Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 11, 2014, 10:55:27 AM
I have created a Facebook page to use as a tool to promote ATV/UTV equal access to roads in the Wenatchee National Forest/USFS. Please “like” & share the page if you agree.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/ATV-Wenatchee-National-Forest/331286733678210 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/ATV-Wenatchee-National-Forest/331286733678210)
All user groups (Auto, motorcycle, bicycle, pedestrians, horses, snowmobiles) have access to the majority of the forest service roads within the Wenatchee National Forest while ATV's only have access to very few. It is time that changes.
WA State has passed a law (HB1632) that allows ATV/UTV's to be operated on roads with a speed limit of 35mph or less. Chelan county and the city of East Wenatchee have already passed ordinances to allow for this, Douglas county will be passing one soon also.
The Forest service has been “working” on a travel management plan since 2005, with no end in sight. On a recent call (1-30-2014) to the Wenatchee office, I was told that they are not actively working on any travel management plans.
Now is the time for our user group to be heard loud and clear. Please take a few minutes and contact the USFS to let them know that WE “the public owners of this land” want action on this issue in the very near future!
Thank You
(Wenatchee USFS contacts)
District Forest Supervisor, Mike Balboni (509)664-9200
Travel Management lead, Maureen Hansen (509)664-9200
Travel Management, Brenda Yankoviak(509)664-9367
Post by: C-Money on February 11, 2014, 10:59:04 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 11, 2014, 11:04:52 AM
Post by: Hunter Dug on February 11, 2014, 11:08:55 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 11, 2014, 11:16:06 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 11, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
The Forest service has been “working” on a travel management plan since 2005, with no end in sight. On a recent call (1-30-2014) to the Wenatchee office, I was told that they are not actively working on any travel management plans.
Liked! :)
When the Department of Agriculture completed the Travel Management Plan under 36 CFR in late 2005, they placed no deadline for National Forests and their Districts to finalize their Plans. This will go on for a long time until that Travel Management Plan is revisted and "due date" is placed on the Forest Supervisors to complete.
This is why they "are not actively working on it"...........because they do not have to!! :bash:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 11, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
Im total against it. My reason is most and I didn't say all atv riders for some reason cant stay on the road, and for some reason have to wash out every corner there on. Second is they ride entirely to fast on gravel roads. I live in the Washougal area where the Jones Creek Trail system is located, and see how people ride on gravel roads and on several occasions have met people head to head on atv causing me to nearly go in the ditch to avoid a head on with a atv in a suv. Now on the streets due to adverse conditions I agree with allowing these vehicles on the road if properly equipped :twocents:.
And this has NEVER happened to you with motorcycles or auto's, driving to fast on dirt roads?
The next time you are on a forest road, look at all the berms where motorcycles have gone up and down. On trails where they have cut switchbacks?
There are bad apples in all groups, Should we ban all vehicular travel?
I personally would be the first one to turn in a fellow ATV'r not doing it right.
Post by: Hunter Dug on February 11, 2014, 11:55:50 AM
Im total against it. My reason is most and I didn't say all atv riders for some reason cant stay on the road, and for some reason have to wash out every corner there on. Second is they ride entirely to fast on gravel roads. I live in the Washougal area where the Jones Creek Trail system is located, and see how people ride on gravel roads and on several occasions have met people head to head on atv causing me to nearly go in the ditch to avoid a head on with a atv in a suv. Now on the streets due to adverse conditions I agree with allowing these vehicles on the road if properly equipped :twocents:.
And this has NEVER happened to you with motorcycles or auto's, driving to fast on dirt roads?
The next time you are on a forest road, look at all the berms where motorcycles have gone up and down. On trails where they have cut switchbacks?
There are bad apples in all groups, Should we ban all vehicular travel?
I personally would be the first one to turn in a fellow ATV'r not doing it right.
Absolutely I have seen it with motorcycles and autos. Have you seen what a auto does to a motorcycle or and atv when they collide head at any speed on a single lane gravel road. Little different that when two autos hit head on. That's great that you would turn someone in for breaking the rules but you are not the majority. Bottom line is the majority and Ill say again that does not mean everyone ride those type of vehicles in a hap hazard way. Only street legal vehicles with license drivers should be allowed to operate vehicles on public roadways period.
Post by: ghosthunter on February 11, 2014, 12:15:53 PM
I would buy one if I could ride it the 8 miles to work every day on city streets and they were allowed on forest roads where others are allowed.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 11, 2014, 01:59:25 PM
Im total against it. My reason is most and I didn't say all atv riders for some reason cant stay on the road, and for some reason have to wash out every corner there on. Second is they ride entirely to fast on gravel roads. I live in the Washougal area where the Jones Creek Trail system is located, and see how people ride on gravel roads and on several occasions have met people head to head on atv causing me to nearly go in the ditch to avoid a head on with a atv in a suv. Now on the streets due to adverse conditions I agree with allowing these vehicles on the road if properly equipped :twocents:.
And this has NEVER happened to you with motorcycles or auto's, driving to fast on dirt roads?
The next time you are on a forest road, look at all the berms where motorcycles have gone up and down. On trails where they have cut switchbacks?
There are bad apples in all groups, Should we ban all vehicular travel?
I personally would be the first one to turn in a fellow ATV'r not doing it right.
Absolutely I have seen it with motorcycles and autos. Have you seen what a auto does to a motorcycle or and atv when they collide head at any speed on a single lane gravel road. Little different that when two autos hit head on. That's great that you would turn someone in for breaking the rules but you are not the majority. Bottom line is the majority and Ill say again that does not mean everyone ride those type of vehicles in a hap hazard way. Only street legal vehicles with license drivers should be allowed to operate vehicles on public roadways period.
Only street legal vehicles will be allowed, see (hb1632)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 11, 2014, 02:42:44 PM
Each National Forest in Washington State is ran by the Ranger, from what I've been told, is the authority behind allowing ATV's on his ( which is B.S. it's OUR LAND ) forest that he/she controls. My clubs have been fighting this with the NFS greenies in Portland from what has been told to it's members. I pay a license fee, buy gas, pay insurance on mine, support local businesses with my dollars, just like the rest of you. I actually pay more than most of you, because I have ATV's. We will win this stupid, greenie run NFS.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 11, 2014, 02:55:40 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 11, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 11, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Thanks I'll do my part to be heard :tup: I love seeing atvs go offroad when I meet them on the NFS roads. :sry:
We missed you lately........... :tup:.
Post by: gasman on February 11, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Thanks I'll do my part to be heard :tup: I love seeing atvs go offroad when I meet them on the NFS roads. :sry:
We missed you lately........... :tup:.
No we didn't :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: :bdid:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 11, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Thanks I'll do my part to be heard :tup: I love seeing atvs go offroad when I meet them on the NFS roads. :sry:
We missed you lately........... :tup:.
No we didn't :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: :bdid:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 11, 2014, 07:09:42 PM
:yeah: :yeah:Thanks I'll do my part to be heard :tup: I love seeing atvs go offroad when I meet them on the NFS roads. :sry:
We missed you lately........... :tup:.
No we didn't :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: :bdid:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Careful, remember the what happened in the spotlighting :chuckle: thread to a couple who stated they might do something harmful to another..........
Post by: mtbeav on February 11, 2014, 07:59:51 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 11, 2014, 08:03:47 PM
Post by: Jingles on February 11, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
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And this has NEVER happened to you with motorcycles or auto's, driving to fast on dirt roads?
The next time you are on a forest road, look at all the berms where motorcycles have gone up and down. On trails where they have cut switchbacks?
There are bad apples in all groups, Should we ban all vehicular travel?
I personally would be the first one to turn in a fellow ATV'r not doing it right.
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Speaking from experience I have seen more horses and pack string cutting the switchbacks than ATV's..
Post by: bigtex on February 11, 2014, 08:17:15 PM
Each National Forest in Washington State is ran by the Ranger, from what I've been told, is the authority behind allowing ATV's on his ( which is B.S. it's OUR LAND ) forest that he/she controls.
The actual forest is ran by the "Forest Supervisor" who then has "District Rangers" supervising/managing each district. The "District Rangers" are not law enforcement officers and are the equivalent to a WDFW/DNR Regional Manager. Every USFS employee in the district reports to the "District Ranger" with the exception of law enforcement officers who have their own command staff.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 11, 2014, 08:23:37 PM
ATV riders die like flies now. They refuse to wear helmets. They really keep life-flight busy.
Nice Cheery attitude, I know the pilot that flies for life-flight out of Wenatchee, I will ask him :tup:
Jingles: Like I stated, Bad apples in all user groups.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 11, 2014, 08:57:27 PM
Each National Forest in Washington State is ran by the Ranger, from what I've been told, is the authority behind allowing ATV's on his ( which is B.S. it's OUR LAND ) forest that he/she controls.
The actual forest is ran by the "Forest Supervisor" who then has "District Rangers" supervising/managing each district. The "District Rangers" are not law enforcement officers and are the equivalent to a WDFW/DNR Regional Manager. Every USFS employee in the district reports to the "District Ranger" with the exception of law enforcement officers who have their own command staff.
I was close.......
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 12, 2014, 09:55:11 AM
ATV riders die like flies now. They refuse to wear helmets. They really keep life-flight busy.
Nice Cheery attitude, I know the pilot that flies for life-flight out of Wenatchee, I will ask him :tup:
Jingles: Like I stated, Bad apples in all user groups.
Pay no mind to that one, he's had a hard on for motorized users since one stole his lunch money... :chuckle:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 12, 2014, 11:03:32 AM
Washelkhunter: I noticed the groups your involved with in your profile, (God, Jesus) Wondering if the "Big Man Upstairs" agree's with your views on sharing. :dunno:
Post by: ghosthunter on February 12, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
So why not all NF?
Go up around Buck Meadows there are atvs every where.
I don't own one because there is not enough areas where I want to hunt that allow them. 90% of folks worry about never come to pass.
Hunter should not be allowed on trails because someone might get shot.
Trucks should not be allowed on Forest roads be cause there might be a head on.
Really?
I agree they should stay on road but if a truck , motorcycle, jeep can be there ATVs should be allowed too. :twocents:
Post by: ghosthunter on February 12, 2014, 11:32:53 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 12, 2014, 11:41:59 AM
Seems to me that there are several areas open to ATV on the gravel roads in NF and there doesn't seem to be any major safety concerns in those areas.
So why not all NF?
Go up around Buck Meadows there are atvs every where.
I don't own one because there is not enough areas where I want to hunt that allow them. 90% of folks worry about never come to pass.
Hunter should not be allowed on trails because someone might get shot.
Trucks should not be allowed on Forest roads be cause there might be a head on.
Really?
I agree they should stay on road but if a truck , motorcycle, jeep can be there ATVs should be allowed too. :twocents:
Exactly, ATV's are just another mode of transportation, that deserve access to USFS roads.
Some (usually those who do not own one) do not like to share.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 12, 2014, 11:43:22 AM
So why not all NF?
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Some (usually those who do not own one) do not like to share.
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:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
And How about consistency to the motor vehicle laws and 16?
Post by: jstone on February 12, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 12, 2014, 12:05:30 PM
:chuckle:
Washelkhunter: I noticed the groups your involved with in your profile, (God, Jesus) Wondering if the "Big Man Upstairs" agree's with your views on sharing. :dunno:
What the BIG guy thinks is a mystery to me. I am following your lead and sharing my views with the head of the WNF and the Director of the D of A and NF. And I am more than willing to share our great resources with all, just lace up your boots or saddle your
horse. After all, it isnt as if you could'nt use the exercise right?
Tell ya what, ill help you try to get a huge chunk of land to rip up and ride to your little hearts content. I would not oppose an exemption allowing off roaders the entire unimproved sections inside the boundaries of the Hanford reservation. I hear thats a real hot spot, youll like it.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 12, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Legalized ATV's will have metal license plates. ATV's without a lic. plate, or those riding illegally should be reported immediately,(take a pic of the offending quad/person with your cell)
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 12, 2014, 12:34:09 PM
And I am more than willing to share our great resources with all, just lace up your boots or saddle your
horse.
Do you hike or ride horses in the forest? Just curious how you get them/you to the forest? (My guess would be an auto of some type) Your choice of transportation. My preferred choice of transportation is just different than yours. (with better environment friendly gas mileage)
I am willing to share with ALL users, no group should have more of a right than the next.
When/if you ride horses, do you clean up after them when they defecate on/off a trail? I don't like stepping in it. :twocents:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 12, 2014, 12:36:53 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 12, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
So what do we know? We know the atvers ride offroad and crosscountry now even in spite of the fact that such malicious destruction of resource is illegal and a crime. We know that they are almost never brought to account. We know it mostly happens in the dark of night and deep in the back country where no one will be able to alert the authorities. We also know that the LEOs are slow to respond or may not even bother. We know all this because we have been witness to it for years. We know the cheap slogan tread lightly is an oxymoron. And we know that once fragile land is scarred it can take centuries to recover. And we know that you just want it all. You believe that since you spent the money to to buy your toys that you think you have a right to ride them wherever and whenever you want and to heck with everyone else. These are the facts we know and we say NO!
Oh, I hike in the countryside and stepping in horse apples doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not very squeamish about such natural things. I apologize. I do not play the "its all relative game", because its not.
Post by: SquirrelHunter on February 12, 2014, 01:16:24 PM
ATV riders die like flies now. They refuse to wear helmets. They really keep life-flight busy.
Im all for more access for atv's and was wondering if anyone else had numbers on the above comment, I found on ATVSafety.gov that there were 35 deaths in Washington due to ATV's from 2008-2011, and in Montana in which some cities allow for use even on city roads (billings) the number from 2008-2011 is 27.
http://www.atvsafety.gov/state/montana.html (http://www.atvsafety.gov/state/montana.html)
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 12, 2014, 01:16:49 PM
See what I mean?
Gotcha :tup:
What we believe is most often false, its what we know that matters.
So what do we know? We know the atvers ride offroad and crosscountry now even in spite of the fact that such malicious destruction of resource is illegal and a crime. We know that they are almost never brought to account. We know it mostly happens in the dark of night and deep in the back country where no one will be able to alert the authorities. We also know that the LEOs are slow to respond or may not even bother. We know all this because we have been witness to it for years. We know the cheap slogan tread lightly is an oxymoron. And we know that once fragile land is scarred it can take centuries to recover. And we know that you just want it all. You believe that since you spent the money to to buy your toys that you think you have a right to ride them wherever and whenever you want and to heck with everyone else. These are the facts we know and we say NO!
Oh, I hike in the countryside and stepping in horse apples doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not very squeamish about such natural things.
So what do we know washelkhunter? We know that four wheel drive trucks/jeeps/auto's do the exact same thing that is in your post, but more often and more damage. Do we ban them?
Fact #2 I am willing to share with ALL user's, You are not.
Horse apples do bother some, but not you, so you don't care about their feelings, I get it, you want it all, as long as it's your way. :rolleyes:
Post by: washelkhunter on February 12, 2014, 02:24:46 PM
Image of Washington
State ATV Deaths
Total Reported Deaths (1982-2011):
*Data collection for 2008-2011
is ongoing 150
Reported Deaths (1982-2007): 115
Reported Deaths (2008-2011):
*Data collection for 2008-2011
is ongoing 35
Reported Deaths (1982-2007):
Children under 16
Squirrel was a little light on his data, heres the full picture.
I prefer to deal with facts. If you want someone to care about your feelings you should go see your mommy.
Post by: bullcanyon on February 12, 2014, 02:52:57 PM
I firmly believe that the ATV owners who take the time and money to street legalize their quads will not do anything to jeopardize this privilege. We will definitely be self policeing.
Legalized ATV's will have metal license plates. ATV's without a lic. plate, or those riding illegally should be reported immediately,(take a pic of the offending quad/person with your cell)
This post sums it up. You won't see the people that are putting the money and time into getting their equipment LEGAL going out messing things up. You will see the jack wagons that aren't gonna do it right making the rest look bad.
Post by: gasman on February 12, 2014, 03:39:53 PM
When it comes to ATV or OHV, he is 100% against them and can not comprehend common sense. Its all about him :bash: :bash: :bash:
RIDE ON BROTHER :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Post by: ghosthunter on February 12, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
I see no difference between a motorcycle and a Atv on established roads.
I have never been a fan of not allowing something because something else might happen. That's the same argument the anti gunners use.
No motorized traffic or all motorized traffic. pick one.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 12, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 12, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
Hello All, :4w:
I have created a Facebook page to use as a tool to promote ATV/UTV equal access to roads in the Wenatchee National Forest/USFS. Please “like” & share the page if you agree.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/ATV-Wenatchee-National-Forest/331286733678210 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/ATV-Wenatchee-National-Forest/331286733678210)
All user groups (Auto, motorcycle, bicycle, pedestrians, horses, snowmobiles) have access to the majority of the forest service roads within the Wenatchee National Forest while ATV's only have access to very few. It is time that changes.
WA State has passed a law (HB1632) that allows ATV/UTV's to be operated on roads with a speed limit of 35mph or less. Chelan county and the city of East Wenatchee have already passed ordinances to allow for this, Douglas county will be passing one soon also.
The Forest service has been “working” on a travel management plan since 2005, with no end in sight. On a recent call (1-30-2014) to the Wenatchee office, I was told that they are not actively working on any travel management plans.
Now is the time for our user group to be heard loud and clear. Please take a few minutes and contact the USFS to let them know that WE “the public owners of this land” want action on this issue in the very near future!
Thank You
(Wenatchee USFS contacts)
District Forest Supervisor, Mike Balboni (509)664-9200
Travel Management lead, Maureen Hansen (509)664-9200
Travel Management, Brenda Yankoviak(509)664-9367
:yeah: If a road is open for one type of motorized vehicle it should be open to all motorized vehicles. :tup:
Post by: washelkhunter on February 12, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
Hey NOCK, don't waste your time having a sensible conversation with Washelk :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: he cant
When it comes to ATV or OHV, he is 100% against them and can not comprehend common sense. Its all about him :bash: :bash: :bash:
RIDE ON BROTHER :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Once again I am not against ATV/ORV's. I am against the way people use them on public property. Big difference.
I firmly believe that the ATV owners who take the time and money to street legalize their quads will not do anything to jeopardize this privilege. We will definitely be self policeing.
Legalized ATV's will have metal license plates. ATV's without a lic. plate, or those riding illegally should be reported immediately,(take a pic of the offending quad/person with your cell)
This post sums it up. You won't see the people that are putting the money and time into getting their equipment LEGAL going out messing things up. You will see the jack wagons that aren't gonna do it right making the rest look bad.
This is ridiculous reasoning. You expect me to believe that someone will sink thousands of $ purchasing an atv/orv and then spend even more $ tricking it out to even be more off-road capable and then magically they wont be going off-roading! :dunno: Yeah right.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 12, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
Hey NOCK, don't waste your time having a sensible conversation with Washelk :bdid: :bdid: :bdid: he cant
When it comes to ATV or OHV, he is 100% against them and can not comprehend common sense. Its all about him :bash: :bash: :bash:
RIDE ON BROTHER :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w: :4w:
Once again I am not against ATV/ORV's. I am against the way people use them on public property. Big difference.I firmly believe that the ATV owners who take the time and money to street legalize their quads will not do anything to jeopardize this privilege. We will definitely be self policeing.
Legalized ATV's will have metal license plates. ATV's without a lic. plate, or those riding illegally should be reported immediately,(take a pic of the offending quad/person with your cell)
This post sums it up. You won't see the people that are putting the money and time into getting their equipment LEGAL going out messing things up. You will see the jack wagons that aren't gonna do it right making the rest look bad.
This is ridiculous reasoning. You expect me to believe that someone will sink thousands of $ purchasing an atv/orv and then spend even more $ tricking it out to even be more off-road capable and then magically they wont be going off-roading! :dunno: Yeah right.
No, Not you :chuckle: WTF does a horn, added lights, turn signals, mirrors and a license plate have to do with that last rant sir?? :tung:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 12, 2014, 06:10:16 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 12, 2014, 07:46:27 PM
Post by: Threewolves on February 12, 2014, 08:50:06 PM
The NFS and WA state could make a lot of money off of 4wheelers, could add to that discovery pass money feasco. Un like the discovery pass owners would actually want to license their 4Wheelers in exchange for more areas to ride.
I was in Flagstaff and folks were driving 4wheeelers around town, they just can't go on the interstates, but that just makes to much sense for this state.
Post by: Mxracer532 on February 12, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
PS. Washelkhunter u just dont like it cause it probably scares ur horses when a atv goes by.
Post by: washelkhunter on February 12, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
PS. Washelkhunter u just dont like it cause it probably scares ur horses when a atv goes by.
It's not that really. I'm just tired of replacing horse shoes and patching up atv riders after my mule Satan has kicked the crap out them and their rides when they get too close. :chuckle:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 13, 2014, 08:03:10 AM
The above posts are examples of why we loose things like hound hunting for cougar, bobcat, bear, baiting for bear and having trapping reduced to live traps only. We don't look out for each other, we don't support each other. Our only concern is what we want without regard to insuring our brother sportsmans needs. That's what happens when it is all about me instead of all about we. If we could ever get it together team work would make a lot of dreams work.:tup: :yeah: :yeah:
The NFS and WA state could make a lot of money off of 4wheelers, could add to that discovery pass money feasco. Un like the discovery pass owners would actually want to license their 4Wheelers in exchange for more areas to ride.
I was in Flagstaff and folks were driving 4wheeelers around town, they just can't go on the interstates, but that just makes to much sense for this state.
I have always put it a different way, as to we (hunters) need to be careful what regulations and restrictions we promote on others while sleeping with the enemy.......(The Nature Conservancy, The Trust for Public Land, The Wilderness Society) Since the BIGGEST percentage of their members don't want YOU killing their animals either.
As I've said many times before....READ Bearpaws signature!
Except for the discover pass part :nono: They could double tax them as with other motorized (bigger) vehicles Sure hope none of them reads this :yike: :chuckle:
A thread about others being ahead of the curve........
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Quote from: CAMPMEAT on February 10, 2014, 02:27:00 PM
All I can say is : DEMOCRATS.
Many organizations on that list would love to see WSSA, Motorsports Dealers Assn., Off Highway vehicle Alliance, and NW Motorcycle Association in the same place as hunters......Left out. But guess what....you will find that we as hunters have a voice there in The groups I listed above and B.C. Horsemen
Even though certain members of this forum bash them :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
From.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147214.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147214.0.html)
Public-private Big Tent coalition points to recreation's economic impact
Post by: gasman on February 13, 2014, 05:40:41 PM
I firmly believe that the ATV owners who take the time and money to street legalize their quads will not do anything to jeopardize this privilege. We will definitely be self policeing.The responsible users are the ones who are respectful of the laws. Ranger Districts appreciate them Sometimes it can be the groups president who ruins the respect to that group also.
Legalized ATV's will have metal license plates. ATV's without a lic. plate, or those riding illegally should be reported immediately,(take a pic of the offending quad/person with your cell)
The problem in OHV is you have the responsible, courteous, and giving group and on the other side you have the a-holes who all they do is beech at the district ranger and forest service employees, as well as destroy the resources, and drinking and driving. This is the problem.
Also, liability is the other problem. It occurs way to often that an idiot has a few beers, hops on a quad with no helmet, rolls his quad, and hurts himself. Hey we are going to sue the forest service. in the end, they win. Another example is an its hot, Have a few beers, and go down the most technical trail in the district. Well, that guy died and the family sued.
In reality, It is the jack wagons who ruin it for everyone else imo.
*hmm I changed the original wording as the censor didn't catch it. sorry mods
Sorry, don't buy it. Sue the FS for wrecking a quad :yike:
If that was the case, every accident on FS property would up for suit :bdid:
Hell, then you can sue the FS for getting a flat tire, or charge them tow bill when someone gets stuck in the snow.
Thats just a stupid argument :bdid:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on February 13, 2014, 08:40:56 PM
The national forests belong to all of us, again I believe we can all agree on this.
If a truck goes off road and tears it up, do we ban trucks?
If a motorcycle shoots the berms and makes new trails, do we ban them?
Horses and mules cutting switchbacks, mountain bikers adding jumps to trails, snowmobiles entering wilderness area's...do we ban all these too?
Even hikers/walkers cut switchbacks, make new trails, trample on the flora & fauna...do we ban them too?
So why is it that the ATV "Bad apples" are so much worse than the other bad apples? I honestly do not get it. :dunno:
The problem in OHV is you have the responsible, courteous, and giving group and on the other side you have the a-holes who all they do is beech at the district ranger and forest service employees, as well as destroy the resources, and drinking and driving. This is the problem.
Correct me if I am wrong Naches,But I beleive Drinking & driving is a problem with all modes of transportation, not just OHV.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 13, 2014, 08:53:16 PM
There are "Bad apples" in all user groups, I believe we can all agree on this.
The national forests belong to all of us, again I believe we can all agree on this.
If a truck goes off road and tears it up, do we ban trucks?
If a motorcycle shoots the berms and makes new trails, do we ban them?
Horses and mules cutting switchbacks, mountain bikers adding jumps to trails, snowmobiles entering wilderness area's...do we ban all these too?
Even hikers/walkers cut switchbacks, make new trails, trample on the flora & fauna...do we ban them too?
So why is it that the ATV "Bad apples" are so much worse than the other bad apples? I honestly do not get it. :dunno:
The problem in OHV is you have the responsible, courteous, and giving group and on the other side you have the a-holes who all they do is beech at the district ranger and forest service employees, as well as destroy the resources, and drinking and driving. This is the problem.
Correct me if I am wrong Naches,But I beleive Drinking & driving is a problem with all modes of transportation, not just OHV.
It's called, greenie monies. The greenies are given millions, upon millions of dollars to sue, fight the ATV community. The forest circus won't fight because they say they don't have the money to fight them. Plus, most of the NFS, in my mind is full of greenies. The ATV/ORV community is such a small niche, that we will always loose until we get the greenies out and get them replaced by sensible, honest peoples. Kinda like politicians, we need new thinking people in both.
Post by: washelkhunter on February 13, 2014, 09:40:49 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 13, 2014, 09:53:28 PM
Im thinking about running for Murrays seat Steve. Can i count on your financial and advisatorial support compadre?
I don't give to politicians because they're all crooks. But, thanks for asking. I give the best advice on here, because the truth can't be broken......... :tup:
Post by: washelkhunter on February 13, 2014, 10:11:55 PM
I meant to say _______! Ah, it does'nt matter! I know I can count on you!
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 14, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
Im thinking about running for Murrays seat Steve. Can i count on your financial and advisatorial support compadre?
I don't give to politicians because they're all crooks. But, thanks for asking. I give the best advice on here, because the truth can't be broken......... :tup:
Maybe he plans to "primary" her.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 14, 2014, 11:42:22 AM
Youre all talk you cheap *censored*!
I meant to say _______! Ah, it does'nt matter! I know I can count on you!
I remember a show with a line in it, " You can't handle the truth "........ :tup:
Post by: Ironhead on March 02, 2014, 08:00:21 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 02, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 03, 2014, 07:49:13 PM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on March 04, 2014, 03:36:47 PM
Learn to ride, and keep it on two wheels!!
Just sayin...
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 31, 2015, 11:49:18 AM
A term used frequently by the US Forest Service is “Resource Damage.” Typically Resource Damage is defined as: Human disruption of a natural landscape by damaging soil, shrubs, vegetation, trees, terrain, etc.
What resource damage means to the F.S. all depends on which user group they wish to apply it to, and unfortunately the F.S. discriminates against some groups.
For years now, mountain bikes & pedestrians have used the upper #2 Canyon & Twin Peaks area above Wenatchee as their own personal playground. These groups have created numerous “user made” trails that cut across the landscape creating what the FS calls resource damage. However, the F.S. is currently working on “Rewarding” these groups by wanting to turn this area into an “Outdoor Mecca” by adding more trails, a terrain park, parking lots, restroom facilities, and road improvements.
Now if an ATV/ORV was to go cross country and establish a new trail, they would be fined for the damage they created.
ATV/ORV groups, clubs, and individuals have been seeking access to use their street legal vehicles on F.S. roads only to be constantly told NO; the “threat” of resource damage is too great. The F.S. has tried & convicted this user group without giving them the chance to prove they are responsible & good stewards of the land, yet a mountain bike can do damage and be rewarded for it. That is simply discrimination.
Forest Service land is OUR land, its public, and we the people deserve to be treated equally. If a “non-motorized Outdoor Mecca” is established in this area, outdoorsmen who enjoy hunting this area can say goodbye to it.
I strongly urge all motorized vehicle users to stand up for each other’s user group whether you dislike a particular group or not. If we do not stand together to protect our right to use our forests, we will ALL lose.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 01, 2015, 06:36:48 AM
a TRUCK. Not a word from the Geenies or the Forest Circus about it. This is right on the well traveled road that goes all the way around the mountain, so it's not like it hidden. We have 2 little papers that eat that crap up and report a dead bird and still nothing. Selective, liberal media at it again.
I was reading the Motor Vehicle Use Map and it said, " Roads Open to Highway Legal Vehicles ". That, too me, means my WATV is good to go, since it's highway legal... :tup: and certified by the state.