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Title: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: robertsjd on February 23, 2014, 05:46:34 PM
hey guys so last season '2013' I shot a deer at 460 yards with my 7mm rem mag with a 150 grain federal nosler balastic tips... prior in 2013 I shot a bear at 420 yards and dropped him with a shot through the shoulder and exiting through the neck he didn't move . but on the deer however he ran about 400 yards and died . but I was not able to find him until 12 hours later on the next day ... shot him at 6:00pm and recoverd him the next morning and he was eaten by one of the FEW  :chuckle: methow valley cougars  :yike:...so my question is should I try something else ? I feel like these balastic tips are just punching through animals and not doing tons of damage? I shot 3 bears and 3 deer with the same exact bullet in the past 3 years and all of them have just passed straight through the animal leaving no severe wounds ... just nice placed shots besides this deer in 2013 ... I made a good shot on him he fell hard really hard rolled 2 times down hill tried getting up chin on ground front legs under belly kicking finally got his feet under him and made it into heavy timber cover and laid and died .. I just wasn't impressed with these balastics tips ??? any suggestions ?? yayayay I know shot placement shot placement shot placement I know but wouldn't hurt to have some help from a bullet ;p thanks for any input guys appreciate it few pics of 2013 bear straight pass through
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: deaner on February 23, 2014, 05:53:02 PM
hornady sst bullets do some serious damage.   see if you can get them to shoot from your gun maybe
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: arrowflinger on February 23, 2014, 05:58:26 PM
I have heard the Ballistic Tips will exploded. I shot a deer at 420 and there was shrapnel all thru the body cavity. It was a 120gr out of a .264 Win Mag. I'm reloading for my 7mm Rem Mag and using 140gr ttsx bullets. just my  :twocents:
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: bobcat on February 23, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
I doubt you'll find a bullet that will expand better than a 150 grain Ballistic Tip out of a 7 mag. I sure wouldn't think there's any way that bullet at that speed would pass through without doing any damage. For longer range shooting I might suggest a heavier bullet because it will have a higher ballistic coefficient, so wind will have less affect. You could also go with a bonded bullet that will retain more weight. The 160 grain Nosler Accubond would be my first choice.
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: Bob33 on February 23, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
I'm not a fan of ballistic tip bullets. They are designed to shed half of their weight, creating secondary projectiles within the animal. If the remaining half of the bullet hits something solid it may fail to penetrate or veer off course.

That said, drawing conclusions about any bullet based on one incident is a fool's mission.

Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 23, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Hornady sst. :tup:
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: buckfvr on February 23, 2014, 06:49:01 PM
Take the time to read this...........
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7mm+Remington+Magnum.html (http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7mm+Remington+Magnum.html)
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: robertsjd on February 23, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
Thanks everyone I might just try some sst in 2014 :))
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: deaner on February 23, 2014, 07:48:51 PM
Finding the perfect bullet when you are regularly shooting almost 500 yards is a tough find.  There are a lot more variables when that bullet starts to drop below 2,000 fps.  One of the better 7mm shooters I hunt with shoots SST's with great success and performance at that distance.  My 7RM guns hate it!  Not sure exactly why :dunno:  If I were to shoot at animals at that distance regularly I might have to start looking at the new AccuBond LR.  Gives you some low and high velocity security most of the others do not.  And my gun likes it!  Though I don't expect I'll be doing much 500 yard shooting at big game animals.

looks like this guys shooting tends to put him in the 400-500 yard range, which is where the sst shines, as far as what ive heard and read.  sounds like it doesnt really perform the way its supposed to until about 300 yards or so.  but i will tell you, i shot my whitetail with a 300wm 180gr sst at just a hair over 100 yards this last november, and it put about a golf ball sized gaping hole in the far side of that deers chest.  pretty impressive for not having reached the proper range / velocity for its peak performance.  that buck sure couldnt tell the difference!
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: Greenhorn on February 23, 2014, 07:57:57 PM
I use Berger 180gr vld for my 7mm's.  In the last two years I have shot 2 deer and one Elk without any problems of them not expanding.   I do not have much to compare them to though since that is what I mainly hunt with.

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Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: robertsjd on February 23, 2014, 08:10:05 PM
wow awesome feedback thank you everyone looks like I have some $$$ to spend at the range this year im going to give some 162gr sst maybe some Amax's aswell a shot this year
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: buckfvr on February 23, 2014, 08:18:20 PM
All thats left to do is find some...................... :chuckle:
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: robertsjd on February 23, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
hahaha so true
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: jamesjett on February 23, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
I've shot 7mm for 20 years now. I switched to 150gr TTSX several years ago from Nosler.  I still think Nosler makes a fantastic product but I have had better results with Barnes. I load it with IMR4831.  Dropped all three deer in their tracks with one shot since switching with similar bullet placement. Everyone has their fav's. Mix it up and you will find yours...
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: huntnphool on February 23, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
The 7mm has been my go to caliber for years and I've been fortunate enough to take my share of game with it. I have never needed to hit any of my trophy's with more than one shot using Nosler Partitions, and that includes last years mule deer at 485 yards. :twocents:
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: Taco280AI on February 24, 2014, 06:57:03 AM
Never heard of a BT not expanding enough on game, usually the opposite  :dunno:
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: C-Money on February 24, 2014, 07:07:03 AM
Try the Nosler Accubond, 140 or 160 gr, problem solved.
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: Mongo Hunter on February 24, 2014, 09:51:27 AM
hey guys so last season '2013' I shot a deer at 460 yards with my 7mm rem mag with a 150 grain federal nosler balastic tips... prior in 2013 I shot a bear at 420 yards and dropped him with a shot through the shoulder and exiting through the neck he didn't move . but on the deer however he ran about 400 yards and died . but I was not able to find him until 12 hours later on the next day ... shot him at 6:00pm and recoverd him the next morning and he was eaten by one of the FEW  :chuckle: methow valley cougars  :yike:...so my question is should I try something else ? I feel like these balastic tips are just punching through animals and not doing tons of damage? I shot 3 bears and 3 deer with the same exact bullet in the past 3 years and all of them have just passed straight through the animal leaving no severe wounds ... just nice placed shots besides this deer in 2013 ... I made a good shot on him he fell hard really hard rolled 2 times down hill tried getting up chin on ground front legs under belly kicking finally got his feet under him and made it into heavy timber cover and laid and died .. I just wasn't impressed with these balastics tips ??? any suggestions ?? yayayay I know shot placement shot placement shot placement I know but wouldn't hurt to have some help from a bullet ;p thanks for any input guys appreciate it few pics of 2013 bear straight pass through

The only thing I can guess is that you lost too much velocity and the bullets are not expanding properly if at all and possibly acting like a solid and just passing through. especially on a thinner hide like a deer. Like I said this is a TOTAL GUESS. I use 150g Nosler BT in my 7mm loaded to about 3100fps, and I shot 2 deer at about 100 yards. both had about 1 good "hop" in them and they fell about 10 yards away from where I shot them. maybe try the heavier bullets or the sst's.

EDIT: so I just went to Noslers web sight. the recommended performance range for the BT is a Max of: 3200fps and a Min of: 1800fps. Assuming your bullet is going 3000fps at the muzzle at 460 yards its going about 2159fps. that's getting really close to the minimum. like I said though Im just gussing, it could have just been a lucky shot on the bear (hit a bone and the bullet fragmented and hit something important or tumbled) and un unlucky one on the deer. sometimes when your hunting, S Happens...
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: robertsjd on February 24, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
These have been nothing but deadly the last 3 years but 2013 had me pushing some distance and they wernt executing to my likings . 100-200 yards they dropped deer and bear in there tracks . But 2013 they just wernt up to par at long distances thanks everyone for the feedback very much appreciated !!
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: tonymiller7 on February 24, 2014, 10:59:23 AM
I shot 160 Partitions and then switched to Accubonds.  Never had an animal move more than a few feet.  I've had ballistic tips break apart on impact on a couple of animals and will never go back to them.  I do use ballistic tips to sight my rifles in as they have the same ballistic coefficient and profile as the Accubonds.  I also use the ballistic tips if I go coyote hunting.
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: boomstick on February 24, 2014, 06:57:56 PM
I had some 30 cal years back that would only mushroom on one side.  Could be a bad lot of bullets, most ballistic tips I know of usually come apart.
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: huntnnw on February 24, 2014, 10:40:25 PM
Accubonds have been devastating on game and shoot extremely well
Title: Re: bullet questions 7mm rem mag
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 25, 2014, 06:36:20 AM
When I shot 7mag I always shot Barnes TSX out of it and I dropped about 6 elk with it within 15 yards of impact.  I still use the TTSX in my 325 wsm for elk but have been using the Ballistic tips out of my 270 for deer for awhile and I have dropped 4 deer with it, not one of them moved from where they were shot at. Closest was 25 yards and farthest was 420yards.  I honestly don't think bullet choice is that big of a deal, even if the shot is good some animals are just gonna run.  Looks like your shot was kinda high and my guess it just hit the top of the lungs.  If your gun shoots the Ballistic tips well I would stay with them.  For every bullet you are gonna here good and bad stories.
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