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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: Labs07 on January 16, 2014, 04:05:12 PM
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Well I purchased the Elk application and deer application today! Hope I get drawn!
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Only points for me this year, good luck to ya!
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Keep us posted. Points for me this year as well
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moose and bighorn sheep 14 bonus points each
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So you can buy a point at this time? Is it like here in Washington where you buy a point and not hunt.
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So you can buy a point at this time? Is it like here in Washington where you buy a point and not hunt.
We buy our points in the summer. I think it is from like July to September or something
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:yeah: The "points only" period is July 1 - September 30.
That said, you can always apply for something way out of your league right now for your first choice, if you don't get it, you'll get a preference point now even if you draw choice #2 or #3.
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I am doing points as well. I heard the winter was pretty bad.
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I'll buy points for deer, elk, antelope this year and not sure about keeping my moose points after killing a bull here in WA last year.
I let my sheep points purge last year as it is way to expensive for points, tag, and a required guide for me to keep applying for rams in WY. with the odds of drawing a tag.
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Sorry to thread jack but I have wyoming question. As a non resident do I need to draw for the general tags and if so do you pay for the whole amount (tags and application fees) before January 31st?
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Weather-wise, we've only had about a week of miserably cold weather. Within a week, it was back to 40 degrees. Still seeing a TON of game, no winterkills.
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I'll buy points for deer, elk, antelope this year and not sure about keeping my moose points after killing a bull here in WA last year.
I let my sheep points purge last year as it is way to expensive for points, tag, and a required guide for me to keep applying for rams in WY. with the odds of drawing a tag.
I've been doing elk, deer, and pronghorn points in several states for a couple of years but have largely kept away from moose, ram and goat tags in most states. I was actually thinking of juming in this year. Are you saying that it might be more cost effective to maybe just go to Cananda when ready to hunt a ram than spending three decades building points in some of these states?
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Weather-wise, we've only had about a week of miserably cold weather. Within a week, it was back to 40 degrees. Still seeing a TON of game, no winterkills.
thanks for the update, Dave! :tup:
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Sorry to thread jack but I have wyoming question. As a non resident do I need to draw for the general tags and if so do you pay for the whole amount (tags and application fees) before January 31st?
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No, you do not need to apply just for Gen tags. You can choose a specific hunt area(s) if you want.
Yes, you pony up the fees upfront when you do your application. Depending on which species you apply for, WY retains a small fee for application purposes if you are not successful.
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So just to clarify 6x6 I can drive over there and buy an otc tag and be good? Thanks for replying.
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Depends on the species and sex. There have been leftover antlerless elk tags that are available OTC the last 2 years that I know of.
There were also 4 leftover any elk tags after the drawing last year for #55 - the wolf munching zone.
Just to give you a couple examples.
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Non-res needs to apply for a "general elk" tag in Wyoming. It drew out at I think 1 point last year. But maybe some from the "Special" draw would end up in the "leftovers sale".
So, as a Non-res, you can get a tag in the draw or sold as a "leftover". No tags are "over the counter" so to speak.
Some odd percent of tags go into the "random" draw, so even with no points you have Washington type odds of drawing some of the good tags. If you can afford to go if you get lucky its good to put in.
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No, we non-res do not need to apply for a "general tag". We can choose to apply for a general tag which covers multiple hunt areas, or we can choose to apply for a specific hunt area which limits the tag quantities (limited quota) and only allows you to hunt within the hunt area for that tag.
It's like BeanCounter said above. Pick a tough to draw hunt like 100 with your first choice. Then choose easier to draw hunts on your 2nd and 3rd choices - such as a General tag. You draw a 2nd or 3rd choice you do not lose your points.
The Specials have their own draw. Basically 40% of the allotted non-res tags go to the Special pool for their draw. The Special is the draw that WY does first for non-res. Any leftovers from the Special draw go back into the pool for the Full Price draw. Leftover tags are a whole separate draw later in the year. If their are leftover tags after the leftover draw, these are sold on a first come-first-serve basis - OTC.
25% of the total non-res tag allotment goes to the Random draw.
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Thanks guys for clarifying. Wyomings web site is not the easiest to figure out. Think what I will do is buy a point this year and give it a try next year.
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Application period is now closed. Now we wait. Would be nice to get lucky.
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Application period is now closed. Now we wait. Would be nice to get lucky.
Good Luck!!
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Can you buy sheep and moose points without floating tag fees in Wyoming?
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Can you buy sheep and moose points without floating tag fees in Wyoming?
yes
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A couple of questions for you seasoned vets that have hunted Wyoming in the past:
1. Does anyone know when their leftover cow/calf tags typically go on sale?
2. Do cow/calf tags usually go on sale at the same time as the leftover tags for antelope and deer doe/fawn tags?
3. Do they ever have leftover bull or buck tags that are OTC?
I started buying points a couple years ago and I decided to just buy points again this year for antelope, deer and elk. I am thinking that should familiarize myself with some areas over there hunting cows/does before burning my points in an area I don't know.
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A couple of questions for you seasoned vets that have hunted Wyoming in the past:
1. Does anyone know when their leftover cow/calf tags typically go on sale?
2. Do cow/calf tags usually go on sale at the same time as the leftover tags for antelope and deer doe/fawn tags?
3. Do they ever have leftover bull or buck tags that are OTC?
I started buying points a couple years ago and I decided to just buy points again this year for antelope, deer and elk. I am thinking that should familiarize myself with some areas over there hunting cows/does before burning my points in an area I don't know.
They have leftover buck and bull tags. Most of the bull elk tags will be for archery only or in wilderness areas where us lowly non residents must hire one of their guides to access. What a racket. I say boycott that crap.
There are plenty of leftover buck tags as well. More will be in the east part of the state but there are still plenty of buck tags in units with lots of public land, much unlike the elk scenario.
WG&F has all kinds of spreadsheets you can access on their website. You can see what units had leftover tags last year, as well as what the drawing odds are for every level of bonus points. It becomes a lot of paper to sift through, but you can pretty much plan everything to the T.
If you didnt know, you can put in for a difficult to draw unit for your first choice and one of the uits that will have leftover tags for your second and third choices.if you don't draw your first choice and get your second or third, you not only keep your bonus points but build another.
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A couple of questions for you seasoned vets that have hunted Wyoming in the past:
1. Does anyone know when their leftover cow/calf tags typically go on sale?
2. Do cow/calf tags usually go on sale at the same time as the leftover tags for antelope and deer doe/fawn tags?
3. Do they ever have leftover bull or buck tags that are OTC?
I started buying points a couple years ago and I decided to just buy points again this year for antelope, deer and elk. I am thinking that should familiarize myself with some areas over there hunting cows/does before burning my points in an area I don't know.
1. Last year it was July 17th. Check WY website for a 2014 date in the Leftover Licenses section and the Reduced Priced date.
2. No, the 17th date last year is the date for Reduced Price leftovers. The Full Price leftovers were available a week earlier last year.
3. Yes
You DO NOT lose your points if you pick up a Reduced Price tag - this includes if you snag one in the Leftover.
Just remember that the Leftover Tags typically are for areas which have difficult access (Private) or Wilderness Area hunts. Occasionally there are some diamonds in the ruff but you have to be quick to pull the trigger on those the day the Leftover's become available.
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I did know that I could put in and draw my 2nd or 3rd choice without losing my points. I figured buying a reduced price tag (if available) in an area that I want to draw in a couple of years might be the cheapest way to scout and learn the land before drawing one of the more elusive tags.
It sounds like I might have shafted myself for elk this year, but I will see what is available when the leftover tags go on sale. I guess it is all part of the process in learning a new area to hunt. :bash:
Bean Counter and 6x6in6, thanks for the helpful information. :tup:
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doesn't the moose and sheep application go till 2-28
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So a person can still buy points later this year?
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So a person can still buy points later this year?
POINTS ONLY can be purchased starting July 1 until September 30 I believe it is
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I have read and heard that weather kill. I heard in from Guy Eastmen and when I called the Jackson Fish and Game department they said it was rough on some of the areas. Not a big deal since I am getting points.
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So a person can still buy points later this year?
POINTS ONLY can be purchased starting July 1 until September 30 I believe it is
Correct. No license needed, either. $50 for elk + $40 for deer + $30 for pronghorn = $120 and you're done. easy. I'm debating whether I want to begin the decades long wait for sheep and moose... :dunno:
I have read and heard that weather kill. I heard in from Guy Eastmen and when I called the Jackson Fish and Game department they said it was rough on some of the areas. Not a big deal since I am getting points.
In the areas I am looking into near the Park they said it wasn't too bad. Maybe it varies throughout the state.
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There was a change made this year that affects non residents, and from what I read, people are saying it's not worth buying moose or sheep points in Wyoming as you will NEVER draw in your lifetime, no matter how many points you accumulate. Do some searching on Eastmans or Monster Muleys, you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Thanks Bobcat! You just saved me $175! :tup:
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I am in for WY antelope this year. :whoo:
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There was a change made this year that affects non residents, and from what I read, people are saying it's not worth buying moose or sheep points in Wyoming as you will NEVER draw in your lifetime, no matter how many points you accumulate. Do some searching on Eastmans or Monster Muleys, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Could you provide a link for this change? I am a member of Huntinfool and have not seen or heard of any thing that would indicate never getting drawn if you are non-resident..thanks!
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http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=258039&page=4 (http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=258039&page=4)
http://www.eastmans.com/forum/showthread.php/6496-Not-On-My-Watch (http://www.eastmans.com/forum/showthread.php/6496-Not-On-My-Watch)!
http://blog.eastmans.com/not-on-my-watch/ (http://blog.eastmans.com/not-on-my-watch/)
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I read that it won't get passed this year (update on MM from a couple days ago), but there is momentum and it will get done in the near future. There seem to be a lot of people that think it will get scaled back to just the OIL species (this year's bill had a 90/10 split for ALL species). So yeah, looks like our moose and sheep points might get significantly watered down in the near future.
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Thanks for putting the links! Well, looks like it's a gamble...don't buy a point, or buy a point hoping it doesn't change... but if it doesn't and you don't buy a point, that is one less year/point for ya... hmmmm...
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7,800 non residents shelling out $100 /yr =$780,000. thats just for points and just for bighorn. I guess they want less revenue in the future.
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MR.bailey how many sheep points did you give-up on
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There was a change made this year that affects non residents, and from what I read, people are saying it's not worth buying moose or sheep points in Wyoming as you will NEVER draw in your lifetime, no matter how many points you accumulate. Do some searching on Eastmans or Monster Muleys, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Bobcat, do you have any update on this issue? I looked around and cant find any update.
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It's looking like it will go into effect for the 2016 hunting season. It isn't law yet but from what I've read most people are expecting it to pass.
Here's something I found on it:
Wyoming currently sets aside 25 percent of tags for bighorn sheep and mountain goats and 20 percent of moose tags for nonresidents. Hicks’ bill would reduce that allocation to 10 percent for nonresidents for all three species.
Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/government-and-politics/bill-would-cut-coveted-wyoming-hunting-tags-for-nonresidents/article_68752887-4e4b-5597-a855-ddd6601e9a69.html#ixzz3PL6nRfrn (http://billingsgazette.com/news/government-and-politics/bill-would-cut-coveted-wyoming-hunting-tags-for-nonresidents/article_68752887-4e4b-5597-a855-ddd6601e9a69.html#ixzz3PL6nRfrn)
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All in for elk but points on everything else.
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I am doing points as well. I heard the winter was pretty bad.
I've been hearing the same thing. I'm going to start putting some points away for 2016.
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I am doing points as well. I heard the winter was pretty bad.
I've been hearing the same thing. I'm going to start putting some points away for 2016.
The post you quoted is from last year. This winter in Wyoming has been very mild, from what I've heard.
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The post you quoted is from last year. This winter in Wyoming has been very mild, from what I've heard.
Sweet! :IBCOOL:
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Points for us as well this year we will have four points next season which with point creep isn't much, but I am hoping to burn our deer, and pronghorn points at the same time. It seems from what your read these days Wyoming is not the big game mecca it used to be. I am hoping a mild winter this year will make for a better experience for the kids next year.
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The post you quoted is from last year. This winter in Wyoming has been very mild, from what I've heard.
Sweet! :IBCOOL:
Oops! Sorry newbie mistake. Getting a little anxious for hunting season I think :)
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10 days to go for your guys about results???
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10 days to go for your guys about results???
Wyoming's website says results will be posted on the 27th. Usually Wyoming posts 5-7 days earlier than what they post on the website. So we are getting really close to knowing results.