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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: khunter#1 on February 21, 2014, 11:42:27 AM

Title: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 21, 2014, 11:42:27 AM: I'm looking to make my old shotgun look perdy again. But I am curious which one of these I should go with, what are the differences between Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing? Thanks, Kyle
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Bmcox86 on February 21, 2014, 03:52:30 PM: I got my old over under cerakoted this year and it looks awesome. I went with midnight blue and gorge custom coatings did a great job, ended up being about 100 bucks including shipping both ways
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 21, 2014, 08:19:50 PM: I've heard cerakote is a paint, is that true? Is it more durable than bluing? Anyone know what parkerizing is?. Thanks for reply, Kyle
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: HawkCreek on February 22, 2014, 07:21:59 AM: Parkerizing is a finish applied through an acid bath. The military uses it on its guns (can't be applied to aluminum so not AR's, think WWII guns).

Cerakote is a baked on ceramic coating. It's been proven to be very tough.

Bluing is a generic term for several processes but basically they all leave a thin coat of oxide on the steel. It's not very rust resistant compared to the other two because it is a form of rust.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Alan K on February 22, 2014, 07:49:23 AM: I've been contemplating sending my .300 RUM to these guys.

http://blacknitride.com/ (http://blacknitride.com/)
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Bmcox86 on February 22, 2014, 08:19:58 AM: Cereakote is way more durable than bluing from my experience
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: buckfvr on February 22, 2014, 08:35:56 AM: So is cerakote impervious to moisture, as in is there any possibility of moisture getting under the coating and rusting from between the barrel and the coating ??
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 22, 2014, 08:55:45 AM: Cerakote it and be done with it.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: brokenvet on February 22, 2014, 11:07:21 AM: Quote from: HawkCreek on February 22, 2014, 07:21:59 AM
Parkerizing is a finish applied through an acid bath. The military uses it on its guns (can't be applied to aluminum so not AR's, think WWII guns).

Cerakote is a baked on ceramic coating. It's been proven to be very tough.

Bluing is a generic term for several processes but basically they all leave a thin coat of oxide on the steel. It's not very rust resistant compared to the other two because it is a form of rust.

Parkerizing also can not be applied to Stainless steel. On M1's & M14's the Gas cyl are stainless
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: rumrunner on February 22, 2014, 01:28:54 PM: I agree cerakote is more durable check out GH Coatings
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 22, 2014, 02:45:31 PM: Anyone ever used these guys? http://www.northwestgunrefinishing.com/index.php (http://www.northwestgunrefinishing.com/index.php)
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Bmcox86 on February 22, 2014, 03:41:37 PM: I do not thing water can get under cerakote. Check out gorge custom coatings, they are a sight sponsor and did a great job on my gun.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 22, 2014, 09:46:26 PM: Quote from: Bmcox86 on February 22, 2014, 03:41:37 PM
I do not thing water can get under cerakote. Check out gorge custom coatings, they are a sight sponsor and did a great job on my gun.
How much did they charge?
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Jolten on February 22, 2014, 09:52:58 PM: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkerizing (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkerizing)
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2014, 10:38:16 PM: Quote from: Bmcox86 on February 21, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
I got my old over under cerakoted this year and it looks awesome. I went with midnight blue and gorge custom coatings did a great job, ended up being about 100 bucks including shipping both ways
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 22, 2014, 11:37:18 PM: Gorge Custom Coatings is the way to go. It is my cousin's business. I just got another rifle back from them and it's amazing! Melisa who is doing the coating is one of the most artistic people I know and she can do about anything you can dream up. They have good prices and quick turn around compared to a lot of the bigger shops. You will be happy if you use them.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 12:26:38 AM: Thanks for all the replies will definitely use them! :)
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 12:33:17 AM: Anyone have contact information for them? If so that would be great!!
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2014, 12:35:23 AM: http://www.gorgecustomcoatings.com/contact.html (http://www.gorgecustomcoatings.com/contact.html)

One of my rifles is the first on the gallery page.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 12:45:09 AM: So does cerakote look the closest to a blued gun? Or does parkerizing?
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2014, 12:50:32 AM: Cerakote is more of a textured finish.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 12:51:14 AM: What do you mean if you don't mind me asking :dunno:
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2014, 01:05:54 AM: Blued is just steel that has been colored. Why the cerakote is a finish added on top of the steel.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 01:17:01 AM: It would seem it would chip easily, rubbing against a tree or something out in the woods, No?
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2014, 01:24:35 AM: It's a pretty tuff finish. I will be putting them to work this year.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 23, 2014, 01:26:02 AM: Cerakote is tough stuff! As soon as I get caught up on some bolt rifle projects , I'm going to have Gorge Custom do some AR stuff for me in Titanium and Burnt Bronze Cerakote. Actually a mix 60% Burnt Bronze & 40% Black. They said they could swing it, no problem.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 01:26:17 AM: Sorry to ask all these questions, just trying to gather as much information as possible before I go and spend lots of money.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2014, 01:29:00 AM: No worries :tup:
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: Bmcox86 on February 23, 2014, 09:03:14 AM: I went with midnight blue and it almost looks like bluing, I put it through its paces this year and it still looks brand new.
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 23, 2014, 09:18:20 AM: Quote from: khunter#1 on February 23, 2014, 12:45:09 AM
So does cerakote look the closest to a blued gun? Or does parkerizing?

Parkerizing is a milspec coating that is applied to ferrous steel. It does not look like bluing, it's more like a rough grey or black depending on whether it's Zinc or Mag phosphate.

Cerakote a has a midnight blue that is very dark and glossy and looks a lot like traditional blueing.

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: rumrunner on February 23, 2014, 05:24:25 PM: http://www.ghcoatings.com/ (http://www.ghcoatings.com/)
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2014, 07:14:39 PM: Quote from: rumrunner on February 23, 2014, 05:24:25 PM
http://www.ghcoatings.com/ (http://www.ghcoatings.com/)

:yike: Man those prices are as high as I have ever seen. My cousins shop will do a whole rifle and stock 1 color for 175.00 where that place wants 400! GCC is accredited and site sponsors :tup:
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: jkononen on February 23, 2014, 07:28:09 PM: Is that where benchmark sends there barrels to get cerakoted? Gorge?
Title: Re: Bluing, Cerakote, and Parkerizing?
Post by: khunter#1 on February 24, 2014, 01:17:25 AM: I will definitely be using custom coatings, Thanks for all the replies!