Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
I have never killed a turkey, not that I haven't tried. Missed a nice Tom once.
But I have promised myself I will never shoot one off the roost. And the folks that hunt with me know how I feel about it. So far non in my group have done it.
What do you and your group think about killing a turkey at all cost no matter what it takes?
Post by: seth30 on January 26, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
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Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2014, 04:35:48 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
Post by: Birdguy on January 26, 2014, 04:51:44 PM
No, I would not, I have killed a few turkeys and been skunked several years as well. Killing a turkey is a special time when you have either called one in (the best feeling) or outsmarted one, and it all comes together. Shooting one off the roost ranks up there with snagging salmon when no one is around, I do not see how one could do it and still feel as proud as someone who did it another way (just not the way I was taught). That said if done within legal hours and hunting conditions I do not know I would hold it against someone for one time, if it became habit that would be different.
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 04:52:54 PM
Absoluetely not! And I wouldn't let anyone with me do it either! Zero sport in it and classless in my opinion.
ive never shot a turkey off the roost but.... if you shot a deer in its bed would it be classless? is it only sporting to shoot a buck thats called in? where is the difference?
Post by: washelkhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:02:41 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
Post by: snowpack on January 26, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:13:07 PM
Huge difference! Killing a deer in its bed takes actual hunting skills, woodsmanship and stealth. Killing a turkey in its roost is as simple as getting one to gobble and then strolling up underneath him and waiting until legal light! When a deer is bedded it is usually in a difficult place to stalk on them. Even when bedded a deer is still alert and ready to bolt at danger. As long as its fairly dark, you can stand under a turkey or group of turkeys and sing them songs and they will not fly!
It's a "fair chase" thing then. What about coming across one long after sunrise?
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:15:36 PM
If you have a personal rule that prohibits you from sluicing a bird out the tree then good on you :tup:
I have a ton of "rules" and challenges, but I won't force them upon you all under the hammer of public scrutiny.
So while I won't shoot one out of a tree as I see no point in it....I won't bash someone else for doing it, unless I had that flock pegged the night before and was set up to call them. Where I hunt turkey though there's usually only one road in and I'll park out of the way but make it obvious I'm down there. If they drove past me and sluiced one then I'd be a little hot under the collar I suppose - but then that doesn't really have anything to do with turkey hunting, that's just being an *censored*.
Have you ever sluiced a grouse off a dirt road? It's the same thing if you ask an upland guy with a prized bird dog.
Have you ever shot a running phez? Same thing
Shot a duck on the water? Same thing!
So don't get on here bashing the way someone else does something just because YOU don't think it's ethical. The more I read HW the more I'm turning away from what's seen as ethical and relying on what's Legal.
The problem is if enough people see something as unethical pretty soon it's prohibited - hounds anyone?
(I'm not talking to anyone in particular, so don't take offense)
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 26, 2014, 05:16:44 PM
Opening day of the youth season had us parked under a tree with turkeys roosting in it. He asked if he could shoot one out of the tree. I had never hunted turkeys before, but i explained to him that it would not be right, although legal it isn't what we are out here for.
He is now 14 and still hasn't taken a turkey. Every year we make plans to do it, but something always gets in the way. We have been invited to hunt with some great people on here but haven't hit the mark yet.
We will. I would really like for him to get a turkey. He still has dreams about those turkeys.
Post by: runamuk on January 26, 2014, 05:22:25 PM
now if we want to start comparing personal rules I have some doozies that I dont even expect my closest friends to live up to, hence why they are MY personal rules of ethics and mores... I just dont extend them to turkeys, I'd probably hit a turkey with a truck too given the option....I really dont like turkeys...or alligators or sharks I would also run over an alligator....and I brake for squirrels...so go figure :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:27:47 PM
If it's legal then no one has a right to complain how another hunter harvests his/her kill. (as long as it's done clean and quick)The question was would I do it and I answered. I never said that its my way or the highway. Turkeys are a different creature from deer and elk so to compare them in the same manner is incorrect. If a guy wants to go around blasting birds out of trees then go for it, but not in my camp.
If you have a personal rule that prohibits you from sluicing a bird out the tree then good on you :tup:
I have a ton of "rules" and challenges, but I won't force them upon you all under the hammer of public scrutiny.
Have you ever sluiced a grouse off a dirt road? It's the same thing if you ask an upland guy with a prized bird dog.
Have you ever shot a running phez? Same thing
Shot a duck on the water? Same thing!
So don't get on here bashing the way someone else does something just because YOU don't think it's ethical. The more I read HW the more I'm turning away from what's seen as ethical and relying on what's Legal.
The problem is if enough people see something as unethical pretty soon it's prohibited - hounds anyone?
They pitch down in the morning and don't pitch into their roost until evening. In my 12 years of chasing turkeys I have yet to see or hear one in the roost during the day.Huge difference! Killing a deer in its bed takes actual hunting skills, woodsmanship and stealth. Killing a turkey in its roost is as simple as getting one to gobble and then strolling up underneath him and waiting until legal light! When a deer is bedded it is usually in a difficult place to stalk on them. Even when bedded a deer is still alert and ready to bolt at danger. As long as its fairly dark, you can stand under a turkey or group of turkeys and sing them songs and they will not fly!
It's a "fair chase" thing then. What about coming across one long after sunrise?
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:31:28 PM
but if it were a deer camp and someone arrowed a turkey out of a tree because they had an unfilled tag from turkey camp would you disown them then?
Or would you put that sucker on a spit over a bed of coals and have a deer camp feast?
Post by: Huntbear on January 26, 2014, 05:32:37 PM
Huge difference! Killing a deer in its bed takes actual hunting skills, woodsmanship and stealth. Killing a turkey in its roost is as simple as getting one to gobble and then strolling up underneath him and waiting until legal light! When a deer is bedded it is usually in a difficult place to stalk on them. Even when bedded a deer is still alert and ready to bolt at danger. As long as its fairly dark, you can stand under a turkey or group of turkeys and sing them songs and they will not fly!
IF, I am shooting me new .300 Super duper long range killem dead at 1 gazillion yards new fangled rifle... no stalking, no stealth, no woodmanship.. find the bedded deer with a spotting scope.. get em in the crosshairs and blam... dead deer... never left its bed.. I never left the rock 1000 yards away... what is the difference than taking a bird in a tree...????? Not trying to start an arguement, but hell, same difference.
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 05:35:15 PM
Huge difference! Killing a deer in its bed takes actual hunting skills, woodsmanship and stealth. Killing a turkey in its roost is as simple as getting one to gobble and then strolling up underneath him and waiting until legal light! When a deer is bedded it is usually in a difficult place to stalk on them. Even when bedded a deer is still alert and ready to bolt at danger. As long as its fairly dark, you can stand under a turkey or group of turkeys and sing them songs and they will not fly!
it doesnt necessarily take hunting skill to shoot a bedded deer. im willing to bet there are guys here who have sat at a shooting bench chain smoking marlboros and talking making no attempt at stealth or stalking and shot a bedded deer at 700 yards. good shooting, but not necessarily hunting skills. gonna cry about maximum allowable yardage on a rifle shot now? who decides that?
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 05:36:39 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:37:01 PM
BLR I wouldn't have anyone in my camp either that did that, it's not hunting.Then all your left with is a dead stinky turkey! :puke: They sure aren't a butterball!
that's the kind of thing you do when you just want to kill a turkey out of your back yard because they been getting in your flowerbeds.
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:37:31 PM
everyone wants everyone else to be subjected to the same rules they impose upon themselves, that is what I'm against.
Post by: cbond3318 on January 26, 2014, 05:39:48 PM
Post by: runamuk on January 26, 2014, 05:41:07 PM
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everyone wants everyone else to be subjected to the same rules they impose upon themselves, that is what I'm against.
me too...we agree again...good googly moogly we could end up pals and stuff :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Birdguy on January 26, 2014, 05:42:15 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:43:34 PM
Post by: Machias on January 26, 2014, 05:44:03 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:45:30 PM
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everyone wants everyone else to be subjected to the same rules they impose upon themselves, that is what I'm against.
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 05:46:25 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
I couldn't imagine letting a kid sluice one out of a tree and miss out on how much fun calling them in is, but that is just me!
Hell I get all excited when I'm staring at a big eyeball 4 feet away :chuckle:
Post by: washelkhunter on January 26, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
The difference is you are shooting a turkey at 50 yds. Can you walk right up under a deer that has an elevated position on you and get 50yds away and just blast them? NO! A turkey feels completely safe in a tree in low light. You can literally YELL at them! Like I said they are a completely different animal from deer and elk so to compare them is not accurate. It would be more accurate to compare it to resting your rifle on the fence at Oak Creek feeding station and shooting an elk. That would be an accurate comparison.
OK, I get it. Thanks for explaining the logic of it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:53:08 PM
whatever dude, you can easily shoot a bedded deer without using hunting skills. im glad that you have everything figured out about what all is acceptable for everybody and what isnt. maybe you could brief us on what maximum shooting range is acceptable with a rifle for deer, what is acceptable for archery, how about coyotes? is it hunting to use an electronic call or should we all use blades of grass? id also like to know if using scent away products is hunting, or if its not hunting, and you just have to play wind? please elaborate on all of these and more, since you seem to be the guy who sets all the standards for everybodyCalm yourself man! I'm not telling you what to do or not to do. Go back and read what I posted. I have tried several times to explain how a bird acts on the roost. You are the one trying to tell us all they act like deer. All I did was say I won't shoot a bird on the roost and won't allow my hunting partners to do so either. You are the one that got all pissy saying its the same as shooting a deer.
If you want to blast a bird out of a tree go for it! He will just look down at you and probably gobble! Hell he might only be 8-10ft off the ground. If its real dark you could climb the tree and just grab him! Just like a deer right? :tup: If you know nothing about an animal don't try and lecture others on their habits.
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 05:53:55 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
whatever dude, you can easily shoot a bedded deer without using hunting skills. im glad that you have everything figured out about what all is acceptable for everybody and what isnt. maybe you could brief us on what maximum shooting range is acceptable with a rifle for deer, what is acceptable for archery, how about coyotes? is it hunting to use an electronic call or should we all use blades of grass? id also like to know if using scent away products is hunting, or if its not hunting, and you just have to play wind? please elaborate on all of these and more, since you seem to be the guy who sets all the standards for everybodyInside 50yds?
Post by: PolarBear on January 26, 2014, 05:56:07 PM
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 05:56:50 PM
whatever dude, you can easily shoot a bedded deer without using hunting skills. im glad that you have everything figured out about what all is acceptable for everybody and what isnt. maybe you could brief us on what maximum shooting range is acceptable with a rifle for deer, what is acceptable for archery, how about coyotes? is it hunting to use an electronic call or should we all use blades of grass? id also like to know if using scent away products is hunting, or if its not hunting, and you just have to play wind? please elaborate on all of these and more, since you seem to be the guy who sets all the standards for everybodyInside 50yds?
who cares what the range is if its unsporting. if you think that makes a difference than essentially youre saying that as long as you use marksmanship it makes up for a lack of woodsmanship. just stop already.
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 05:58:45 PM
whatever dude, you can easily shoot a bedded deer without using hunting skills. im glad that you have everything figured out about what all is acceptable for everybody and what isnt. maybe you could brief us on what maximum shooting range is acceptable with a rifle for deer, what is acceptable for archery, how about coyotes? is it hunting to use an electronic call or should we all use blades of grass? id also like to know if using scent away products is hunting, or if its not hunting, and you just have to play wind? please elaborate on all of these and more, since you seem to be the guy who sets all the standards for everybodyCalm yourself man! I'm not telling you what to do or not to do. Go back and read what I posted. I have tried several times to explain how a bird acts on the roost. You are the one trying to tell us all they act like deer. All I did was say I won't shoot a bird on the roost and won't allow my hunting partners to do so either. You are the one that got all pissy saying its the same as shooting a deer.
i didnt say turkeys act like deer. and i didnt say its the same as shooting deer. i said shooting a roosted turkey is no less sporting than shooting a bedded deer at extremely long range. dont put words in my mouth
If you want to blast a bird out of a tree go for it! He will just look down at you and probably gobble! Hell he might only be 8-10ft off the ground. If its real dark you could climb the tree and just grab him! Just like a deer right? :tup: If you know nothing about an animal don't try and lecture others on their habits.
i never said anything about turkeys habits never lectured anybody about them. never said i wanted to shoot one from roost. and i wouldnt say i know nothing about turkey. i see them every single day. theyre pests around here.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:02:19 PM
i think what it boils down to is... who cares how somebody else gets their two spring turkeys? doesnt hurt you any. hell turkeys arent even native here anyway. i dont care if somebody wants to fill their turkey tags by shooting off the roost. if they want to do that and take the fun out of it, just to fill their tags, thats their decisionIt does matter. We all share the woods together. Every year guys are shot by other hunters because they are set up working a bird and some knuckle head tries to stalk in on the tom and blasts him not knowing there was a hunter sitting under the tree directly behind the Tom. I know you would be pissed if you got shot in the face (if you lived). Some guys think knothing of stalking turkeys. Ethics and safety do go hand in hand in some cases
Post by: runamuk on January 26, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
I done a good job with the kids I take out, called turkey in within feet w/o a blind. Kids get so excited! Even w/o a shot fired they'll talk about that for months.
I couldn't imagine letting a kid sluice one out of a tree and miss out on how much fun calling them in is, but that is just me!
Hell I get all excited when I'm staring at a big eyeball 4 feet away :chuckle:
my son has been trying to call one in for 5 years he also hunts ducks and is adamant about the ethics......some of his other choices have kinda stunk but by gawd that boy takes bird hunting seriously. too each their own and I might feel differently if I actually liked turkeys I dont so as long as a person is legal whatever floats their boat.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:06:05 PM
Dude your really not getting this. It has nothing to do with marksmanship. We are talking the habits of the two different animals. If you are going to compare them you have to use the same variables. What part of that do you not understand. Turkey in its tree inside 50yds, deer inside 50yds. Not difficult to understand :dunno:whatever dude, you can easily shoot a bedded deer without using hunting skills. im glad that you have everything figured out about what all is acceptable for everybody and what isnt. maybe you could brief us on what maximum shooting range is acceptable with a rifle for deer, what is acceptable for archery, how about coyotes? is it hunting to use an electronic call or should we all use blades of grass? id also like to know if using scent away products is hunting, or if its not hunting, and you just have to play wind? please elaborate on all of these and more, since you seem to be the guy who sets all the standards for everybodyInside 50yds?
who cares what the range is if its unsporting. if you think that makes a difference than essentially youre saying that as long as you use marksmanship it makes up for a lack of woodsmanship. just stop already.
Post by: cbond3318 on January 26, 2014, 06:06:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
i think what it boils down to is... who cares how somebody else gets their two spring turkeys? doesnt hurt you any. hell turkeys arent even native here anyway. i dont care if somebody wants to fill their turkey tags by shooting off the roost. if they want to do that and take the fun out of it, just to fill their tags, thats their decisionIt does matter. We all share the woods together. Every year guys are shot by other hunters because they are set up working a bird and some knuckle head tries to stalk in on the tom and blasts him not knowing there was a hunter sitting under the tree directly behind the Tom. I know you would be pissed if you got shot in the face (if you lived). Some guys think knothing of stalking turkeys. Ethics and safety do go hand in hand in some cases
hunter safety is an entirely different issue. just stop already
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 06:12:11 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:12:57 PM
Then the safest way to kill a turkey would be to shoot it while roosting. Good point.There you go. I would suggest soaking breasts in salt water to draw out the nasty, cut in smaller strips, batter and deepfry. Makes them more palatable.
Post by: superdown on January 26, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
This is for you deaner :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:i think what it boils down to is... who cares how somebody else gets their two spring turkeys? doesnt hurt you any. hell turkeys arent even native here anyway. i dont care if somebody wants to fill their turkey tags by shooting off the roost. if they want to do that and take the fun out of it, just to fill their tags, thats their decisionIt does matter. We all share the woods together. Every year guys are shot by other hunters because they are set up working a bird and some knuckle head tries to stalk in on the tom and blasts him not knowing there was a hunter sitting under the tree directly behind the Tom. I know you would be pissed if you got shot in the face (if you lived). Some guys think knothing of stalking turkeys. Ethics and safety do go hand in hand in some cases
hunter safety is an entirely different issue. just stop already
Donny, you're out of your element (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks072waMayk#)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:17:01 PM
^^^^Your original post. Comparing shooting a bedded buck to a roosted bird. That is what we have been debating and what you have been repeating. If you had posted what you just did at the beginning we would not be having this conversation. I agree with you.Absoluetely not! And I wouldn't let anyone with me do it either! Zero sport in it and classless in my opinion.
ive never shot a turkey off the roost but.... if you shot a deer in its bed would it be classless? is it only sporting to shoot a buck thats called in? where is the difference?
Post by: scottcrb on January 26, 2014, 06:24:36 PM
Post by: Nice Racks on January 26, 2014, 06:27:19 PM
Post by: seth30 on January 26, 2014, 06:32:47 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:34:54 PM
Not to thread jack but I shoot crows out of trees all the time :chuckle:Whats your favorite recipe? :chuckle:
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 06:35:04 PM
Post by: coachcw on January 26, 2014, 06:36:50 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
I'm just gonna have RT climb the tree and scare the tom out ! If it happens to be a big old coon them we get another story about a bad ass fight.I got $20 on the raccoon! :chuckle:
Post by: deaner on January 26, 2014, 06:40:25 PM
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Post by: superdown on January 26, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
i think its worth saying, ive seen it mentioned here a couple times now that in other states, eastern states to be exact, its illegal to shoot them from a tree. i see why, because it obviously makes life easier... BUT these are states where turkey are native wildlife. fact is, they dont even belong in washington. they were brought here as a cash cropAll joking aside they are enjoyed as a game species for the thrill of the hunt if you want meat then go to the store.Just because they didn't have the drive or desire to cross the Mississippi on their own does not mean they should be decimated or taken in a unsporting fashion. :twocents:
Post by: superdown on January 26, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
okay superdown profile updated you thilly billy. ithnt that thooper?That's funny :tup:
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 06:47:55 PM
okay superdown profile updated you thilly billy. ithnt that thooper?Outstanding! :chuckle:
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Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2014, 07:07:36 PM
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everyone wants everyone else to be subjected to the same rules they impose upon themselves, that is what I'm against.
me too...we agree again...good googly moogly we could end up pals and stuff :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Look out you guys aren't going to start swapping spit now are you? :yike: :sry:
Post by: TheHunt on January 26, 2014, 07:11:35 PM
Post by: bowhunterwa87 on January 26, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Post by: Atroxus on January 26, 2014, 07:46:07 PM
If it's legal then no one has a right to complain how another hunter harvests his/her kill. (as long as it's done clean and quick)
If you have a personal rule that prohibits you from sluicing a bird out the tree then good on you :tup:
I have a ton of "rules" and challenges, but I won't force them upon you all under the hammer of public scrutiny.
So while I won't shoot one out of a tree as I see no point in it....I won't bash someone else for doing it, unless I had that flock pegged the night before and was set up to call them. Where I hunt turkey though there's usually only one road in and I'll park out of the way but make it obvious I'm down there. If they drove past me and sluiced one then I'd be a little hot under the collar I suppose - but then that doesn't really have anything to do with turkey hunting, that's just being an *censored*.
Have you ever sluiced a grouse off a dirt road? It's the same thing if you ask an upland guy with a prized bird dog.
Have you ever shot a running phez? Same thing
Shot a duck on the water? Same thing!
So don't get on here bashing the way someone else does something just because YOU don't think it's ethical. The more I read HW the more I'm turning away from what's seen as ethical and relying on what's Legal.
The problem is if enough people see something as unethical pretty soon it's prohibited - hounds anyone?
(I'm not talking to anyone in particular, so don't take offense)
:yeah: :yeah: I could not have said it better. Some of the posts on this forum makes me think at times that we hunters are doing more to hose each other than the Anti-Hunters could ever hope to.
I have never hunted turkeys...yet. I hope to try my hand at it some day, and if/when I do I would shoot a roosting turkey. I would also shoot a deer over bait, and ducks on the water as long as it is legal, and safe to do so. Maybe in the future as I become more skilled I will start putting additional restrictions on myself to make my hunts more challenging, but I am not there yet, and what one person might consider challenging, I might currently find impossible. :twocents:
Post by: Smossy on January 26, 2014, 07:51:14 PM
Post by: runamuk on January 26, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Naw pretty sure he is married and I am.... well .... I errr....hey look a turkey(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.strangecosmos.com%2Fimages%2Fcontent%2F147941.bmp&hash=9c292b65e196ef85458ccb2f086912746e13747d)
everyone wants everyone else to be subjected to the same rules they impose upon themselves, that is what I'm against.
me too...we agree again...good googly moogly we could end up pals and stuff :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Look out you guys aren't going to start swapping spit now are you? :yike: :sry:
Post by: superdown on January 26, 2014, 07:59:16 PM
If its legal. Im stickin em. Put to much money into everything to go home empty handed.I definitely shared that sentiment before i was successful but when you get that first and the following kills under your belt it quickly changes or it should then your able to actually define success from matter of course if that makes sense.
Post by: Smossy on January 26, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
Makes perfect sense, I haven't been successful on anything but grouse yet. First year really into everything.If its legal. Im stickin em. Put to much money into everything to go home empty handed.I definitely shared that sentiment before i was successful but when you get that first and the following kills under your belt it quickly changes or it should then your able to actually define success from matter of course if that makes sense.
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
1) is they're a pest and vermin if you own property and they're crapping on your hay stack and getting into your garden. In that instance they should be treated as vermin and shot. Turkey crap on your hay isn't good.
My other view is they are fun to call in! I only hunt the ones way up in the woods, so no farm turkeys for me. I never thought I'd enjoy calling them in. But WDFW gave my boy a free turkey tag so what the heck right? glad I did it what a hoot!
So I doubt I ever become a true turkey fanatic myself, I sure enjoy taking the kiddies out for a bird - especially the first bird. What a fantastic way to get kids into hunting :tup:
Post by: ICEMAN on January 26, 2014, 08:09:57 PM
Would you shoot a deer that was spooked over a ridge by other hunters, the deer running into 50 yards of you and looking back for the other hunters?
You have three hunters in a canyon slowly hunting the canyon floor, a bear begins to move into the open in front of you obvisouly pushed by your buddies presence. You shooting?
A hen mallard begins to drop into your spread, you have not shot a duck yet today, do you shoot?
Too many "unethical" shots to take out there if you ask around. Hunting ethics discussions always cause a lot of grief in my opinion.
I have met guys who would not shoot a tom out of a tree, but would cheat on their wifes or girlfriends. Just sayin'
If it is legal to shoot a tom out of a tree, I could see doing it.
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2014, 08:14:29 PM
I'd still arrow one though if I were deer hunting -needed some camp chow- and had a left over tag.
Post by: irishevox on January 26, 2014, 08:26:14 PM
Wow, think how many guys might be spooked to give their personal opinion on this subject from the attitude they may face.
Would you shoot a deer that was spooked over a ridge by other hunters, the deer running into 50 yards of you and looking back for the other hunters?
You have three hunters in a canyon slowly hunting the canyon floor, a bear begins to move into the open in front of you obvisouly pushed by your buddies presence. You shooting?
A hen mallard begins to drop into your spread, you have not shot a duck yet today, do you shoot?
Too many "unethical" shots to take out there if you ask around. Hunting ethics discussions always cause a lot of grief in my opinion.
I have met guys who would not shoot a tom out of a tree, but would cheat on their wifes or girlfriends. Just sayin'
If it is legal to shoot a tom out of a tree, I could see doing it.
Very well said ICE but I mean if it's legal why not and I would shoot a mallard hen and I would shoot the deer as well. So I mean I am not saying I would kill a turkey in his but if I hunted all season and didn't get one and I didn't want tag soup I would do it maybe on my last hunt if I hadn't killed one the whole season.
Post by: furbearer365 on January 26, 2014, 08:31:48 PM
Post by: packmule on January 26, 2014, 08:33:47 PM
This topic got worked over pretty good last year...see Yelp's response on page 5, that was a pretty good summation in that debate I thought.
To each their own, but no I wouldn't.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 26, 2014, 08:51:11 PM
Wow, think how many guys might be spooked to give their personal opinion on this subject from the attitude they may face.I don't think anyone has stated on this thread that if you did you are a horrible unethical person. Just like a guy shouldn't be chastised for doing it, a guy shouldn't be chastised for not doing it, or taking part in it. Goes both ways.
Would you shoot a deer that was spooked over a ridge by other hunters, the deer running into 50 yards of you and looking back for the other hunters?
You have three hunters in a canyon slowly hunting the canyon floor, a bear begins to move into the open in front of you obviously pushed by your buddies presence. You shooting?
A hen mallard begins to drop into your spread, you have not shot a duck yet today, do you shoot?
Too many "unethical" shots to take out there if you ask around. Hunting ethics discussions always cause a lot of grief in my opinion.
I have met guys who would not shoot a tom out of a tree, but would cheat on their wife's or girlfriends. Just say in'
If it is legal to shoot a tom out of a tree, I could see doing it.
Post by: huntnnw on January 26, 2014, 09:45:25 PM
Post by: deltaops on January 27, 2014, 08:43:47 AM
I will also teach my son the same thing. If it is legal, take the shot. What some think is unethical mat eventually become illegal. :bash:
People scream no more rules but then threads like this pop up and all of a sudden when someone does anything someone may consider unethical, OH MY GOODNESS! :yike:
You do your thing I will do my thing, as long as I am not doing anything illegal, nothing should matter.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on January 27, 2014, 09:57:55 AM
If it's legal then no one has a right to complain how another hunter harvests his/her kill. (as long as it's done clean and quick)well stated :brew:
If you have a personal rule that prohibits you from sluicing a bird out the tree then good on you :tup:
I have a ton of "rules" and challenges, but I won't force them upon you all under the hammer of public scrutiny.
So while I won't shoot one out of a tree as I see no point in it....I won't bash someone else for doing it, unless I had that flock pegged the night before and was set up to call them. Where I hunt turkey though there's usually only one road in and I'll park out of the way but make it obvious I'm down there. If they drove past me and sluiced one then I'd be a little hot under the collar I suppose - but then that doesn't really have anything to do with turkey hunting, that's just being an *censored*.
Have you ever sluiced a grouse off a dirt road? It's the same thing if you ask an upland guy with a prized bird dog.
Have you ever shot a running phez? Same thing
Shot a duck on the water? Same thing!
So don't get on here bashing the way someone else does something just because YOU don't think it's ethical. The more I read HW the more I'm turning away from what's seen as ethical and relying on what's Legal.
The problem is if enough people see something as unethical pretty soon it's prohibited - hounds anyone?
(I'm not talking to anyone in particular, so don't take offense)
Post by: LndShrk on January 27, 2014, 10:04:38 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 27, 2014, 10:06:23 AM
I like to flush them from the trees and shoot em on the wing. :tup:
:chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on January 27, 2014, 10:07:03 AM
I like to flush them from the trees and shoot em on the wing. :tup:
:chuckle:
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Post by: turkeydancer on January 27, 2014, 10:14:18 AM
Post by: jblackburn on January 27, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 27, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
Quote
It's not illegal, but with that said what fun is it to blast them off the roost.
Well, for me I always think it's more fun to shoot something than it is to shoot nothing.
A turkey is also bound to taste better than tag soup.
Post by: Holg3107 on January 27, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
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Would you shoot a turkey while it was on the roost? And if not would you hunt with someone who would or did?
1: No I have not and would not.
2: Nope, I like to hunt with like minded people. Yes I understand that it is legal and to each there own but I just don't get the point. If you are going to shoot a turkey out of the roost save yourself some money and buy a butterball. It also appears that many of the people who are willing to shoot a roosted turkey have little to no experience turkey hunting which may directly correlate to their misunderstanding of how truly unsporting it is to shoot a roosted turkey.
Illegal? Nope
Unethical? To me YES, to others no so to each their own.
Unsporting? Most definitely.
Post by: 3nails on January 27, 2014, 10:40:53 AM
once again its a bird! who cares:chuckle: My thoughts exactly.
Post by: KopperBuck on January 27, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
I like to flush them from the trees and shoot em on the wing. :tup:
Last turkey I killed was exactly like this. It was dead before it hit the ground :tup:
Post by: Swatson on January 27, 2014, 10:48:13 AM
Post by: Broken Arrow on January 27, 2014, 10:53:04 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
If its legal. Im stickin em. Put to much money into everything to go home empty handed.
If it's really a matter of the cost effectiveness of it, you'd be a heck of a lot cheaper, and more delicious for that matter, if you go to Safeway.
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2014, 11:13:47 AM
same thread....different year.
:yeah:
Post by: duckmen1 on January 27, 2014, 11:14:30 AM
Is that ethical to you guys.
Post by: Mike450r on January 27, 2014, 11:37:52 AM
I wouldn't exclude someone from being a hunting partner over it.
Post by: CP on January 27, 2014, 11:41:22 AM
If its legal. Im stickin em. Put to much money into everything to go home empty handed.
If it's really a matter of the cost effectiveness of it, you'd be a heck of a lot cheaper, and more delicious for that matter, if you go to Safeway.
:dunno:
:yeah:
Wild turkey mostly tastes like an old shoe and it’s just as tough (except maybe a Jake and they are pretty scrawny). I’ve given up shooting them at all. There isn’t much skill needed to pop one off a branch, and there isn’t much skill needed to pop one that’s trying to mate with your decoy.
Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2014, 12:06:32 PM
Post by: jackmaster on January 27, 2014, 12:14:40 PM
I wont, but thats just me, or sluice a sitting duck, or a buck humpin a doe, its not in my heart. I dont have this desire that I have to kill.:yeah: :yeah: i have went a few years without gettin a deer and i am ok with it, i have had chances, put the crosshairs on a few and then just lowered the rifle, when i was young it was all about gettin somethn thats for darn sure, hey do you guys remeber the steps you go through, they taught them to us in hunter ed but i dont remember the wording for them, i think i am in the last stage, but when it comes to predator huntn i just want to kill, problem is i cant find or call in any of those fuzzy little fellers... :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: cbond3318 on January 27, 2014, 12:35:29 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 27, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
Have you ever sluiced a grouse off a dirt road? It's the same thing if you ask an upland guy with a prized bird dog.
:-X I'll just keep my mouth shut then :chuckle:
Post by: PA BEN on January 27, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 27, 2014, 07:56:17 PM
Yeah but "I didn't shoot it". :chuckle:If its legal. Im stickin em. Put to much money into everything to go home empty handed.
If it's really a matter of the cost effectiveness of it, you'd be a heck of a lot cheaper, and more delicious for that matter, if you go to Safeway.
:dunno:
Post by: Rick on January 27, 2014, 08:14:52 PM
If its about being a sportsman,then they should be treated like any other fowl and should only be shot at while they're flying.
To say otherwise seems hypocritical to me.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 27, 2014, 08:29:52 PM
The difference is you are shooting a turkey at 50 yds. Can you walk right up under a deer that has an elevated position on you and get 50yds away and just blast them? NO! A turkey feels completely safe in a tree in low light. You can literally YELL at them! Like I said they are a completely different animal from deer and elk so to compare them is not accurate. It would be more accurate to compare it to resting your rifle on the fence at Oak Creek feeding station and shooting an elk. That would be an accurate comparison.
Not much different than shooting a treed cat or bear or a squirrel. They all feel pretty safe up a tree.
Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2014, 08:40:04 PM
Personally, I see about zero difference in shooting a turkey sitting in a tree vs shooting one standing on the ground.
If its about being a sportsman,then they should be treated like any other fowl and should only be shot at while they're flying.
To say otherwise seems hypocritical to me.
You've obviously never turkey hunted.
Post by: boneaddict on January 27, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on January 27, 2014, 09:32:35 PM
Post by: PA BEN on January 28, 2014, 05:57:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 28, 2014, 06:02:36 AM
Why hasn't the Mod. moved this to "TURKEY HUNTING" :dunno: I asked a question on electronic eye muffs here and got moved right away to Other Gear. I posted here because I feel I would have gotten more input than over there. :twocents:
Good call, Ben. Must have missed it. But, 104 responses in 2 days...it's kind of gotten a ton of input. I'll move it now.
Post by: boneaddict on January 28, 2014, 07:09:49 AM
Post by: PA BEN on January 28, 2014, 07:31:06 AM
Didnt even notice it wasnt in Turkey. It could easily be construed as a campfire talk though between hunting buddies.That's what I thought about electronic ear muffs.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 07:45:25 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 28, 2014, 07:52:05 AM
Didnt even notice it wasnt in Turkey. It could easily be construed as a campfire talk though between hunting buddies.That's what I thought about electronic ear muffs.
Reallistically, everything on this forum could be as well. We could just have 1 big forum board and no need for anything else. We do try and keep things logically located. It was a simple oversight. We all live real lives outside of this site and stuff gets missed now and then. Nobody needs to get their feelings hurt because a thread gets moved. Now that you've made a point of it, Bearpaw is going to deduct from our pay too for missing it. Thanks.
;)
Post by: ghosthunter on January 28, 2014, 07:53:30 AM
Didnt even notice it wasnt in Turkey. It could easily be construed as a campfire talk though between hunting buddies.That's what I thought about electronic ear muffs.
I thought about which, topic to post under but felt it was kinda fireside chat topic. So move if you wish. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on January 28, 2014, 07:59:55 AM
On a more serious note, I just want to thank all the mods who donate a ton of their personal time to try and keep this an organized and family friendly forum. They take a lot of heat for all kinds of reasons yet they continue to be an asset to this forum and it's members.
:tup: :tup: :tup: :hello: :hello: :hello:
Post by: bearpaw on January 28, 2014, 08:33:42 AM
A hunter spends a lot of money and uses a lot of their personal time to go hunting, it's important to us that our sport is perpetual. It's the pursuit that gives us all a thrill and the kill along with the bounty gained is the icing on the cake. I rarely oppose any hunting method unless it is scientifically detrimental. What's seems most important is that hunters follow the rules when participating in our hunting activities. The rules keep management of our resources perpetual.
The many examples of what some hunters consider to be unsportsmanlike is their opinion for which they are most certainly entitled, we all have opinions. However, you can ask any hunter about his ethics and what they consider to be sportsmanlike and the answer will be different in some way from all other hunters.
As hunters it seems we shouldn't try to force our personal views on all hunters unless their is good reason based on science or longevity of our sport. I really view this issue and most others mentioned in this topic, as a personal preference for how each hunter wants to pursue or not pursue his/her game. It appears to me that the WDFW and wildlife commission have not yet determined that shooting a turkey off the roost is detrimental to turkey populations in Washington. I actually see some other types of hunting as more unsportsmanlike but I will stop short on listing those personal views as I know it could derail the topic and "it would just be my personal opinion anyway" personal opinions probably shouldn't be the driving force of wildlife management decisions!
We all know how personal opinion seems to take away from our sport nearly every year. :twocents:
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Post by: 270Shooter on January 28, 2014, 08:46:36 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 08:55:40 AM
Two less pesos for all mods who overlooked this. Four less pesos for bob33 (less pay is a running joke with bob33)! :nono:
On a more serious note, I just want to thank all the mods who donate a ton of their personal time to try and keep this an organized and family friendly forum. They take a lot of heat for all kinds of reasons yet they continue to be an asset to this forum and it's members.
:tup: :tup: :tup: :hello: :hello: :hello:
Bob's pretty overpaid on this forum as it is, isn't he? :chuckle:
Post by: rittem1 on January 28, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
I'll shoot a duck on the water but I won't shoot a turkey in the roost. Although they can be incredibly frustrating birds to hunt here in central wa and it has crossed my mind before.
Never duck hunted before but I thought shooting a duck on the water was frowned upon? Not illegal, I know.
Post by: boneaddict on January 28, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 28, 2014, 12:56:08 PM
This is in my view of what is wrong with hunting these days. This notion that you spend x amount of dollars to hunt some animal or bird so you have to make the kill at any cost?????
I have been saying it for years that treating hunting like a ball game competition will ruin it down the line for all of us.
The pressure to produce at all cost. Does nothing to further the sport.
Its like to much sex when do you cross the line from lover to pervert?
I am not forcing my view on anyone, you all have to decide for yourself. For me hunting is the story, after the meat is gone, after the camp is over, after you can no longer get out of the chair to hunt any more, you will only have the story left.
I went turkey hunting drove around the roads till I saw a bird bang...........or
I roosted turkeys at dusk ,got close in am, haw heck with the call blast them out of the roost tree.
Sorry might just be me , but I want a better story than that.
I am in the 5th year of trying to call in a turkey on my own and killing it. Missed once, close half dozen times. I did not invest that much time to prostitute the experience with a roosted bird. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
In WA especially, there are so many other serious threats to our hunting heritage as to make "roost shooting" a non-issue to anyone. Pick your fights. This one makes little difference . The topic itself is great for a good discussion to get the views of others.
Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2014, 01:11:25 PM
Ghost, the value of these discussions lies only in the responses. People haven't changed all that much. Some are taught to fill the freezer and some are taught that hunting is about the hunt as much as the kill. But it does no good to get mad about it. "This is what's wrong about hunting these days", is about the same as, "the music these kids listen to these days,..." or anything else cranky people said when we were young. It only ruins it for you if you partake. It makes no difference to you if someone else does and the abundance of the animal is still maintained through proper game management.
In WA especially, there are so many other serious threats to our hunting heritage as to make "roost shooting" a non-issue to anyone. Pick your fights. This one makes little difference . The topic itself is great for a good discussion to get the views of others.
:yeah:
AND with that I'll head back to the wolf section :chuckle:
Post by: ghosthunter on January 28, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
I would point out that no war is ever won, without winning several battles first.
On the other hand many wars have been lost due to a single battle.
In the effort to keep hunting alive and well no battle is small. :dunno: :twocents:
Post by: lostbackpacker on January 28, 2014, 01:25:44 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:26:58 PM
is shooting a turkey in a roost the same as shooting a deer/elk from the road?
No. Shooting from the road is illegal if it's maintained. And stupid if it's not.
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:31:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
is shooting a turkey in a roost the same as shooting a deer/elk from the road?
I would say it would fall in the same sort of ethical dilemma. Both are legal, but not ethical by some people's standards.
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
Tell us what you mean by that Curly, because if it's a maintained road, it certainly is illegal.
only illegal if you shoot in a negligent manner. it is another one of those laws where most people have a misconception due to being told over and over again that it is illegal, but then when you actually read the RCW or WAC then you will see that the key word is "negligent".
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:40:30 PM
Tell us what you mean by that Curly, because if it's a maintained road, it certainly is illegal.
only illegal if you shoot in a negligent manner. it is another one of those laws where most people have a misconception due to being told over and over again that it is illegal, but then when you actually read the RCW or WAC then you will see that the key word is "negligent".
In the context of hunting at least, you're incorrect:
from page 76 big game regs
c. It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow
from a vehicle or from, across or along
the maintained portion of a public
highway, except that persons with a
disabled hunter permit may shoot from
a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance
with WAC 232-12-828.
and then from page 78:
6. Discharging a firearm from, across, or
along the maintained portion of any
public highway, regardless of surface,
is prohibited, except for hunters with
disabilities in compliance with WAC
232-12-828.
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2014, 01:46:44 PM
You can't go by the pamphlet as it is only a summary of the actual laws.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2014, 01:50:51 PM
I did miss those. So what constitutes negligent? You mean I can legally shoot from a road, seriously?
That's up to the warden, and then the judge if it gets that far. They don't tell us what exactly negligent means.
Post by: deaner on January 28, 2014, 01:53:15 PM
I did miss those. So what constitutes negligent? You mean I can legally shoot from a road, seriously?
That's up to the warden, and then the judge if it gets that far. They don't tell us what exactly negligent means.
so therefor shooting from a county road does put you in a bit of a grey area where they COULD call it illegal, if so inclined. weigh the risk of that i guess. or just dont shoot from a county road.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 28, 2014, 01:56:58 PM
Post by: deaner on January 28, 2014, 01:58:39 PM
What if you see a real Hopper standing in the road? :dunno:
hopper?
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:58:45 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 28, 2014, 02:02:58 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
Speaking of hiways, how about the ethics of trying to hit one, run down a turkey with your truck...... :stirthepot: :chuckle:
pretty sure that's ok if it's an old truck, Bone.
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
Post by: snowpack on January 28, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
2.a. covers the word negligently if you want to compare to the regs summary.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 02:09:01 PM
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2014, 02:12:10 PM
It's kind of funny that the wdfw leaves the word negligently from their summary of the rules about shooting from a road in the regs, but they do include the word in the summary on their website and have links to the laws so you can go and read the actual laws.
I don't believe they define the word negligently. It's going to be left up to interpretation.
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
:jacked:
:peep:
Post by: rtspring on January 28, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
I dont see a ethics deal here.
Although I have never been turkey hunting..
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2014, 02:16:35 PM
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(c) It is unlawful to discharge a bow or crossbow from a vehicle or from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway, except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.:o
Post by: snowpack on January 28, 2014, 02:16:57 PM
I don't see a definition of "negligently" in 2a.sorry, not the definition of negligently, the usage as compared to the regs which makes it seem like all shooting off roads is illegal.
Post by: runamuk on January 28, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
Speaking of hiways, how about the ethics of trying to hit one, run down a turkey with your truck...... :stirthepot: :chuckle:
HEY thats mine gig you you :stirthepot:.....and I will completely continue to uphold that if I run that turkey over it will be self defense because turkeys are evil and it was trying to attack me :)
still hate turkeys...still wont buy a tag....might find a roost just to see how fast they leave when I walk under it course that leaves me vulnerable to a full fledged attack from an entire pack of deranged wild turkeys.
Post by: packmule on January 28, 2014, 02:19:36 PM
Some are taught to fill the freezer and some are taught that hunting is about the hunt as much as the kill.
Great post pianoman, and this has been a great discussion. In regards to the quote above, many of the people who are taught, or believe, that hunting is as much about the hunt as it is of the kill, are also the same people who have filled A LOT of freezers.
Many of the turkey hunters who oppose roost shooting understand that you don't have to shoot a turkey out of the tree to harvest a bird. In fact, if you know where a turkey is roosting and can sneak within shooting range before he flies, you're well on your way to harvesting one by calling him to you. The fact is, you could probably sit down, make a few clucks on a call and have a great chance of having him land in front of you. Not passing judgement if you're in favor of roost shooting, just saying that calling one in for a harvest is a very exciting and rewarding experienc.
Post by: Curly on January 28, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
:stirthepot:
:o
Post by: snowpack on January 28, 2014, 02:25:20 PM
I would only shoot a Tom in a roost if I had my 22 LR with me.especially with a spotlight. Even more fun is dove.
:stirthepot:
:o
Post by: The scout on January 28, 2014, 02:27:44 PM
Post by: paulf919 on January 28, 2014, 10:34:29 PM
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Post by: Jellymon on January 28, 2014, 11:27:34 PM
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everyone wants everyone else to be subjected to the same rules they impose upon themselves, that is what I'm against.
Is that one of Barbour outfitters stands? :chuckle:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 29, 2014, 10:07:07 AM
Tell us what you mean by that Curly, because if it's a maintained road, it certainly is illegal.
only illegal if you shoot in a negligent manner. it is another one of those laws where most people have a misconception due to being told over and over again that it is illegal, but then when you actually read the RCW or WAC then you will see that the key word is "negligent".
In the context of hunting at least, you're incorrect:
from page 76 big game regs
c. It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow
from a vehicle or from, across or along
the maintained portion of a public
highway, except that persons with a
disabled hunter permit may shoot from
a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance
with WAC 232-12-828.
and then from page 78:
6. Discharging a firearm from, across, or
along the maintained portion of any
public highway, regardless of surface,
is prohibited, except for hunters with
disabilities in compliance with WAC
232-12-828.
The other key words here are "PUBLIC Highway"
Post by: irishevox on January 29, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
Post by: boneaddict on January 29, 2014, 10:14:43 AM
oh that's a song
Post by: ghosthunter on January 29, 2014, 12:37:11 PM
Bye Bye
Thanks for all the posts. :hello:
Post by: runamuk on January 29, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
:stirthepot:
Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
If it's too easy, maybe I won't do it next time. Maybe!
Post by: splitshot on January 29, 2014, 01:16:14 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 29, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
I will have to try sneaking up on a roosted turkey and blasting it out of the tree, just to see if it's really as easy as some of you say.
If it's too easy, maybe I won't do it next time. Maybe!
Yeah during shooting hours...might have to try it out :chuckle:
Jokes
Post by: cbond3318 on January 29, 2014, 02:30:39 PM
Just wanted to see if these emoticons would convey my stance on the subject. :tung:
Post by: Atroxus on January 29, 2014, 02:34:56 PM
:tree1: :hunt2:
Just wanted to see if these emoticons would convey my stance on the subject. :tung:
So you would first make out with the tree the turkey is roosting in, and if that doesn't scare it down or make it die from shock, you would shoot out of the tree? :chuckle: Sounds like a good plan to me. :tup:
Post by: cbond3318 on January 29, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
:tree1: :hunt2:
Just wanted to see if these emoticons would convey my stance on the subject. :tung:
So you would first make out with the tree the turkey is roosting in, and if that doesn't scare it down or make it die from shock, you would shoot out of the tree? :chuckle: Sounds like a good plan to me. :tup:
Exactly, way funner explaining myself with emoticons!
Post by: Tracker20xray on January 29, 2014, 03:23:02 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 29, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
everybody should write down what they dont like,and we will outlaw it all.I have heard this s*** for 50 years.most of you have no idea what we have lost,IF we dont stick togather WE will hang septerly.IF you dont like the way a bird tast out of a tree,then learn how to cook one,there not a butterball there lots better.IF you cant make a shot at a 1000 yds(in perfict condistons)then why are you shooting at a buckrunning down a draw at 100 yds in the brush.I bet you havent practic that shoot 500 times,
:tup: I wish you posted more often.
Post by: bearpaw on January 29, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
everybody should write down what they dont like,and we will outlaw it all.I have heard this s*** for 50 years.most of you have no idea what we have lost,IF we dont stick togather WE will hang septerly.IF you dont like the way a bird tast out of a tree,then learn how to cook one,there not a butterball there lots better.IF you cant make a shot at a 1000 yds(in perfict condistons)then why are you shooting at a buckrunning down a draw at 100 yds in the brush.I bet you havent practic that shoot 500 times,
my thoughts too....
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups and quit losing opportunity.
Post by: Bob33 on January 29, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
We're not losing access to private lands because hunters aren't sticking together. We're losing them in large part because of the poor behavior of some hunters and others.
The woman hiker that was shot on Sauk Mountain five years ago is still sending ripple waves through hunting legislation. I don't think it's a coincidence that a bill now in the Washington Senate would require hunters under age 14 to be accompanied by an adult (the shooter of the hiker was 14.)
The poor behavior of one hunter can impact the rights of every hunter.
I'm not suggesting that shooting a turkey out of a roost is wrong. I am suggesting that the attitude of "everything legal is great" has an ugly side to it as well.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 29, 2014, 08:37:37 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 29, 2014, 08:42:57 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on January 29, 2014, 08:47:16 PM
I don't think it's that simple.
We're not losing access to private lands because hunters aren't sticking together. We're losing them in large part because of the poor behavior of some hunters and others.
The woman hiker that was shot on Sauk Mountain five years ago is still sending ripple waves through hunting legislation. I don't think it's a coincidence that a bill now in the Washington Senate would require hunters under age 14 to be accompanied by an adult (the shooter of the hiker was 14.)
The poor behavior of one hunter can impact the rights of every hunter.
I'm not suggesting that shooting a turkey out of a roost is wrong. I am suggesting that the attitude of "everything legal is great" has an ugly side to it as well.
:yeah:
Post by: Tracker20xray on January 29, 2014, 08:59:09 PM
:bdid: When laws are created that impact everybody based on the action of one, injustice occurs and our rights are systematically diminished. Regardless of more restrictions the problem is not corrected. The powers that be have used this excuse to eat away at our freedoms for the last fifty years. As much as I feel for the fourteen year old, he has to take personal responsibility for his actions. You can't make life incident free, individuals will at times make bad choices or mistakes. Creating legislation designed to somehow prevent this does nothing.
What are you trying to say when you state "the attitude of everything is legal is great, has an ugly side to it too" ?? I will say it again, the anti-hunters and anti-gun people do not want common sense, they want everything, your rifle, your bow, your access to all public land and your right to eat meat. Do you want to live in a vegan, tofu world? I for one can not and will not give up my predatory instinct. :bash:
Post by: deaner on January 29, 2014, 09:04:46 PM
once again its a bird! who cares
this thread has gone on and on, so here, i directed you all back to this threads most intelligent post. kind of an all inclusive debate ender
Post by: Bob33 on January 29, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
I will say it again, the anti-hunters and anti-gun people do not want common sense, they want everything, your rifle, your bow, your access to all public land and your right to eat meat.You can say it until the cows come home, but it's sheer nonsense to stereotype everyone who is opposed to hunting in that manner.
Post by: jackelope on January 30, 2014, 05:38:13 AM
I don't think it's that simple.
We're not losing access to private lands because hunters aren't sticking together. We're losing them in large part because of the poor behavior of some hunters and others.
The woman hiker that was shot on Sauk Mountain five years ago is still sending ripple waves through hunting legislation. I don't think it's a coincidence that a bill now in the Washington Senate would require hunters under age 14 to be accompanied by an adult (the shooter of the hiker was 14.)
The poor behavior of one hunter can impact the rights of every hunter.
I'm not suggesting that shooting a turkey out of a roost is wrong. I am suggesting that the attitude of "everything legal is great" has an ugly side to it as well.
Best post in this thread. Well done again, Bob. That is good stuff. Food for thought.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on January 30, 2014, 07:15:27 AM
Ethics have to do with what the public perceives as right and wrong, morals are about what an individual feel is right or wrong, all too often in these discussions someone is attempting to impose their own E&M on someone else.
Although is LEGAL, the majority feel that it is wrong, and argue about ethics and morals, names get called, people get offended, some get mad, some get sad...
But the big picture that no one really thought about was the birds themselves.
I mean after all, why is this a spot of contention ?
Really, does it really matter to anyone else HOW a person legally filled their tag ?
As long as you are true to your own feeling on this (and other) matters, what business is it of yours what someone else does ?
One of the major complaints about regulations, government, religion, activists, etc. is somebody attempting to instill their beliefs onto someone else.
And we have lost the original picture of what really matters.
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Back when I first decided to attempt to hunt turkeys in Washington state there was a statement in the pamphlet to the effect that
hunters were "ASKED" not to shoot roosting birds because they usually used the same trees on an habitual schedule, and disturbing them caused undue stress and could disrupt their use of said tree, forcing them to seek safety in a less desirable tree and placing them in undue risk.
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Now, I don't really care about your ethics unless it affects me, your morals are your own, but as "Sportsmen(women)" we SHOULD all care about the animals we pursue, not just the ones we kill, or how we kill them, but the fact that we CAN and the reasons WHY.
If it were not for those that cared in the past, we would not be having this discussion now, and I hope that my own children will be able to debate these issues in the future w/o all the "posturing" about who is a better hunter, or killed the most game, or did it the most ethically, but with respect for the animal and the perpetuation of the "sport".
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 30, 2014, 07:24:54 AM
Post by: turkeydancer on January 30, 2014, 08:02:36 AM
Way to go SSB .... well said!
I also believe in respect for "tradition" and the "prey". It's not just about filling my tag, and I don't look at it as "it's only just a bird". I'm not puttting anyone down if they feel their E&M is pegged at "along as it's legal", but I think they may be selling themselves short of having greater adventurers .... but it's their hunt and their choice, not mine.
Post by: runamuk on January 30, 2014, 08:16:09 AM
and when that turkey says come at me bro he is eating my grill....
Post by: Tracker20xray on January 30, 2014, 11:28:25 AM
roosting birds, grouse on roads, deer in beds, cats with hounds, bears with bait, puppymills, backyard breeders, ack, ukc fci, show horses, race horses, heck even in sports, and recreation like orv's and jeeps, and heck even the blasted kink community there is so darn much infighting on whose ethics are best, and whose morals are right and here lets just argue amongst ourselves while Rome burns when we finish fighting all that we thought we were fighting for will be lost anyway.AND THE FIRST WORDS OUT OF THERE MOUTH WILL BE (BUT)
and when that turkey says come at me bro he is eating my grill....
Post by: ICEMAN on January 30, 2014, 07:11:58 PM
roosting birds, grouse on roads, deer in beds, cats with hounds, bears with bait, puppymills, backyard breeders, ack, ukc fci, show horses, race horses, heck even in sports, and recreation like orv's and jeeps, and heck even the blasted kink community there is so darn much infighting on whose ethics are best, and whose morals are right and here lets just argue amongst ourselves while Rome burns when we finish fighting all that we thought we were fighting for will be lost anyway.
Good point Rori.
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2014, 07:17:10 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 30, 2014, 07:21:53 PM
Is that like those furry parties?
Post by: janttihunter on January 30, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on January 30, 2014, 08:58:16 PM
I must lead a boring life, I didn't know there was a "kink community".Are you sure you really want the answer to that question? :chuckle:
Is that like those furry parties?
Post by: runamuk on January 30, 2014, 09:06:16 PM
I must lead a boring life, I didn't know there was a "kink community".Are you sure you really want the answer to that question? :chuckle:
Is that like those furry parties?
I sent some info privately..... but the pont is it does not matter what genre or where you spend time if it involves groups of people the infighting and "I am right" attitude will be prevalent there is no circle I have been in that does not have its purists its my ethics are better than yours ...this is where laws come from societies acceptance of a middle ground or baseline ethic...argue enough and they will change it for better or worse. example of better=prohibiting the marrying of 12 yr old girls against their will...example of worse= banning hounds and bait. but as long as you thing their way is wrong and your way is right to heck with the law the more and tighter and more restrictive the laws will get.
Post by: Deer slayer on February 07, 2014, 07:38:40 PM