it. :yike:
no i think its shane barbour putting it on :chuckle: :chuckle: :peep:What's the difference :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on January 16, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
:yeah:oh true datIf it's the guy that comes to mind giving the ceminar look out. He is a winner.
It wouldn't be mister Shelby by chance would it. :yike:no i think its shane barbour putting it on :chuckle: :chuckle: :peep:What's the difference :chuckle:
Post by: raydog on January 16, 2014, 03:30:03 PM
I would like to see some of you actually bait blacktails and try to shoot a nice buck doing so on public ground and then tell me how easy it is. Nothing comes easy for blacktails.I must admit I was against baiting deer for a long time. I thought it was easy and for poor hunters. Well I gave it a shot 2 late seasons ago. It is WAY harder than what I expected. I though "oh I'll just throw out some oats and apples and knock one dead".I didn't stand a chance. haha you guys go ahead and think it is a cake walk. Makes no difference to me ;)
Post by: PolarBear on January 16, 2014, 03:41:02 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 16, 2014, 03:45:37 PM
Post by: PolarBear on January 16, 2014, 03:46:26 PM
Post by: bmccalister on January 16, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 16, 2014, 04:18:24 PM
And guys from the East side of the state.
Yeah, the east east east side of the state :chuckle:
Post by: duckmen1 on January 16, 2014, 04:34:49 PM
Anyways I do bait for camera pre season and it doesn't do much good on bucks. A few does that's about it.
Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
I would like to see some of you actually bait blacktails and try to shoot a nice buck doing so on public ground and then tell me how easy it is. Nothing comes easy for blacktails.I must admit I was against baiting deer for a long time. I thought it was easy and for poor hunters. Well I gave it a shot 2 late seasons ago. It is WAY harder than what I expected. I though "oh I'll just throw out some oats and apples and knock one dead".I didn't stand a chance. haha you guys go ahead and think it is a cake walk. Makes no difference to me ;)
I agree nothing easy about it, hauling the bait in etc,sitting for hours getting cold in a blind and not to mention the expense and all.
I've never baited myself mainly becuase I just don't think it would be a very fullfilling and gratifying hunting experiance. I think people that learn to bait and that's all they do are really missing out on the real experiance :twocents:
Post by: Hawgdawg on January 16, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Baiting, luminoks, compound bows, semi-autos, bolt actions, and chewing gum while hunting should be banned. Please discuss further while I watch the blood spatter from the sidelines.
That may be an interesting seminar, of course, about a completely unethical and horrendous activity. :)
What a strange comment.no comparisin.you never cease to amaze me pboy.how in the heck did you ever become "board modirator anyways :dunno:
:yeah:
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 17, 2014, 08:35:03 AM
Baiting, luminoks, compound bows, semi-autos, bolt actions, and chewing gum while hunting should be banned. Please discuss further while I watch the blood spatter from the sidelines.
That may be an interesting seminar, of course, about a completely unethical and horrendous activity. :)
What a strange comment.no comparisin.you never cease to amaze me pboy.how in the heck did you ever become "board modirator anyways :dunno:
He never ceases to amaze you? Sounds like a crush :-* to me.
BTW, he probably became a "Board Modirator" because he can spell
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on January 17, 2014, 09:20:14 AM
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 17, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
I don't know about blacktails, but just one look at the walls of whitetail hunters that bait and the ones that don't will tell you all you need to know about effectiveness of baiting whitetails.
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Blacktails and whitetails are bound to be similar? ???
Post by: jackmaster on January 17, 2014, 10:06:02 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: thats a good one, aint nothin simular between blackies and whiteys :chuckle: a mature blacktail that is not under the spell of a doe in heat is by far the most absolute toughest critter to hunt in north america, i would put them up there with the wisest of all critters to pursue, i dont know which is the wisest but the GREY GHOST has to be among them :twocents:I don't know about blacktails, but just one look at the walls of whitetail hunters that bait and the ones that don't will tell you all you need to know about effectiveness of baiting whitetails.
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Blacktails and whitetails are bound to be similar? ???
Post by: REHJWA on January 17, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
I don't know about blacktails, but just one look at the walls of whitetail hunters that bait and the ones that don't will tell you all you need to know about effectiveness of baiting whitetails.
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Blacktails and whitetails are bound to be similar? ???
:o :o :o Are you smoking something over in Spokane or just trying to stir the pot? :stirthepot:
Post by: snowpack on January 17, 2014, 11:34:13 AM
I don't know about blacktails, but just one look at the walls of whitetail hunters that bait and the ones that don't will tell you all you need to know about effectiveness of baiting whitetails.you can use feeders that have timers on them. Once they are used to a different life they really aren't much different than whitetails. Just look at the neighborhoods with deer problems like Whidbey or on the peninsula---deer come running when it is feeding time just like the whitetails.
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Post by: duckmen1 on January 17, 2014, 01:23:49 PM
And I can say just cause camere deer works on whitetails doesn't mean it will work on blacktails. I've tried. Nothin to show for it.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 17, 2014, 01:32:09 PM
I don't know about blacktails, but just one look at the walls of whitetail hunters that bait and the ones that don't will tell you all you need to know about effectiveness of baiting whitetails.
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Blacktails and whitetails are bound to be similar? ???
:o :o :o Are you smoking something over in Spokane or just trying to stir the pot? :stirthepot:
I don't smoke, thanks for asking.
No I'm not attempting to stir the pot. Hunting blacktail bucks and hunting whitetail bucks is very different in my opinion. I would submit that most people who've hunted both would agree.
Post by: singleshot12 on January 17, 2014, 01:37:21 PM
Post by: PolarBear on January 17, 2014, 01:39:12 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 17, 2014, 01:46:13 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 17, 2014, 01:47:55 PM
I've grown up hunting whitetails. I've also killed several BTs over three pts to a side. I don't think BT"s are harder.
They can all be conditioned when times are rough and food is easy
Post by: MountainWalk on January 17, 2014, 01:52:51 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 17, 2014, 02:05:04 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 17, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
I'm not getting sucked into this one again.
:dunno: You already are :chuckle: :hello:
People can kill all the bucks they want over bait and feel proud of it,don't bother me as long as i'm miles away from them
Post by: ghostshell on January 23, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
Post by: buckfvr on January 23, 2014, 05:56:25 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on January 23, 2014, 07:26:47 PM
Post by: buckfvr on January 23, 2014, 07:45:24 PM
I'm 52 I've hunted black tails my hole life. I don't care what any buddy says blacktail and whitetail are two different breeds. White tail you can bait and pattern . Put a feeder out they will be there like clock work . A blacktail will show when he wants if he does at all. They are the tuffest to hunt of all deer especially on public land . Ask some of the people on this form that's been hunting them for years and still have not killed one yet . :twocents:
Leads me to believe you've never put out a feeder for whitetail..........if so, you're talking does and dinks.............
Post by: ghostshell on January 23, 2014, 08:16:09 PM
island deer/mountain deer..... not even the same.I don't know about blacktails, but just one look at the walls of whitetail hunters that bait and the ones that don't will tell you all you need to know about effectiveness of baiting whitetails.you can use feeders that have timers on them. Once they are used to a different life they really aren't much different than whitetails. Just look at the neighborhoods with deer problems like Whidbey or on the peninsula---deer come running when it is feeding time just like the whitetails.
Blacktails are bound to be similar, but the terrain difference might make it tougher. Nocturnal deer is the main issue of baiting. If you can figure that out, you'll do fine.
Post by: YoterHunter on January 23, 2014, 09:28:37 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 24, 2014, 08:36:10 AM
Post by: Dr. Death on January 24, 2014, 09:07:44 AM
Baiting can be good for BT's. We tried it this year and had 5 bucks on camera. My kid shot a 3x4 off of it. We did pattern them to a point, waited for the right time and wind and went in and shot his buck the 1st time in the stand, had another buck there at the same time.
I wont shoot one there unless its a toad, but good for those who havent shot many critters. just my :twocents:.....
Post by: Birddogman on January 24, 2014, 09:23:01 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on January 24, 2014, 09:52:52 AM
Post by: REHJWA on January 24, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
I guess it's a regional thing. Seems like everyone thinks what they hunt is the hardest. It's normal. I grew up slaying WT in AR and MO. Ive guided for miles in MT, ID, with great success. I had a few tough years in WA as after BT, but now I score on three and four pt bucks year after year. After all, they are all deer, and require the same things: food, cover, water. I do not think one is inherently "harder" to hunt. I love em all, but I don't elevate them to be any more than ends what they are, just adeer.I agree with everything except....I give black tail the edge. A trophy deer of any species is a worthy adversary but a mature 4x4 blacktail with eye guards has got to be one of the rarest harvested of any trophy in North America. Every year we see dozens of trophy caliber mule deer and whitetails but only a hand full blacktails. I know there are fewer black tails and as a percentage of harvest they are probably proportional but the nubers's don't lie...
As far as getting dialed in like you have, I am sure you have put in your dues to get to the level your at. The gray Ghost schools me every year. I will get my trophy one day.
Post by: boomstick on January 24, 2014, 10:17:18 AM
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Post by: singleshot12 on January 24, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 24, 2014, 03:20:16 PM
ill say i have tried most things on blacktails for the purpose of trying to see whats in my areas with the most sign.... the mountain blacktails i have found really are not interested in anything foreign. as far as mature bucks curiosity will have them show themselves to your trail cam thats about it. i have found natural mineral licks really are the only thing they touch. blacktails are at least to me too smart for those tricks and or non sense... perhaps lower elevation blacktail are different, my interest are for the alpine blacktail that ghost through the mountains...hard work, luck and persistance with time in the woods is more realistic. the high and lows of those S.O.B's......besides baiting blacktails seems to cheapen them..... i think the illusive grey ghost of the northwest deserves more than that.... just a dude with an opinion.
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: jackmaster on January 24, 2014, 03:23:04 PM
I'm not sure if they're any harder to bait.Blacktail like any other deer are lazy and opportunists. They will travel the easiest route and feed on the easiest,sweetest food source with the most calories to get them through the winter. They don't care if it's all in a big pile in the middle of the woods. They are just like us and have a sweet tooth preferring molasses,corn,and apples any day over salad.we will have to agree to disagree, like i said in an earlier post, i have quite a few blackies hangn around my place and i have tried everything just to see if one works better than the other, blacktail pretty much didnt care what i put out there or what i grew, they would rather eat the wild blackberries, the little ones that grow along the ground on a viny sticker, they eat apples, but they would rather get them right out of the tree than a heaping pile on the ground, however the elk were sure appreciative at all the differant stuff i put out or grew :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: singleshot12 on January 24, 2014, 03:30:11 PM
Post by: jackmaster on January 24, 2014, 03:36:13 PM
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Post by: jackmaster on January 24, 2014, 03:54:24 PM
I agree (most areas) baiting usually only brings in does and fawns but guaranteed to leave scent trails for mr buck to visit during the breeding season. I've hunted blacktail my whole life also but never baited. Just getting my info from a couple hardcore baiters that DO manage to kill a mature buck over or near bait almost every year. And when I say bait I mean a fairly large pile of corn,grain,molasses,apples and mineral block combined.well it makes sense if you can get doe to hang around especially when they come into heat, big bucks will travel thats for sure, i havent ever intentionally baited while trying to kill a big ole blacktail, now bear on the other hand i pretty much had baiting down to a science :chuckle: i honestly dont care if i ever kill another bear, it was more fun just to watch them especially cubs, what a riot, they will make you laugh uncontrolably, you will end up scaring them off because you end up laughing out loud
Post by: singleshot12 on January 24, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 24, 2014, 04:02:54 PM
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Post by: singleshot12 on January 24, 2014, 05:22:12 PM
The ignorance of a few will never cease to amaze me....
Let us know if you learned something :chuckle:
Post by: raydog on January 26, 2014, 08:04:53 PM
I agree (most areas) baiting usually only brings in does and fawns but guaranteed to leave scent trails for mr buck to visit during the breeding season. I've hunted blacktail my whole life also but never baited. Just getting my info from a couple hardcore baiters that DO manage to kill a mature buck over or near bait almost every year. And when I say bait I mean a fairly large pile of corn,grain,molasses,apples and mineral block combined.Do your buds hunt private or public land. I think that is the biggest factor between success and failure. :twocents:
Post by: irishevox on January 29, 2014, 08:18:26 AM
Post by: grundy53 on January 29, 2014, 01:20:09 PM
So what did the seminar say?
To me... not much. It was sort of just a presentation on how effective baiting can be. Also seemed kinda like an advertisement for his guide service. But the presentation was actually pretty good.
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Post by: irishevox on January 29, 2014, 03:10:50 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on January 29, 2014, 03:18:15 PM
I agree (most areas) baiting usually only brings in does and fawns but guaranteed to leave scent trails for mr buck to visit during the breeding season. I've hunted blacktail my whole life also but never baited. Just getting my info from a couple hardcore baiters that DO manage to kill a mature buck over or near bait almost every year. And when I say bait I mean a fairly large pile of corn,grain,molasses,apples and mineral block combined.Do your buds hunt private or public land. I think that is the biggest factor between success and failure. :twocents:
Mostly private I'm sure now, but they have succesfully pulled some nice bucks down on public in the past.