Post by: MtnMan2286 on February 12, 2014, 09:21:15 PM
Should a guy start using ghost points for cow tag?? Or ghost point for quality another couple years and maybe draw a cow tag first?
Post by: cem3434 on February 12, 2014, 09:24:41 PM
Post by: Westside88 on February 12, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Post by: Tbar on February 12, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
Post by: MtnMan2286 on February 12, 2014, 09:41:22 PM
Post by: MtnMan2286 on February 12, 2014, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: cem3434 on February 13, 2014, 09:54:17 AM
I would not ghost point either. You have a decent chance at drawing a couple cow tags prior to a quality. If you are lucky enough to draw both worst case is options, that is a good problem. :twocents:
:yeah: I think the chances of drawing both in one year are pretty slim. It's ultimately up to you, but I think the average points across all units for drawing a cow permit is about 4 points. The average for drawing a quality bull is probably 12 points, but it really depends on your hunting method. I didn't go look this up or do the math, so I'm just going off of memory.
Based on those odds, you will probably draw 1 or 2 cow tags before every pulling a quality bull permit. If you are anything like me, you might be waiting longer. I have 16 quality points and don't have any faith that I will draw a quality tag anytime soon.
Post by: MtnMan2286 on February 13, 2014, 07:56:53 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 13, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
I would not worry about drawing two. :twocents:
Post by: olsy on February 13, 2014, 08:35:08 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 13, 2014, 08:42:59 PM
I'm not much of a know anything about these drawing scams the WDFW has. Can someone 'splain them in laymans terms please ? I have 15 elk points and don't want to waste any of it on a stinking cow. I've always worked and couldn't take time off to elk hunt.
Thanks........
Post by: jackelope on February 13, 2014, 08:53:23 PM
Sent you a pm.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 13, 2014, 08:56:48 PM
Steve-
Sent you a pm.
Got it............ :tup:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 14, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on February 14, 2014, 02:30:20 PM
For years I wanted a Bull or Quality permit and that was my focus in the draws. I wanted a big bull! I put in for both every year while "ghosting" for cow permits until I drew those. Didn't think it would take as long as it ended up taking. I got up around 7-8 points when I thought I might have a chance at either. Long shot, but a chance. Since the odds of drawing the Bull permit I wanted were better than the Quality, I started putting in for Bull only and ghosted the Quality and Cow. Didn't want to take the chance of drawing both in the same year. Well, looking back it was a terrible strategy. Thinking I had a decent chance of drawing the Bull permit with 8+ points I wasn't putting in for anything else. Next thing I knew it took 14 points to finally pull the permit in 2012. The good part was now I had 15 points in the Quality category(and Cow!). I drew the Quality the next year. Now, here I am with 16 points for a damn cow permit. What a waste of points and years. I'm fairly confident in getting my cow tag this year so I'll basically be starting over fresh in all three. Now I'll put in for a cow tag every year. If I draw it the year I draw a bull permit then "OH WELL"!!. Instead of going 14 years without any permit at least I might be able to get a cow tag or two along the way. Also, I'll be applying for both big bull permits every year unless I'm as unlucky as I was before and start getting up into the mid teens again. Then I'll re-evaluate my situation.I'm confused :dunno: the new draw system started in 2010 right? How would ghost permits that far back?
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2014, 02:41:55 PM
Ghost hunt numbers have nothing to do with the changes made in 2010. The 2010 change created multiple categories for several species such as deer and elk. Prior to 2010 there was one elk category. Starting in 2010, there were seven elk categories. The same occurred for deer, moose, and other species.
Ghost hunt numbers existed long before the 2010 changes.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 14, 2014, 02:42:46 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 14, 2014, 02:46:03 PM
"I'm confused the new draw system started in 2010 right? How would ghost permits that far back?"I think he meant the guy referred to "ghosting" for cow while he was trying to draw a bull and a quality tag. This has only been in place for a few years now, which leds me to think along the lines of D-Rock.....How have you been ghosting points over all these years? Obviously it's been over a while because he said "until I drew those". :twocents:
Ghost hunt numbers have nothing to do with the changes made in 2010. The 2010 change created multiple categories for several species such as deer and elk. Prior to 2010 there was one elk category. Starting in 2010, there were seven elk categories. The same occurred for deer, moose, and other species.
Ghost hunt numbers existed long before the 2010 changes.
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 14, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
I understand how it works Bob but his numbers and story don't add up. He could only ghost permit other elk categories for two years because he wait he drew in 2012.Whatever points he had for "elk" prior to 2010 carried over to all elk categories when the change was made. If he had eight elk points in 2009, he would then have had eight points in every elk category including antlerless.
I guess I'm missing something. :dunno:
Post by: MtnMuley on February 14, 2014, 03:21:12 PM
Post by: RB on February 14, 2014, 03:27:22 PM
I would not ghost point either. You have a decent chance at drawing a couple cow tags prior to a quality. If you are lucky enough to draw both worst case is options, that is a good problem. :twocents::yeah:
Have drawn two cow tags last 10 years and no Bull tags quality or other :)
Post by: mtman on February 14, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on February 19, 2014, 06:37:47 AM
If you don't want to draw multiple elk permits in the same year, don't apply in multiple categories. That's why they have the option to apply for just a point. I don't agree with the way they set up this new system with the multiple categories, but if you waste your points on a permit you don't use, it's your own fault. The fact that your points will be wasted helps to keep the odds better than what they would be if there were no disadvantage to drawing more than one permit for the same animal.:yeah:
I don't like the system for several reasons but it is voluntary, and the rules are clear. WDFW is not stealing anyone's money or tags. It is a lottery with lots of players and few winners.
They expect a small amount of duplication when establishing quotas and the overall impact on harvest is minimal.
Post by: moocher97 on February 26, 2014, 05:35:35 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on February 28, 2014, 06:45:40 PM
So in 2012 i applied for the St. Helens tree farm 1000 and we got lucky and pulled the Jan. 2013 Coweeman Cow tag. @ 13 my boy got to harvest his first big game animal. A cow that made the cow i shot look like a calf
Post by: xXLojackXx on February 28, 2014, 07:54:22 PM