Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 09:57:43 AM
Something that drives me crazy and happens all the time when I read discussions about optics.
I constantly see people incorrectly referring to the power of a variable scope like this: 3x9x40 or 4x12x50
Do guys that type it out like that also say it like they type it? Do they say: 3 by 9 by 40? or 4 by 12 by 50? :dunno:
Come on guys, that "x" is just shortcut for the word "by".
The correct way to type it is 3-9 X 40 or 4-12 X 50. Don't use an X where a hyphen is needed. It is a variable power scope of 3 to 9 power with a 40 mm objective.
:sry: Sorry for the rant. And I realize I should have just let it go. But maybe someone will get some benefit by this rant and stop incorrectly referring to their variable power scope.
Post by: huntnphool on February 07, 2014, 10:05:44 AM
:bash:Perhaps you should have posted it in here. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,146534.msg1942837.html#msg1942837 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,146534.msg1942837.html#msg1942837) :dunno:
Something that drives me crazy and happens all the time when I read discussions about optics.
I constantly see people incorrectly referring to the power of a variable scope like this: 3x9x40 or 4x12x50
Do guys that type it out like that also say it like they type it? Do they say: 3 by 9 by 40? or 4 by 12 by 50? :dunno:
Come on guys, that "x" is just shortcut for the word "by".
The correct way to type it is 3-9 X 40 or 4-12 X 50. Don't use an X where a hyphen is needed. It is a variable power scope of 3 to 9 power with a 40 mm objective.
:sry: Sorry for the rant. And I realize I should have just let it go. But maybe someone will get some benefit by this rant and stop incorrectly referring to their variable power scope.
Post by: lostbackpacker on February 07, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 07, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 10:13:15 AM
Perhaps you should have posted it in here. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,146534.msg1942837.html#msg1942837 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,146534.msg1942837.html#msg1942837) :dunno:
Yeah, I actually thought about that. But I didn't think it really fit. It's not a quote/saying so I figured Optics was a better place........... :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on February 07, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
shouldnt the correct saying be---- 3 2 9 bye 403 to 9 by 40 ;)
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 10:14:59 AM
shouldnt the correct saying be---- 3 2 9 bye 403 to 9 by 40 ;)
Yes. Thank you. :tup:
Post by: Wazukie on February 07, 2014, 10:15:32 AM
Post by: PolarBear on February 07, 2014, 10:16:21 AM
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 10:16:44 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on February 07, 2014, 10:18:53 AM
I'm so consfused.
Post by: superdown on February 07, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
I'f I'm looking at a deer....lets say it is a 5x5 with my 9x12x50 do I count the eye guards as a point? Also, if I do, is it an 8pt or a 4x4 with eye guards?Only if the deer has horns :chuckle:
I'm so consfused.
Post by: PolarBear on February 07, 2014, 10:22:11 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 07, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
Post by: lostbackpacker on February 07, 2014, 10:23:56 AM
I'f I'm looking at a deer....lets say it is a 5x5 with my 9x12x50 do I count the eye guards as a point? Also, if I do, is it an 8pt or a 4x4 with eye guards?
I'm so consfused.
i cant even follow that statement
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 07, 2014, 10:24:11 AM
Post by: superdown on February 07, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
We don't cout eye guards or brow tines here in the West. Leave that to those East coast "hunters". :chuckle:Yes we do and so does the law :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 07, 2014, 10:29:58 AM
I'f I'm looking at a deer....lets say it is a 5x5 with my 9x12x50 do I count the eye guards as a point? Also, if I do, is it an 8pt or a 4x4 with eye guards?Only if the deer has horns :chuckle:
I'm so consfused.
Deer don't have HORNS. >:( >:( >:( >:( Thats the only reason I hunt, now what ever will I do? :bash: :bash: It is what it is! :dunno:
Post by: pd on February 07, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
lol. Bunched panties alert. :yike:
OK, all joking aside, the OP makes a good point. Using the correct terminology does indeed improve our understanding of technical topics. For less experienced marksmen, this can be very important. Think of all the technical topics that are often misunderstood (ballistics in ammunition, or the difference between horsepower and torque).
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 07, 2014, 10:38:42 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2014, 10:45:31 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on February 07, 2014, 10:53:07 AM
Post by: Bob33 on February 07, 2014, 10:53:08 AM
"Clip" for "magazine".
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 07, 2014, 10:53:47 AM
I herd about this topic when I was watching a heard of cows this morning. They all had horns, all spikes. True spikes as a matter of fact.Were you watching them with your 3x9 scope? :chuckle:
Post by: Igottanewknee on February 07, 2014, 10:54:24 AM
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
I got something to get off my chest too. I cannot stand when people hold the steering wheel at 9 and 3 , I mean come on people it has been 10 and 2 since the dark ages. How hard can it be. I thought this would go well in the "pettiest rant possible" thread. :chuckle: :sry: carry on
Hey! Start a new thread for your petty rant about 10 and 2. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I knew I'd take some heat for the rant. But hey, I've bit my tongue for years regarding the topic and my tongue was really starting to hurt so I thought I'd mention it.
I'm glad everyone can have some fun with it. :)
Post by: Rob on February 07, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
I'f I'm looking at a deer....lets say it is a 5x5 with my 9x12x50 do I count the eye guards as a point? Also, if I do, is it an 8pt or a 4x4 with eye guards?
I'm so consfused.
Just put another high capacity clip in your AR and bust him.
Post by: cbond3318 on February 07, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
I got something to get off my chest too. I cannot stand when people hold the steering wheel at 9 and 3 , I mean come on people it has been 10 and 2 since the dark ages. How hard can it be. I thought this would go well in the "pettiest rant possible" thread. :chuckle: :sry: carry on
Hey! Start a new thread for your petty rant about 10 and 2. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I knew I'd take some heat for the rant. But hey, I've bit my tongue for years regarding the topic and my tongue was really starting to hurt so I thought I'd mention it.
I'm glad everyone can have some fun with it. :)
I got a kick out of it, when I opened it expecting something drastic! Pleasantly surprised! I am guilty of your pet peeve! Except even worse, for instance my binos are 10 x 42 x about 5 1/2" long. :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
lol. Bunched panties alert. :yike:
OK, all joking aside, the OP makes a good point. Using the correct terminology does indeed improve our understanding of technical topics. For less experienced marksmen, this can be very important. Think of all the technical topics that are often misunderstood (ballistics in ammunition, or the difference between horsepower and torque).
Thank you pd. At least you understand. I thought maybe the rant could benefit someone that had been using the terminology wrong.
And no pianoman9701, I'd have to be wearing panties to get them bunched. Going commando today. :tup:
:)
And for the record: eye guards don't count, antlers not horns, and I may have seen a herd of bigfoots and heard a bigfoot...............and a 3x9 scope just doesn't let enough light in for my use. :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on February 07, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
We had LOB (Legend Of Boom) last week, BPA (Bunched Panties Alert) this week.
What next? :yike:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 07, 2014, 11:22:21 AM
lol. Bunched panties alert. :yike:
OK, all joking aside, the OP makes a good point. Using the correct terminology does indeed improve our understanding of technical topics. For less experienced marksmen, this can be very important. Think of all the technical topics that are often misunderstood (ballistics in ammunition, or the difference between horsepower and torque).
And no pianoman9701, I'd have to be wearing panties to get them bunched. Going commando today. :tup:
:)
:yike: :yike: :yike:
Post by: Bob33 on February 07, 2014, 11:27:51 AM
I'd have to be wearing panties to get them bunched. Going commando today. :tup:Stay away from Capitol Hill in Seattle.
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 07, 2014, 11:34:11 AM
I got something to get off my chest too. I cannot stand when people hold the steering wheel at 9 and 3 , I mean come on people it has been 10 and 2 since the dark ages. How hard can it be. I thought this would go well in the "pettiest rant possible" thread. :chuckle: :sry: carry on
Hey! Start a new thread for your petty rant about 10 and 2. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I knew I'd take some heat for the rant. But hey, I've bit my tongue for years regarding the topic and my tongue was really starting to hurt so I thought I'd mention it.
I'm glad everyone can have some fun with it. :)
10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?
Post by: Bob33 on February 07, 2014, 11:37:08 AM
10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?Today's teens use the "10 or 2" guideline. One hand is needed for texting.
Post by: BsB on February 07, 2014, 11:38:47 AM
I'm not 100% sure but I think they changed it to 9&3 after airbags came around and people were breaking their arms across their foreheads. :dunno:I got something to get off my chest too. I cannot stand when people hold the steering wheel at 9 and 3 , I mean come on people it has been 10 and 2 since the dark ages. How hard can it be. I thought this would go well in the "pettiest rant possible" thread. :chuckle: :sry: carry on
Hey! Start a new thread for your petty rant about 10 and 2. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I knew I'd take some heat for the rant. But hey, I've bit my tongue for years regarding the topic and my tongue was really starting to hurt so I thought I'd mention it.
I'm glad everyone can have some fun with it. :)
10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?
A buddy ended up with a good lump and an imprint of his wedding ring in his forehead after his air bags deployed in an accident. It has been 15 years since I took drivers ed though.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 07, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
I was taught 3 and 9 because the airbag had more chance of break in your wrists at 10 and 2. I usually drive at 12 and burger. Sometimes 10. though sometimes I drive 12 and 10x42. If road hunting Its usually none on the wheel and all on my 4x12-50. Or 4 2 12 buy56 rarely see or hear a heard of true spikes including eye guards.10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?Today's teens use the "10 or 2" guideline. One hand is needed for texting.
Post by: Olympics777 on February 07, 2014, 11:44:23 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 07, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on February 07, 2014, 11:57:30 AM
10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?Today's teens use the "10 or 2" guideline. One hand is needed for texting.
I just use my knees. I need my hands for my beer and joint. :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on February 07, 2014, 12:01:07 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 07, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
:chuckle:I was taught 3 and 9 because the airbag had more chance of break in your wrists at 10 and 2. I usually drive at 12 and burger. Sometimes 10. though sometimes I drive 12 and 10x42. If road hunting Its usually none on the wheel and all on my 4x12-50. Or 4 2 12 buy56 rarely see or hear a heard of true spikes including eye guards.10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?Today's teens use the "10 or 2" guideline. One hand is needed for texting.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 07, 2014, 12:22:36 PM
Start with the one's who use the 3x9x40.
Then you can hit up the ones who use 3-9x40.
Then you can do the thank you letters to the 3 by 9 by 40 manufacturers. Which one's are they anyways? :chuckle:
Post by: Igottanewknee on February 07, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 07, 2014, 12:31:10 PM
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
Better write a letter to all those scope manufacturers so the technical aspect of your "by" issue can get solved. :chuckle:
Start with the one's who use the 3x9x40.
Then you can hit up the ones who use 3-9x40.
Then you can do the thank you letters to the 3 by 9 by 40 manufacturers. Which one's are they anyways? :chuckle:
I haven't seen a manufacturer use the x x x designation. Maybe it's only the junk scopes that have that terminology? :dunno: :) Leupold, Bushnell, and Swaro do it the correct way. hmmm....
Post by: rasbo on February 07, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
Post by: LndShrk on February 07, 2014, 12:48:50 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 07, 2014, 01:03:16 PM
I hate all of your canted scopes too, every single one of them....... :chuckle:you sir, need to start us in mo' beta grammar. Because if your scope can'ted do it maybe you need a new one that can do it. scopes that cant are never good! :yike:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 07, 2014, 01:19:03 PM
Post by: Curly on February 07, 2014, 01:20:09 PM
Went bed at 2 with a 10 and at 10 I woke up with a 2........
Hey, isn't that a song?
http://youtu.be/TbVYn1dokgQ (http://youtu.be/TbVYn1dokgQ)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 07, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
I hate all of your canted scopes too, every single one of them....... :chuckle:you sir, need to start us in mo' beta grammar. Because if your scope can'ted do it maybe you need a new one that can do it. scopes that cant are never good! :yike:
............and that is, " cain'ted for you southern friends.............. :tup:
Post by: wadu1 on February 07, 2014, 07:08:43 PM
Post by: AlpineMuley on February 07, 2014, 07:16:16 PM
Post by: Jason on February 07, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
:bash::dunno:
Something that drives me crazy and happens all the time when I read discussions about optics.
I constantly see people incorrectly referring to the power of a variable scope like this: 3x9x40 or 4x12x50
Do guys that type it out like that also say it like they type it? Do they say: 3 by 9 by 40? or 4 by 12 by 50? :dunno:
Come on guys, that "x" is just shortcut for the word "by".
The correct way to type it is 3-9 X 40 or 4-12 X 50. Don't use an X where a hyphen is needed. It is a variable power scope of 3 to 9 power with a 40 mm objective.
:sry: Sorry for the rant. And I realize I should have just let it go. But maybe someone will get some benefit by this rant and stop incorrectly referring to their variable power scope.
I can take a picture at a different angle if needed.
Post by: dscubame on February 07, 2014, 07:53:43 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 07, 2014, 09:03:54 PM
One word. Open sights. :chuckle:
That is funny, I dont care who you are. :tup:
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2014, 06:37:10 AM
Looks like Curly has a thing or two to take up with Burris.
:yeah:
I should write them a letter. >:( :bash:
Are you sure you didn't photoshop that to mess with me? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2014, 06:51:09 AM
Note that they did use the X and dash (X-) on most of the labels when they were describing the variable power. I take it that the "x" means "power" the way they are trying to use it instead of "by" like I've been taught.
So the 3-9x40 scope they are using 3x-9x-40 which they are saying "three power to nine power by 40 mm" instead of what I would normally do which is drop the word "power" and simply shorten it to "three to nine by forty"; (the power and mm are understood and not really necessary to use shortcut for saying).
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 08, 2014, 06:00:39 PM
:chuckle:I hate all of your canted scopes too, every single one of them....... :chuckle:you sir, need to start us in mo' beta grammar. Because if your scope can'ted do it maybe you need a new one that can do it. scopes that cant are never good! :yike:
............and that is, " cain'ted for you southern friends.............. :tup:
Post by: couesbitten on February 09, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
Post by: xd2005 on February 09, 2014, 09:35:20 AM
I'm not 100% sure but I think they changed it to 9&3 after airbags came around and people were breaking their arms across their foreheads. :dunno:I got something to get off my chest too. I cannot stand when people hold the steering wheel at 9 and 3 , I mean come on people it has been 10 and 2 since the dark ages. How hard can it be. I thought this would go well in the "pettiest rant possible" thread. :chuckle: :sry: carry on
Hey! Start a new thread for your petty rant about 10 and 2. :chuckle: :chuckle:
I knew I'd take some heat for the rant. But hey, I've bit my tongue for years regarding the topic and my tongue was really starting to hurt so I thought I'd mention it.
I'm glad everyone can have some fun with it. :)
10 and 2? i thought they changed that training recently in drivers ed or something??? i'll have to ask my teen sis-in-law again just for clarity?
A buddy ended up with a good lump and an imprint of his wedding ring in his forehead after his air bags deployed in an accident. It has been 15 years since I took drivers ed though.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
I actually use about 4 and 8 myself. Was shown it by an officer during a class when they had us drive an obstacle course with their vehicles. If I'm turning, I can bring the 4 hand all the way around to about 7 (and vice versa) before my leg gets in the way. If at 10 and 2, I lose a couple hours on my turn. :chuckle:
Post by: justaguy on February 09, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
Post by: kbrowne14 on February 13, 2014, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: Curly on February 13, 2014, 09:19:50 AM
I'm with you Curly, it bugs the $hit out of me too.
8) At least there are a few of us that it bugs. :tup:
Post by: luteai on February 24, 2014, 10:13:28 PM
shouldnt the correct saying be---- 3 2 9 bye 40:tup: or 3 to 9 bye 40?
Post by: runamuk on February 24, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
:bash:I had to return to the beginning...to figure out this recent topic....and then this reply cracked me up
Something that drives me crazy and happens all the time when I read discussions about optics.
I constantly see people incorrectly referring to the power of a variable scope like this: 3x9x40 or 4x12x50
Do guys that type it out like that also say it like they type it? Do they say: 3 by 9 by 40? or 4 by 12 by 50? :dunno:
Come on guys, that "x" is just shortcut for the word "by".
The correct way to type it is 3-9 X 40 or 4-12 X 50. Don't use an X where a hyphen is needed. It is a variable power scope of 3 to 9 power with a 40 mm objective.
:sry: Sorry for the rant. And I realize I should have just let it go. But maybe someone will get some benefit by this rant and stop incorrectly referring to their variable power scope.
lol. Bunched panties alert. :yike:
and yes the xxx confuses me I am expecting something different from xxx....whereas numeral-numeralxnumeral means something totally different. :)
fyi my scope is 3-9x40
Post by: dscubame on February 26, 2014, 03:53:55 PM
:shouldnt the correct saying be---- 3 2 9 bye 40:tup: or 3 to 9 bye 40?
3 to 9 bye 40. Like goodbye? Not.
3 to 9 by 40.
Since we are talking about being precise and all........
Post by: MtnMuley on February 26, 2014, 03:59:49 PM