Post by: 270Shooter on January 27, 2014, 09:09:47 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 27, 2014, 09:19:55 PM
Post by: papisjeep on January 27, 2014, 09:22:09 PM
(or glock 19 otherwise)
Post by: hillbilli on January 27, 2014, 09:23:26 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on January 27, 2014, 09:29:35 PM
Here we go again...
Velocity matters far more in so far as determining kinetic energy. That's why a .40S&W hits harder than a .45acp. Anything .38 and above are just fine for self defense. Test out then Pick a comfortable gun that YOU can shoot consistently. Many police departments around the country have ditched the .40S&W and gone back to the 9mm because of the ability to get back on target and follow up shots faster. Not to mention better qualification scores.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 27, 2014, 09:33:34 PM
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Post by: ghosthunter on January 28, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
I have carried every day for over 20 years. I carry three items every single day.
S&w Sigma 9 mm in holster.
Ruger 380 LCP in pocket.
And a kimber pepper blaster on my weak side pocket.
The best gun is the one you can shoot the best and the one you will carry every day.
Folks can rattle off bullet weight and impact yada,yada, yada.
Most of us are never going to have to draw, even less will have to shoot. And it most likely will not be some rhino encased person.
If you put any rounds on a bad gun they will not like it and they will either run or die.
Pick what you can shoot and practice with it. Have a talk with yourself on what would make you shoot. Than prepare and hope it never happens.
:tup: :twocents:
Post by: lostbackpacker on January 28, 2014, 03:32:42 AM
Least comfortable full frame kimber 45
One I settled on to carry all the time mp 9c.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 28, 2014, 06:11:20 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on January 28, 2014, 06:17:58 AM
I like the "big hole" a .45 does but the weight of carrying it sucks the fun out of my days and as mentioned, lower capacity.
I like the blend of performance/weight/carying capacity of a .40 but I've always found that caliber, no matter the gun I use, very "snappy" in my hands and hard to re-acquire the target for a follow up shot. While I blame my girly wrists for this, it is still a factor for me. If you've never shot a .40cal, I HIGHLY suggest you do so, in a few different models if possible to make sure it's comfortable in your hands when you shoot.
9mm seems about right to me. My Glock 19 holds 15+1, isn't very heavy, is a breeze to shoot, ammo is cheap so I can practice, and with the performance of today's defense ammo, a 124+p round penetrating 14+" and expanding to almost 3/4" is good enough for me, especially when I can throw 16 of them at the bad guys instead of 7.
Post by: C-Money on January 28, 2014, 06:31:56 AM
Post by: whitey on January 28, 2014, 09:18:16 AM
Post by: Duckwacker on January 28, 2014, 12:41:05 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 28, 2014, 12:52:55 PM
I can shoot them faster and far more accurately and practice with them more. How many people are going to take 3+ rounds of .22 and get up for more :dunno:
It's mainly because they're good dual purpose pistols and if I was to get a strictly CC, I'd probably go with a .357 or .40
Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2014, 01:07:18 PM
Wish I could show you a video I seen of a guy who was shot by police in some south American country, took 2 or 3 rounds to the chest cavity like a champ. He started fist pumping the crowd while you could see blood draining from the holes in his chest. He started smacking his chest in a gesture resembling "IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?" to police, he danced around a while then after what seemed a long loooong time sat down, fell over then died.
with a .22 anything it's unlikely that you'll penetrate the sternum and knock out the spine, so you may kill someone but they don't always know they've been killed and can go on to create harm - especially if they're armed too.
On the other hand some guys will be shot with what seems a non-life threatening shot and just fall over ending the fight right away.
Also keep in mind there's been quite a lot of instances where a person took a 22LR to the brain pan and continued as nothing happened.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 28, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
I do plan to get a ruger in .357 sometime this year but until then, I feel plenty confident in what I've got.
I know that with knockdown power in the forefront, I wouldn't carry a lot of the more popular carry cartridges. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 28, 2014, 01:24:09 PM
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Post by: 300rum on January 28, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
It is much more important to hit what you are aiming at. Practice and lot's of it, both live fire and dry fire, will make you competent, not caliber.
Post by: Alchase on January 28, 2014, 02:12:50 PM
The only things that matters is penetration and wound channel, which causes tissue damage.
Bullet types being the same, a larger caliber will let you shoot a heavier bullet, at the same speeds a smaller caliber will shoot a lighter bullet.
Bullet types being the same, a heavier bullet, going the same speed as a lighter bullet, will penetrate similarly but cause a larger wound channel, thus more tissue damage.
Bullet types being the same, and the same weight, a faster moving bullet will penetrate further then the same type and weight bullet moving slower, thus more tissue damage.
For concealment, I have found that I can conceal anything from a full sized 5 in. Kimber, a subcompact, to a J-frame. Some are easier to conceal and more comfortable then others, but it can be done.
I have carried 10mm, .45., .40., .357, 9mm, .380 and .38.
Currently my carry weapon is an XD, 4 in., .40 cal.
I carry IWB and OWB, mostly IWB. I have ten or more holsters types, just for the XD.
The ones I use most are the King Tuk, Summer comfort II, Versa MaxII, for IWB. The Black Hawk Serpa II, (one for each backpack, and one with paddle) and the Speed Paddle for OWB.
Each Holster type has it's benefits depending on what I am wearing at a given time.
I love the 10mm and the .45, and have owned both.
I shoot the .40 because it is nice,
"not too expensive to shoot, and readily available caliber"
I can conceal the XD 4in Service, very well.
It shoots extremely well.
Subjective questions to you:
Which caliber do you like to shoot?
Which caliber do you shoot well?
How do you plan to carry the majority of the time?
Which gun can you afford?
If you shoot allot, a 10mm may be cost prohibitive. It can get expensive at a couple hundred rounds a week. :chuckle:
Post by: Mongo Hunter on January 28, 2014, 02:20:34 PM
I personally in a polymer gun for CCW would go with 9mm. more bullets, cheaper and easier to find plus I can practice more, which in a sub compact CCW gun you will need to practice.
In the end pistols suck and are weak but carrying around an AR/AK all day would not only be a pain but would cause all kinds of panic problems, so pistols are what we are stuck with. First rule of a gun fight is HAVE A GUN and nobody wants to get shot by ANYTHING. That being said .38spl or bigger I would say you are good to go not a fan of anything smaller.
Post by: 300rum on January 28, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
The only things that matters is penetration and wound channel, which causes tissue damage.
Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
I don't know about that. I think it is kinda like Real Estate....Location, Location, Location.
The only things that matters is penetration and wound channel, which causes tissue damage.
location doesn't matter so much if you buy a big enough chunk of land ;)
Post by: 300rum on January 28, 2014, 02:34:23 PM
I don't know about that. I think it is kinda like Real Estate....Location, Location, Location.
The only things that matters is penetration and wound channel, which causes tissue damage.
location doesn't matter so much if you buy a big enough chunk of land ;)
Post by: FC on January 28, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
Not going to get into a caliber debate. I've been carrying everyday for 7 years give or take some odd months. I've found that comfort and concealability are much more important than caliber. You will only carry a full size around for so long. I now carry serveral different full sizes if I'm going to be going to Seattle or other large cities or areas with high crime rates. I mostly carry ultra compact single stacks in a cross breed holster. for running up to the store or going to a friends house i throw my itty bitty 380 in my pocket holster and can carry it in about any pocket. You need to be truthful with your self and determine your skill level, i.e. accuracy understress, speed, and recoil sensitivity. Realize that in the very small guns its far better to go with smaller rounds as to land more rounds on target in a stressful situation. I personaly go 45acp or 357sig in my full size's, 9mm in sigle stack ultra compact's, and 9mm or 380 in the pocket gun area. do lots of reasearch on rcws read up on court cases and realise just how big of a responsibility your taking on. good luck, have fun picking out your piece. As far as brand and model, get them in your hand and shoot them if you can to see what you like, then reaseach and then purchase
Very good advice and very well said. :tup:
Whatever your comfortable, quick and accurate with.
This sums it up, just because you carry a howitzer doesn't mean you can hit a barn with it ;) , carry something you can shoot and practice with it!
Post by: hntrspud on January 28, 2014, 03:13:45 PM
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Post by: PNW_Hunter on January 28, 2014, 11:56:11 PM
I'll get flamed but I carry .22 LR and .22 mags.
I can shoot them faster and far more accurately and practice with them more. How many people are going to take 3+ rounds of .22 and get up for more :dunno:
It's mainly because they're good dual purpose pistols and if I was to get a strictly CC, I'd probably go with a .357 or .40
Might I ask what pistol you ccw in .22 lr out of curiosity?
The way I see it, a .22 lr is better than no pistol, but far from ideal (as you understand)
Post by: BiggLuke on January 29, 2014, 12:32:33 AM
for your post answer, don't worry so much about caliber.
Instead, think of what kind of carry do you want?
Ask yourself these question:
- Will you be carrying your weapon all day?
- Will it be completely consealed from view all day?
- Can you carry it like a cell phone in your pocket, or will it be in a holster?
Some times it's better to be fully ready for battle.
But really, do you want to carry around ALL day, a Glock with 30 rounds that wieghs 5 pounds?
Which will be great if you get into a fire fight with insergants, or jumped by the entire woo-tang clan and need to take out multiple targets?....
OR, will you need your weapon only as a last resort?
A fully hidden from all enemies, super light wieght (and have only enough shots to take out the lead super villian when you pull it out of your boot at the last second) type of weapon.... like what James Bond has?
Answer those questions, and you will soon suddenly realize exactly what kind of Concealed carry Caliber you need. :tup:
For me, I like light weight James Bond style... I Have a Ruger LC9.
It's lighter than my cell phone fully loaded, and has 8 shots of 9mm.
Plenty enough to kill any one bad guy.... and small enough to stick into the mouth of an attacking bear as it jumps on top of me. :chuckle:
Post by: 270Shooter on January 29, 2014, 12:46:48 AM
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Post by: h20hunter on January 29, 2014, 08:42:40 AM
Thanks for the advice and opinions everyone. I'm going to try and shoot as many as I can before I decide on what to get. I really do like the m&p compact as it fits my had well and is very comfortable. And it still has a pretty good magazine capacity in 40 caliber.
Personally...I like the M&P and also like the .40. It is a good place to start. Shoot all that you can and find what works for you.
Post by: whitey on January 29, 2014, 10:39:33 AM
I'll get flamed but I carry .22 LR and .22 mags.
I can shoot them faster and far more accurately and practice with them more. How many people are going to take 3+ rounds of .22 and get up for more :dunno:
It's mainly because they're good dual purpose pistols and if I was to get a strictly CC, I'd probably go with a .357 or .40
Where are you going to find 22 ammo.. :dunno:
22 mag is good unless the dude is tweaking. Then you might wished you had put 3 big ones in his chest.. :yike:
Just saying.. :rolleyes:
P.S only flipping you a little crap.. :chuckle: Run what you brung..
Post by: Alchase on January 29, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
I don't know about that. I think it is kinda like Real Estate....Location, Location, Location.
The only things that matters is penetration and wound channel, which causes tissue damage.
:DOH:
Thank you!
I read that dang post 6 or 7 times and knew something was missing, LOL
Post by: stryker on January 29, 2014, 12:31:44 PM
Glock 29sf 10mm. It's a compact 10+1.
CAMPMEAT beat be to it. Glock 29, 10mm.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 29, 2014, 12:35:11 PM
I'll get flamed but I carry .22 LR and .22 mags.
I can shoot them faster and far more accurately and practice with them more. How many people are going to take 3+ rounds of .22 and get up for more :dunno:
It's mainly because they're good dual purpose pistols and if I was to get a strictly CC, I'd probably go with a .357 or .40
Where are you going to find 22 ammo.. :dunno:
22 mag is good unless the dude is tweaking. Then you might wished you had put 3 big ones in his chest.. :yike:
Just saying.. :rolleyes:
P.S only flipping you a little crap.. :chuckle: Run what you brung..
I don't need to find any...I have about 10K so I'm good for a few more weeks. :tung:
Yeah for tweakers a 2x4 might be better :tup:
Post by: smalldog on January 29, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on January 29, 2014, 09:19:11 PM
with a .22 anything it's unlikely that you'll penetrate the sternum and knock out the spine,Want to bet? ;) There is a reason why a lot of the SS carry FiveseveN's, and why LE want it banned (more so than the general ban on all firearms)
Lets also not forget that it was a .22 caliber round, shot from a FiveseveN, that killed 13 and injured another 30, some critically, in Fort Hood.
Post by: mountainman on January 29, 2014, 09:34:15 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on January 29, 2014, 10:10:25 PM
with a .22 anything it's unlikely that you'll penetrate the sternum and knock out the spine,Want to bet? ;) There is a reason why a lot of the SS carry FiveseveN's, and why LE want it banned (more so than the general ban on all firearms)
Lets also not forget that it was a .22 caliber round, shot from a FiveseveN, that killed 13 and injured another 30, some critically, in Fort Hood.
Any law enforcement or military or SS get to use the fivesevens full house loads. This ammunition is not sold to the general public. people want it banned due to a lack of knowledge and fear mongering
Post by: KFhunter on January 29, 2014, 10:13:58 PM
I really did mean rimfire .22
Post by: huntnphool on January 29, 2014, 10:15:13 PM
True, but my hand loads for my rifles are not available to the general public either. Purchasing a hand gun does not limit you to shelf ammo, at least not yet. :chuckle:with a .22 anything it's unlikely that you'll penetrate the sternum and knock out the spine,Want to bet? ;) There is a reason why a lot of the SS carry FiveseveN's, and why LE want it banned (more so than the general ban on all firearms)
Lets also not forget that it was a .22 caliber round, shot from a FiveseveN, that killed 13 and injured another 30, some critically, in Fort Hood.
Any law enforcement or military or SS get to use the fivesevens full house loads. This ammunition is not sold to the general public. people want it banned due to a lack of knowledge and fear mongering
How many chip their vehicles, and improve the performance? ;)
Post by: huntnphool on January 29, 2014, 10:17:35 PM
you all got me :chuckle:I figured you meant rimfire, but then again you did say .22 anything :chuckle:
I really did mean rimfire .22