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Title: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 17, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
See page 2 of this thread for a continuation of examples. 
This is a real issue happening now folks!

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147689.25.html


Example to immediately illustrate the issue:

Philadelphia, PA - January 2013

Mom Says School Went Too Far Punishing Child For 'Paper Gun'
Watch the video.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20653505/mom-says-south-philly-school-went-too-far-punishing-child-for-paper-airplane



“Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control

This post is continually updated as new information is discovered.

Contact your legislators about this growing national abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies that defy rational common sense.


People need to wake up to the intimidation and traumatizing of children via the abuses of "Zero Tolerance" policies in our schools.  The list of examples is growing.  People with anti-gun agendas, ideologies, paranoia, and irrational reactions regarding anything related to guns or arrows appear to be taking advantage of these policies.  This may be why some states are proposing laws to prevent these types of "Zero Tolerance" abuses on our children.

Children may fall victim to this type of “Zero Tolerance” abuse if they do something that falls into one of these categories (to name a few):

1)   Brandishing a pastry or other food which is partially consumed in such a way that the remnant resembles a gun;
2)   Possession of a toy gun which is two inches or less;
3)   Possession of a toy gun made of plastic snap together building blocks;
4)   Using a finger or hand to simulate a gun;
5)   Vocalizing imaginary firearms or munitions;
6)   Wearing a T-shirt that supports Second Amendment rights;
7)   Drawing a picture of, or possessing an image of, a firearm; or
8.)   Using a pencil, pen or other writing utensil to simulate a firearm.

When are we going to demand that our children NOT be subjected to these obvious abuses of “Zero Tolerance” policies?  These are abuses that appear to support anti-gun agendas and/or the school’s administration or staff’s personal ideologies.

ALL freedom loving Americans should be extremely concerned about these abuses of misdirected and misapplied policy.

The situation has become so dire that legislation is necessary to stop it.  We should consider similar legislation in Washington.


Proposed legislation:


Florida - 2014

'Pop-Tart' gun bill would protect children from zero tolerance
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2014/02/14/pop-tart-gun-bill-would-protect-children-from-zero-tolerance/

Related link:
An act relating to the code of student conduct
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=_h7029__.docx&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=7029&Session=2014

Related link:
Panel Passes ‘Common Sense’ Tweak To School Gun Policies
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/02/05/panel-passes-common-sense-tweak-to-school-gun-policies/

Related link:
Urgent Florida Alert! Zero Tolerance Shouldn't Mean Zero Common Sense
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/2/urgent-florida-alert!-zero-tolerance-shouldnt-mean-zero-common-sense.aspx

Related link:
Pop-Tart school-gun bill clears first hurdle in Florida
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/02/06/pop-tart-gun-bill/5254629/

Related Link - update (6-20-14):
“Gov. Scott signs 'Pop-Tart' bill meant to curb student suspensions”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/school-zone/os-gov-scott-pop-tart-bill,0,1750345.post



Oklahoma - 2014

Oklahoma bill would ease school policies on imaginary, toy guns
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/10/oklahoma-bill-would-ease-school-policies-on-toy-guns/

Related link:
An Act relating to schools; creating the Common Sense Zero Tolerance Act
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2013-14%20INT/hB/HB2351%20INT.PDF

Related link:
Proposed 'Common Sense' Zero Tolerance Act Draws Concerns
http://www.news9.com/story/24410685/common-sense-zero-tolerance-act


Texas - 2013

Texas Lawmaker Proposes Bill To Strip Funding From Schools That Abuse Zero Tolerance Weapons Policies
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130715/09261623802/texas-lawmaker-proposes-bill-to-strip-funding-schools-that-abuse-zero-tolerance-weapons-policies.shtml


Georgia - 2013

Lawmakers rethinking zero tolerance weapons policy in Ga. schools
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/23769934/lawmakers-consider-legalizing-knives-at-schools#axzz2tbeWiZ56


Ohio - 2014

Ohio Democrat Proposes Repeal of School “Zero-Tolerance” Policies
http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2013/09/23/ohio-democrat-proposes-repeal-school-zero-tolerance-policies

Related link:
To amend section 3313.534 of the Revised Code with respect to school district policies for violent, disruptive, or inappropriate behavior.
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=130_SB_167


Maryland - 2013

‘Toaster Pastry Gun Freedom Act’ proposed in Maryland
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/10/toaster-pastry-gun-freedom-act-proposed-in-maryland/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/10/toaster-pastry-gun-freedom-act-proposed-in-maryland/)

Related link:
New bill on school discipline introduced to Senate
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/10/toaster-pastry-gun-freedom-act-proposed-in-maryland/



Examples of “Zero Tolerance” policies out of control (More examples on Page 2 of this forum thread):
Note: In some cases, the charges may have been withdrawn.  However, the child has already been traumatized by the abuse of the “Zero Tolerance” policies.

If you know of more examples, post them here.  It’s important to expose these abuses for all to see.

Chicago, Ill - February 2014

Zero Tolerance: Chicago School Officials Suspend 11-Year-Old Boy Under ‘Dangerous Weapons’ Policy for Voluntarily Turning in Non-Firing Toy Gun
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/zero_tolerance_chicago_school_officials_suspend_11_year_old_boy_under_dange


Baltimore, Maryland - March 2013

Anne Arundel second-grader suspended for chewing his pastry into the shape of a gun
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/anne-arundel-second-grader-suspended-for-chewing-his-pastry-into-the-shape-of-a-gun/2013/03/04/44c4bbcc-84c4-11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html

Related article:
Second-grader suspended for having breakfast pastry shaped like a gun
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/02/second-grader-suspended-for-having-breakfast-pastry-shaped-like-a-gun/

Related article:
Second-grader suspended for having breakfast pastry shaped like a gun
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/13/suspension-over-gun-shaped-toaster-pastry-is-now-permanent-mark-on-kids-record/


Suffolk, Virginia - May 2013

"Va. Boy Suspended for Pointing Pencil Like Gun"
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Va-Boy-Suspended-for-Pointing-Pencil-Like-Gun-206390721.html


Mount Carmel area, PA - January 2013

Pennsylvania girl, 5, suspended for talk of 'shooting' a Hello Kitty 'bubble gun'
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/us/pennsylvania-girl-suspended


Dennis Township, NJ - 2007

7-year-old suspended over stick-figure drawing
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21397455/#.UwJm34X8s4Z


Orange, CA - September 2013

California: High School that Banned NRA T-Shirt Backs Down
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/10/california-high-school-that-banned-nra-t-shirt-backs-down.aspx

Related article:
"Attorney: School Violated Girl's Rights Over NRA T-Shirt"
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Attorney-School-Violated-Girls-Rights-Over-NRA-Shirt.html


Montgomery County, Maryland - January 2013

"Montgomery Co. Student Suspended For 'Gun' Gesture"
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Montgomery-Co-Student-Suspended-For-Gun-Gesture-185374841.html

Related article:
"1st Grader Suspended for Gun Gesture"
http://news.yahoo.com/first-grader-suspended-gun-gesture-173036429--abc-news-topstories.html

Related article:
"Montgomery Co. student suspended for gun gesture gets school record cleared"
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/montgomery-co-student-suspended-for-gun-gesture-83639.html


Grand Island, Nebraska - August 2012

"Nebraska family, school at odds over deaf boy’s ‘gun-like’ sign language name"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/29/nebraska-school-district-says-deaf-student-not-required-to-change-sign-language/


Newark,Del - October 2009

"It’s a Fork, It’s a Spoon, It’s a ... Weapon?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/education/12discipline.html


Kitchner, Ontario, Canada - February 2012

"Man shocked by arrest after daughter draws picture of gun at school"
http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2598150-man-shocked-by-arrest-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school/


Coventry RI - June 2010

"School Bans Hat Over Toy Soldiers' Guns"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-bans-hat-over-toy-soldiers-guns/


Hammonton, N.J. - February 2011

"Cops Charge 7-Year-Old for Bringing Toy Gun to Class"
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Cops-Charge-7-Year-Old-for-Bringing-Toy-Gun-to-Class-115125844.html


Oklahoma City, OK - January 2011

‘Gun’ Hand Gesture Gets Oklahoma 1st-Grader Suspended
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/01/21/gun-hand-gesture-gets-oklahoma-1st-grader-suspended/


Sayreville, NJ - March 2000

‘Cops and robbers’ to be played out in court Sayreville parents have filed a lawsuit against the district
http://sub.gmnews.com/news/2000-06-07/Front_Page/f12.html

Related article:
The Rutherford Institute defends kindergartner suspended for playing make-believe game of 'cobs & robbers'
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/pr331

Related article:
Zero-tolerance policies victimize 'good' kids
http://www.wnd.com/2000/06/4522/


Alexandria, VA - February 2013

Va. student displayed toy gun on school bus, police say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/student-displays-toy-gun-on-bus-police-say/2013/02/05/5a0be5e0-6fc6-11e2-ac36-3d8d9dcaa2e2_story.html


Missouri - February 2013

Third-grader suspended over toy gun on fob
http://www.newstribune.com/news/2013/feb/01/third-grader-suspended-over-toy-gun-fob/


Hyannis, MA - January 2013

Hyannis West student, 5, warned for making Lego gun
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/20757580/2013/01/28/hyannis-west-student-5-warned-for-making-lego-gun


Florida - March 2013

High-schooler suspended for disarming student holding loaded gun
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/04/high-schooler-suspended-for-disarming-student-holding-loaded-gun/


Pasco, WA - March 2013

Washington boy suspended for talking about toy Nerf guns, suspension overturned
http://www.examiner.com/article/washington-boy-suspended-for-talking-about-toy-nerf-guns-suspension-overturned

Related article:
Pasco School District overturns 6-year-old's suspension for discussing toy gun
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2013/03/07/2302285/pasco-school-district-overturns.html


Edmunds, WA - June 2013

Wash. elementary school students reportedly suspended for using Nerf guns
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/05/wash-students-suspended-for-playing-with-nerf-guns-at-school/


Philadelphia, PA - January 2013

Fifth-grader reprimanded for bringing paper ‘gun’ to school
Watch the video.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/fifth-grader-reprimanded-bringing-paper-gun-school-181022936.html

Related article:
Mom Says School Went Too Far Punishing Child For 'Paper Gun'
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20653505/mom-says-south-philly-school-went-too-far-punishing-child-for-paper-airplane


Sumter, SC - January 2013

Sumter kindergartener expelled for bringing toy gun to school
http://www.thestate.com/2013/01/31/2612681/sumter-kindergartener-expelled.html#.UQqe5R2x98E


Virginia Beach, VA - September 2013

7th-graders suspended for playing with airsoft gun in own yard
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/24/7th-grader-suspended-for-playing-with-airsoft-gun-in-own-yard/


Trappe, Maryland - January 2013

First-graders reportedly suspended for using fingers as ‘guns’ while playing cops and robbers
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/1st-graders-booted-playing-cops-robbers-article-1.1241260

Related article:
White Marsh Elementary first-graders suspended for using fingers as guns while playing
http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news/talbot_county/article_d6737266-5da5-11e2-a2a7-0019bb2963f4.html


Pennsylvania - December 2013

10-year old Johnny Jones suspended for shooting imaginary arrow
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/10-year-old-johnny-jones-suspended-for-shooting-imaginary-arrow/

Related link:
Fifth Grader Suspended for Shooting Imaginary Arrow!?
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/07/fifth-grader-suspended-shooting-imaginary-arrow

Related link:
Rutherford Institute Defends 10-Year-Old Suspended for Shooting Imaginary Arrow, Threatened with Expulsion Under Weapons Policy
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/rutherford_institute_defends_10_year_old_suspended_for_shooting_imaginary_a


Palmer, Massachusetts - May 2013

6-year old brings Quarter-sized toy gun on bus, threatened with detention and suspension
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/05/6-year-old-brings-quarter-sized-toy-gun-on-bus-threatened-with-detention-and-suspension/

related link:
New Developments in Lego Gun Incident in Palmer
http://www.wggb.com/2013/05/28/abc40-tonight-new-developments-in-lego-gun-incident-in-palmer/


Charleston, West Virgina - April 2013

Jared Marcum: Eighth Grader Jailed For Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School
http://www.policymic.com/articles/37057/jared-marcum-eighth-grader-jailed-for-wearing-nra-t-shirt-to-school

Related link:
8th grade student suspended for wearing NRA t-shirt
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/22050127/suspended-for-wearing-nra-t-shirt

Related linik:
Dad of West Virginia boy arrested over NRA shirt says he'll fight punishment
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/23/dad-west-virginia-boy-arrested-over-nra-shirt-says-hell-fight-punishment/

Related link:
W. Va. teen who refused to remove NRA shirt at school could face jail time in related charge
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/w-v-teen-refused-remove-nra-shirt-school-face-jail-time-related-charge-article-1.1374155


OWINGS, MD - June 2013

WMAL EXCLUSIVE: 11-Yr-Old Suspended From School For Merely TALKING About Guns
http://pro.wmal-af.tritonflex.com/common/page.php?pt=WMAL+EXCLUSIVE:+11-Yr-Old+Suspended+From+School+For+Merely+TALKING+About+Guns&id=26543&is_corp=0

Related link:
Boy suspended for discussing guns on bus
http://www.onenewsnow.com/education/2013/06/11/boy-suspended-for-discussing-guns-on-bus#.UwudIoX8s4Y




More information:

A Return to Sanity? Lawmakers Push Back Against Zero-Tolerance Abuses
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/2/a-return-to-sanity-lawmakers-push-back-against-zero-tolerance-abuses.aspx

New York Times Comes Out Against School 'Zero Tolerance' Policies
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/01/05/New-York-Times-Comes-Out-Against-School-Zero-Tolerance-Policies

Zero-tolerance still in use despite lack of evidence
http://www.ernweb.com/educational-research-articles/zero-tolerance-still-in-use-despite-lack-of-evidence/

The zero-tolerance war on kindergarteners
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/the-zero-tolerance-war-on-kindergarteners/

Zero Tolerance and Alternative Strategies: A Fact Sheet for Educators and Policymakers
http://www.nasponline.org/resources/factsheets/zt_fs.aspx

Interesting development, but read about the motivation behind the recommendation:
Obama administration recommends ending ‘zero-tolerance’ policies in schools
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-recommends-ending-zero-tolerance-policies-in-schools/

Gun play: 'Zero tolerance' toward schoolkids could backfire, says expert
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/

Zero-tolerance policies in schools face backlash in wake of gun violence
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/18/zero-tolerance-policies-schools-face-backlash-wake/


Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Bean Counter on February 17, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
"Zero common sense."
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 17, 2014, 12:58:06 PM
 Stupid is as stupid does.....
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: dscubame on February 17, 2014, 01:10:29 PM
Common sense out the window.  Geeeesh
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2014, 06:49:51 PM
Not to mention the guy that was pulled off a plane because they found a keychain-sized pistol shoved into the holster of a "Toy Story" doll in his packed luggage.  How ridiculous can you get with this stuff?!  Common sense sure isn't very common these days...  :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: PolarBear on February 17, 2014, 06:51:49 PM
Welcome to the new liberal world of punishing everyone else to push their own agenda.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2014, 06:56:01 PM
Welcome to the new liberal world of punishing everyone else to push their own agenda.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: dscubame on February 17, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
The government is here to take care of us.....everyone relax. :pee:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 18, 2014, 06:29:06 AM
Added to original post under examples:

Washington - March 2013.
Washington boy suspended for talking about toy Nerf guns, suspension overturned
http://www.examiner.com/article/washington-boy-suspended-for-talking-about-toy-nerf-guns-suspension-overturned

Related article:
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2013/03/07/2302285/pasco-school-district-overturns.html


Washington - November 2013.
Gonzaga Students Hit With Probation for Pulling Gun on Intruder
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/11/gonzaga-students-hit-with-probation-for-pulling-gun-on-intruder/

Related article:
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/gonzaga-to-reinforce-zero-tolerance-firearms-policy-through-campus-meetings/-/101214/23071300/-/xlouibz/-/index.html


Washington - June 2013.
Wash. elementary school students reportedly suspended for using Nerf guns
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/05/wash-students-suspended-for-playing-with-nerf-guns-at-school/


Philadelphia - January 2013
Watch the video:
Fifth-grader reprimanded for bringing paper ‘gun’ to school
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/fifth-grader-reprimanded-bringing-paper-gun-school-181022936.html

Related article:
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20653505/mom-says-south-philly-school-went-too-far-punishing-child-for-paper-airplane

SUMTER, SC - Jamuary 2013
Sumter kindergartener expelled for bringing toy gun to school
http://www.thestate.com/2013/01/31/2612681/sumter-kindergartener-expelled.html#.UQqe5R2x98E


Added to original post under more information:

Interesting development, but read about the motivation behind the recommendation:
Obama administration recommends ending ‘zero-tolerance’ policies in schools
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-recommends-ending-zero-tolerance-policies-in-schools/


Gun play: 'Zero tolerance' toward schoolkids could backfire, says expert
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/11/gun-play-zero-tolerance-toward-young-schoolkids-could-backfire-says-expert/

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Taco280AI on February 18, 2014, 07:03:15 AM
Sick of zero tolerance policies and people worrying about being PC or hurting someone's feelings.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 18, 2014, 07:20:29 AM
Sick of zero tolerance policies and people worrying about being PC or hurting someone's feelings.

 :twocents:
"Zero Tolerance" policies and many of the people enforcing them are out of control.  Anti-gun agendas and ideologies are obviously being applied through these policies.  That's why some states are proposing laws to prevent these abuses on our children.  This thread, "“Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control", was started to expose just how much these policies are being abused, misdirected, and misapplied.  These abuses are happening in Washington and around the country as is clearly shown by the examples collected so far.

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 18, 2014, 10:42:42 AM
The libs know they can't influence us old guys.  All they can do is brainwash "the children".  :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: bearpaw on February 18, 2014, 10:48:07 AM
great topic and comments, couldn't agree more....  :tup:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: sakoshooter on February 18, 2014, 10:49:07 AM
 :yeah:
"Zero common sense."
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: buckfvr on February 18, 2014, 11:41:05 AM
There is getting to be more and more people out there that just have to be in other peoples business...............these are the same people who seem to be incapable of learning a lesson unless its accompanied by abrassions, lacerations, contusions, and broken bones...........

Years past, nothing taught more people to mind their own business faster then a bloody nose............. :yike:  I know, I know......not nowadays........unless................
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 21, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
Added to original post under examples:


September 2013 - Virginia Beach, VA
7th-graders suspended for playing with airsoft gun in own yard
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/24/7th-grader-suspended-for-playing-with-airsoft-gun-in-own-yard/

January 2013 - Trappe, Maryland
First-graders reportedly suspended for using fingers as ‘guns’ while playing cops and robbers
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/1st-graders-booted-playing-cops-robbers-article-1.1241260



Added under More Information:

Zero-tolerance policies in schools face backlash in wake of gun violence
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/18/zero-tolerance-policies-schools-face-backlash-wake/
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntnphool on February 21, 2014, 09:21:13 AM
Yep, the liberal, progressive, democrat, pussification of our country.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: arees on February 21, 2014, 09:33:41 AM
I see schools and people trying to give all children and equal opportunity to grow up to be good little girls.  When I get together with the fathers of other boys my son's age I am always in charge of the "unsafe and irresponsible" activities.  I was saddened to discover how many of those fathers had never spent a night in a tent.  WTF?
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: returnofsid on February 21, 2014, 10:41:19 AM
Our 8 year old daughter wears shirts with hunting logos on them to school, on a regular basis.  One in particular, an archery sweatshirt, pink camo, with "Shoot Like a Girl" printed on it.  So far, no issues but I'd venture a guess that it's because it's an archery hunting theme, instead of a rifle hunting theme...

In the event that anything is ever said, I'll contact every single news agency that I can find, making as much noise as possible.  So far, she's had the same teacher for kindergarten and 1st grade, a female teacher who grew up hunting, and a second grade male teacher, who's retired military and loves that she shoots a bow!  I'm sure a time will come when she'll run into a liberally minded teacher who will take offense...
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 21, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
 :twocents:
The irrational application of "Zero Tolerance" policies is a very serious matter.  Traumatizing our children by demonizing anything remotely associated with guns by punishing them and destroying their records for being normal kids (i.e. see the examples given) serves no purpose other than to advance very obvious anti-gun agendas.  The examples given are most likely just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. 

The people of this country and our legislators need to wake up to this obvious abuse and bring an end to it.  Some states are already taking steps to protect their children from this growing issue; Washington should do the same.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: ghosthunter on February 21, 2014, 11:54:47 AM
Listen the only thing that will set them straight is a lawsuit. Damages for ruining a kids chance to college , trauma etc.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: jrebel on February 21, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
My boy goes to school next year and I am sure I will be in the principals office often.   :bash: :bash: My kids are both lifetime members of the NRA and both well versed in firearms and firearm safety.  With that being said....my boy is very vocal and very into guns...this will surely lead to problems in our public school system.  Maybe I will just break the ice on the first day and send him to school in his NRA shirt.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 24, 2014, 09:56:54 AM
Added under Proposed Legislation:

Ohio - 2014
Ohio Democrat Proposes Repeal of School “Zero-Tolerance” Policies
http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2013/09/23/ohio-democrat-proposes-repeal-school-zero-tolerance-policies

Related link:
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=130_SB_167



Maryland - 2013

‘Toaster Pastry Gun Freedom Act’ proposed in Maryland
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/10/toaster-pastry-gun-freedom-act-proposed-in-maryland/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/10/toaster-pastry-gun-freedom-act-proposed-in-maryland/)

Related link:
New bill on school discipline introduced to Senate
http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/10/toaster-pastry-gun-freedom-act-proposed-in-maryland/



Added under examples:

Pennsylvania - December 2013

10-year old Johnny Jones suspended for shooting imaginary arrow
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/10-year-old-johnny-jones-suspended-for-shooting-imaginary-arrow/

Related link:
Fifth Grader Suspended for Shooting Imaginary Arrow!?
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/07/fifth-grader-suspended-shooting-imaginary-arrow

Related link:
Rutherford Institute Defends 10-Year-Old Suspended for Shooting Imaginary Arrow, Threatened with Expulsion Under Weapons Policy
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/rutherford_institute_defends_10_year_old_suspended_for_shooting_imaginary_a


Palmer, Massachusetts - May 2013

6-year old brings Quarter-sized toy gun on bus, threatened with detention and suspension
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/05/6-year-old-brings-quarter-sized-toy-gun-on-bus-threatened-with-detention-and-suspension/

related link:
New Developments in Lego Gun Incident in Palmer
http://www.wggb.com/2013/05/28/abc40-tonight-new-developments-in-lego-gun-incident-in-palmer/
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 28, 2014, 10:43:29 AM

Added under Proposed Legislation:


Related link:
Pop-Tart school-gun bill clears first hurdle in Florida
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/02/06/pop-tart-gun-bill/5254629/
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 28, 2014, 01:12:01 PM
So, now we need legislation to make pop-tart shaped guns legal???  What a crock!  :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: vandeman17 on February 28, 2014, 01:13:01 PM
So, now we need legislation to make pop-tart shaped guns legal???  What a crock!  :bash:

Glad we are spending time and money trying to take care of the major issues facing our country  :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 28, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
So, now we need legislation to make pop-tart shaped guns legal???  What a crock!  :bash:

Glad we are spending time and money trying to take care of the major issues facing our country  :bash: :bash:

Next there will be legislation requiring the registration of pop-tart guns!  :chuckle: :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: vandeman17 on February 28, 2014, 02:12:12 PM
So, now we need legislation to make pop-tart shaped guns legal???  What a crock!  :bash:

Glad we are spending time and money trying to take care of the major issues facing our country  :bash: :bash:

Next there will be legislation requiring the registration of pop-tart guns!  :chuckle: :bash:

Then there will be petitions to get those taken and also limit the amount of toasters we can own because if we have too many it could get dangerous.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on February 28, 2014, 03:19:27 PM
Remember, the purpose of this thread is to expose the irrational abuse and total lack of common sense in the application of "Zero Tolerance" policies by some teachers and school adminstrators.  Legislation like the "pop-tart" bill is necessary because some teachers and school administrators have continued with this abuse (i.e. see all of the examples given).  Without legislation to protect our children from this insanity, your child just might be expelled or suspended from school for chewing a pastry into the shape of a gun, pointing their finger at someone and saying "Pow", etc.  They also may have a very detrimental entry into their permanent school record.  "Zero Tolerance" policies are being abused across the nation and in Washington state; the abuses need to be stopped before more children are traumatized by such idiocy.  It appears legislation is the only way to do this.

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: deltaops on March 03, 2014, 04:19:33 PM
Two of my boys go to public school and both wear camo and what not to school. I wrote a letter to my 9yos teacher last year to excuse him from school for hunting season. We have never had any issues yet and I plan not to have any. My girls boy goes to school on JBLM and we have not had any issue with him either.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 03, 2014, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: huntrights link=topic=147689.msg1972063#msg1972063 date=139362956
 It appears legislation is the only way to do this.
[/quote

No,  In my area school administrators are voted in or out by the voters.  It's these liberal people who vote in these liberal school administrators.  We don't need more unenforceable laws that will be ignored by the current crop of liberals in education.   :twocents:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on March 03, 2014, 07:14:08 PM

 :twocents:
It's primarily some teachers, principles, school administrators and other school staff that make pop-tarts chewed in to the shape of guns, Lego guns, index fingers with thumbs-up (gun form), a piece of paper shaped like a gun etc. into an extreme big deal and decide to suspend/expel children for such horrifying "weapons-related" infractions which include getting the police involved in some cases. 

The point is that anti-gun zealots that are in some school systems are abusing the "Zero Tolerance" policies to traumatize children into believing anything related to guns is "BAD".  Read the examples given; they are very real.  Other states are proposing laws to curb this very obvious abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies because the situation is out of control.  Abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies needs to be reined-in, or they will continue to be abused and misapplied.

Traumatizing children and ruining their future with an unwarranted weapons-related mark on their record resulting from abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies is wrong.

If not legislation, then what will curb the abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies?

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: deltaops on March 04, 2014, 12:49:01 PM

 :twocents:
It's primarily some teachers, principles, school administrators and other school staff that make pop-tarts chewed in to the shape of guns, Lego guns, index fingers with thumbs-up (gun form), a piece of paper shaped like a gun etc. into an extreme big deal and decide to suspend/expel children for such horrifying "weapons-related" infractions which include getting the police involved in some cases. 

The point is that anti-gun zealots that are in some school systems are abusing the "Zero Tolerance" policies to traumatize children into believing anything related to guns is "BAD".  Read the examples given; they are very real.  Other states are proposing laws to curb this very obvious abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies because the situation is out of control.  Abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies needs to be reined-in, or they will continue to be abused and misapplied.

Traumatizing children and ruining their future with an unwarranted weapons-related mark on their record resulting from abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies is wrong.

If not legislation, then what will curb the abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies?

Parents with balls!   
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 04, 2014, 12:55:05 PM

 :twocents:
It's primarily some teachers, principles, school administrators and other school staff that make pop-tarts chewed in to the shape of guns, Lego guns, index fingers with thumbs-up (gun form), a piece of paper shaped like a gun etc. into an extreme big deal and decide to suspend/expel children for such horrifying "weapons-related" infractions which include getting the police involved in some cases. 

The point is that anti-gun zealots that are in some school systems are abusing the "Zero Tolerance" policies to traumatize children into believing anything related to guns is "BAD".  Read the examples given; they are very real.  Other states are proposing laws to curb this very obvious abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies because the situation is out of control.  Abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies needs to be reined-in, or they will continue to be abused and misapplied.

Traumatizing children and ruining their future with an unwarranted weapons-related mark on their record resulting from abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies is wrong.

If not legislation, then what will curb the abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies?

Parents with balls!

 :yeah:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on March 04, 2014, 04:27:00 PM

Some may choose to joke about this, but it's not a joking matter

The parents of these kids have to hire attorneys, at their own expense, to fight against these ludicrous charges that result in suspension or expulsion from school and a tarnished record. 

Imagine your kid getting suspended for displaying a "Level 2 lookalike firearm" and the lookalike firearm was his finger.  "Level 2 lookalike firearm" is now in his record.  This is not a joke; it just happened in Columbus, OH.  This will be another example added to the list of examples.


Columbus, OH - March 2014

Boy, 10, Suspended for Making Gun with Fingers
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/03/04/boy-10-suspended-for-level-2-lookalike-firearm-usage/

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on March 13, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
Continued from the initial post on page 1 of this thread due to character limitations in a single post.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147689.0.html



This abuse will continue to happen until laws are put in place to stop it.


Examples of “Zero Tolerance” policies out of control:
Note: In some cases, the charges may have been withdrawn.  However, the child has already been traumatized by the abuse of the “Zero Tolerance” policies.

If you know of more examples, post them here.  It’s important to expose these abuses for all to see.


Columbus, OH - March 2014

Boy, 10, Suspended for Making Gun with Fingers
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/03/04/boy-10-suspended-for-level-2-lookalike-firearm-usage/

Related article:
Ohio Fifth-Grader Suspended for Exposing Other Students to a ‘Level 2 Lookalike Firearm’ (Guess What It Was)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/04/ohio-fifth-grader-suspended-for-exposing-other-students-to-a-level-2-lookalike-firearm-guess-what-it-was/

Related article:
"Boy suspended for bringing own hand to school"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/opinion/cevallos-kid-points-finger-gun/


Upstate New York - March 2014

"New York high school student suspended for NRA pro-2nd Amendment T-shirt"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/new-york-high-school-suspended-for-nra-pro-2nd-amendment-t-shirt/

Related article:
"Victory: NY School Reverses Suspension for Student Wearing NRA Shirt"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/04/23/victory-ny-school-reverses-suspension-for-student-wearing-nra-shirt-n1828359


Ohio - March 2014

"High school senior jailed, kicked out of school and may lose Army dream because of pocket knife in car"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/18/high-school-senior-jailed-kicked-out-school-and-may-lose-army-dream-because/

Related article:
Attorney: School's overreaction to pocket knife may destroy teen's future
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/04/16/attorney-schools-overreaction-to-pocket-knife-may-destroy-teens-future/


Los Angeles, CA – April 2014

“‘Punished for Teaching Science’: Popular Teacher Suspended for ‘Research and Development of Imitation Weapons’”
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/18/punished-teaching-science-popular-teacher-suspended-research-development-imitation-weapons/


Widefield, Colorado – May 2014

“Child Disciplined for Thinking about a Gun”
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2014/05/23/child-disciplined-for-thinking-about-a-gun/

Related article”
“Gun Picture Gets Boy In Trouble”
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Gun-Picture-Gets-Boy-in-Trouble-260059701.html


New Kensington, Pennsylvania – June 2014

“New Ken first-grader suspended for having toy gun; expulsion possible”
http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourallekiskivalley/yourallekiskivalleymore/6233750-74/simak-son-district#axzz34A6nuhum


Related article:
“First grader turns himself in for having toy gun, faces expulsion”
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/06/09/first-grader-turns-himself-in-for-having-toy-gun-faces-expulsion/


Florence, Arizona - February 2013

Ariz. high school student suspended over gun picture
http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Related link:
Florence student suspended over picture of gun
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/florence/florence-student-suspended-over-picture-of-gun

Related link:
High-school freshman suspended for having a picture of a gun
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/02/high-school-freshman-suspended-for-having-a-picture-of-a-gun/


SUMMERVILLE, SC - August 2014

Police, lawyer release statements on student's alleged dinosaur killing
http://www.nbc12.com/story/26319685/cops-summerville-high-school-student-arrested-after-writing-threatening-message-on-assignment


Wisconsin - September 2014

"Could This Tiny Picture Get an 11-Year-Old Boy Expelled from School?"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/02/could-this-tiny-picture-get-an-11-year-old-boy-expelled-from-school/

"11-year-old to be expelled for bringing a virtual gun to a virtual school?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkux-jSvQn8

Related article:
"Virtual School Practices Real Oppression, Bans Pixilated Firearms"
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/9/virtual-school-practices-real-oppression-bans-pixilated-firearms.aspx


Vernon, N.J. - April, 2014

Outrage of the Week: Zero-Tolerance Policies Now Exploited by Enterprising Bullies
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/4/outrage-of-the-week-zero-tolerance-policies-now-exploited-by-enterprising-bullies.aspx

Related Article:

Watch the video:
Ethan Chaplin, Student, Says He Was Suspended For Twirling Pencil
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/ethan-chaplin-student-suspended-twirling-pencil_n_5106069.html


Mobile, Ala. – October, 2014

“Crayon "Gun" Subjects 5-year-old to Suicide/Homicide Screening and Non-Violence "Contract"”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/10/crayon-gun-subjects-5yearold-to-suicide-homicide-screening-and-nonviolence-contract.aspx


Related article:

“Mobile County kindergartner asked to sign 'safety contract' after drawing a picture of gun”
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/10/kindergartner_asked_to_sign_sa.html


Lewiston Maine – April, 2014

“Outrage of the Week: One Yellow Squirt Gun, Plus Zero Common Sense Enforcement, Equals 10-Day Suspension”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/4/outrage-of-the-week-one-yellow-squirt-gun-plus-zero-common-sense-enforcement-equals-10-day-suspension.aspx


Related article:

“School suspends 10th-grader for having bright yellow squirt gun”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/17/school-suspends-10th-grader-for-having-bright-yellow-squirt-gun/?advD=1248,142791


Milford, Mass. – November 2014

“School Suspends Fifth-Grader Armed with Finger, Childlike Imagination”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/11/school-suspends-fifth-grader-armed-with-finger-childlike-imagination.aspx


Related article:

“Milford School Committee responds to suspension of 5th-grader”
http://www.milforddailynews.com/article/20141120/NEWS/141129132


Warner Robins, Georgia - August 2014

Child suspended for bringing NERF gun to school
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/2014/08/06/nerf-gun-child-suspended-georgia/13702993/ (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/2014/08/06/nerf-gun-child-suspended-georgia/13702993/)


Colorado Springs, Colorado – March 2015

“6-Year-Old Suspended For Pointing Fingers In The Shape Of A Gun”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/06/6-year-old-fingers-shape-of-gun-suspended_n_6813864.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/06/6-year-old-fingers-shape-of-gun-suspended_n_6813864.html)


Atlantic City, N.J. - May 2015

Mother Says Son Suspended Over Nerf Bullet In New Jersey
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/05/14/mother-says-son-suspended-over-toy-bullet/

Related Article:

Finger-gun Slinger in Chief Rides Again, Conveys Hopeful Message to America's Kids
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150522/finger-gun-slinger-in-chief-rides-again-conveys-hopeful-message-to-americas-kids


Dallas Texas - September 2015

Texas high school student suspended over American flag T-shirt
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/20/texas-high-school-student-suspended-over-american-flag-t-shirt/


Gresham, OR - October 2015

Gresham eighth grader suspended for refusing to remove fallen soldier t-shirt
http://www.kptv.com/story/30225044/gresham-eighth-grader-suspended-for-an-image-on-his-t-shirt

Oregon middle school student suspended for wearing fallen soldier shirt showing gun
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-8th-grader-suspended-wearing-fallen-soldier-shirt-article-1.2392168

Principal sends student home for patriotic shirt with gun
http://koin.com/2015/10/08/8th-grader-sent-home-for-patriotic-shirt-with-gun/


Brighton, Colorado - May 2016

Kindergartner Suspended for Princess Bubble Gun
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160527/outrage-of-the-week-kindergartner-suspended-for-princess-bubble-gun

Kindergartner Suspended For Bringing Bubble Gun To Class
http://5newsonline.com/2016/05/18/kindergartner-suspended-for-bringing-bubble-gun-to-class/


Manville, NJ - September 2016

Anti-gun-control video project gets H.S. student suspended
http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2016/09/high_school_student_reportedly_suspended_for_anti-.html

Reports: N.J. School Officials Suspend Student Over Pro-Gun Presentation
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160930/reports-nj-school-officials-suspend-student-over-pro-gun-presentation


Portsmouth, Va. - June 2016

"Portsmouth 7-year-old faces expulsion for bringing toy guns to school"
http://wavy.com/2016/06/14/portsmouth-7-year-old-faces-expulsion-for-bringing-toy-guns-to-school/


Autauga County, Alabama - April 2017

"Prattville High student gets one-year expulsion for water gun incident"
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/04/18/prattville-high-student-gets-one-year-expulsion-water-gun-incident/100577098/

"“F” Stands for Fail: School Jeopardizes Student’s Future for Possession of Squirt Gun"
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170421/f-stands-for-fail-school-jeopardizes-student-s-future-for-possession-of-squirt-gun


Trenton, Ohio – May 2017

“7th Grader “Likes” Toy Gun Photo on Instragram, Gets Suspended from School”
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170512/f-stands-for-fail-7th-grader-likes-toy-gun-photo-on-instragram-gets-suspended-from-school

“Middle school student suspended for 'liking' photo of gun on Instagram”
http://www.wbrc.com/story/35355907/middle-school-student-suspended-for-liking-photo-of-gun-on-instagram

“Instagram gun photo 'like' sparks alarm, suspensions at Butler County school”
http://www.wlwt.com/article/instagram-gun-photo-like-sparks-alarm-suspensions-at-butler-county-school/9612240



Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 13, 2014, 06:35:22 PM
This crap has gone to far ...its time for people like us to take it back  :dunno: Sure is not like back in High school when I would pull up with a deer flung over the hood  :yike:  I know now days some hunters would think that's unethical but where I grew up it was a common thing !!!
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on March 19, 2014, 11:49:01 AM

If you know people in Florida, encourage them to take action.   The NRA-ILA alert provides a very fast and easy copy and paste option to contact the Florida Representatives.

These bills must pass.

NRA-ILA ALERT

Florida Alert! Coming to the House Floor TOMORROW "Threat of Force" and "Pop Tart " Bills
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/3/alert!-coming-to-the-house-floor-tomorrow-threat-of-force-and-pop-tart-bills.aspx


"HB-89 by Representative Neil Combee is a bill to stop abusive prosecutors from using 10-20-LIFE to prosecute people who, in self-defense, threaten to use deadly force against an attacker as a means to stop an attack.

HB-7029 by the K-12 Education Committee and Representative Dennis Baxley is a bill to stop some of the unbelievable actions by school administrators against children who behave like children and point fingers at each other pretending to shoot guns etc."
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 19, 2014, 06:27:38 PM
Maybe it's time to send all these school people a picture of Piers Morgan!  :twocents:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 03, 2014, 09:09:22 AM

Added to examples list on page 2 of this thread.

Ohio - March 2014

"High school senior jailed, kicked out of school and may lose Army dream because of pocket knife in car"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/18/high-school-senior-jailed-kicked-out-school-and-may-lose-army-dream-because/
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 17, 2014, 09:39:15 AM


Excellent article:

Boy suspended for bringing own hand to school
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/opinion/cevallos-kid-points-finger-gun/

The ridiculous use, abuse, and irrational application of Zero Tolerance policies needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 21, 2014, 05:01:11 PM

Added to list as a related article

Ohio - 2014

Attorney: School's overreaction to pocket knife may destroy teen's future
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/04/16/attorney-schools-overreaction-to-pocket-knife-may-destroy-teens-future/




Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 21, 2014, 06:25:56 PM



Ordinary tools, such as pliers, screwdrivers and wrenches, are “weapons” and so a Chicago school was correct to punish a teacher who brought them to class for a visual aid, according to a new court decision.

The ruling from a federal court in Illinois technically dismissed a lawsuit brought on behalf of teacher Douglas Bartlett. He had been suspended without pay for four days “on the grounds that his use of the tools as visual aids endangered his students, despite the fact that all potentially hazardous items were kept out of the students’ reach.”

Where ELSE but Obamaville

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/ (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/)

Judge says ordinary tools actually are 'weapons'

Affirms punishment against teacher who brought wrenches for visual aid

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/#RQrsTHYLceC0tQPk.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/#RQrsTHYLceC0tQPk.99)

WND reported a year ago when the case was filed – and the school’s actions were called political correctness run amok.

At the time, John Whitehead, of the Rutherford Institute, which brought the case on behalf of Bartlett, said, “Education truly suffers when school administrators exhibit such poor judgment and common sense, especially when it comes to their zealous misapplication of misguided zero tolerance policies. However, what makes this case stand out from the rest is that this latest victim of zero tolerance policies run amok happens to be a veteran school teacher.”

Bartlett had 17 years of experience in the classroom. While teaching a second grade class, the curriculum required a “tool discussion.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/#RQrsTHYLceC0tQPk.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/#RQrsTHYLceC0tQPk.99)
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Pinetar on April 21, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
My 17yr old son has several shirts with NRA and guns on them. One is a Springfield Armory shirt with an AR15 on the back of it. I warned him that he might get in trouble and he said "well Grandpa told me that if I get kicked out of school for this shirt he will take me hunting until they let me back in school" lol

He wears at least two of them every week since school started and has never had a problem until about two weeks ago when a teacher finally told him to put a jacket over his Springfield Armory shirt. He laughed, walked away and said "this is my favorite shirt, call my Grandpa and tell him I can't wear it". He is still wearing the shirt to school and the teacher hasn't said a word since.

With the way things are today I am quite surprised he hasn't been kicked out but so far he has got away with it.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: TheHunt on April 21, 2014, 07:57:43 PM
After reading this...  I think there is an agenda being pushed.    :dunno:        Yikes
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 22, 2014, 11:32:38 AM
My 17yr old son has several shirts with NRA and guns on them. One is a Springfield Armory shirt with an AR15 on the back of it. I warned him that he might get in trouble and he said "well Grandpa told me that if I get kicked out of school for this shirt he will take me hunting until they let me back in school" lol

He wears at least two of them every week since school started and has never had a problem until about two weeks ago when a teacher finally told him to put a jacket over his Springfield Armory shirt. He laughed, walked away and said "this is my favorite shirt, call my Grandpa and tell him I can't wear it". He is still wearing the shirt to school and the teacher hasn't said a word since.

With the way things are today I am quite surprised he hasn't been kicked out but so far he has got away with it.

This is how it should be in a free country.  Too bad some kids in other schools are suspended for wearing NRA t-shirts, chewing a pop-tart into the shape of a gun, or pointing their finger and saying "pow" or "bang" to name a few incidents of Zero-Tolerance abuse.


After reading this...  I think there is an agenda being pushed.    :dunno:        Yikes

The point of this thread is to show people that there is an AGENDA BEING PUSHED.  It's an ANTI-GUN AGENDA.  Zero-Tolerance policies have obviously been misapplied and abused around the country in ways that support anti-gun agendas and ideologies.  In many cases, kids are being traumatized and their futures ruined because of irrational applications of Zero-Tolerance policies.  Some states are now proposing legislation to protect our kids from this extreme idiocy.  Read the examples of what has been happening around the country. 
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 24, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
Update added to list:

New York - 2014

"Victory: NY School Reverses Suspension for Student Wearing NRA Shirt"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/04/23/victory-ny-school-reverses-suspension-for-student-wearing-nra-shirt-n1828359
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Pinetar on April 24, 2014, 09:26:45 PM
Finally some common sense was used. Maybe their is some hope and in NY none the less.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 26, 2014, 03:50:34 PM

Here's another one for the list.

Los Angeles, CA – April 2014

“‘Punished for Teaching Science’: Popular Teacher Suspended for ‘Research and Development of Imitation Weapons’”
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/18/punished-teaching-science-popular-teacher-suspended-research-development-imitation-weapons/


Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: ohopluke on May 02, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
If you want people of any age to be responsible about guns, especially kids, you have to teach them about guns. The uses, the danger and how to behave with them. To most kids, and too many adults, guns are an unknown evil, not to be talked about, and if you bring them up, BAM, you're in trouble. Educate, educate, educate.

Zero tolerance has become a cop out for mediocre administrators in many fields. Take each case on it's merits and make a plan to deal with it. This stuff doesn't "fix" anything, just kicks it down the road.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: SCRUBS on May 02, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
The zero tolerance is teaching kids that guns are evil, and dangerous and they should be afraid of them. This is how they are going change the public's opinion on guns.

See what AG Holder says about it.
http://youtu.be/rY-HdiR5a0g (http://youtu.be/rY-HdiR5a0g) 

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on May 03, 2014, 09:31:29 PM
That's right!  It's the "Propaganda Ministry" at work ... traumatizing and brainwashing.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Crunchy on May 03, 2014, 09:52:47 PM
Not sure about evil but they are dangerous.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on May 24, 2014, 09:29:21 AM
Added to growing list of examples on page 2.

Widefield, Colorado – May 2014

Another example of traumatizing and indoctrinating children to support anti-gun agendas.
Hopefully our legislators are taking note of this obvious abuse of Zero Tolerance policies.

“Child Disciplined for Thinking about a Gun”
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2014/05/23/child-disciplined-for-thinking-about-a-gun/

Related article”
“Gun Picture Gets Boy In Trouble”
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Gun-Picture-Gets-Boy-in-Trouble-260059701.html
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on June 09, 2014, 10:03:06 AM
Added to list of examples on page 2:

New Kensington, Pennsylvania – June 2014

“New Ken first-grader suspended for having toy gun; expulsion possible”
http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourallekiskivalley/yourallekiskivalleymore/6233750-74/simak-son-district#axzz34A6nuhum


Related article:
“First grader turns himself in for having toy gun, faces expulsion”
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/06/09/first-grader-turns-himself-in-for-having-toy-gun-faces-expulsion/
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on August 20, 2014, 11:25:31 PM

Added to “Proposed Legislation” on page 1:

Related Link - update (6-20-14):
“Gov. Scott signs 'Pop-Tart' bill meant to curb student suspensions”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/school-zone/os-gov-scott-pop-tart-bill,0,1750345.post
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: washelkhunter on August 20, 2014, 11:46:18 PM
There is alot of that going around these days."
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on August 21, 2014, 02:37:30 AM
My boy goes to school next year and I am sure I will be in the principals office often.   :bash: :bash: My kids are both lifetime members of the NRA and both well versed in firearms and firearm safety.  With that being said....my boy is very vocal and very into guns...this will surely lead to problems in our public school system.  Maybe I will just break the ice on the first day and send him to school in his NRA shirt.   :chuckle:
:yeah:
NICE!
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on August 23, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
ws this in the list of links?
http://www.policestateusa.com/ (http://www.policestateusa.com/)
if not here yougo if so then appoligize for reposting it but!
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on August 24, 2014, 11:28:24 PM

Thanks for the link; it's yet another story of an absurd response to the word "gun" being written in an assignment.  Why were the police called?

Added to examples on page 2.

SUMMERVILLE, SC - August 2014

Police, lawyer release statements on student's alleged dinosaur killing
http://www.nbc12.com/story/26319685/cops-summerville-high-school-student-arrested-after-writing-threatening-message-on-assignment
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on September 03, 2014, 10:16:19 PM

Added to the list of examples on page 2.  Please note that there is also a long list of examples on page 1.

"Anti-gun Indoctrination" of our youth


Wisconsin - September 2014

"Could This Tiny Picture Get an 11-Year-Old Boy Expelled from School?"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/02/could-this-tiny-picture-get-an-11-year-old-boy-expelled-from-school/

"11-year-old to be expelled for bringing a virtual gun to a virtual school?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkux-jSvQn8





Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: timberfaller on September 04, 2014, 09:30:51 AM
Words of wisdom for you parents who have brought up you children to "think" for themselves.

YOU will be called into the office until you either leave or they send CPS on YOU.  THEY can't not "indoctrinate" those who can think on there feet!!  As a parent, YOU have committed a crime in their eyes.  You've taught your children and NOW they have to re-program them to fit the "norm".

 :sry: but the truth does hurt at times.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on September 05, 2014, 07:18:58 PM

Added to list on page 2.

Related article:

"Virtual School Practices Real Oppression, Bans Pixilated Firearms"
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/9/virtual-school-practices-real-oppression-bans-pixilated-firearms.aspx


Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Jingles on September 05, 2014, 08:12:18 PM
Seems this is most fitting to explain what is happening
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on September 06, 2014, 05:27:05 PM
Seems this is most fitting to explain what is happening

back when I was more active in trying to stop all this which I've seen coming since the 70's I've had people blatnetly tell me they don't want or need common sence so just a fyi as to what were facing!
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on September 07, 2014, 06:24:34 PM

NEVER GIVE UP!
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on September 24, 2014, 11:49:56 AM
"Reagan National Airport refuses to put up gun safety ad"
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26502053/reagan-national-airport-refuses-to-put-up-gun-safety-ad


Added to Examples on page 2:

Vernon, N.J. - April, 2014

Outrage of the Week: Zero-Tolerance Policies Now Exploited by Enterprising Bullies
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/4/outrage-of-the-week-zero-tolerance-policies-now-exploited-by-enterprising-bullies.aspx

Related Article:

Watch the video:
Ethan Chaplin, Student, Says He Was Suspended For Twirling Pencil
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/ethan-chaplin-student-suspended-twirling-pencil_n_5106069.html


 :twocents:

When will this overzealous, anti-gun stupidity and abuse STOP?

This is a national issue that requires national attention.

Zero Tolerance policies are out of control and they are obviously being abused to support the agendas of those with anti-gun sentiments.

Some states are taking steps by enacting legislation to protect our children from the irrational application and abuse of zero-tolerance policies by some anti-gun zealots that may unfortunately hold positions as teachers or administrators in our schools. 

If school policies, state or local laws, ordinances, or any rules and regulations "force" teachers and/or administrators to suspend, punish, publicly humiliate, indoctrinate, or otherwise intimidate and terrify children for:

1)   Brandishing a pastry or other food which is partially consumed in such a way that the remnant resembles a gun;
2)   Possession of a toy gun which is two inches or less;
3)   Possession of a toy gun made of plastic snap together building blocks;
4)   Using a finger or hand to simulate a gun;
5)   Vocalizing imaginary firearms or munitions;
6)   Wearing a T-shirt that supports Second Amendment rights;
7)   Drawing a picture of, or possessing an image of, a firearm; or
8.)   Using a pencil, pen or other writing utensil to simulate a firearm.

And now

9) Twirling a pencil with a pen cap on it that has the pocket clip bent outward,

then repeal and/or change those draconian rules and regulations that are being abused and misapplied.

Legislators and people with even the smallest amount of common sense must WAKE UP and put a STOP to this insane, irrational abuse.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on October 18, 2014, 03:05:38 PM

More indoctrination and traumatizing of our youth to brainwash them into believing guns are evil.

Added to Examples on page 2:

Mobile, Ala. – October, 2014

“Crayon "Gun" Subjects 5-year-old to Suicide/Homicide Screening and Non-Violence "Contract"”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/10/crayon-gun-subjects-5yearold-to-suicide-homicide-screening-and-nonviolence-contract.aspx


Related article:

“Mobile County kindergartner asked to sign 'safety contract' after drawing a picture of gun”
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/10/kindergartner_asked_to_sign_sa.html


Lewiston Maine – April, 2014

“Outrage of the Week: One Yellow Squirt Gun, Plus Zero Common Sense Enforcement, Equals 10-Day Suspension”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/4/outrage-of-the-week-one-yellow-squirt-gun-plus-zero-common-sense-enforcement-equals-10-day-suspension.aspx


Related article:

“School suspends 10th-grader for having bright yellow squirt gun”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/17/school-suspends-10th-grader-for-having-bright-yellow-squirt-gun/?advD=1248,142791
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: npaull on October 18, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
It really is out of control.

I have no problem with a school having a zero-tolerance gun policy. To me, that means you cannot bring guns to school. Fine.

But what is beyond belief is when they treat NOT GUNS (paper, toys, etc) as though they WERE guns. It's just totally nonsensical.

Guns ARE dangerous, and kids should be taught a healthy and safe respect for that, at least.

But NOT guns are NOT guns. How this gets lost on anyone is truly baffling.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: timberfaller on October 18, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
"How this gets lost on anyone is truly baffling."

Its very simple, just did it this week,  Do a internet search on "The Goal of Marxism" :yike: Read it  :yike:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on November 22, 2014, 05:00:45 PM

Hello out there.  Is anybody listening?  When will our state and national legislatures put a stop to this anti-gun, agenda-driven, child-damaging/indoctrinating insanity?

Added to Examples on page 2:

Milford, Mass. – November 2014

“School Suspends Fifth-Grader Armed with Finger, Childlike Imagination”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/11/school-suspends-fifth-grader-armed-with-finger-childlike-imagination.aspx


Related article:

“Milford School Committee responds to suspension of 5th-grader”
http://www.milforddailynews.com/article/20141120/NEWS/141129132
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on November 22, 2014, 05:44:31 PM
"How this gets lost on anyone is truly baffling."

Its very simple, just did it this week,  Do a internet search on "The Goal of Marxism" :yike: Read it  :yike:
DUH :chuckle:
People jsut don't know how far it is and already docternated here.
Or they do and go along with it because of some promise of a better tomorrow :yike:
wolf in sheeps clothing.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on January 08, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Added to list examples on page 2:

Warner Robins, Georgia - August 2014

Child suspended for bringing NERF gun to school
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/2014/08/06/nerf-gun-child-suspended-georgia/13702993/ (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/2014/08/06/nerf-gun-child-suspended-georgia/13702993/)


Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on January 08, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/03/school-zero-tolerance-policies_n_4538420.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/03/school-zero-tolerance-policies_n_4538420.html)

Zero-tolerance policies in schools may have zero point.

That's the conclusion of a recent report from the Vera Institute of Justice, a nonprofit center that studies justice policy. The report, titled, “A Generation Later: What We’ve Learned about Zero Tolerance in Schools,” looks at existing research to determine whether the get-tough policies for minor offenses are an effective way to keep schools safe.

The report finds that zero-tolerance policies, which the organization defines as “discipline policies that mandate suspension or expulsion of students for misconduct,” do not accomplish the intended goal of making schools safer, and may make schools more unsafe. The report recommends that schools begin moving away from these policies, which took root during the war on drugs in the 1990s and were broadened after school mass murders, including Columbine High School.




 
“The research findings and other data on zero tolerance suggest that these policies -– which have been in force for 25 years -– have no real benefit and significant adverse effects,” reads the report. “There’s growing consensus that the most effective schools reinforce positive behavior and respond to behavioral problems on a case-by-case basis.”

The idea behind zero-tolerance policies is to remove disruptive students from classrooms in order to make schools safer, but research shows no correlation between expulsions and safety, the report says. While zero-tolerance policies originally were intended to protect against extreme situations, like when students bring weapons to school, the policies in practice often punish students for significantly lesser offenses.

One area where zero-tolerance policies do succeed is in disproportionately affecting minority students, according to the report. The author of a previous study on zero tolerance told Education Week in 2011 that this may be due to “unconscious bias.”

“Why else would we see, for the same first-time offense, blacks receiving harsh punishments far more often than whites?” that study's author, Daniel Losen, asked.

The latest report concludes that many school districts are shifting away from zero tolerance. Earlier this school year, Broward County School District in Florida gained national attention after dropping zero-tolerance policies, even for lawbreaking students. Instead, administrators will keep troubled students in school and offer them counseling.

“Everybody recognizes right now that if we want to really find ways to close the achievement gap, we are really going to need to look at the huge number of kids being removed from school campuses who are not receiving any classroom time,” Michael Thompson, the director of the Council of State Governments Justice Center, told The New York Times, referring to Broward’s new approach.







Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on March 10, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
Added to examples on page 2:

Colorado Springs, Colorado – March 2015

“6-Year-Old Suspended For Pointing Fingers In The Shape Of A Gun”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/06/6-year-old-fingers-shape-of-gun-suspended_n_6813864.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/06/6-year-old-fingers-shape-of-gun-suspended_n_6813864.html)



Here's another 2013 article that is a reminder of how “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control:

"6 School Suspensions Over Obviously Fake Guns"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/6-school-suspensions_n_4136563.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/6-school-suspensions_n_4136563.html)
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on March 15, 2015, 10:27:20 AM

"Common Ground at Last? Finger-gun Wielding Obama Provides Lesson for America's Schools"
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150314/common-ground-at-last-finger-gun-wielding-obama-provides-lesson-for-americas-schools (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150314/common-ground-at-last-finger-gun-wielding-obama-provides-lesson-for-americas-schools)

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: bigfoot13 on March 19, 2015, 06:15:17 PM
I am a young teenager, I am home schooled, I love fishing, I shot my first deer with my Dad when I was 7 years old, I enjoy guns, and I really want to start bow hunting. And nothing drives me up walls more than this. :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Jingles on March 19, 2015, 06:40:22 PM
The indoctrination of our kids in the Public school system is the reason my son has pulled all 5 of his out of the PS.  Also from what I understand of last nights school board meeting the Methow Public school system might be having a whole lot fewer kids here shortly even from what was attending as little as a Month ago
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: 300rum on March 19, 2015, 08:00:04 PM
It is hard for me to imagine that people still send their kids to public schools in the first place. 
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: bigfoot13 on March 20, 2015, 09:47:52 AM
"And nothing drives me up walls more than this."

Well not this specifically, but all the political nonsense. I do believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the American colony broke away from Britain because of stupid laws like this. Like the one kid that went to jail when he told the teacher he would not change his shirt. What he did was perfectly legal and the right thing to do, but I think (I don't know, I'm not an expert) that they had no right what so ever to take him to jail, making what they did completely unlawful. Just like in many countries back then (1700s I think) where you could get thrown in jail just for saying something against the king or even remotely close, and it might not be that bad yet, but I'll bet it could get there, but I hope not.

Here is the link to the incident referred to above.

Jared Marcum: Eighth Grader Jailed For Wearing NRA T-Shirt to School
http://www.policymic.com/articles/37057/jared-marcum-eighth-grader-jailed-for-wearing-nra-t-shirt-to-school (http://www.policymic.com/articles/37057/jared-marcum-eighth-grader-jailed-for-wearing-nra-t-shirt-to-school)
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntnphool on March 20, 2015, 10:05:36 AM
It is hard for me to imagine that people still send their kids to public schools in the first place.

 Why not? Shouldn't our youth be well rounded and get views from both sides? Knowledge is king, and the more education they get, the better informed they will be when critically thinking.

 My daughter goes to a public high school in Tacoma. She told me yesterday in one of her classes they were discussing famous people that had visited the school recently, the teacher told them Jay Inslee had been there last week. My daughter said she was one of three kids in the class who knew who he was.

 Now, this may or may not surprise you. :dunno: My point is, the rest of the class has not been taught who he is, (your point exactly), but my daughter did because education in my family doesn't begin and end in the school. It's up to us as parents to educate them as much as the schools do. If your kids are not learning then it's as much your fault as the schools. Myself, I want my kids learning what is being taught by liberals, it gives them a better understanding of how they think.

 Keep your friends close.......right?

 There is no better way for my kids to understand exactly what I'm talking about than to go see it in action, live, everyday at school. ;)
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: lokidog on March 20, 2015, 10:11:12 AM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: floatinghat on March 20, 2015, 12:01:46 PM
It is hard for me to imagine that people still send their kids to public schools in the first place.


What's so hard?

My kids go to what are ranked as a couple of the "top" public HS in the state.  We feel they are getting a good education that meets their needs.  While they could be classified as more liberal than Dryside schools we moved to this community due to the schools, not the politics of the community.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 19, 2015, 01:37:50 PM


"South Carolina Kids May Get Mandatory Gun Education
A GOP legislator hopes to foist NRA-approved lessons on squeamish educators."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/13/south-carolina-kids-may-get-mandatory-gun-education

 :twocents:
We need more of this since the application and abuse of zero tolerance policies are obviously out of control.  How about some mandatory Second Amendment education in our schools and for the anti-gun legislators in Washington State and in Washington D.C.?  All people, including anti-gun legislators, need to know that if one Amendment in our Bill of rights is trashed, then all of them are meaningless; our rights and freedoms, won through great sacrifice, will be nothing but memories.  If our rights and freedoms eventually disappear due to the incessant whittling away by "Liberal Progressives", maybe even they will regret their impassioned desire to "progress" away from the Constitution and Bill of Rights.  However, if that happens, it will be too late for all of us.

Regardless of your political affiliation, please work very hard to ensure only legislators and other elected officials (i.e. Governor, etc.) that will support and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights will be elected and/or remain in office.  All others should not be in any position of power to control or regulate our lives.  Get involved, VOTE, contribute your time, contribute financially; individuals DO make a difference.  Our future depends on all freedom loving Americans to become engaged in the political process; sitting on the sidelines will only ensure more of our rights and freedoms will gradually disappear.
 :twocents:



Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on May 23, 2015, 07:02:10 PM

Added to Examples on page 2:

Atlantic City, N.J. - May 2015

Mother Says Son Suspended Over Nerf Bullet In New Jersey
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/05/14/mother-says-son-suspended-over-toy-bullet/

Related Article:

Finger-gun Slinger in Chief Rides Again, Conveys Hopeful Message to America's Kids
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150522/finger-gun-slinger-in-chief-rides-again-conveys-hopeful-message-to-americas-kids

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Little Dave on June 09, 2015, 12:34:38 AM
If you teach a kid how to handle a gun safely and let him refine his marksmanship, he'll share what he's learned with other kids.  They want to know, it is as simple as that.  I have three kids in public school, so I'm doing my part to counter the tide of misinformation.

Kids are not craving irrational paranoia.  That happens much later in life.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: lokidog on June 10, 2015, 08:56:44 AM
If you teach a kid how to handle a gun safely and let him refine his marksmanship, he'll share what he's learned with other kids.  They want to know, it is as simple as that.  I have three kids in public school, so I'm doing my part to counter the tide of misinformation.

Kids are not craving irrational paranoia.  That happens much later in life.

 :tup:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: SeaRun1 on June 10, 2015, 09:43:28 AM
It is hard for me to imagine that people still send their kids to public schools in the first place.

 Why not? Shouldn't our youth be well rounded and get views from both sides? Knowledge is king, and the more education they get, the better informed they will be when critically thinking.

 My daughter goes to a public high school in Tacoma. She told me yesterday in one of her classes they were discussing famous people that had visited the school recently, the teacher told them Jay Inslee had been there last week. My daughter said she was one of three kids in the class who knew who he was.

 Now, this may or may not surprise you. :dunno: My point is, the rest of the class has not been taught who he is, (your point exactly), but my daughter did because education in my family doesn't begin and end in the school. It's up to us as parents to educate them as much as the schools do. If your kids are not learning then it's as much your fault as the schools. Myself, I want my kids learning what is being taught by liberals, it gives them a better understanding of how they think.

 Keep your friends close.......right?

 There is no better way for my kids to understand exactly what I'm talking about than to go see it in action, live, everyday at school. ;)

I couldn't agree more.  I think a lot of the complaining about the school system that is endemic on this board comes from guys that didn't do well in school or were problems.  They carry the grudge into their "adult" lives and spread their gospel of how it is onto their offspring. 


SR1
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Mongo Hunter on June 10, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
I haven't been out of the public school system that long (graduated on 04). I remember my friends and I getting harassed about our wallet chains on almost a daily basis claiming they were classified as weapons. I asked to see this list of weapons that they kept referring to, when its was given to me all it said was "no weapons on school grounds", yeah it was that general. at which point I pulled a #2 pencil and a pair of scissors out of my pocket and said "there take these too then, they are dangerous weapons".

Needless to say we went around and around for a few weeks and finally they lost interest. but its been getting out of hand long before that.

P.S. I also had a teacher try and send me home for wearing a Hooters shirt...they didn't win that one either  :chuckle:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on June 12, 2015, 11:13:03 AM
Just to maintain the focus of this thread; it isn't about our schools it's about abuse of zero tolerance policies regarding guns, perceived weapons, perceived threats, etc. in schools around the country. 

Children may fall victim to this type of “Zero Tolerance” abuse if they do something that falls into one of these categories (to name a few):

1)   Brandishing a pastry or other food which is partially consumed in such a way that the remnant resembles a gun;
2)   Possession of a toy gun which is two inches or less;
3)   Possession of a toy gun made of plastic snap together building blocks;
4)   Using a finger or hand to simulate a gun;
5)   Vocalizing imaginary firearms or munitions;
6)   Wearing a T-shirt that supports Second Amendment rights;
7)   Drawing a picture of, or possessing an image of, a firearm; or
8.)   Using a pencil, pen or other writing utensil to simulate a firearm.
9) Possessing a piece of paper cut or torn into a shape that may resemble a gun.
10) Possessing a Nerf dart.

Go back to the Examples of “Zero Tolerance” policies out of control on pages 1 and 2 in this thread to get a reminder of how out of control this abuse has become.  Click on the links and read the stories to understand how children subjected to this idiocy are being indoctrinated, intimidated, and traumatized.

This thread was started to make people aware that this abuse of zero tolerance policies is happening in many schools around the country.  The point is, don't think it can't happen in the schools your children are attending.  Some states have introduced legislation to stop this abuse.

This video is a good example:

Philadelphia, PA - January 2013

Mom Says School Went Too Far Punishing Child For 'Paper Gun'
Watch the video.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20653505/mom-says-south-philly-school-went-too-far-punishing-child-for-paper-airplane
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on October 01, 2015, 12:33:36 PM

Old school: Districts rediscover teacher discretion, drop ‘zero tolerance’ policies

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/25/old-school-districts-rediscover-teacher-discretion-drop-zero-tolerance-policies/

Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: WAnoob on October 01, 2015, 12:52:35 PM
I haven't been out of the public school system that long (graduated on 04). I remember my friends and I getting harassed about our wallet chains on almost a daily basis claiming they were classified as weapons. I asked to see this list of weapons that they kept referring to, when its was given to me all it said was "no weapons on school grounds", yeah it was that general. at which point I pulled a #2 pencil and a pair of scissors out of my pocket and said "there take these too then, they are dangerous weapons".

Needless to say we went around and around for a few weeks and finally they lost interest. but its been getting out of hand long before that.

P.S. I also had a teacher try and send me home for wearing a Hooters shirt...they didn't win that one either  :chuckle:

 :yeah:

Exactly my thoughts, I graduated from high school in 06 and had the exact same problems for wearing a Guinness shirt, not big on the beer but it was a free t-shirt I won at a poker game :dunno:.  My dad told me stories of him and his friends bringing their .22 rifles to show and tell when they were younger and having their hunting rifles in the trucks for after school got out they would go deer hunting.  I would hate to see what would happen nowadays. :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: cookingdaily on October 01, 2015, 11:28:20 PM
My son informed me that if they see a confederate flag anywhere the student will be expelled what crap
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on October 02, 2015, 12:01:21 AM
It is hard for me to imagine that people still send their kids to public schools in the first place.


What's so hard?

My kids go to what are ranked as a couple of the "top" public HS in the state.  We feel they are getting a good education that meets their needs.  While they could be classified as more liberal than Dryside schools we moved to this community due to the schools, not the politics of the community.

Check out the results of the kids test scores at the top private rated HS's in the state vs. the top public ones. You might be surprised how far below the top public ones are.....

Private schools can pick who they accept to school. It's not necessarily the teaching that is better, but the students come from better circumstances.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: 300rum on October 02, 2015, 06:38:38 AM
 :tup:

I would sell my home and properties and possessions if it came to that to pay for private school.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on October 12, 2015, 05:42:13 AM

Added to examples on Page 2:


Dallas Texas - September 2015

Texas high school student suspended over American flag T-shirt
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/20/texas-high-school-student-suspended-over-american-flag-t-shirt/


Gresham, OR - October 2015

Gresham eighth grader suspended for refusing to remove fallen soldier t-shirt
http://www.kptv.com/story/30225044/gresham-eighth-grader-suspended-for-an-image-on-his-t-shirt

Oregon middle school student suspended for wearing fallen soldier shirt showing gun
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-8th-grader-suspended-wearing-fallen-soldier-shirt-article-1.2392168

Principal sends student home for patriotic shirt with gun
http://koin.com/2015/10/08/8th-grader-sent-home-for-patriotic-shirt-with-gun/
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on May 28, 2016, 01:21:32 PM
The absurdity continues:

Added to examples on page 2:

Brighton, Colorado - May 2016

Kindergartner Suspended for Princess Bubble Gun
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160527/outrage-of-the-week-kindergartner-suspended-for-princess-bubble-gun

Kindergartner Suspended For Bringing Bubble Gun To Class
http://5newsonline.com/2016/05/18/kindergartner-suspended-for-bringing-bubble-gun-to-class/


Washington needs a "Right to be a Kid" bill (a.k.a. Pop Tart bill) like they have in Florida (http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=_h7029__.docx&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=7029&Session=2014).  This is to send a loud and clear message that the absurd and overzealous actions by some school teachers and administrators will not be supported legally, nor will such unwarranted actions be tolerated by normal and reasonable people.  This should not be viewed as a solution looking for a problem; the problem clearly exists.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: Wenatcheejay on May 28, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
There are so many cases. School employees have broad discretion in what is harassment. Even consenting platonic contact can be a violation of school Zero PDA codes.

http://ncac.org/resource/ncac-analysis-the-first-amendment-and-school-policies-on-harassment-and-bullying

If someone feels 1st Amendment Rights or any rights are violated, I say take the school employees to task. My daughter was publicly reprimanded for saying when she grows up she wants to be a Constitutional Lawyer and work for the NRA in grade school.

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Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on May 28, 2016, 02:53:06 PM
 :twocents:

Contact FOX News and the NRA; these abuses need to be exposed.  There is no excuse or justification for traumatizing and indoctrinating our youth like this.  Perhaps those that do these things to our kids to impose their personal ideologies should be sued, reprimanded, receive disciplinary action, be removed from their position of power, and be forced to issue a public apology.

We need legislation to prevent these abuses, and to provide strong legal remedies when our kids are abused by such idiocy.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on May 28, 2016, 08:36:36 PM
Bubble gun run!!!!!!!!!!! :chuckle:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on September 30, 2016, 03:23:23 PM
Added to examples on page 2:

Manville, NJ - September 2016

Anti-gun-control video project gets H.S. student suspended
http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2016/09/high_school_student_reportedly_suspended_for_anti-.html

Reports: N.J. School Officials Suspend Student Over Pro-Gun Presentation
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160930/reports-nj-school-officials-suspend-student-over-pro-gun-presentation
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on April 22, 2017, 11:23:03 AM
The anti-gun indoctrination of our youth continues:


Portsmouth, Va. - June 2016

"Portsmouth 7-year-old faces expulsion for bringing toy guns to school"
http://wavy.com/2016/06/14/portsmouth-7-year-old-faces-expulsion-for-bringing-toy-guns-to-school/


Autauga County, Alabama - April 2017

"Prattville High student gets one-year expulsion for water gun incident"
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/04/18/prattville-high-student-gets-one-year-expulsion-water-gun-incident/100577098/

"“F” Stands for Fail: School Jeopardizes Student’s Future for Possession of Squirt Gun"
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170421/f-stands-for-fail-school-jeopardizes-student-s-future-for-possession-of-squirt-gun


Added to the growing list of examples on page 2 of this topic.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147689.25.html


Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: csaaphill on April 26, 2017, 10:24:53 PM
 :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: cooltimber on April 27, 2017, 12:50:51 AM
 :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: bishop311 on April 27, 2017, 09:36:18 AM
Some of the stories in this thread make me want to punch someone in the face with a brick!!

Full disclosure time:  I'm not a Republican, or a Democrat, or a Liberal or a Libertarian or an Anarchist.  I'm a cut-clean-to-the-bone Socialist, big time, 100%.  That's just me.  That's who I am.  But even I in my absolute ultra-far to the Left Socialist mindset can see that this zero-tolerance bull%&$t is one of THE DUMBEST trends right now facing our youth in our schools.  It throws logic and common sense right out the window and victimizes innocent kids and young adults.  It's got to go!  Further, Gun Laws should be and must be regulated at the State level, NOT at the Federal Government level, and if that happens and some super blue state (*cough* California) passes laws to strip people of their gun rights, then the solution is simple: MOVE OUT OF THAT STATE.  The further away from The People that laws and enforcement moves, e.g. all the way up to the Federal Government, the further away from reality and what life is for a normal, every day citizen it becomes.

/rant over.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: huntrights on May 13, 2017, 12:52:21 PM

Trenton, Ohio – May 2017

“7th Grader “Likes” Toy Gun Photo on Instragram, Gets Suspended from School”
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170512/f-stands-for-fail-7th-grader-likes-toy-gun-photo-on-instragram-gets-suspended-from-school

“Middle school student suspended for 'liking' photo of gun on Instagram”
http://www.wbrc.com/story/35355907/middle-school-student-suspended-for-liking-photo-of-gun-on-instagram

“Instagram gun photo 'like' sparks alarm, suspensions at Butler County school”
http://www.wlwt.com/article/instagram-gun-photo-like-sparks-alarm-suspensions-at-butler-county-school/9612240


Added to the growing list of examples on page 2 of this topic.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147689.25.html
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: northwesthunter84 on May 13, 2017, 02:08:14 PM
Still can't understand when this became a school officials job.  Do we actually pay these people to stalk kids lives in and outside of school. When did school officials become the parents.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: jordanramos_79 on May 25, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
Today, my 12 year old son was told to turn his Guns and Roses shirt inside out because it was inappropriate for school. This was at Naches Valley Middle School. I will be contacting the school tomorrow to see what reason they give because there is nothing in the dress code that would exclude this shirt.
Title: Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
Post by: bb76 on June 01, 2017, 08:00:15 PM
Zero Tolerance rules are just as stupid as mandatory minimums.  The rules never take into account the circumstances.

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