Post by: TriggerMike on February 12, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
Ghost's Of The Rockies Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPiMTsmjz8Q#ws)
Ghosts of the Rockies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sl6NVXelb0#ws)
Ghosts Of the Rockies~second trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtWNoJL5R9E#ws)
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 12, 2014, 02:22:26 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 12, 2014, 04:56:41 PM
:twocents: this is just as bad as a wolf lovers dream fluffy dog documentary
Actually what you don't like about this documentary, are the facts, how many people on W-H can lie anymore. This documentary will expose the truth.
Those who live in wolf country, and have do deal with wolves daily understand the corruption of WDFW and the USFWS. It just isn't biologists, it is a Top Down problem, starting with the environmentalists who make money suing, and then we have the USFWS run by environmentalists, how could any of you expect a wolf delisting ever?
Each time the wolves are threatened, the USFWS play the game of delisting. If you like your health plan you can keep it--------How many times has the health plan been postponed? 28 times. I could keep going but I think you get the drift.
Post by: wolfbait on February 12, 2014, 04:59:30 PM
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 12, 2014, 06:48:36 PM
:twocents: this is just as bad as a wolf lovers dream fluffy dog documentary
Actually what you don't like about this documentary, are the facts, how many people on W-H can lie anymore. This documentary will expose the truth.
Those who live in wolf country, and have do deal with wolves daily understand the corruption of WDFW and the USFWS. It just isn't biologists, it is a Top Down problem, starting with the environmentalists who make money suing, and then we have the USFWS run by environmentalists, how could any of you expect a wolf delisting ever?
Each time the wolves are threatened, the USFWS play the game of delisting. If you like your health plan you can keep it--------How many times has the health plan been postponed? 28 times. I could keep going but I think you get the drift.
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How well this expose the truth ? really ? :tinfoil:this makes me think of people that think these are facts. This is ridiculous how one crazy nutjob gets a camera to show his "facts" but he get's discredited/proven wrong/extremely uneducated in wildlife by everyone even other wolf nut jobs don't like him. He's the "dick chaney" of anti wolf people, Now I'm not saying it's not interesting to watch and see the view of a kill all extremist in person.But lil FYI I have lived with wolves and Grizzly's on one of the largest dairy farms in Montana.Wanna talk about living with predators? scott rockholm is a anti wolf nutjob he also made a short fairytale called "Yellowstone is dead" Which scientifically proven and fact check your self isn't dead yellowstone is as stable as ever this is just one man on a mission to kill the ecosystem and damage elk herds in more ways than any number of wolves could because he want's Only Elk everywhere and has no respect for other wildlife what so ever.
Post by: AspenBud on February 13, 2014, 09:48:04 AM
A third trailer for Ghosts of the Rockies was published yesterday. Does anyone know when the entire documentary is going to be released?
What's the rush when you can make short propaganda pieces and keep the debate bubbling. One big "documentary" that will get very little attention would be a flash in the pan.
Post by: TriggerMike on February 14, 2014, 12:45:19 PM
A third trailer for Ghosts of the Rockies was published yesterday. Does anyone know when the entire documentary is going to be released?
What's the rush when you can make short propaganda pieces and keep the debate bubbling. One big "documentary" that will get very little attention would be a flash in the pan.
That's a good point. I was just curious if anyone knew since it was originally supposed to be released Fall 2013.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 14, 2014, 12:55:17 PM
Post by: bigmacc on February 14, 2014, 06:06:24 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 14, 2014, 06:19:08 PM
A third trailer for Ghosts of the Rockies was published yesterday. Does anyone know when the entire documentary is going to be released?
What's the rush when you can make short propaganda pieces and keep the debate bubbling. One big "documentary" that will get very little attention would be a flash in the pan.
The Cool thing about Scott Rockholm's wolf documentaries is they show the other side, with facts and real people. They can be shown to those who have no clue, or are undecided.
Conservation NW and Defenders of Wildlife (water packers for the USFWS and WDFW) only have cry your eyes out, begging for money documentaries.
Big difference in the truth and begging>>>>>>>>For money to save the wolves!!! :hello:
Post by: Special T on February 14, 2014, 06:44:23 PM
I don't agree with Scott 100% BUT he has done yeomen work on gathering information and trying to spread the word. My main hope is that he has learned from his past experiences. Repetition is KEY to sales, and just because some one is skeptical does not make them a bunny hugging wolf loving hippy.
Post by: wolfbait on February 14, 2014, 07:10:50 PM
I look forward to this one. IMO Yellowstone is Dead had the right idea but lacked documentation and could have done better on selling the message. I would bet that this one has more of the facts and does a better job of selling the message.
I don't agree with Scott 100% BUT he has done yeomen work on gathering information and trying to spread the word. My main hope is that he has learned from his past experiences. Repetition is KEY to sales, and just because some one is skeptical does not make them a bunny hugging wolf loving hippy.
It's sometimes hard to understand the fight unless you have been in it for awhile. I suppose it is also hard to understand, for some, to watch your state game agency lie time after time, ignore the impact wolves are having on game herds and livestock. And watch the USFSW do the same.
I'm sure that most of you will be very understanding after 10 more years of lies from WDFW and the USFWS.
Maybe it's true WDFW just needs to buy more land, Habitat…..
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 14, 2014, 07:42:45 PM
A third trailer for Ghosts of the Rockies was published yesterday. Does anyone know when the entire documentary is going to be released?
What's the rush when you can make short propaganda pieces and keep the debate bubbling. One big "documentary" that will get very little attention would be a flash in the pan.
The Cool thing about Scott Rockholm's wolf documentaries is they show the other side, with facts and real people. They can be shown to those who have no clue, or are undecided.
Conservation NW and Defenders of Wildlife (water packers for the USFWS and WDFW) only have cry your eyes out, begging for money documentaries.
Big difference in the truth and begging>>>>>>>>For money to save the wolves!!! :hello:
This documentary is about as accurate as Obama care ,full of crap
Post by: bigmacc on February 14, 2014, 08:16:27 PM
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 14, 2014, 11:39:43 PM
Bottom line Is that wolves due take a toll on animals and they well never eat them selves out of food or over populate the Environment they're in.Everyone around YNP thinks that 20,000 to 10,000 is were it's supposed to be but that's almost 4 times the carrying population ,so now that it's normal everyone is freaking out about it when it has been ridiculously high for most there lives to see it return to normal the last 5 years or so does that make since? :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2014, 02:31:35 AM
Hunters used to enjoy multiple elk seasons all around the park, that has mostly been eliminated due to wolves. Wolves have eaten so many elk that the park elk population can't even support the wolves and they are dropping in numbers and leaving the park to eat elk in other areas outside the park. Elk numbers can be controlled by hunting seasons, when elk get too numerous seasons can be increased to reduce the population.
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2014, 06:57:49 AM
It's sometimes hard to understand the fight unless you have been in it for awhile. I suppose it is also hard to understand, for some, to watch your state game agency lie time after time, ignore the impact wolves are having on game herds and livestock. And watch the USFSW do the same.
I'm sure that most of you will be very understanding after 10 more years of lies from WDFW and the USFWS.
Maybe it's true WDFW just needs to buy more land, Habitat…..
I don't think its that hard to understand... NOW... I Understand why Scott was so frustrated with IDFG. I just think when the frustration spilled over to people Who were just starting to confront the issue he made it harder to spread the message. I would bet a cold one that he understands that better now.
As far as the BS "Carrying capacity" Argument i keep hearing. You could make that argument for the YNP where no hunting is allowed. Hunting = Management So you cannot compare YNP with ID MT, or WA at large. The whole reason why we are SUPPOSED to have game agencies are to MAXIMIZE opportunities of every kind. We COULD and DID have wolves while still having plentiful deer and elk. Those numbers are on the decline because attempts to effectively mange these wolves have been hindered at every possibility. Here is "Carrying Capacity" so that every one can under stand. We have 2 glasses of water. Both are at capacity. One is managing for maximum utility and the other is not.
Post by: bigmacc on February 15, 2014, 09:54:04 AM
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 15, 2014, 11:39:14 AM
Post by: wolfbait on February 15, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
You know what I'm going to step away from any thread wolf related,All you do Bearpaw is spread further extreme view's on wolves and everything you post is from people who do not have anything peer reviewed and are not credited.You have no clue how to handle wildlife so from a conservation stand point you and me are going to disagree.Anyone else who shares these extreme views by all means feel free you well always be outnumber by reasonable logic minds who well have majority of control over the wildlife populations,how there managed,hunted,cared for..ect.You just continue to cry on here about how much everything sucks and that anyone who say's wolves are ok out there is a lie ,false,fake,not true,B.S...ect .at the end of the day you can't change what's been proven and put into effective conservation.You can corrupt peoples minds all you want with all this there should be 2000000000 elk in Idaho. Wolves are here to stay get used to it instead of playing B.S. games go to the sportsman meetings throughout the states and get educated.
Sooo what you are really saying is, you can't snow the people on W-H? so you are bowing out? :chuckle:
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 15, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
Mark Twain
;)
Post by: wolfbait on February 15, 2014, 12:30:31 PM
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Mark Twain
;)
You tried, I bet you do a lot of running away from facts-----------
Post by: AspenBud on February 15, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
Ranchers and outfitters didn't come racing out like they have for wolves when small game hunters started to see declines in sage and sharp tailed grouse in Washington. Oh they'll talk your ear off about how poor predator management has led to declines in those animals as well, but when the "grouse in the coal mine" was dying they were nowhere to be found. No, they were out chasing cattle or guiding people on elk hunts because those are what affect their bottom lines.
Guys like Rockholm want to help hunters, they just need to be big game hunters.
Post by: kentrek on February 15, 2014, 02:14:40 PM
They went down to carrying capacity simple answer.The Environment can't handle Elk or deer above there carrying capacity for very long before they crash ,Yes we all lose a lil bit of hunting opportunity's but you still get the chance to go out and get one that well never change.We had a over population problem with elk and deer primarily elk ,They were out of habit and caught out grazing in the open of meadows in places were elk would never normally graze due to lack of apex predators and everything suffered ,Now i'm not giving all credit or even half to wolves like too many knuckleheads due,But with what were seeing in YNP it's amazing to watch the place return to normal as elk have been around 4,000 "the Carrying population is about 5,000 on the park" the last 4-5 years ,What's even better is that now the wolves are starting to go after more buffalo "like they were supposed to in the first place" and the park is returning to normal.
Bottom line Is that wolves due take a toll on animals and they well never eat them selves out of food or over populate the Environment they're in.Everyone around YNP thinks that 20,000 to 10,000 is were it's supposed to be but that's almost 4 times the carrying population ,so now that it's normal everyone is freaking out about it when it has been ridiculously high for most there lives to see it return to normal the last 5 years or so does that make since? :dunno:
..Idk how anybody can over look what wolves have done...i doubt anyone with any field time will say there wasn't enough food for elk esp when all we find is elk killed by wolves and not by hunger
Post by: wolfbait on February 15, 2014, 05:52:55 PM
Rockholm is one more wolf hack. If you killed every single wolf today and threw everyone he thinks wronged the world with wolves in jail I very much doubt he'd be out there trying to help other game animals that people like to hunt.
Ranchers and outfitters didn't come racing out like they have for wolves when small game hunters started to see declines in sage and sharp tailed grouse in Washington. Oh they'll talk your ear off about how poor predator management has led to declines in those animals as well, but when the "grouse in the coal mine" was dying they were nowhere to be found. No, they were out chasing cattle or guiding people on elk hunts because those are what affect their bottom lines.
Guys like Rockholm want to help hunters, they just need to be big game hunters.
Guys like Rockholm know more then most of you on this site where wolves and the whys come together, his tool is through video. Perhaps people like you, who have very little knowledge about the wolf agenda are appalled, the rest are for the wolf agenda.
You talk about ranchers etc. being silent on sage and sharp tailed grouse, but only complain when wolves are killing their livestock, makes me wonder how: You would feel if the feds took your tools and gave you a bicycle to ride to work with. I bet you would be one of the first in line at the complaint section. My guess is those who complain are the ones being hurt the most.
Post by: finnman on February 16, 2014, 09:03:41 AM
Many on HW and on this thread "don't get it". I fear they never will.