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Other Hunting => Upland Birds => Topic started by: bankwalker on November 18, 2008, 02:18:54 PM

Title: shotguns?
Post by: bankwalker on November 18, 2008, 02:18:54 PM: just curious if any of you use a 410 for phesants or quail or w/e

i have a single shot 20g and a double barrel 410 and i would like to hunt upland birds. id much rather use the 410 if possible (2 shots is better then 1). ive killed grouse with the 410 out to 50yds but that pushing it. and i really have no idea what the average shot distance is for flying birds.
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: Intruder on November 18, 2008, 02:31:05 PM: I've hunted quail with a .410 quite a bit. There fine out to about 20 yards. While you certainly can kill pheasants with them it's not a great choice.

Biggest concern with a .410 is adequate pattern density. Most .410s have a full choke which really isn't ideal for shooting close range. Additionally, it is tough to find 8 shot in 3" shells. You usually have to settle for 7.5s which again effects your pattern density.

Ideal for the .410 is I/C or SK shooting 8s. 7.5s aren't too bad but would probably shoot better out of Mod or I/C... not as well in SK.
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: rasbo on November 18, 2008, 02:32:08 PM: Quote from: bankwalker on November 18, 2008, 02:18:54 PM
just curious if any of you use a 410 for phesants or quail or w/e

i have a single shot 20g and a double barrel 410 and i would like to hunt upland birds. id much rather use the 410 if possible (2 shots is better then 1). ive killed grouse with the 410 out to 50yds but that pushing it. and i really have no idea what the average shot distance is for flying birds.

I got a 410 bolt I shoot quail,grouse. just get on them quicker,
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: bankwalker on November 18, 2008, 02:34:50 PM: yeah its a full choke. i usually shoot 2.5" #6 shot for grouse while hunting deer. shots are always under 30yds. but i have taken some 50yd shots just to see if it can be done. which i could be done.
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: Intruder on November 18, 2008, 02:37:36 PM: I'd highly suggest patterning the gun with different loads. Usually with a .410 it isn't hard to see load will perform best. Remember, with quail shot size isn't nearly as important as pattern density.
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: bankwalker on November 18, 2008, 02:40:36 PM: how far should i shoot from to see my pattern? and what should i be looking for in a pattern at a given distance say 20yds?

my main concern is that if i have a good tight pattern at 10yds, and 20yds. how much will it open up after 20yds?
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: jackelope on November 18, 2008, 09:40:15 PM: Quote
my main concern is that if i have a good tight pattern at 10yds, and 20yds. how much will it open up after 20yds?

a lot...shoot a patterning board.

guys are shooting sporting clays all the time with 28 and .410 gauges with decent success, but there's a lot more to effectively killing pheasants than there is to breaking clays.
what kind of .410 is it?
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: high country on November 19, 2008, 05:48:08 AM: you CAN do it. my dad grew up in southern ID and he killed many many pheasants and huns with his 410, HOWEVER you are gonna need a goo dog as your number of cripples is sureto go up.

shoot you pattern board at the distance you plan to shoot. typically SxS guns are regulated to a given distance ie, they might hit left of sight to 20 yds, right on from 20-30 and start going right of sight beyond that.
Title: Re: shotguns?
Post by: bankwalker on November 19, 2008, 06:21:40 PM: Quote from: jackelope on November 18, 2008, 09:40:15 PM
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my main concern is that if i have a good tight pattern at 10yds, and 20yds. how much will it open up after 20yds?

a lot...shoot a patterning board.

guys are shooting sporting clays all the time with 28 and .410 gauges with decent success, but there's a lot more to effectively killing pheasants than there is to breaking clays.
what kind of .410 is it?

its a steven side by side.