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Title: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 16, 2014, 11:04:00 PM
Anyone have a Springfield XDs? How do you like it?

Everytime I see the news ad's on this site it makes me want to look at one. Guess the marketing is paying off, hope bearpaw got good money  :chuckle:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 17, 2014, 12:14:57 AM
Yup. Check out this review i did with mine:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,99989.msg1299495.html#msg1299495 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,99989.msg1299495.html#msg1299495)
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2014, 06:50:49 AM
I love my XD.45 4" for home protection, but I carry a smaller Ruger on me. I've had only one jam and that was only after having shot about 50-100 cartridges through it. I love the double stack because it makes it an assault handgun!  :chuckle: It shoots very tight groups. I've been thinking about getting a laser sight for it, too. I love the laser on the LC9 (although it's needing new batteries right now).
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Mongo Hunter on January 17, 2014, 06:53:37 AM
Heard a lot of good things about them  and have several friends that own them. I personally don't like the standard XD but I really like the XDM.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: ICEMAN on January 17, 2014, 06:58:48 AM
I love my xdm in 9mm.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 17, 2014, 07:35:02 AM
He's asking about the XDS, not the XD. I have an 45 XDS and it's been at Springfield since October for a recall. I liked it when I had it for a week before it went back. If you get one, make sure it's been fixed. I guess someone had an accidental discharge.

I was told Springfield fixed 4 -5 things on the pistol. You can one way if it's been back by a NEW 3rd roll pin installed on the safety grip. Or call them with the serial number and ask.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2014, 07:50:25 AM
He's asking about the XDS, not the XD. I have an 45 XDS and it's been at Springfield since October for a recall. I liked it when I had it for a week before it went back. If you get one, make sure it's been fixed. I guess someone had an accidental discharge.

I was told Springfield fixed 4 -5 things on the pistol. You can one way if it's been back by a NEW 3rd roll pin installed on the safety grip. Or call them with the serial number and ask.

I guess I was confused that he wrote XDs (like the plural of XD), instead of XD-S (the actual model designation). Please continue. I still like it.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 17, 2014, 07:53:16 AM
I noticed they are offering a 4 inch barrel xds now too. I would look at that one. I looked at them but I opted for my kimber ultra carry instead. They seem like great guns.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 17, 2014, 07:54:25 AM
Love my .45 5" tactical. A bit heavy all loaded up (13 rds) but it shoot great groups. The only issue feeding was on my first attept at reloads and I expanded a bit deep. Minor adjustment :chuckle:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 17, 2014, 08:09:49 AM
I always figured the only reason to get an XD was for the Hi-Cap magazine.  Had an XD-45 and an XD-40.  When I got an FNX-9, I was so impressed, I sold my XD's and got an FNP-40 and an FNX-45.  I like a hammer on my pistols.  And I like the decocker feature.  Just can't get excited about striker-fired guns.  And, the FNH's are made in the USA!  :tup:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 17, 2014, 08:15:10 AM
He's asking about the XDS, not the XD. I have an 45 XDS and it's been at Springfield since October for a recall. I liked it when I had it for a week before it went back. If you get one, make sure it's been fixed. I guess someone had an accidental discharge.

I was told Springfield fixed 4 -5 things on the pistol. You can one way if it's been back by a NEW 3rd roll pin installed on the safety grip. Or call them with the serial number and ask.

I guess I was confused that he wrote XDs (like the plural of XD), instead of XD-S (the actual model designation). Please continue. I still like it.


Maybe I'm confused.......let's see if it gets corrected as to his question.

I also had a full size 45 XD and got rid of it. It was like an anchor on my side. Too big and heavy for everyday carry.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on January 17, 2014, 08:23:49 AM
[quote author=CAMPMEAT link=topic=145441.msg1927294#msg1927294 date=1389975310

I also had a full size 45 XD and got rid of it. It was like an anchor on my side. Too big and heavy for everyday carry.
[/quote]

I got news for you, Camp-the FNX-45 is as heavy as the XD-45!  But it's got a hammer!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 17, 2014, 08:41:39 AM
[quote author=CAMPMEAT link=topic=145441.msg1927294#msg1927294 date=1389975310

I also had a full size 45 XD and got rid of it. It was like an anchor on my side. Too big and heavy for everyday carry.

I got news for you, Camp-the FNX-45 is as heavy as the XD-45!  But it's got a hammer!  :chuckle:
[/quote]



Mine was a good shooter, but I like compacts better.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 17, 2014, 09:18:05 AM
Thanks for the input guys.

Yeah I meant the XD-S. I dont own any single stack pistols and am thinking i would like it. Im a big guy but have small hands (7 inches from base of palm to tip of middle finger)
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 17, 2014, 09:26:49 AM
Thanks for the input guys.

Yeah I meant the XD-S. I dont own any single stack pistols and am thinking i would like it. Im a big guy but have small hands (7 inches from base of palm to tip of middle finger)


I'm a big stud with big paws myself. The gun feels good to shoot, even in my paws........7x4 inches. Same as you.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 17, 2014, 10:00:22 AM
The .45 XD-S is comfortable to hold, slim and compact. The grip is textured to grip the hand well but the grip being as short as it is( It may fit others hands better ) it is a tough customer to completely control with double taps and rapid firing. Unless you have a death grip on it, it forces you to re adjust  your grip due to lively recoil with full house loads as in 230 Hydra shock & Corbon's. After shooting it and several friends shooting it the general consensus was a shoulder shrug and on to the next one. I like a more controllable handgun. My Clark Custom Springfield Champion shoots double taps and rapid fires like a champ but it has a slightly longer standard grip, it makes a world of difference.

I also have the XDM competition in .45 and a standard XD in 9mm. I would reach for any of the XD's before I would reach for the XD-S in .45.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: TheHunt on January 17, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
Thanks for the input guys.

Yeah I meant the XD-S. I dont own any single stack pistols and am thinking i would like it. Im a big guy but have small hands (7 inches from base of palm to tip of middle finger)

So you have arms and hands like a tyrannosaurus rex.  short and tiny!!!   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I'm a big stud with big paws myself. The gun feels good to shoot, even in my paws........7x4 inches. Same as you.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 17, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
Thanks for the input guys.

Yeah I meant the XD-S. I dont own any single stack pistols and am thinking i would like it. Im a big guy but have small hands (7 inches from base of palm to tip of middle finger)

So you have arms and hands like a tyrannosaurus rex.  short and tiny!!!   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I'm a big stud with big paws myself. The gun feels good to shoot, even in my paws........7x4 inches. Same as you.

6'2 230ish, long arms and legs.......but wear size 9 shoes and have small hands. standard stapler for reference  :dunno: :chuckle:

Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 17, 2014, 01:48:21 PM
Thanks for the input guys.

Yeah I meant the XD-S. I dont own any single stack pistols and am thinking i would like it. Im a big guy but have small hands (7 inches from base of palm to tip of middle finger)

So you have arms and hands like a tyrannosaurus rex.  short and tiny!!!   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I'm a big stud with big paws myself. The gun feels good to shoot, even in my paws........7x4 inches. Same as you.

6'2 230ish, long arms and legs.......but wear size 9 and have small hands. standard stapler for reference  :dunno: :chuckle:



I put Pearce Extensions on mine for my, pinky finger to have something to grip.

As for a  reference, I can't use mine........ :chuckle:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Gutpile on January 18, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
Anyone have a Springfield XDs? How do you like it?

Everytime I see the news ad's on this site it makes me want to look at one. Guess the marketing is paying off, hope bearpaw got good money  :chuckle:

I love it. I have many pistols and don't get all googoo very often but I absolutely love my XDs. I really cant believe a pistol this size is so controllable in 45. I HIGHLY recommend it.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: splitshot on January 18, 2014, 09:38:45 PM
  am going to get an xds-9 as soon as my tax refund hits my doorstep.  I have an xdm-9 and an xd-9.  is that too much even if a pair of 357's sits with them.  I am a little stud with big hands and big feet.   mike w
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: splitshot on January 18, 2014, 09:45:24 PM
  you can get an xds-9 at precision combat in Spokane for $499.  don't know where they are.   mike w
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 18, 2014, 11:19:48 PM
Have shot and have seen shot many rounds thru and XDS, in both 45 and in 9mm. With extended mags, they were both phenominal shooters, both for accuraccy and for quick doubles and 5 count speed drills. Also, very easy do hit at disatance (130 yrds) with this gun with controlled fire... A BIG thumbs up!
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: RadSav on January 19, 2014, 02:42:35 AM
I picked up an XDM from a member on here.  It's been a great gun!  Coming from a 1911 and having small hands it took some getting used to.  Finally had to work on getting my approach to the grip just a little bit different.  Took about three months to become second nature like the 1911 was.  Now sights line up perfect even in rather fast target acquisition.  I'm not going to say it shoots better than my old Delta Elite, but I think I'm liking it more.  Only thing I have a problem with is the magazine.  None of the three I have like being loaded to full capacity.  I run them two short (11) and they perform flawlessly.  Not always the case when loaded with twelve or thirteen rounds.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: JLS on January 19, 2014, 06:58:52 AM
I carry an XDS 45 with me about everywhere I go.  I love it, very nice shooting gun.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 19, 2014, 07:20:07 AM
I just got mine back after Springfield having it for 3 months for the recall. Now when I rack the slide back, with the mag out, to eject the round in the chamber, it does a sideways stovepipe. WTF ! Never did it before. I'm using Hornady TAP 230 grn ammo. They monkeyed with and replaced 4 things and I think one is the extractor. Anybody else's gun do this ?
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Gutpile on January 19, 2014, 07:36:23 AM
  you can get an xds-9 at precision combat in Spokane for $499.  don't know where they are.   mike w

White Elephant too. Precision combat is downtown near the old costco and north of Docks burgers. Cant remember the street but you could google them.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 22, 2014, 07:38:27 PM
I just got mine back after Springfield having it for 3 months for the recall. Now when I rack the slide back, with the mag out, to eject the round in the chamber, it does a sideways stovepipe. WTF ! Never did it before. I'm using Hornady TAP 230 grn ammo. They monkeyed with and replaced 4 things and I think one is the extractor. Anybody else's gun do this ?
every one I have seen come back work flawless with a variety of ammo.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: hillbilli on January 22, 2014, 08:21:43 PM
dont have an XDS, but borrowed one from a friend to shoot, just to see. It can  rip a ragged inch or so hole in the target at 10 yards, just like my Glock, but recoil is a little sharper than the glock 23 (compact .40). not unmanageable, but after about half a box of shells you might find you are done for the day.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 22, 2014, 08:35:47 PM
I love mine. I find the recoil very manageable considering its a 45 in a vary small frame.  I had a LC9 and absolutely  hated it. That's the only gun I have actually sold. I swore I would never sell a gun, but in my opinion it was garbage. I don't think you will be disappointed with the XDs


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Title: Re: XDs
Post by: XsyntaX on January 22, 2014, 10:30:58 PM
I've got an XDM 9mm 3.8" barrel, conceal and carry with a Comp-Tac S-TAC holster.....absolutely love it. I've shot somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 rounds through it, both reloaded and factory ammo. Never had an issue. Two thumbs up, can't say enough good things about it.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 23, 2014, 07:18:02 AM
I guess we're still stock on the XD thing. For those that don't know the XD-S is completely different than the XD or XDm. It's a sub compact single stack. Almost a pocket pistol. 


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Title: XDs
Post by: XsyntaX on January 23, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
I guess we're still stock on the XD thing. For those that don't know the XD-S is completely different than the XD or XDm. It's a sub compact single stack. Almost a pocket pistol. 


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Agreed, I misinterpreted the original post as it looks like many others did too, thinking Caseyd meant XDs ( as in plural XD not XD-S ).
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: ELKBURGER on January 23, 2014, 12:52:14 PM
I guess we're still stock on the XD thing. For those that don't know the XD-S is completely different than the XD or XDm. It's a sub compact single stack. Almost a pocket pistol. 


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Agreed, I misinterpreted the original post as it looks like many others did too, thinking Caseyd meant XDs ( as in plural XD not XD-S ).
Im guilty too
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 23, 2014, 12:54:08 PM
Still helps though...gives me an idea of Springfield since i dont currently own one.

But yes specificlly the XD-S
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: DeerHarvester on January 23, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
If you can, go shoot one. I have several  everyday carry guns, but I go to the XDs more than others.  I have came to the conclusion there isn't just one do all gun. My clothing dictates what I carry. I know many will disagree, but I want to be comfortable.  The XDs is easy to conceal.


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Title: Re: XDs
Post by: FC on January 23, 2014, 02:00:20 PM
Still helps though...gives me an idea of Springfield since i dont currently own one.

But yes specificlly the XD-S

I had an XD(m) in 9mm and while ultra reliable, tough and extremely accurate I despised the trigger. That long creepy trigger pull gave me a flinch that took me a bit to get rid of. I did a trigger job on the gun and it had a quite nice trigger after that but I had fallen out of love with it by that time.

Go shoot one, all of the XD series that I have shot had that same crappy trigger. If you can live with that then they are incredible guns. Aside from that the boxy shape was a pita to conceal as my clothes would catch on the corners.

While shopping you should have a look at some of what Sig Sauer has to offer.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Duckwacker on January 24, 2014, 01:10:22 PM
 :bdid: Buy Glock . Xd's are just cheap copys same with the M&P.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 24, 2014, 04:54:09 PM
:bdid: Buy Glock . Xd's are just cheap copys same with the M&P.
Funny, but untrue.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 24, 2014, 04:59:44 PM
:bdid: Buy Glock . Xd's are just cheap copys same with the M&P.
Funny, but untrue.
:yeah:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 24, 2014, 05:21:30 PM
:bdid: Buy Glock . Xd's are just cheap copys same with the M&P.

I agree concerning the M&Craps.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 24, 2014, 06:39:52 PM
I own glocks....this isn't my first pistol. Just want to try something different.

FC I agree that Sig makes some nice pistols. I shoot a 229 extremely well. But for this "quest" I'm on a lower price point  ;)
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 24, 2014, 06:50:19 PM
I just got mine back after Springfield having it for 3 months for the recall. Now when I rack the slide back, with the mag out, to eject the round in the chamber, it does a sideways stovepipe. WTF ! Never did it before. I'm using Hornady TAP 230 grn ammo. They monkeyed with and replaced 4 things and I think one is the extractor. Anybody else's gun do this ?
every one I have seen come back work flawless with a variety of ammo.



I called Springfield and they have had problems with what I described. Funny how they wouldn't have a recall on that too. That's a big safety issue too.

So, off to Springfield again for another fix............... >:(
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 24, 2014, 09:12:13 PM
Send it to Clark Custom, they'll fix a Springfield right up for you.

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Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 24, 2014, 09:49:24 PM
Send it to Clark Custom, they'll fix a Springfield right up for you.

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Those are purdy.......
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 24, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
Before this thread goes sideways, I would suggest to the OP to find a buddy who may have one, or find a range where you can test drive one, and get a feel for it dor yourself. I think you will be pleasently happy!
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 25, 2014, 10:22:28 AM
I went to go shoot one last Monday but the range program pistols are still out for warranty work since they are owned by Springfield and are lower in the list for repair.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 25, 2014, 10:34:43 AM
If ever in Wenatchee I can hook up a test fire with either a 9 or a 45!
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Caseyd on January 25, 2014, 11:53:42 AM
Sounds good. I might be over that way on the 1st since the fiance will be doing some catering testing.


Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 25, 2014, 12:09:02 PM
Cool, let me know!

Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 25, 2014, 04:41:54 PM
A quick double tap from the low ready position, with warm 185's. I had been shooting outside with out gloves for 2 1/2 hours so my stiff fingers were a bit slow.
On a warm day i can get to .65 rather easy.
 As you can see the XDs is very controllable and doesn't need a 'death grip'

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Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 25, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
A quick double tap from the low ready position, with warm 185's. I had been shooting outside with out gloves for 2 1/2 hours so my stiff fingers were a bit slow.
On a warm day i can get to .65 rather easy.
 As you can see the XDs is very controllable and doesn't need a 'death grip'


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Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 25, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
I know some folks who have had problems with Clark builds..
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mrolen on January 25, 2014, 05:37:19 PM
Clark does good work. The only bad thing I have read about them was a couple year old thread on snipers hide.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 27, 2014, 08:07:15 PM
I remember that one.. ;)
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 27, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
I use a death grip on a XDS and Clark's are hotrod stuff. May take them a bit to get it right but when they do. It will run hard against anything.  :tup:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 27, 2014, 08:56:06 PM
 ;) yup, thats what Ive heard.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 27, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
Same here. ;) BTW the 230gr recoil more than the 185's no matter how you paint the picture, 45gr difference there. My original post referred to the 230's. The 185's are comfy to shoot. The 230gr are my preferred bullet in a .45. With the 185's a guy might as well be shooting a .40.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 27, 2014, 09:19:30 PM
With the low cap mag it is a handfull, but the plus mag, double taps are no problem with the hot stuff, and hits on target out to 130 yrds are quite simple. I know several ladies who find AND shoot this gun extrodinary! :)
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 27, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
You can speak for yourself and others all day, this is all in response to my "Death grip" remark. With 230gr full house loads in a XDS you need to be really holding on to it with double taps. Doesn't matter if your a guy, gal or alien. You can't change physics. I made simple remarks as to how it handles for me, it may handle different for others, sly remarks won't change the facts or my opinion and or experiences.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 28, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
Springfield XDS .45 ACP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeZFCtzgNw#ws)
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 28, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
He had issues and she had misses. Not impressed. There's a whole lot of difference between just shooting a handgun and driving a handgun. That was just shooting.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: FC on January 28, 2014, 02:27:32 PM
He had issues and she had misses. Not impressed. There's a whole lot of difference between just shooting a handgun and driving a handgun. That was just shooting.

If that was all the better I could do I wouldn't be shooting where anyone could see me!
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 28, 2014, 02:38:13 PM
He had issues and she had misses. Not impressed. There's a whole lot of difference between just shooting a handgun and driving a handgun. That was just shooting.

If that was all the better I could do I wouldn't be shooting where anyone could see me!

 :tup:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 28, 2014, 03:29:05 PM
SPRINGFIELD XDs FIRST SHOTS / IMPRESSIONS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtnDae4P2I8#ws)
Hows this?Someone that CAN shoot :tup:
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Jingles on January 28, 2014, 03:40:02 PM
Handled and tested both the Glock and the XD only way you'll get the XD away from me is to pry it from my rigamortus (sp) stiffened fingers, Added Crimson Trace grips and I feel it is the Cats meow now.
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mrolen on January 29, 2014, 04:26:40 PM
great shooting guns if you maintain a proper grip double taps are not an issue... with 230s
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 29, 2014, 04:34:23 PM
great shooting guns if you maintain a proper grip double taps are not an issue... with 230s

Especially when shooting them 130 yards. HAHAHA!!! 

Send in the Jester!
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 29, 2014, 04:54:15 PM
Handled and tested both the Glock and the XD only way you'll get the XD away from me is to pry it from my rigamortus (sp) stiffened fingers, Added Crimson Trace grips and I feel it is the Cats meow now.




Does yours jam when you rack the round out of the chamber manually ? Springfield told me they are having extractor issues. Mine is back at the factory getting fixed again........ >:(
Title: Re: XDs
Post by: mountainman on January 29, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
great shooting guns if you maintain a proper grip double taps are not an issue... with 230s

:yeah:this and the new 4" version are both kick azz carry guns! ;) :tung:
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