Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 02:50:14 PM
Over the phone update after the meeting:
(please understand this may not be accurate, I am repeating what was told to me over the phone about what was said at the meeting)
The room was over flowing, with standing room only. This was an official public meeting, prior notice had been filed in a major public newspaper and a notice has been repeated on the local radio for the last week.
(Please remember the wolf meetings held by WDFW that I wrote about in the past. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1608111.html#msg1608111 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1608111.html#msg1608111) )
Apparently after those meetings a county citizen requested information from WDFW under the freedom of information act regarding when Director Anderson was sworn in and if the wolf plan was a legal document. The citizen at first received some correspondence then was refused additional information. He has all correspondence including the written refusal of the information that was requested.
The county has learned that Director Anderson and Region 1 Director Pozzanghera were signing documents when they were not sworn in agents of the state. Potentially anything signed by them prior to being sworn in could be null and void.
Apparently acting in this capacity is potentially a violation of the Washington State Constitution.
The sheriff and prosecutor have been requested by citizens to file a grand jury indictment against Anderson, Pozzanghera, and the person who refused the information that was requested under the freedom of information act.
Apparently people are also asking for WDFW authority to be taken out of the county. The commissioners commented that this could attract poachers to the county but people in attendance still wanted WDFW removed. The commissioners asked everyone in attendance if this is what they wanted the county to do. Not one person spoke up in opposition. Some mention was made of a Stevens County Wildlife authority.
It was mentioned in the meeting that none of this would have transpired if WDFW would have been more reasonable with the wolf plan. The county told the audience that if any wolves threaten them or their property and they shoot them all that the county will not prosecute. The state may try to confiscate trucks and guns, but the county will not prosecute.
Apparently it is suspected there are Dept of Ecology officials who have been acting without legal authority. There have been unreasonable requirements on county citizens and tickets written for potential to pollute. It sounds as if any state official will now be required to register proof of their legal jurisdiction in the county courthouse and carry proof on themselves when in the county in order to prove their legal authority.
It sounds as if the county commissioners, prosecutor, sheriff, and citizens are on the same page.
DISCLAIMER: I am only the messenger, please don't attack me for providing this info, it was second hand info, I was not at the meeting. For a more accurate account of the meeting please refer to any upcoming radio and newspaper stories that I'm sure will cover this matter.
Post by: buckfvr on February 24, 2014, 03:12:49 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 24, 2014, 03:45:33 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 03:58:24 PM
I know a couple people who are sitting in the meeting now.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 04:17:27 PM
There's a Stevens County meeting today in Colville at 3PM regarding the WDFW Director acting as director before being sworn into office. Hoping someone can attend and provide details.
Typical democrap workings.
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 04:23:50 PM
Still haven't heard exactly what's being discussed in this public meeting.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 24, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 24, 2014, 04:50:12 PM
Let me guess...an election must be coming up for Steven's county Sherrif and Prosecutor :chuckle:
Post by: buckfvr on February 24, 2014, 05:00:04 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Bearpaw, I was going to say be careful what you wish for. Anderson disappoints in many ways, but is a heck of an improvement over Koenings.
Please read my previous post. I said I thought Director Anderson was the best director in 20 to 30 or more years and that I feared a replacement would be worse.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 24, 2014, 05:04:25 PM
Might just be a witch hunt so inslee can appoint his own pawn...............:yike: :yike:
Let us know when you find out please
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 06:23:27 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 06:29:29 PM
(please understand this may not be accurate, I am repeating what was told to me over the phone about what was said at the meeting)
The room was over flowing, with standing room only. This was an official public meeting, prior notice had been filed in a major public newspaper and a notice has been repeated on the local radio for the last week.
(Please remember the wolf meetings held by WDFW that I wrote about in the past. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1608111.html#msg1608111 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121068.msg1608111.html#msg1608111) )
Apparently after those meetings a county citizen requested information from WDFW under the freedom of information act regarding when Director Anderson was sworn in and if the wolf plan was a legal document. The citizen at first received some correspondence then was refused additional information. He has all correspondence including the written refusal of the information that was requested.
The county has learned that Director Anderson and Region 1 Director Pozzanghera were signing documents when they were not sworn in agents of the state. Potentially anything signed by them prior to being sworn in could be null and void.
Apparently acting in this capacity is potentially a violation of the Washington State Constitution.
The sheriff and prosecutor have been requested by citizens to file a grand jury indictment against Anderson, Pozzanghera, and the person who refused the information that was requested under the freedom of information act.
Apparently people are also asking for WDFW authority to be taken out of the county. The commissioners commented that this could attract poachers to the county but people in attendance still wanted WDFW removed. The commissioners asked everyone in attendance if this is what they wanted the county to do. Not one person spoke up in opposition. Some mention was made of a Stevens County Wildlife authority.
It was mentioned in the meeting that none of this would have transpired if WDFW would have been more reasonable with the wolf plan. The county told the audience that if any wolves threaten them or their property and they shoot them all that the county will not prosecute. The state may try to confiscate trucks and guns, but the county will not prosecute.
Apparently it is suspected there are Dept of Ecology officials who have been acting without legal authority. There have been unreasonable requirements on county citizens and tickets written for potential to pollute. It sounds as if any state official will now be required to register proof of their legal jurisdiction in the county courthouse and carry proof on themselves when in the county in order to prove their legal authority.
It sounds as if the county commissioners, prosecutor, sheriff, and citizens are on the same page.
DISCLAIMER: I am only the messenger, please don't attack me for providing this info, it was second hand info, I was not at the meeting. For a more accurate account of the meeting please refer to any upcoming radio and newspaper stories that I'm sure will cover this matter.
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2014, 06:41:46 PM
I didn't see that one coming!
how can I get a hold of the minutes, I'd like to see them
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 24, 2014, 06:45:12 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on February 24, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2014, 06:48:46 PM
Now I wish I knew who owned the property the wolf was poached on.
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 06:59:14 PM
how can I get a hold of the minutes, I'd like to see them
Yes I know, it's hard to believe, caught me by surprise, I am only posting what I was told over the phone second hand!
I'm not sure where to get minutes, probably check with the county commissioners office.
http://www.co.stevens.wa.us/ (http://www.co.stevens.wa.us/)
AGENDA
MONDAY FEBRUARY 24, 2014
8:30-4:30 Board business
10:30 Food Freedom Ordinance review
11:30 Dr. David Nielsen - Wes
12:00 LUNCH – Work Crew meeting – Don
2:30 Paula Holter-Mehren & Wendy Andres – CASA
3:00 WDFW issue
6:00 Mill Creek A-Z project public meeting at Ag Trade Center
6:00 Northport Chamber of Commerce
7:00 Springdale City Council
Post by: buckfvr on February 24, 2014, 07:19:17 PM
Ill not buy their crap and call it poached from the get go. :twocents:
Finally, the state gets called on the carpet for their shenanigans.........hang em boys....................and while were at it, get their bounty hunters out of the county too................. :yeah:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 24, 2014, 07:31:21 PM
It sounds like a horror story.
Post by: bigtex on February 24, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
That $7500 bucks might never get paid out if Stevens CO refuses to prosecute.
Under state law if a prosecutor fails/refuses to prosecute a case the WDFW Commission can request that the WA Attorney General's Office prosecute the case in place of the county prosecutor.
RCW 77.15.065
Authority of attorney general if prosecuting attorney defaults.
If the prosecuting attorney of the county in which a violation of this title or rule of the department occurs fails to file an information against the alleged violator, the attorney general upon request of the commission may file an information in the superior court of the county and prosecute the case in place of the prosecuting attorney. The commission may request prosecution by the attorney general if thirty days have passed since the commission informed the county prosecuting attorney of the alleged violation.
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2014, 07:39:03 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 07:40:53 PM
Director is removed. Wolf plan nullified. New Director appointed by Inslee. New wolf plan adopted which gives wolves more protection than before.
It sounds like a horror story.
That is sort of my position too regarding the Director, I think Anderson is better than any replacement the current Commission will give us, it's the wildlife commission who chooses new directors.
Post by: washelkhunter on February 24, 2014, 07:43:58 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 24, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
It won't go down that way BT, pretty rare for that to happen
Oh no doubt about it's rarity. But if any case, I am pretty sure a wolf killing will make the commission think about this authority.
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 07:46:50 PM
Is there any info of where exactly this wolf was killed ? Was it on the border of Washington and Idaho in Idaho perhaps ? Smackout is only a day hike for a wolf............. :chuckle:
I heard up near Deep Lake or Cedar Lake, north end of GMU 111.
Regarding Meeting
I talked to another person who was at the meeting, sounds like most of the info I got from my first phone call was somewhat accurate. I'll be looking for more details on this. Maybe KFhunter can get some minutes and post them.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2014, 08:15:41 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 24, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 24, 2014, 09:21:46 PM
Apparently people are also asking for WDFW authority to be taken out of the county. The commissioners commented that this could attract poachers to the county but people in attendance still wanted WDFW removed. The commissioners asked everyone in attendance if this is what they wanted the county to do. Not one person spoke up in opposition. Some mention was made of a Stevens County Wildlife authority.:chuckle: So where are all the legal/LEO folks to speak to the efficacy of this well thought out plan of Stevens County to eliminate WDFW from their county? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
It was mentioned in the meeting that none of this would have transpired if WDFW would have been more reasonable with the wolf plan. The county told the audience that if any wolves threaten them or their property and they shoot them all that the county will not prosecute. The state may try to confiscate trucks and guns, but the county will not prosecute.
It sounds as if the county commissioners, prosecutor, sheriff, and citizens are on the same page.
Post by: bigtex on February 24, 2014, 09:29:56 PM
It's all politics. If a county commissioner said they support WDFW do you think they would get re-elected in Stevens County? Of course not, they may as well say they support Obama gun's policies as well :chuckle:
Will this whole discussion deliver a point to WDFW? Probably, but for anyone to actually think they are going to remove a state agency from a county is idiotic.
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 09:34:04 PM
Wonder why the media hasn't reported on this ? Especially the liberal run national news media,
I guarantee it will be on Colville radio tomorrow.
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2014, 09:37:19 PM
Apparently people are also asking for WDFW authority to be taken out of the county. The commissioners commented that this could attract poachers to the county but people in attendance still wanted WDFW removed. The commissioners asked everyone in attendance if this is what they wanted the county to do. Not one person spoke up in opposition. Some mention was made of a Stevens County Wildlife authority.:chuckle: So where are all the legal/LEO folks to speak to the efficacy of this well thought out plan of Stevens County to eliminate WDFW from their county? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
It was mentioned in the meeting that none of this would have transpired if WDFW would have been more reasonable with the wolf plan. The county told the audience that if any wolves threaten them or their property and they shoot them all that the county will not prosecute. The state may try to confiscate trucks and guns, but the county will not prosecute.
It sounds as if the county commissioners, prosecutor, sheriff, and citizens are on the same page.
It ain't a plan, just some random dude floating an idea.
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
This would be an interesting one. Wonder how big of a lawsuit this would be. As far as removing WDFW personnel from the county what's going to happen, a Sheriff's Deputy arrest a WDFW Officer? I'd love to see that happen. Some Sheriff's (especially in the Utah area) have threatened to arrest USFS and BLM LE for probably 20 years, has it ever happened? Of course not.
It's all politics. If a county commissioner said they support WDFW do you think they would get re-elected in Stevens County? Of course not, they may as well say they support Obama gun's policies as well :chuckle:
Will this whole discussion deliver a point to WDFW? Probably, but for anyone to actually think they are going to remove a state agency from a county is idiotic.
Very likely they are trying to make a point. Still wondering if I heard everything correctly and what will actually happen. Perhaps this Washington is like the other Washington where one man can change the rules as he chooses and is not held accountable? :dunno:
Post by: idahohuntr on February 24, 2014, 09:43:08 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
I just looked at Stevens county website and the Sheriff and Prosecutor are up for election in 2014. So, its a good time to hold this mock public meeting and all the voters of Stevens County believe the good sheriff and prosecutor are actually going to get tough with WDFW...kick them out of the county, write their own wolf plan bla bla bla :chuckle: :chuckle:
I suspect it will work as well for them as it did for Idaho's Governor Butch Otter, his campaign slogan was "I want to notch the first Idaho wolf tag."
Been a great governor too. He stopped the IDFG from prosecuting wolf poachers. :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2014, 11:37:21 PM
I just looked at Stevens county website and the Sheriff and Prosecutor are up for election in 2014. So, its a good time to hold this mock public meeting and all the voters of Stevens County believe the good sheriff and prosecutor are actually going to get tough with WDFW...kick them out of the county, write their own wolf plan bla bla bla :chuckle: :chuckle:
The more I thought about this the more your comment is messed up. It sounds like you are suggesting that elected officials should not do what their constituents desire. There's something wrong with your outlook, or are you just bucking for a job with WDFW?
Post by: idahohuntr on February 24, 2014, 11:54:31 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 25, 2014, 12:04:26 AM
If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.
Obviously that isn't going to happen, but what could be done is Stevens CO no longer supporting WDFW.
Call in a poacher here and you're likely to have Stevens CO provide aid, WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation. So the county is very involved.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 25, 2014, 05:56:56 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2014, 06:00:23 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 06:05:17 AM
If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 25, 2014, 06:20:29 AM
You tell that to Wilderness Watch and all these other enviro groups and see what they reply back.
I know. That's a huge problem with people/groups, sticking their noses in business where it doesn't belong. Maybe it's just me that hates people/groups like that. Politicians are nothing but a bunch of self-righteous, spineless, bought off pansies.
Post by: buckfvr on February 25, 2014, 06:51:41 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 06:56:11 AM
Outside influence controls this state.......all the special interest groups ???????The state has their back, while systematically turning their back on rural communities like ours.Which is all the more reason I respect these rural politicians for taking a stand. I told my wife last night that if they continue to fight this (even if not successful) we may consider moving a 1/2 hour north to Stevens County.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 25, 2014, 07:00:01 AM
Outside influence controls this state.......all the special interest groups ???????The state has their back, while systematically turning their back on rural communities like ours.Which is all the more reason I respect these rural politicians for taking a stand. I told my wife last night that if they continue to fight this (even if not successful) we may consider moving a 1/2 hour north to Stevens County.
You should anyhow. Become a rebel like the rest of us........... :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2014, 07:08:41 AM
If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
:yeah:
I just looked at Stevens county website and the Sheriff and Prosecutor are up for election in 2014. So, its a good time to hold this mock public meeting and all the voters of Stevens County believe the good sheriff and prosecutor are actually going to get tough with WDFW...kick them out of the county, write their own wolf plan bla bla bla :chuckle: :chuckle:
I suspect it will work as well for them as it did for Idaho's Governor Butch Otter, his campaign slogan was "I want to notch the first Idaho wolf tag."
Been a great governor too. He stopped the IDFG from prosecuting wolf poachers. :twocents:
After Otter was elected for his Campaign slogan, he followed through with what the people wanted. He stopped F&G from investigating wolf shootings and then worked to make shooiting wolves legal. That is exactly what his constituency wanted and he continues to be re-elected. :tup:
Glad to see our Stevens County elected officials are united. I serve on a county advisory board and I have attended many other functions where I have become acquainted with the elected officials, I know them all except for the prosecutor, from everything I have seen these officials are representing the people of Stevens County very well. People are fed up with the whole predator policy of WDFW (wolf, cougar, bear, coyote, etc) and unfair tickets given to residents by the Dept of Ecology. I give these officials high marks for their desire to serve the county. It's not their job to represent the interests of wolf supporters and enviro groups from out of the county. This is local representation as it should be, if nothing else, this will send a strong message to Olympia. :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 07:20:38 AM
Believe me Camp, it's getting more tempting every day.Outside influence controls this state.......all the special interest groups ???????The state has their back, while systematically turning their back on rural communities like ours.Which is all the more reason I respect these rural politicians for taking a stand. I told my wife last night that if they continue to fight this (even if not successful) we may consider moving a 1/2 hour north to Stevens County.
You should anyhow. Become a rebel like the rest of us........... :tup:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 25, 2014, 07:43:47 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 25, 2014, 07:57:32 AM
Never said it was any different than any other politician in the west, in D.C. or anywhere else for that matter. :tup:If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
Post by: JLS on February 25, 2014, 08:18:29 AM
If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
And I would guess the politicians on the wet side are acting on what they majority of their voters actually want.
Ironic how if it was a Democratic stunt, it would be labeled as grandstanding. Since it's conservative Republican, it's taking a stand. :tup:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 08:51:16 AM
Oh come on you can't actually think that. The wolf plan was discussed, put in place and crammed down out throats before most ever knew what was going on. This disapoints me JLS, based on your posts I have read in the past I always thought you were smarter than this.If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
And I would guess the politicians on the wet side are acting on what they majority of their voters actually want.
Ironic how if it was a Democratic stunt, it would be labeled as grandstanding. Since it's conservative Republican, it's taking a stand. :tup:
Post by: baldopepper on February 25, 2014, 09:05:11 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2014, 09:26:44 AM
And I would guess the politicians on the wet side are acting on what they majority of their voters actually want.
I agree and that's where the problem is. The westside politicians and wolf groups want all the predators here in E WA, when Representative Kretz offered legislation to transport wolves to the westside the westside legislators rejected having wolves in their county.
Another David vs. Goliath issue for a rural county. Keep in mind Washington's population is close to 7,000,000 and Stevens county's is 45,000. Less than 1%. It's important to keep in mind that to most state politicians the wolf issue is no issue and to the vast majority of the states population the wolf issue is no issue. I hate to see small rural counties take on the state in lawsuit issues because tax negative counties like Stevens county (they pay considerably less into the state coffers than they take in) end up spending a lot more than they can afford and seem to usually loose. PLEASE don't get me wrong, I admire what the county is standing up for and don't blame them (I have homes in both Pierce and Stevens county and my heart really is in Stevens county) I just hope they proceed with caution when they threaten to arrest or throw out WDFW reps.-not saying they shouldn't stand up for what they believe in and what's best for the county-just saying a lot of blustering and threatening is maybe not the best way to go. I don't have any quick answers or solutions-I just hope cooler heads prevail.
I think everyone in the county understands this. It will be interesting to see how and if they move forward.
Post by: buckfvr on February 25, 2014, 09:54:44 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 25, 2014, 10:45:21 AM
Bearpaw, I was going to say be careful what you wish for. Anderson disappoints in many ways, but is a heck of an improvement over Koenings.
Please read my previous post. I said I thought Director Anderson was the best director in 20 to 30 or more years and that I feared a replacement would be worse.
Post by: JLS on February 25, 2014, 03:56:59 PM
Oh come on you can't actually think that. The wolf plan was discussed, put in place and crammed down out throats before most ever knew what was going on. This disapoints me JLS, based on your posts I have read in the past I always thought you were smarter than this.If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
And I would guess the politicians on the wet side are acting on what they majority of their voters actually want.
Ironic how if it was a Democratic stunt, it would be labeled as grandstanding. Since it's conservative Republican, it's taking a stand. :tup:
I seem to recall plenty of public comment. Whether or not it was fully taken into consideration I don't know. But I do believe that a very large percentage of voters on the left side of the state like wolves.
Remember Sen. Ranker's little show over the aerial shooting of the Wedge pack? There was probably a certain level of grandstanding involved there, but it's also highly likely that he was acting in the direct interests of his constituency.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 03:59:51 PM
Of course they do. They don't have to deal with them. Maybe there was alot of public comment time over there, but I don't recall much at all over here.Oh come on you can't actually think that. The wolf plan was discussed, put in place and crammed down out throats before most ever knew what was going on. This disapoints me JLS, based on your posts I have read in the past I always thought you were smarter than this.If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
And I would guess the politicians on the wet side are acting on what they majority of their voters actually want.
Ironic how if it was a Democratic stunt, it would be labeled as grandstanding. Since it's conservative Republican, it's taking a stand. :tup:
I seem to recall plenty of public comment. Whether or not it was fully taken into consideration I don't know. But I do believe that a very large percentage of voters on the left side of the state like wolves.
Remember Sen. Ranker's little show over the aerial shooting of the Wedge pack? There was probably a certain level of grandstanding involved there, but it's also highly likely that he was acting in the direct interests of his constituency.
Post by: JLS on February 25, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
Of course they do. They don't have to deal with them. Maybe there was alot of public comment time over there, but I don't recall much at all over here.Oh come on you can't actually think that. The wolf plan was discussed, put in place and crammed down out throats before most ever knew what was going on. This disapoints me JLS, based on your posts I have read in the past I always thought you were smarter than this.If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.Even if that's the case, how's that any different than politicians on the wet side taking us for a ride on their beloved wolves. At least these guys are acting on what the voters actually want. Anyone who can't see that is naive.
And I would guess the politicians on the wet side are acting on what they majority of their voters actually want.
Ironic how if it was a Democratic stunt, it would be labeled as grandstanding. Since it's conservative Republican, it's taking a stand. :tup:
I seem to recall plenty of public comment. Whether or not it was fully taken into consideration I don't know. But I do believe that a very large percentage of voters on the left side of the state like wolves.
Remember Sen. Ranker's little show over the aerial shooting of the Wedge pack? There was probably a certain level of grandstanding involved there, but it's also highly likely that he was acting in the direct interests of his constituency.
I'm confused, what part of my statement were you disagreeing with?
Post by: stevemiller on February 25, 2014, 04:31:58 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 25, 2014, 04:36:38 PM
That was at the request of the Sheriff's Office, not at the request of WDFW...If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation.
Post by: CementFinisher on February 25, 2014, 05:01:10 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 05:52:23 PM
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Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I disagree that the entire wolf plan, introduction, whatever you wanna call it was widely broad cast in an effort to make sure everyone had a chance to have an opi ion heard. I recall only hearing blips and pieces here and there until it had already become a problem. And this is backed up by the suprise of many in eastern wa when they hear about the expansion of wolves and the problems they are causing. Also by this very site and the shock and outrage with the sneaky, behind closed doors deals that have been made. Where I do agree with you is that people on the west side are in approval of the wolves. Because they don't have to deal with them.
I'm confused, what part of my statement were you disagreeing with?
Post by: Bob33 on February 25, 2014, 06:35:23 PM
As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.
Post by: HntnFsh on February 25, 2014, 06:39:12 PM
"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."
As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.
Ya, that can be broke down further yet. How about Oly north. Most people in this neck of the woods think the only good wolf is a dead wolf!
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."And that was what I meant Bob. Certainly I didn't mean everyone, but the voting majority.
As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.
Post by: Bob33 on February 25, 2014, 07:24:50 PM
It does get kind of lonely over here at times. :chuckle:"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."And that was what I meant Bob. Certainly I didn't mean everyone, but the voting majority.
As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.
Post by: baldopepper on February 25, 2014, 07:34:57 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 25, 2014, 07:35:12 PM
That was at the request of the Sheriff's Office, not at the request of WDFW...If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation.
I know one of the detectives that was " trained " and he said the whole entire wolf thing was a joke.......
Post by: bobcat on February 25, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I disagree that the entire wolf plan, introduction, whatever you wanna call it was widely broad cast in an effort to make sure everyone had a chance to have an opi ion heard. I recall only hearing blips and pieces here and there until it had already become a problem. And this is backed up by the suprise of many in eastern wa when they hear about the expansion of wolves and the problems they are causing. Also by this very site and the shock and outrage with the sneaky, behind closed doors deals that have been made. Where I do agree with you is that people on the west side are in approval of the wolves. Because they don't have to deal with them.
Okay, this comes up every once in a while and I always have to try to clear it up...
There was no wolf introduction in this state. The WDFW did nothing other than write a plan on how to manage the wolves after they were already here. The introduction of wolves happened in Idaho, not Washington, and again, the WDFW had nothing to do with it.
Another thing- you might be surprised at how many people on the westside don't like wolves and would rather not have any in the state. Also, you say westsiders don't care because we don't have to deal with them. Well, we will soon enough. I doubt the Cascade Mountains are going to stop the natural expansion of the wolves in this state.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 08:04:54 PM
Clear what up Bobcat? Read the first line again and slower this time.Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I disagree that the entire wolf plan, introduction, whatever you wanna call it was widely broad cast in an effort to make sure everyone had a chance to have an opi ion heard. I recall only hearing blips and pieces here and there until it had already become a problem. And this is backed up by the suprise of many in eastern wa when they hear about the expansion of wolves and the problems they are causing. Also by this very site and the shock and outrage with the sneaky, behind closed doors deals that have been made. Where I do agree with you is that people on the west side are in approval of the wolves. Because they don't have to deal with them.
Okay, this comes up every once in a while and I always have to try to clear it up...
There was no wolf introduction in this state. The WDFW did nothing other than write a plan on how to manage the wolves after they were already here. The introduction of wolves happened in Idaho, not Washington, and again, the WDFW had nothing to do with it.
Another thing- you might be surprised at how many people on the westside don't like wolves and would rather not have any in the state. Also, you say westsiders don't care because we don't have to deal with them. Well, we will soon enough. I doubt the Cascade Mountains are going to stop the natural expansion of the wolves in this state.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2014, 08:05:59 PM
I know, I lived there once for about a year and a half. Was about all I could take. :chuckle:It does get kind of lonely over here at times. :chuckle:"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."And that was what I meant Bob. Certainly I didn't mean everyone, but the voting majority.
As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 25, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
That was at the request of the Sheriff's Office, not at the request of WDFW...If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive. No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it. Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation.
And just "what difference does it make" who requested it?
Post by: Special T on March 19, 2014, 01:20:17 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 19, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
Director is removed. Wolf plan nullified. New Director appointed by Inslee. New wolf plan adopted which gives wolves more protection than before.
It sounds like a horror story.
That is sort of my position too regarding the Director, I think Anderson is better than any replacement the current Commission will give us, it's the wildlife commission who chooses new directors.
That is the conundrum of the removal petition being circulated on this site. Are you going to get someone better or will it just end up making matters worse.
Always remember the old lawyers' adage for questioning on the witness stand. "You never ask a question unless you already know the answer". Otherwise, you are likely to be surprised what the answer is. There should be an acceptable replacement all ready to step in before you go about the business of removing someone, unless of course something criminal is going on.
Post by: Gringo31 on March 19, 2014, 02:01:27 PM
I also LOVE the whole idea of local government.