Fish and Game Considers Wolf Baiting in Northern Idaho

[wolfbait]

It's hard to reply to a post that shows the stupidity of the USFWS, IDFG, WA…ETC. Does anyone here really think the wolves were brought in to control? 

[jon.brown509]

Baiting is a good start to putting a dent in the wolf population.may take a couple years.but ultimately wolves will eventually need to be poisoned like they were back in the day in order for us to have deer and elk herds to peak numbers

Hopefully Washington will follow and we can once again control our growing wolf population. Maybe some day F&G will realize again that the best management tool for predators was leg hold traps,hound hunting,and baiting.just maybe gotta think positive

  You ever wander why everyone calls it fish and WILDLIFE now instead of game? Think people might have gotten the clue that The public no longer views wildlife as game anymore there all wildlife. No one well ever use poison again due to the damage that it has on the environment it's hard  know to even use M88's "coyote gittter" with out people getting over dramatic about
poisons .Why does it seem everyone only talks about the political B.S. part and not how to actually trap,kill and hunt wolves effectively? 

[jon.brown509]

Too bad some canines with parvo don't get loose out in wolf country..............that would be a shame
 

[deaner]

jon brown you really need somebody fluent in english to proofread your posts.  i know i slack on capitalization and punctuation out of laziness, but man i dont think you could pass a third grade english test if somebody held a gun to your head.  how do you expect to be taken seriously as an educated wildlife biologist?  im not trying to be a dick here, but really.... its pretty bad.  nobody is going to give you credit for being educated if you cant grasp basic grade school grammar.

[Curly]

I agree.  Bad idea on my part to type a thought that went thru my brain.  I should have better restraint.  I was simply trying to think of another solution to the wolf population problem and that entered my brain.  I deleted my post.

[BENCHLEG]

 Quick fix for you all. Ive heard shoot shovel and shut- up will work. 

[deaner]

Quick fix for you all. Ive heard shoot shovel and shut- up will work. 

just speaking theoretically here, but i think the SSS rule is bogus.  in my mind the SS rule would be better.  forego the shovel.  if you gutshot something the bullet will pass clean through and the animal will run off and die a couple miles away.  no bullet / no crime scene.  just theoretically speaking.  can we change it to  the 2 s's?

[jon.brown509]

jon brown you really need somebody fluent in english to proofread your posts.  i know i slack on capitalization and punctuation out of laziness, but man i dont think you could pass a third grade english test if somebody held a gun to your head.  how do you expect to be taken seriously as an educated wildlife biologist?  im not trying to be a dick here, but really.... its pretty bad.  nobody is going to give you credit for being educated if you cant grasp basic grade school grammar.

Naw I get to busy typing "more than just this forum" and don't proof read on here.If it would make you feel better I could start .lol
 So far though ,my field notes have had to go to court only once and passed with outstanding remarks.
Besides not to be that guy but watch out for the fake wolves before you think of S.S. already got people in trouble in Montana you start poaching and I promise you they well be in your area

[deaner]

jon brown you really need somebody fluent in english to proofread your posts.  i know i slack on capitalization and punctuation out of laziness, but man i dont think you could pass a third grade english test if somebody held a gun to your head.  how do you expect to be taken seriously as an educated wildlife biologist?  im not trying to be a dick here, but really.... its pretty bad.  nobody is going to give you credit for being educated if you cant grasp basic grade school grammar.

Naw I get to busy typing "more than just this forum" and don't proof read on here.If it would make you feel better I could start .lol
 So far though ,my field notes have had to go to court only once and passed with outstanding remarks.
Besides not to be that guy but watch out for the fake wolves before you think of S.S. already got people in trouble in Montana you start poaching and I promise you they well be in your area

never said i would do it.  just giving my opinion on what the right way to do it would be if one were so inclined.  hell i have opinions on the right way to rob banks too, but ive never done it.  i just think i know everything.  you know, typical internet user.

[bearpaw]

This wolf fiasco isn't over yet by any means, we are really just getting started, there may be some new type of biological method or wolf specific poison developed and used to bring wolves back into manageable numbers before it is all said and done.

As was predicted by many hunters, ranchers, and some other citizens, wolves are proving very tough to control and/or manage. After believing the wolf lovers for the last few decades that wolves would self regulate and/or be easily managed, some agencies are just starting to wake up to the fact that they will have to try and regulate wolves with additional means.

[huntnphool]

Amazing.

It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes.

   Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.

Ignored?  I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed.  They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives .  There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit.       Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. 

In Washingtons case yes, IGNORED!!!

[idahohuntr]

Amazing.

It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes.

   Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.

Ignored?  I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed.  They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives .  There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit.       Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. 

In Washingtons case yes, IGNORED!!!

The thread was on Idaho though.  I agree, Washington will not have the same tools to try and manage wolves (e.g., trapping, hunting, aerial removal etc.) mostly because the politics of this state will never allow it     

[AspenBud]

Amazing.

It seems to me that "wildlife managers" could have learned this lesson by examining the history of wolf populations, instead of letting things play out naturally before their very eyes.

   Many, many hunters told them this too, but they ignored us.

Ignored?  I don't think so...more like there hands were tied while wolves were listed.  They ended antlerless OTC hunts for much of the panhandle a few years ago and continue to evaluate ways to meet population objectives .  There have been significant efforts to decrease predators...its not like IDFG woke up this morning and said oh, gee, we should look into this wolf thing a little bit.       Of course, if they didn't have staff wasting time explaining to people not to eat wolf feces so they don't get any diseases maybe we would be further down the road of better managing predators. 

In Washingtons case yes, IGNORED!!!

The thread was on Idaho though.  I agree, Washington will not have the same tools to try and manage wolves (e.g., trapping, hunting, aerial removal etc.) mostly because the politics of this state will never allow it 

The problem is not enough people hunt in Washington. I don't think it's so much "wolf lovers" in this state as it is people who don't hunt don't have a vested stake in the game and don't really care one way or another. The hunting population is tiny and as such has a tiny voice. If there were more of us the politics would change.

[singleshot12]

I think there are enough hunters for this state,plenty for the wildlife and environment to handle. It's just that most hunters are reclusive by nature and or unfortunately have a defeatist attitude. But we are definitely out numbered 12 to 1 by REI Eco transplants  They don't have a clue about wildlife and the environment. They think they are helping our wild places but in actuality they are hurting them and making them disappear.

[AspenBud]

I think there are enough hunters for this state,plenty for the wildlife and environment to handle. It's just that most hunters are reclusive by nature and or unfortunately have a defeatist attitude. But we are definitely out numbered 12 to 1 by REI Eco transplants  They don't have a clue about wildlife and the environment. They think they are helping our wild places but in actuality they are hurting them and making them disappear.

The last stat I saw showed we had 188,000 license holding hunters in this state. 188,000!!!

http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/Hunting.htm

In a state of 7,000,000 we represent maybe 3% of the public. Those are bad odds.