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Title: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 02:31:08 PM
Can't believe how excited I can be over a little rat!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: NW-GSP on February 16, 2014, 03:13:30 PM
I've never hunted them but am going to want to now that I'm going to have a ar!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
I gave up with the 22 and 17, I just use a gamo now. I can always find pellets, not so much anything else. Plus a little safer when I know there are workers in the orchard here. My boy just got the first one of the year!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: NW-GSP on February 16, 2014, 03:46:28 PM
That would be allot of fun with a air rifle
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: fowl smacker on February 16, 2014, 04:21:51 PM
I've never done it so if somebody is going and needs a companion hit me up.  I'll split whatever costs there are.  Sounds like an absolute blast!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 16, 2014, 04:28:51 PM
A buddy and his son and I are planning on a Ground Squirrel trip end of next month.  Thinking about taking one of my pellet guns this time... in addition to my new custom 10-22! and my 2 .17 HMRs, and my 17 Fireball, and.....  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: PolarBear on February 16, 2014, 04:42:57 PM
We use to shoot them on Les Schwab's ranch in Prineville.  Talk about a lot of fun.  We got bored with .22's and switched to .308.  Ya gotta love sniping those rats at 300-400 yards with a .308!  Splat!!!!!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 16, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
My buddy likes the long range bench rest shooting.  His son and I like the 100 yard and under rats.  Heck, I've even heard them twittering 8 feet behind me while I'm "fencepost shooting"!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Here at my place it is close quarters, I have had them pop up right behind me. I had on of the little turds on my front step earlier today. You can literally sit and shoot them within 30 feet of you all day here. No real long range with all the orchards and vineyards. Between my landlord and the rest of the property owners here there are hundreds of acres to shoot them in, and the owners are generally happy to let you do it!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 16, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
Here at my place it is close quarters, I have had them pop up right behind me. I had on of the little turds on my front step earlier today. You can literally sit and shoot them within 30 feet of you all day here. No real long range with all the orchards and vineyards. Between my landlord and the rest of the property owners here there are hundreds of acres to shoot them in, and the owners are generally happy to let you do it!

Sounds like you have a good pellet gun area.  I've heard the little buggers are making inroads into the Yakima area...
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Chukar on February 16, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Helpful info before hitting the "sage"
These are not protected...yet. Townsend, Columbia and California Ground. These are found not so much in the middle of the "sage" part of the State but around Walla Walla (small pockets in the farmlands) and primarily 1500-2000 foot elevations outside Kittitas/Kilckitat). They are about a foot long. Not so much spotted. Flicky smaller tail.
The Cali Ground is a lover of rocks, boulders with some elevation and Oaks. Bigger. Fluffy tail. Oak Creek drainage is a common zone on down south.
The Columbia is outside Spokane in the pines and pastures nearby. Big. Orange to reddish on the sides. Disappear once summer comes.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 05:32:17 PM
If you have the ammo you can literally shoot a thousand or more rounds a weekend. I think I scored points with the owner when I asked if I can shoot sage rats here, he said kill them all. The neighbor said over the summer he killed over 200 in my front yard just driving by. I'm all kinds of excited!!!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 05:35:43 PM
These guys don't have much of a tail and are about 8-10 inches long. I'll post some pics later.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Chukar on February 16, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
Now...the WA State Ground Squirrel is Protected. This one is in the Basin. Outside Potholes, hills of Crab Creek, bottom of the Yak Canyon, Wenas...these are 90% Wa State Ground Squirrel. Smaller. Grey. Lightly spotted. Chubby. Like orchards and softer ground. Essentially the most of the "Sage" areas here.
Every year the squirrel threads start and every year I see guys describing areas and even posting pics of areas that primarily hold WA State Ground Squirrels or dead ones. The other squirrels are being considered protective status currently...mistaking targets and posting dead pics of protected species can only accelerate the process.
Know your stuff friends.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Chukar on February 16, 2014, 05:42:44 PM
Wa State Ground Squirrels additionally are early season risers, smaller 8-10 inches, very lightly dusted with vague spots, smaller tail. Slight whitish eye ring. Are completely protected...
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
I would guess that last pic is what we have here, and they are a major nuisance to the farmlands. Act of depredation I guess
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Ole man fintucky on February 16, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Was going to go out today but too dang windy.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Chukar on February 16, 2014, 05:55:58 PM
Not without a study, visit, a permit and a whole lotta trouble. No way they can be taken legally unless expressed permission and good luck with that.

One last try...don't post dead pics of em, don't brag about hundreds of rounds being tossed in areas that hold em...I like my legal shooting areas and Don't want them ruined because of ignorance or willful disobedience based upon myths like depredation. 
Good shooting bros
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 06:02:48 PM
Actually I don't think these guys aren't spotted. Farmers have been known to hire shooters to help reduce them. Doesn't help. These farmers are big, trust me when I say big. I know for a fact if one has an issue and the state needs to be involved they are and usually because he invited them. Not saying in a bad way, with the new bs USDA, EPA, and other regs farmers are facing pretty soon big poo will hit the fan. Expect your produce prices to greatly increase in the future.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 16, 2014, 06:05:50 PM
I knew some of the Washington Species of Ground squirrel are protected.  In Oregon, they are not.  the juveniles are grey, and they get browner as they mature.  The farmers and ranchers there hate them, not because of their tiny burrows, but Badgers and Coyotes dig BIG holes trying to dig them out, and the big holes are hard on cattle and equipment.  One land owner wants us to shoot them so she can raise a garden!  They appear to be a smaller relative of the Prairie Dog....
Title: Re: Sage rats are out
Post by: Chukar on February 16, 2014, 06:13:11 PM
OR has Townsends. Fire away.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 06:15:07 PM
I would be very surprised if these are protected.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 16, 2014, 07:17:04 PM
Btw, if anyone wants to come by and shoot some let me know. I'm sure the door is open!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 16, 2014, 08:46:47 PM
Btw, if anyone wants to come by and shoot some let me know. I'm sure the door is open!

You may get some visitors one of these days--where we go in Oregon is better than a 6 hour drive... And I have 3 pellet guns!  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: PolarBear on February 16, 2014, 08:59:28 PM
Can't believe how excited I can be over a little rat!
That's what Richard Gere said!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: BLR 243 on February 16, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
Love shootin rats in MT.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 16, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
Love shootin rats in MT.

I know guys that go to MT to shoot rats and Prairie Dogs.  Some places there the residents call the Ground Squirrels "Gophers".  Never been there myself.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 17, 2014, 08:29:15 AM
Polar bear, I feel dirty now. Must scrub my brain!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Birdguy on February 17, 2014, 03:07:47 PM
Grizzly95 what a great offer  :tup:, I would be more than a little surprised if you did not have several people take you up on it as people see this thread  :chuckle:

Chukar, that is one of the best educational posts I have seen on here in a long time....THANK YOU. I would suspect any additional info and pictures you could offer on this topic would go a long way in helping more people do the right thing and help keep them all inside the law  :IBCOOL:. So many figure "if I can see them they are fair game" people like you sharing solid knowledge is a big help.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 26, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Not a ton out yet at my place or my dads. Tipped over about 50 last weekend.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 26, 2014, 11:43:51 AM
Not a ton out yet at my place or my dads. Tipped over about 50 last weekend.

Great!  You should start seeing more now that they are running out of winter food stores and are venturing out to forage for food!  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 26, 2014, 11:50:37 AM
Had a couple dreary days that seemed to slow them down. Hoping for warm sunny days. Had a buddy down from Spokane last weekend that had never shot them, boy did he have a great time.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: bhawley76 on February 26, 2014, 12:26:19 PM
I grew up in Montana my dad would take me out with him and you could not bring enough bullets, That was a great time I sure do miss it. Now the hard part is bullets are so hard to come by I don't really want to burn up whats so hard to replace
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 26, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
Quote
Now the hard part is bullets are so hard to come by I don't really want to burn up whats so hard to replace

That's why I use a pellet gun now.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 26, 2014, 05:13:25 PM
I grew up in Montana my dad would take me out with him and you could not bring enough bullets, That was a great time I sure do miss it. Now the hard part is bullets are so hard to come by I don't really want to burn up whats so hard to replace

That is the main reason many of the target smallbore (22 rimfire) shooters have gone to pellet guns.  .22 match grade ammo is unavailable now! And they were pleasantly surprised at the accuracy, too...  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: ICEMAN on February 26, 2014, 05:53:34 PM
Not without a study, visit, a permit and a whole lotta trouble. No way they can be taken legally unless expressed permission and good luck with that.

One last try...don't post dead pics of em, don't brag about hundreds of rounds being tossed in areas that hold em...I like my legal shooting areas and Don't want them ruined because of ignorance or willful disobedience based upon myths like depredation. 
Good shooting bros


Chukar, great posts and pics. Good info for all of us, thanks.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Grizzly95 on February 26, 2014, 09:19:10 PM
Looking back at those pics I'll bet they are the first pic you posted. I might run into a guy this weekend that would probably know for sure. Definitely not spotted though.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Imr1966 on February 28, 2014, 08:05:29 PM
I have seen no spots,no long tales,no orange.I looked at a web site from another poster,It looks like the Richardson ground squirrel to me,or close to it.I don't see how this species can be endangered or protected that I have opened fire on.I can go to the orchards I have been going to and just about kick them in the head by 3's and 4's,they are absolutely everywhere.Memorial Day last year,I killed over 700 in 2 days and I could not even tell I was there the following weekend.Just my .02.Some on here seem to want to have a p**ing match every time I post,Just saying.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 28, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
I have seen no spots,no long tales,no orange.I looked at a web site from another poster,It looks like the Richardson ground squirrel to me,or close to it.I don't see how this species can be endangered or protected that I have opened fire on.I can go to the orchards I have been going to and just about kick them in the head by 3's and 4's,they are absolutely everywhere.Memorial Day last year,I killed over 700 in 2 days and I could not even tell I was there the following weekend.Just my .02.Some on here seem to want to have a p**ing match every time I post,Just saying.

You will get no grief from me.  Anything that puts someone's livelihood at risk, In the words of Achmed The Dead Terrorist:  "I keel you!"   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: ar_nick on March 05, 2014, 12:58:07 PM
grizzly maybe this weekend, if your offer is still on the table i could head up and do some shooting with you. got tons of pellets for the gun and sighted it in last weekend
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: 2labs on March 23, 2014, 02:23:52 AM
Btw, if anyone wants to come by and shoot some let me know. I'm sure the door is open!

Grizz. I live a little east of you. Would love too whack some rats! I ride the wine country bike path in the A.M and the rats are thick. Shoot me a P.M.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: jdb on March 29, 2014, 06:11:41 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_squirrel/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_squirrel/)
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 29, 2014, 07:43:59 PM
I thought this weekend I'd be in Oregon shooting ground squirrels, but my buddy and his son never called me, so here I sit.  So anybody got ground squirrels that need thinning, let me know.  I'm retired, and have 4 pellet guns, and I'm ready!  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: jdb on March 29, 2014, 10:28:35 PM
I whacked a few today
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Imr1966 on April 03, 2014, 06:52:09 AM
Shooting has been fair lately.Should be better by the weekend I hope,near 70*.Did learn one thing this last weekend,.17 Winchester rounds are not worth the money.Accuracy sucks,not to mention the 7 rnds. that misfired!Hornady all the way.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: boneaddict on April 03, 2014, 07:15:20 AM
I whacked a few today

I never stop.    I am finally getting them under control.   
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: boneaddict on April 03, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
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Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 03, 2014, 07:39:14 AM
Nice picture!  Looks like one of last year's pups.  Juveniles are gray, and as they mature they get browner.  According to the map, at the rate that their range is expanding, soon I won't have to travel to shoot them!  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Imr1966 on April 03, 2014, 06:21:26 PM
Where I have been going in Outlook things look to be getting thinned out.Last year was very high numbers,started out this year high,now on the decline.I have been trying to get some new locations.I have another company orchard,Grandview is a long ways to go from Yakima,and shooting is tight with the .17.They want me to airgun them.Been shooting them in the 100 to 150 yd.range with the HMR.I may be going this weekend,depends on yard work and "HD'S" aka "honey dos".
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 03, 2014, 06:44:11 PM
Where I have been going in Outlook things look to be getting thinned out.Last year was very high numbers,started out this year high,now on the decline.I have been trying to get some new locations.I have another company orchard,Grandview is a long ways to go from Yakima,and shooting is tight with the .17.They want me to airgun them.Been shooting them in the 100 to 150 yd.range with the HMR.I may be going this weekend,depends on yard work and "HD'S" aka "honey dos".

I have 4 airguns--actually, 3 rifles, and an air pistol with a shoulder stock, all scoped, and real accurate PCP guns.  also have a SCUBA tank to fill them.  You are welcome to use one, if I can shoot one too!  Sunday would be best, but I'm game for anything!  I love shooting those little suckers...  :tup:  3 of my air guns have shrouded barrels.  All you hear is the thunk of the air valve!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 03, 2014, 07:18:42 PM
Where I have been going in Outlook things look to be getting thinned out.Last year was very high numbers,started out this year high,now on the decline.I have been trying to get some new locations.I have another company orchard,Grandview is a long ways to go from Yakima,and shooting is tight with the .17.They want me to airgun them.Been shooting them in the 100 to 150 yd.range with the HMR.I may be going this weekend,depends on yard work and "HD'S" aka "honey dos".

Females are underground birthing right now. Only the males are out and about. Try again in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 04, 2014, 07:11:48 AM
Where I have been going in Outlook things look to be getting thinned out.Last year was very high numbers,started out this year high,now on the decline.I have been trying to get some new locations.I have another company orchard,Grandview is a long ways to go from Yakima,and shooting is tight with the .17.They want me to airgun them.Been shooting them in the 100 to 150 yd.range with the HMR.I may be going this weekend,depends on yard work and "HD'S" aka "honey dos".

Females are underground birthing right now. Only the males are out and about. Try again in a couple weeks.

That's why I don't shoot rockchucks until June.  Gives the female time to wean the pups.  I think sage rats are like tribbles--the females are born pregnant!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: boneaddict on April 04, 2014, 07:14:18 AM
 :yeah:  I'm the same way.   I foster a crop on one hand and try extreme extermination tactics on the other
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 28, 2014, 07:48:55 PM
Big Squirrel shootin' weekend in Oregon coming up!  Didn't go last year because my sister came to visit for a week, and everybody else had things to do.  This year, everybody else canceled, but I'm going anyway.  A buddy whose son and he went with me last time asked me to take his son with me this year.  He's a squirrel-shooting little guy anyway, so it should be fun! Taking our pellet rifles this time, so it should be good inexpensive shooting.  Besides, I have to try out my new 10-22 build, too! I'm really excited to go this year!  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: actionshooter on May 04, 2014, 06:30:43 PM
Big Squirrel shootin' weekend in Oregon coming up!  Didn't go last year because my sister came to visit for a week, and everybody else had things to do.  This year, everybody else canceled, but I'm going anyway.  A buddy whose son and he went with me last time asked me to take his son with me this year.  He's a squirrel-shooting little guy anyway, so it should be fun! Taking our pellet rifles this time, so it should be good inexpensive shooting.  Besides, I have to try out my new 10-22 build, too! I'm really excited to go this year!  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:

Just got back from a couple of days in Oregon..... we had decent shooting but got some bad news from one of the farmers. There is new poison that came out that's 98% effective.  There are fields we have been shooting for years and have had several 1000+ round days, there wasn't a single rat in those fields :(
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 05, 2014, 07:30:11 AM
Got back last night after a couple of days of great shooting.  I asked one rancher why he didn't just poison them out if they were so bad, and he said that you poison them out of one field, and more move in.  Had such good shooting in his pastures and the one next to it, we never did go to the 3rd place!   :tup:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: deereman on May 07, 2014, 08:20:05 PM
I went to eastern Oregon also last weekend. Had a blast! Called it "carnage asada". The birds ate well last weekend. Got the same news from the ranch we hunted on that all his neighbors had poisoned their fields. Needless to say there was hunters everywhere camped out next to his fields which were loaded with squirrels.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 07, 2014, 08:48:28 PM
I went to eastern Oregon also last weekend. Had a blast! Called it "carnage asada". The birds ate well last weekend. Got the same news from the ranch we hunted on that all his neighbors had poisoned their fields. Needless to say there was hunters everywhere camped out next to his fields which were loaded with squirrels.

Always a good time!  The 12-year old kid who went with me had a blast with my pellet guns.  One tidbit we found out was that if you are a "newbie" to Oregon Ground Squirrel shooting, if you go to the county courthouse (Wallowa County) when they are open, they have a list of ranchers who WANT you to shoot their Squirrels.  So if you go, there's really no excuse for not finding a place to shoot if you are there for the first time!  :tup: One place we go, the owner told us to shoot one narrow fenced-off pasture, and in the morning the cattle would be moved out and we could shoot the whole field the next day!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: outdoorsdad on May 10, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
I too was in eastern Oregon, Burns area, last weekend.  Shot lots and lots of the furry critters.  17HMR reigns supreme for us.  The field poisoning has definitely changed where I shoot.  Lots of my old areas have perfect green alfalfa fields now......darn poison really works!!!
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: uber on May 18, 2014, 10:59:14 PM
so I've never been hunting before, but would love to get into it.. if I wanted to cut my teeth on a squirrel hunt in Oregon, do I need to get a small game permit from the state? I browsed their website, but didn't see anything about squirrels.
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: actionshooter on May 19, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
so I've never been hunting before, but would love to get into it.. if I wanted to cut my teeth on a squirrel hunt in Oregon, do I need to get a small game permit from the state? I browsed their website, but didn't see anything about squirrels.
Its like the military........don't ask, don't tell
Title: Re: Sage rats are out!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 22, 2014, 01:35:51 PM
Only about a month left of the Ground Squirrel season and the little buggers will start to hole up for hibernation!  :chuckle:
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