Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2014, 06:46:27 AM
Fish and Game Considers Wolf Baiting in Northern Idaho
COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (AP) — Officials with the Idaho Department of Fish and Game in northern Idaho are proposing hunters be allowed to use bait to kill more wolves as a way to bolster elk numbers in the Panhandle region.
The Spokesman-Review reports that Fish and Game officials also want to expand hunting for bears and cougars to kill more of those predators.
Wayne Wakkinen of Fish and Game says the agency is developing a predator management plan for the Panhandle region with the goal of increasing elk calf survival.
Wildlife managers say calf ratios should be 30 per 100 cows, but that aerial surveys have found ratios have dropped to the teens and low 20s in some areas.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 14, 2014, 06:49:22 AM
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2014, 07:02:11 AM
Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
Post by: jackmaster on February 14, 2014, 07:10:02 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2014, 07:12:19 AM
Post by: jackmaster on February 14, 2014, 07:19:25 AM
You can bait them just like bear, guys baiting bear in Idaho have wolves that come to their baits.so wolves come to big piles of bread and doughnuts and stale beer :chuckle: works like a charm for bear, oh and a couple buckets of fry grease :tup:
Post by: idahohuntr on February 14, 2014, 07:57:18 AM
Ignored? I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed. They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives . There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit. :bash: :bash: Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. :dunno:Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
Post by: KFhunter on February 14, 2014, 08:02:53 AM
There won't be no wolf baiting here, no trapping and WDFW isn't going to spend 2 million to have wildlife services kill them.
Nothing, we have no avenue to kill or manage wolves.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 14, 2014, 08:08:55 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 14, 2014, 08:10:47 AM
Hopefully Washington will follow and we can once again control our growing wolf population. Maybe some day F&G will realize again that the best management tool for predators was leg hold traps,hound hunting,and baiting.just maybe gotta think positive :dunno:
Post by: Machias on February 14, 2014, 09:00:31 AM
just maybe gotta think positive :dunno:
All evidence to the contrary. :(
Post by: Machias on February 14, 2014, 09:02:56 AM
Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. :dunno:
I guess we don't still have the BS smiley. >:(
Post by: dlaw on February 14, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2014, 05:28:01 PM
Ignored? I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed. They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives . There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit. :bash: :bash: Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. :dunno:Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
:rolleyes: an expected comment :chuckle:
Post by: deaner on February 14, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 14, 2014, 06:31:36 PM
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 14, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
Baiting is a good start to putting a dent in the wolf population.may take a couple years.but ultimately wolves will eventually need to be poisoned like they were back in the day in order for us to have deer and elk herds to peak numbers :twocents:
Hopefully Washington will follow and we can once again control our growing wolf population. Maybe some day F&G will realize again that the best management tool for predators was leg hold traps,hound hunting,and baiting.just maybe gotta think positive :dunno:
:twocents: You ever wander why everyone calls it fish and WILDLIFE now instead of game? Think people might have gotten the clue that The public no longer views wildlife as game anymore there all wildlife. No one well ever use poison again due to the damage that it has on the environment it's hard know to even use M88's "coyote gittter" with out people getting over dramatic about
poisons .Why does it seem everyone only talks about the political B.S. part and not how to actually trap,kill and hunt wolves effectively?
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 14, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
Too bad some canines with parvo don't get loose out in wolf country..............that would be a shame
:bdid:
Post by: deaner on February 14, 2014, 08:13:56 PM
Post by: Curly on February 14, 2014, 08:27:48 PM
:bdid:I agree. Bad idea on my part to type a thought that went thru my brain. I should have better restraint. I was simply trying to think of another solution to the wolf population problem and that entered my brain. I deleted my post.
Post by: BENCHLEG on February 14, 2014, 10:11:42 PM
Post by: deaner on February 14, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
Quick fix for you all. Ive heard shoot shovel and shut- up will work. :dunno: :yike:
just speaking theoretically here, but i think the SSS rule is bogus. in my mind the SS rule would be better. forego the shovel. if you gutshot something the bullet will pass clean through and the animal will run off and die a couple miles away. no bullet / no crime scene. just theoretically speaking. can we change it to the 2 s's?
Post by: jon.brown509 on February 14, 2014, 11:45:44 PM
jon brown you really need somebody fluent in english to proofread your posts. i know i slack on capitalization and punctuation out of laziness, but man i dont think you could pass a third grade english test if somebody held a gun to your head. how do you expect to be taken seriously as an educated wildlife biologist? im not trying to be a dick here, but really.... its pretty bad. nobody is going to give you credit for being educated if you cant grasp basic grade school grammar.
Naw I get to busy typing "more than just this forum" and don't proof read on here.If it would make you feel better I could start .lol
So far though ,my field notes have had to go to court only once and passed with outstanding remarks.
Besides not to be that guy but watch out for the fake wolves before you think of S.S. already got people in trouble in Montana you start poaching and I promise you they well be in your area :)
Post by: deaner on February 15, 2014, 12:02:20 AM
jon brown you really need somebody fluent in english to proofread your posts. i know i slack on capitalization and punctuation out of laziness, but man i dont think you could pass a third grade english test if somebody held a gun to your head. how do you expect to be taken seriously as an educated wildlife biologist? im not trying to be a dick here, but really.... its pretty bad. nobody is going to give you credit for being educated if you cant grasp basic grade school grammar.
Naw I get to busy typing "more than just this forum" and don't proof read on here.If it would make you feel better I could start .lol
So far though ,my field notes have had to go to court only once and passed with outstanding remarks.
Besides not to be that guy but watch out for the fake wolves before you think of S.S. already got people in trouble in Montana you start poaching and I promise you they well be in your area :)
never said i would do it. just giving my opinion on what the right way to do it would be if one were so inclined. hell i have opinions on the right way to rob banks too, but ive never done it. i just think i know everything. you know, typical internet user.
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2014, 01:29:50 AM
As was predicted by many hunters, ranchers, and some other citizens, wolves are proving very tough to control and/or manage. After believing the wolf lovers for the last few decades that wolves would self regulate and/or be easily managed, some agencies are just starting to wake up to the fact that they will have to try and regulate wolves with additional means.
Post by: huntnphool on February 15, 2014, 05:41:55 AM
In Washingtons case yes, IGNORED!!!Ignored? I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed. They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives . There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit. :bash: :bash: Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. :dunno:Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 15, 2014, 01:11:47 PM
The thread was on Idaho though. I agree, Washington will not have the same tools to try and manage wolves (e.g., trapping, hunting, aerial removal etc.) mostly because the politics of this state will never allow it :twocents:In Washingtons case yes, IGNORED!!!Ignored? I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed. They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives . There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit. :bash: :bash: Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. :dunno:Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
Post by: AspenBud on February 15, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
The thread was on Idaho though. I agree, Washington will not have the same tools to try and manage wolves (e.g., trapping, hunting, aerial removal etc.) mostly because the politics of this state will never allow it :twocents:In Washingtons case yes, IGNORED!!!Ignored? I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed. They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives . There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit. :bash: :bash: Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. :dunno:Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
The problem is not enough people hunt in Washington. I don't think it's so much "wolf lovers" in this state as it is people who don't hunt don't have a vested stake in the game and don't really care one way or another. The hunting population is tiny and as such has a tiny voice. If there were more of us the politics would change.
Post by: singleshot12 on February 15, 2014, 01:55:22 PM
Post by: AspenBud on February 15, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
I think there are enough hunters for this state,plenty for the wildlife and environment to handle. It's just that most hunters are reclusive by nature and or unfortunately have a defeatist attitude. But we are definitely out numbered 12 to 1 by REI Eco transplants :rolleyes: They don't have a clue about wildlife and the environment. They think they are helping our wild places but in actuality they are hurting them and making them disappear.
The last stat I saw showed we had 188,000 license holding hunters in this state. 188,000!!!
http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/Hunting.htm (http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/Hunting.htm)
In a state of 7,000,000 we represent maybe 3% of the public. Those are bad odds.
Post by: singleshot12 on February 15, 2014, 02:21:52 PM
Post by: AspenBud on February 15, 2014, 02:23:44 PM
It is,but I still think it's about as much as the state can handle. I'm sure the hunter% would double that if we had more space and opportunity :twocents:
That's a fair point.
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
It is,but I still think it's about as much as the state can handle. I'm sure the hunter% would double that if we had more space and opportunity :twocents:
That's a fair point.
:yeah: There are quite a few hunters in WA that go out of state to hunt.
Post by: huntnphool on February 15, 2014, 10:16:43 PM
But potentially up to a 6% swing, which is significant.I think there are enough hunters for this state,plenty for the wildlife and environment to handle. It's just that most hunters are reclusive by nature and or unfortunately have a defeatist attitude. But we are definitely out numbered 12 to 1 by REI Eco transplants :rolleyes: They don't have a clue about wildlife and the environment. They think they are helping our wild places but in actuality they are hurting them and making them disappear.
The last stat I saw showed we had 188,000 license holding hunters in this state. 188,000!!!
In a state of 7,000,000 we represent maybe 3% of the public. Those are bad odds.
Post by: wence5 on March 04, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
I just look at all the things Idaho is doing and think, Washington isn't going to do that.
There won't be no wolf baiting here, no trapping and WDFW isn't going to spend 2 million to have wildlife services kill them.
Nothing, we have no avenue to kill or manage wolves.
I think you are right. Too many wolfaboo's had complete attention and so much sway with the game commissim, we will be hard pressed to fire a red rider BB gun at a wolf let alone kill any! I hate to say this but I think Washington is dead. :'(
Post by: TeacherMan on August 21, 2015, 08:23:15 AM
Post by: TheHunt on August 21, 2015, 08:46:18 AM
Post by: Machias on August 21, 2015, 09:34:33 AM
I don't think Washington will do anything until small children, hikers, and peoples pets are taken by wolves. At that point in time people will get it and something will be done to control them.
Won't even happen then, case in point, California and lions. There have been an increase in attacks, even a person killed and the granola eaters say the same thing over and over. Oh we are in their territory, shame on us. It WILL NOT change there. The Eastside, for the most part, will scream and holler and NOTHING will change.
Post by: WAPatriot on August 21, 2015, 10:45:03 AM
Best thing that ever happend in AK was arial hunting for wolves 😉 hard to find a wolf in unit 13 up there now. Id be interested in baiting them. I've done it a lot in AK. We used road kill moose that was not salvageable for butcher. Usually hit by train or semi :o create a large pile that birds can see and the predators will come. As the snow gets deeper the trails to it become better and better. That's when you pull out the snares, back off 50 plus yards so they are not as shy of your sets and take out the pack ;)
I just went from six to midnight damn that sounds like fun. Thermo optic night vision scopes on an Ar 10 blasting a pack of wolves. Call me dr king cause that's my dream.
Post by: Stein on August 21, 2015, 11:17:18 AM
I don't think Washington will do anything until small children, hikers, and peoples pets are taken by wolves. At that point in time people will get it and something will be done to control them.
I don't think so. There are many people in this state that think animals are more important than people. Idaho is a totally different deal as is Montana.
Lefties sitting in their apartment in Seattle will simply blame the people that get attacked because they encroached in the wildlife's home area.
Post by: Special T on August 23, 2015, 10:53:26 AM
Have I mentioned that The locals finally ran Brad Pitt out of boundary country? Took the of few years but he's gone now...
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 23, 2015, 09:54:44 PM
Meanwhile, guys get on sites like this and mouth off about taking out wolves and SSS and generally make all hunters look bad to the general public. This marginalizes hunters politically even more.
I won't even go into urban sprawl and habitat issues.
All these things have been chipping away at your ability to hunt. But all you can talk about is how wolves are someday going to ruin hunting. I haven't missed one day of hunting due to wolves. But I have due to all the other factors listed above.
I'd say they have hunters right where they want them and they have a scapegoat to keep them out of their hair while they continue to reduce your ability to hunt.
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2015, 07:07:34 PM
With all you wolf worriers busily distracted by what wolves may do in the future, the real problems facing hunting have been gaining force. Number 1, Access. More and more land off limits or very limited to hunters. Number 2 which goes hand in hand with access is money. The cost of gaining access. It's turning into, if not a rich man's game, a pretty well to do man's game. this leads to #3, loss of hunters which also means loss of political power. The less hunters, the more they are marginalized.
Meanwhile, guys get on sites like this and mouth off about taking out wolves and SSS and generally make all hunters look bad to the general public. This marginalizes hunters politically even more.
I won't even go into urban sprawl and habitat issues.
All these things have been chipping away at your ability to hunt. But all you can talk about is how wolves are someday going to ruin hunting. I haven't missed one day of hunting due to wolves. But I have due to all the other factors listed above.
I'd say they have hunters right where they want them and they have a scapegoat to keep them out of their hair while they continue to reduce your ability to hunt.
Not sure how you missed it, wolves ruined hunting in many Idaho units, western MT and WY 10 years ago. Some agencies have already reacted with seasons and removal efforts, people have had time to reduce wolf numbers in some units and elk are rebounding, other units are still struggling. I would suggest that just because you don't have wolves where you live it doesn't mean there haven't been wolf impacts in many other areas.
I would also mention that some hunters have been addressing access and other issues you mention. Just because you may not have seen it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening. If you become active in sportman's groups you will learn that a great deal of hunters are working on many of the issues you mention. :twocents:
Post by: idahohuntr on August 24, 2015, 07:41:06 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,176131.msg2332468.html#msg2332468
Post by: wolfbait on August 25, 2015, 07:09:58 AM
I just look at all the things Idaho is doing and think, Washington isn't going to do that.
There won't be no wolf baiting here, no trapping and WDFW isn't going to spend 2 million to have wildlife services kill them.
Nothing, we have no avenue to kill or manage wolves.
Except fire, which just about equals the wolves that kill everything.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 26, 2015, 07:35:27 PM
Not sure how you missed it, wolves ruined hunting in many Idaho units, western MT and WY 10 years ago. Some agencies have already reacted with seasons and removal efforts, people have had time to reduce wolf numbers in some units and elk are rebounding, other units are still struggling. I would suggest that just because you don't have wolves where you live it doesn't mean there haven't been wolf impacts in many other areas.
I would also mention that some hunters have been addressing access and other issues you mention. Just because you may not have seen it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening. If you become active in sportman's groups you will learn that a great deal of hunters are working on many of the issues you mention. :twocents:
I'm not saying wolves are without problems. I'm just saying they can be dealt with for the most part. The biggest problem is with them attacking domestic animals. But for at least 5 years now I have been reading comments about how wolves are unstoppable and will be the end of hunting in NE Washington. "The downward spiral will never end!" Fact.....NE Washington herds are growing, not shrinking.
We are inundated with predictions of tapeworm epidemics and children being slaughtered like sheep. Neither have happened.
Then I get this letter from Idaho F&G.
"2015 Idaho Deer and Elk Outlook
Idaho big game hunters could have a hunting season to brag about this fall, as four consecutive mild winters have boosted deer and elk populations.
Mule Deer - Deer hunters could see the best hunting in more than 20 years. Fish and Game’s annual winter monitoring showed the highest winter mule deer survival since its intensive monitoring program began 15 years ago. Each winter, Fish and Game staff traps and radio collars adult mule deer and fawns in 14 locations across the state and monitors their survival through winter. Fawn survival over winter was nearly 80 percent, topping the previous high in the 2004-05 winter.
White-tailed Deer - White-tailed deer, which dominate Northern and Central Idaho, are doing excellent. Fish and Game does not monitor white-tails in the same ways it does mule deer. One way Fish and Game monitors whitetail populations is through hunting statistics. Whitetail harvests have grown five out the last six years and are currently above long-term averages. If trends continue this year, hunters could top the all-time whitetail harvest of 29,800 set in 1996.
Elk - Elk populations are managed differently than deer populations. Elk are fewer in numbers, and populations trends tend to be more gradual compared with deer. But in recent years, success rates and harvests gradually increased as hunters started seeing more elk. It’s likely a combination of mild winters and intensive predator management. While statewide elk hunting is improving, it’s not happening in all areas that elk inhabit. "
So Idaho had an all time best mule deer fawn survival. Better than the record year of 2004-2005 which is that 10 years ago you are talking about when you were talking about wolves ruining hunting. Whitetails are also on an upswing as are elk overall.
So, you either have to admit that wolves haven't turned Idaho into a predator pit, or that they can at least be managed to where their damage is negligible. In either case, they aren't worth more than a little concern. The fact is, as time goes on and game departments get used to dealing with them, it will only get better.
That isn't good enough for some though. They just want wolves gone period and use them as scapegoats for anything that they think is going wrong in the woods.
I believe there are much more pressing issues facing hunters. Wolves are very low on my list.
Post by: bearpaw on August 29, 2015, 03:48:31 AM
Not sure how you missed it, wolves ruined hunting in many Idaho units, western MT and WY 10 years ago. Some agencies have already reacted with seasons and removal efforts, people have had time to reduce wolf numbers in some units and elk are rebounding, other units are still struggling. I would suggest that just because you don't have wolves where you live it doesn't mean there haven't been wolf impacts in many other areas.
I would also mention that some hunters have been addressing access and other issues you mention. Just because you may not have seen it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening. If you become active in sportman's groups you will learn that a great deal of hunters are working on many of the issues you mention. :twocents:
I'm not saying wolves are without problems. I'm just saying they can be dealt with for the most part. The biggest problem is with them attacking domestic animals. But for at least 5 years now I have been reading comments about how wolves are unstoppable and will be the end of hunting in NE Washington. "The downward spiral will never end!" Fact.....NE Washington herds are growing, not shrinking.
We are inundated with predictions of tapeworm epidemics and children being slaughtered like sheep. Neither have happened.
Then I get this letter from Idaho F&G.
"2015 Idaho Deer and Elk Outlook
Idaho big game hunters could have a hunting season to brag about this fall, as four consecutive mild winters have boosted deer and elk populations.
Mule Deer - Deer hunters could see the best hunting in more than 20 years. Fish and Game’s annual winter monitoring showed the highest winter mule deer survival since its intensive monitoring program began 15 years ago. Each winter, Fish and Game staff traps and radio collars adult mule deer and fawns in 14 locations across the state and monitors their survival through winter. Fawn survival over winter was nearly 80 percent, topping the previous high in the 2004-05 winter.
White-tailed Deer - White-tailed deer, which dominate Northern and Central Idaho, are doing excellent. Fish and Game does not monitor white-tails in the same ways it does mule deer. One way Fish and Game monitors whitetail populations is through hunting statistics. Whitetail harvests have grown five out the last six years and are currently above long-term averages. If trends continue this year, hunters could top the all-time whitetail harvest of 29,800 set in 1996.
Elk - Elk populations are managed differently than deer populations. Elk are fewer in numbers, and populations trends tend to be more gradual compared with deer. But in recent years, success rates and harvests gradually increased as hunters started seeing more elk. It’s likely a combination of mild winters and intensive predator management. While statewide elk hunting is improving, it’s not happening in all areas that elk inhabit. "
So Idaho had an all time best mule deer fawn survival. Better than the record year of 2004-2005 which is that 10 years ago you are talking about when you were talking about wolves ruining hunting. Whitetails are also on an upswing as are elk overall.
So, you either have to admit that wolves haven't turned Idaho into a predator pit, or that they can at least be managed to where their damage is negligible. In either case, they aren't worth more than a little concern. The fact is, as time goes on and game departments get used to dealing with them, it will only get better.
That isn't good enough for some though. They just want wolves gone period and use them as scapegoats for anything that they think is going wrong in the woods.
I believe there are much more pressing issues facing hunters. Wolves are very low on my list.
What are you even talking about? :dunno:
Do you lack the ability to read and understand F&G studies and news reports that detail local wolf impacts in Idaho/Montana or you are simply one of those people who continually attempts to marginalize wolf impacts?
I must admit your comments are good for a chuckle on a hunting forum full of hunters who have read numerous state fish and game news releases over the last 10 years detailing severe wolf impacts on herds in many areas of Idaho and Montana and the extensive hunting, trapping, and Control actions to reduce wolf populations to save herds! :chuckle:
I suppose that IDFG, the governor of Idaho, and major news media throughout the northwest all have it wrong! :chuckle:
think.....
YNP Elk Herd
Lolo Elk Herd
Bitteroot Elk Herd
Payette Elk Herd
Couer D'Alene Elk Herd
St Joe Elk Herd
Clearwater Elk Herd
Selway Elk Herd
:chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 29, 2015, 06:40:45 AM
You have to have a college degree and want to sit on a computer all day and then they will take your advise on how to manage game ..So hard to swallow how idiotic these managers are ! Sportsmen know a hell of a lot more than they will ever know ..I hope it works and they can lure in the whole pack and let the lead fly !!!Amazing.
It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes. :bash:
:yeah: Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.
Post by: buglebrush on August 29, 2015, 07:17:40 AM
This wolf fiasco isn't over yet by any means, we are really just getting started, there may be some new type of biological method or wolf specific poison developed and used to bring wolves back into manageable numbers before it is all said and done.
As was predicted by many hunters, ranchers, and some other citizens, wolves are proving very tough to control and/or manage. After believing the wolf lovers for the last few decades that wolves would self regulate and/or be easily managed, some agencies are just starting to wake up to the fact that they will have to try and regulate wolves with additional means.
There is a wolf specific poison... Xylitol. Safe for humans and other animals, but highly toxic to canines in small amounts. Available in small amounts for a couple bucks at your local health food store. We need some sweet gut piles :twocents:
Post by: 4fletch on August 29, 2015, 07:10:29 PM
Post by: wolfbait on August 29, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
Until the deer and elk numbers are low And hunters stop buying licenses then the wildlife dept will go the same road to Idaho
Actually I think WDFW would just a soon hunters quit buying licenses, look at their pretend predator control and then look at their future plans. WDFW want to to be funded by taxes, partnered up with environmentalists.