Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 17, 2014, 07:04:38 AM
I purchased a new sendero 7mm mag SF II back in August of 2013 in hopes of having it ready for a nov. 2013 hunt. I purchased the higher priced gun in hopes of avoiding the poor quality I have been hearing about coming from rem.
First thing I did was buy some factory hornady ammo. It would fit in the gun but you had to hit the bolt with your hand, to get the bolt to close (not a good thing). I figured it was the ammo. So I purchased all the reloading equipment to make my own ammo. Guess what, the case gauge wont fit. I assume the chamber is cut a little short. No big deal I will take it to Benchmark and have them run a finish reamer in the chamber. They told me they wont touch a factory rem barrel because there quality it so bad. Well I have a couple option at this point. Send it in for repairs or rechamber. I have always wanted a 7mm STW so I decide to rechamber. I give the gun to a local smith and rent a 7mm STW reamer. After 6 weeks of waiting he calls and tells me the barrel "wobbles like a spare tire" and he wont work on it. (110$ to find that out).
So I send the gun back to remington. They have had it now for 2 weeks and have with no update. I called 3 times now and have yet to get anybody from repairs on the phone.
All that said the only reason I purchased a Rem was because they are made in USA. I am now kicking myself for buying from buying from a company with such a bad reputation, and to top it off they are from the biggest anti gun state in the U.S. When I get the gun back from rem I will sell it. I am sure the gun will be fixed but I will forever think about the poor craftsmanship that came with my 1400$ rifle.
Rant off.
Now what action to choose for a 7mm STW build
Post by: jackelope on February 17, 2014, 07:11:45 AM
Now what action to choose for a 7mm STW build
Remington 700
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2014, 07:18:39 AM
Post by: Gutpile on February 17, 2014, 08:26:27 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 17, 2014, 08:32:17 AM
I have a bunch of Remingtons and will continue to buy more. :sry:
Me too. Love my Remmy's
If you had concerns before, you had the chance to buy something else. All gun makers have service departments.
Go buy a high end car....see where that gets you...
Post by: predatorpro on February 17, 2014, 08:34:54 AM
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 17, 2014, 08:49:18 AM
I guess my standards are a little to high.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2014, 09:19:41 AM
So all you would keep buying remington even if your barrels are crooked? Why wont Benchmark work on factory remington guns, why has many gun dealers stopped carrying rem products? I have other remingtons that were made in the 80's before they became freedom group and they are great. My local dealer said they stopped carrying rem because they have to send so many back to the factory to get repaired.
I guess my standards are a little to high.
Yes, that's it. Your standards all higher than all of us lowlifes. Good call! :tup:
Post by: bobcat on February 17, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
Post by: starbailey on February 17, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
I have 6 Remington rifles and all shoot great. One is a sendaro in 300 ultra that shoots .5 groups with factory ammo!
Post by: Curly on February 17, 2014, 09:51:11 AM
If you go with Rbros (a site sponsor) for your smith for your build, they use a Rogue action. You can go to their website and read about the action.
Or, like Bobcat said, Savage would be a good option and a less expensive option too. Lots of companies make barrels for Savage rifles and they are supposed to be fairly easy to replace a barrel.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 17, 2014, 09:55:18 AM
That would be a frustrating experience. One positive thing though, I bet the rifle will be a good shooter after the factory smiths get done working it over. It is a shame they let lemons out of the factory like that; I understand wanting to get rid of it.:yeah: When you get it back make sure you shoot it before getting rid of it. Could be pleasantly surprised. My :twocents:
If you go with Rbros (a site sponsor) for your smith for your build, they use a Rogue action. You can go to their website and read about the action.
Or, like Bobcat said, Savage would be a good option and a less expensive option too. Lots of companies make barrels for Savage rifles and they are supposed to be fairly easy to replace a barrel.
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 17, 2014, 10:01:28 AM
So all you would keep buying remington even if your barrels are crooked? Why wont Benchmark work on factory remington guns, why has many gun dealers stopped carrying rem products? I have other remingtons that were made in the 80's before they became freedom group and they are great. My local dealer said they stopped carrying rem because they have to send so many back to the factory to get repaired.
I guess my standards are a little to high.
Yes, that's it. Your standards all higher than all of us lowlifes. Good call! :tup:
My statement was aimed at standards for remington no at you sorry if it came out that way.
Thanks for the input. I don't think Savage makes any actions long enough for a 7mm STW, I will look into them. Might have to go to a sako 85 but I want to stay made in the USA.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 17, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
The .300 Ultra that wouldn't shoot I took back to the gunshop that I purchased it from and they gladly took it back , said they would deal with Remington themselves and swapped me out for another new rifle. Sorry to hear about your ordeal, It really bothers me when rifles don't come together or perform smoothly. Especially at the stainless Sendero's price point.
Post by: Curly on February 17, 2014, 10:13:11 AM
Thanks for the input. I don't think Savage makes any actions long enough for a 7mm STW, I will look into them. Might have to go to a sako 85 but I want to stay made in the USA.
Savage used to offer 7 STW in factory rifles. And I've seen 7STW barrels for sale for Savage replacement. So, I'm sure their actions would be long enough.
Post by: Curly on February 17, 2014, 10:17:20 AM
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 17, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
The auction is over (11 years ago), but it looks like a NIB Savage 116FSS chambered in 7 STW was sold in that auction: link (http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=4933058)
You got my wheels turning. Thanks
Post by: Rick on February 17, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
So all you would keep buying remington even if your barrels are crooked?
Show me a company that produces as many products per year as Remington does, that doesn't have a lemon slip through their doors occasionally.
Post by: huntnphool on February 17, 2014, 10:36:09 AM
Post by: Curly on February 17, 2014, 10:59:13 AM
The auction is over (11 years ago), but it looks like a NIB Savage 116FSS chambered in 7 STW was sold in that auction: link (http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=4933058)
You got my wheels turning. Thanks
No problem. I'm home sick today from work, so I'm just surfing the net.
A little more looking around and I see that Savage used to offer rifles in STW and RUM but they don't even offer the RUM anymore. Sounds like the problem you will run into with a new Savage is the magazine is going to be too short for the STW. That is probably not too hard of a fix for a smith to work around.
The other option is to keep looking for an older Savage that was chambered in RUM or STW.
If you don't mind dealing with a smith that you have to ship your rifle to, then sharp shooter supply (http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/) sounds like one to look into re: Savage rifles.
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 17, 2014, 11:12:33 AM
So all you would keep buying remington even if your barrels are crooked?
Show me a company that produces as many products per year as Remington does, that doesn't have a lemon slip through their doors occasionally.
I agree but a 1400$ gun is suppose to be quality checked before leaving the plant, thats why (at least I think) you pay extra for a good quality gun.
Just wondering why you gave the Smith 6 weeks without getting upset but have only given Remington 2?
The smith had a hard time getting a the reamer he wanted. I was told up front he cant get to it for 4 weeks then when he rented the reamer he had a hard time getting the one he wanted.
Post by: ghosthunter on February 17, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
I think you should give them ample time to make it right.
Post by: jamesjett on February 17, 2014, 11:37:24 AM
Post by: grundy53 on February 17, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
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Post by: grundy53 on February 17, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
Mistakes will still happen. You just need to let them make it right. Brand new trucks sell for up to $60,000 and yet there still are lemons from time to time. Despite the price.So all you would keep buying remington even if your barrels are crooked?
Show me a company that produces as many products per year as Remington does, that doesn't have a lemon slip through their doors occasionally.
I agree but a 1400$ gun is suppose to be quality checked before leaving the plant, thats why (at least I think) you pay extra for a good quality gun.
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Post by: thinkingman on February 17, 2014, 03:07:25 PM
You can't judge a company as a whole based off of one example.There are hundreds of examples of R700 lemons.
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Surf the shooting forums it doesn't take long to see this is far from an isolated instance.
Sako/Tikka builds/markets hundreds of thousands of firearms all over the world and you NEVER hear of this kind of stuff.
Small groups with factory ammo is the norm for Sako/Tikka.
Good thing R700s are round....Anybody with a lathe can clean and square them.
Good luck, OP.
I'd cut my losses and move on.
Post by: mountainman on February 17, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
Yes, many 700's need work to shoot accuratley anymore...not like the early models of 700You can't judge a company as a whole based off of one example.There are hundreds of examples of R700 lemons.
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Surf the shooting forums it doesn't take long to see this is far from an isolated instance.
Sako/Tikka builds/markets hundreds of thousands of firearms all over the world and you NEVER hear of this kind of stuff.
Small groups with factory ammo is the norm for Sako/Tikka.
Good thing R700s are round....Anybody with a lathe can clean and square them.
Good luck, OP.
I'd cut my losses and move on.
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 17, 2014, 03:12:05 PM
You can't judge a company as a whole based off of one example.There are hundreds of examples of R700 lemons.
sent from my typewriter
Surf the shooting forums it doesn't take long to see this is far from an isolated instance.
Sako/Tikka builds/markets hundreds of thousands of firearms all over the world and you NEVER hear of this kind of stuff.
Small groups with factory ammo is the norm for Sako/Tikka.
Good thing R700s are round....Anybody with a lathe can clean and square them.
Good luck, OP.
I'd cut my losses and move on.
Thanks for the support.
I have a tikka my wife purchased for me. Its the best gun I have ever owner. However I would like to stay made in USA buts hard when a 650$ gun is 10 times a 1400$ gun is.
Post by: Rob on February 17, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
Finally after several years, and (as you can see in the table below) nearly 200 rounds of range testing (actually closer to 300 shots - I pulled out the 200 and 300 yard test data so the group sizes would all be normalized to 100 yards) with very few sub MOA groups, I took it to Benchmark and had them rebarrel it in 7mm Rem Mag. Look at the differences in group sizes!!
(Note also that I am not really all that great of a shot, if you put either of these rifles in someone elses hands I woudl expect to see smaller groups.)
Post by: mountainman on February 17, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
Gotta love the Tikka's! :tup:You can't judge a company as a whole based off of one example.There are hundreds of examples of R700 lemons.
sent from my typewriter
Surf the shooting forums it doesn't take long to see this is far from an isolated instance.
Sako/Tikka builds/markets hundreds of thousands of firearms all over the world and you NEVER hear of this kind of stuff.
Small groups with factory ammo is the norm for Sako/Tikka.
Good thing R700s are round....Anybody with a lathe can clean and square them.
Good luck, OP.
I'd cut my losses and move on.
Thanks for the support.
I have a tikka my wife purchased for me. Its the best gun I have ever owner. However I would like to stay made in USA buts hard when a 650$ gun is 10 times a 1400$ gun is.
Post by: Rob on February 17, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
I'll fix and repost
Post by: Rob on February 17, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
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Post by: motg9_6 on February 17, 2014, 06:51:55 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2014, 07:30:06 PM
Yes, many 700's need work to shoot accuratley anymore...not like the early models of 700You can't judge a company as a whole based off of one example.There are hundreds of examples of R700 lemons.
sent from my typewriter
Surf the shooting forums it doesn't take long to see this is far from an isolated instance.
Sako/Tikka builds/markets hundreds of thousands of firearms all over the world and you NEVER hear of this kind of stuff.
Small groups with factory ammo is the norm for Sako/Tikka.
Good thing R700s are round....Anybody with a lathe can clean and square them.
Good luck, OP.
I'd cut my losses and move on.
Yes, both of my Remington 700s shot good once the trigger pull was lightened up. They both came with a "Hit the trigger with a rock" trigger pull. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 17, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on February 17, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2014, 08:04:19 PM
Old Remington's were good. I think they are due for a regime change.
That will happen, when Obama screws Cerberus out of the gun companies like he screwed them out of their stake in Chrysler.... :sry:
Post by: yorketransport on February 17, 2014, 08:51:07 PM
Now what action to choose for a 7mm STW build
Remington 700
That's funny! If you wanted to go custom without breaking the bank you could use a Stiller action. They're about $950.
The only current action that Savage makes which may work for an STW would be the 338 Lapua action. If you reload though, there's no reason to go with the STW. You can get similar performance with a few different cases which will work better out of a Savage action. The 7mm Dakota or the 7mm/375 Ruger would both be very close in performance to the STW and either one will work from a Savage long action. You can make the long rounds work out of the older Staggered Feed Savage long actions but they take a little tinkering to pull it off. The other option is to find a Savage 375 H&H from a few years ago. They used the RUM sized action as well.
Good luck with the Rem. A buddy of mine was looking for a Sendero in 7mm RM and I talked him out of it because of this sort of problem.
Andrew
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 18, 2014, 06:23:21 AM
I have all the 7mm STW reloading supply's including the brass (correctly head stamped) so I want to stick with the STW.
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2014, 07:23:58 AM
Now what action to choose for a 7mm STW build
Remington 700
That's funny! If you wanted to go custom without breaking the bank you could use a Stiller action. They're about $950.
Oh I'm sure there's better than a Remmy....I just posted that for the sarcastic comedy factor.
Post by: jrebel on February 18, 2014, 07:31:36 AM
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Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 18, 2014, 07:55:03 AM
Glad so many people like their Remmys......cause I won't buy one (rifle). It is well known that for the money you can get a fare better rifle from other manufacturers. :twocents:
One reason guys use Remington 700 actions for their custom builds is that they are so simple to rebarrel, and are accurate and reliable. The weak link in the Remington action is the extractor on the bolt. A gunsmith here in Wenatchee converts Remington bolts to use a Sako extractor. And there are custom bolts available with an AR-15 extractor machined into it already. Just depends on how much money you want to spend.... :chuckle:
Post by: jrebel on February 18, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
Glad so many people like their Remmys......cause I won't buy one (rifle). It is well known that for the money you can get a fare better rifle from other manufacturers. :twocents:
One reason guys use Remington 700 actions for their custom builds is that they are so simple to rebarrel, and are accurate and reliable. The weak link in the Remington action is the extractor on the bolt. A gunsmith here in Wenatchee converts Remington bolts to use a Sako extractor. And there are custom bolts available with an AR-15 extractor machined into it already. Just depends on how much money you want to spend.... :chuckle:
I imagine you are 100% correct. I am not well versed in builds at all. If I was buying a factory rifle and looking for a great shooter I would buy a Savage over a Remington any day of the week. :twocents:
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 18, 2014, 08:16:06 AM
Post by: suga on February 18, 2014, 08:53:06 AM
Post by: thinkingman on February 18, 2014, 10:24:20 AM
The main reason is they were designed to manufacture cheaply using round stock.Glad so many people like their Remmys......cause I won't buy one (rifle). It is well known that for the money you can get a fare better rifle from other manufacturers. :twocents:
One reason guys use Remington 700 actions for their custom builds is that they are so simple to rebarrel, and are accurate and reliable. The weak link in the Remington action is the extractor on the bolt. A gunsmith here in Wenatchee converts Remington bolts to use a Sako extractor. And there are custom bolts available with an AR-15 extractor machined into it already. Just depends on how much money you want to spend.... :chuckle:
Anyone with a lathe can turn/true/straighten the product.
That's why R700 is the 'gunsmiths' friend.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 18, 2014, 10:45:49 AM
The main reason is they were designed to manufacture cheaply using round stock.Glad so many people like their Remmys......cause I won't buy one (rifle). It is well known that for the money you can get a fare better rifle from other manufacturers. :twocents:
One reason guys use Remington 700 actions for their custom builds is that they are so simple to rebarrel, and are accurate and reliable. The weak link in the Remington action is the extractor on the bolt. A gunsmith here in Wenatchee converts Remington bolts to use a Sako extractor. And there are custom bolts available with an AR-15 extractor machined into it already. Just depends on how much money you want to spend.... :chuckle:
Anyone with a lathe can turn/true/straighten the product.
That's why R700 is the 'gunsmiths' friend.
:yeah: And how easy it is to switch barrels...
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 18, 2014, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: SFD2015 on February 18, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
My hunting rifle was a cheapo combo package that I got at GI Joes (Man I miss that store). A .300 win Mag Remington 770 with a Bushnell scope. The stock is molded plastic. 3 years ago (well after the warranty) my Sling attachment (again molded plastic) busted during an epic miss on a VERY nice 4 point black tail. Made for a crappy season of rifle carrying. I contacted Remitting via email and to be frank, I was not very nice. In fact I would say that I was down right rude... I was pissed actually. I expected more from Remington, even if I only spent a few hundred bucks on the rifle. They got back with me within 2 hours asking for the serial number and my home address to ship me a new stock. I was more than a little surprised.
I was VERY satisfied and VERY impressed with how they handled the whole situation. Having said that, my initial email included a link to the Story about the 700 having issues with firing after the safety. So Remington was still reeling from a bad PR campaign, and that may be why I got good customer service.
Even after all that, my next hunting rifle will be a browning.
Post by: CouesFanatic on February 18, 2014, 02:22:45 PM
My Remington 700 .223 shoots ridiculously accurate. I can put bullet after bullet into the same exact hole at 100 yards.
Post by: Fishmasterdan on February 25, 2014, 06:35:38 AM
Still no gun. I did manage to get ahold of Freedom Group AKA remington. They said they gun is fixed under warranty but would not answer any of my questions like. Where is it? What did you do?
So apparently the gun is "fixed under warranty" but is still lost.
It took 5 calls and over 60 minutes of being on hold to get a lame ass answer. :dunno: