Post by: Huntboy on February 24, 2014, 07:29:49 PM
Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 24, 2014, 07:31:52 PM
Post by: Blacklab on February 24, 2014, 07:32:17 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 24, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
Post by: mountainman on February 24, 2014, 10:42:53 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 24, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
:party1:
Post by: Taco280AI on February 24, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Don't recall ever hearing them being inaccurate though :tup:
Post by: Old Dog on February 24, 2014, 11:07:01 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 24, 2014, 11:12:21 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
Spare me
Post by: Huntboy on February 25, 2014, 07:14:02 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 25, 2014, 07:18:52 AM
For the PC crowd, I raised 2 children in my house and luckily they know the difference.
Don't sweat it HuntBoy.
Ignorance precludes it, which is seemingly more than enough. :tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 25, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
For the PC crowd, I raised 2 children in my house and luckily they know the difference.
Don't sweat it HuntBoy.
Ignorance precludes it, which is seemingly more than enough. :tup:
I totally agree with him and you just so you know. I'm not going to light a guy up online for calling a new gun that he's stoked about, a "toy".
I just didn't see the necessity for how he blew up :dunno:
Post by: Hunt4ever on February 25, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Post by: Blacklab on February 25, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 25, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
For the PC crowd, I raised 2 children in my house and luckily they know the difference.
Don't sweat it HuntBoy.
Ignorance precludes it, which is seemingly more than enough. :tup:
I didn't blow up.
Just a pet peeve I guess, since I had to go through helping a fellow EMT, after he went to a call for a 3 yr old that got shot in the face by her brother, who got up to the top shelf of a closet, to play with daddy's new toy.
I don't care how you raise your kids, as gun owners we should all speak the same language when we know children are reading our stuff of listening to what we say.
Not PC at all. just plain common sense.
If you taught your kids not to play with guns, don't call them toys---that's what they play with.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 25, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
For the PC crowd, I raised 2 children in my house and luckily they know the difference.
Don't sweat it HuntBoy.
Ignorance precludes it, which is seemingly more than enough. :tup:
I didn't blow up.
Just a pet peeve I guess, since I had to go through helping a fellow EMT, after he went to a call for a 3 yr old that got shot in the face by her brother, who got up to the top shelf of a closet, to play with daddy's new toy.
I don't care how you raise your kids, as gun owners we should all speak the same language when we know children are reading our stuff of listening to what we say.
Not PC at all. just plain common sense.
If you taught your kids not to play with guns, don't call them toys---that's what they play with.
So because you are an EMT you feel it's your duty to tell people what to do and what to say?
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 26, 2014, 06:34:30 PM
because I have witnessed the trauma of the effects on the family, the police officers, and EMS people, when they have to deal with a 3 yr old with a hole blown through her face, that could have been avoided by her father being responsible and thinking about what he was doing.
I'm not trying to preach to anyone, just trying to get you to think about what you are saying and how it affects others.
We all draw our conclusions when a tragedy happens, but what were we doing before it happened?
Might not have been in our town, but were we communicating with someone there?
If we all are calling firearms, guns, or weapons, instead of " toys", we are all doing a little bit to help stop the senseless loss of our children. May not seem like much, but maybe it is.
I was in a sporting goods store, and noticed they had lead ammo stocked along with the steel shot, in the waterfowl gear section.
A guy was picking out the lead shells to hunt ducks with, because they were the cheapest. I reminded him that lead is illegal to use. He changed his purchase to steel shot, and thanked me.
I spoke to the dep't manager about it. His said he he needed shelf space.
I pointed out that we are all inter-connected in the hunting sport. If he is putting lead in the waterfowl area, he is contributing to a new hunter possibly using the wrong shot and getting in trouble.
Next time I was in there, no lead in the waterfowl section.
I in now way excuse personal responsibility in any thing we do. We need to know and follow all the rules and hunt legally, and hopefully ethically. I don't criticize anyone's ethics, because we all have our own idea as to what is ethical and what is not.
I just would like to bring to the forefront something that most people maybe have never thought of. Maybe it will save a life or some heart ache for someone close to us.
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 26, 2014, 06:59:20 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
You are living in a dream if you truly feel your above comment isn't PC.
Life happens, and regardless how you describe an inanimate object, life will continue to happen.
Education is the key to success in life, and even then, those that are stupid will on occasion take out the educated.
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 26, 2014, 07:02:24 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 26, 2014, 07:15:00 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
You are living in a dream if you truly feel your above comment isn't PC.
Life happens, and regardless how you describe an inanimate object, life will continue to happen.
Education is the key to success in life, and even then, those that are stupid will on occasion take out the educated.
So I take it, my effort is not considered ' education".
Sad .
Post by: Huntboy on February 26, 2014, 07:23:15 PM
Huntboy, what is your new toy chambered in?
.308
Post by: Hunt4ever on February 27, 2014, 09:05:34 AM
Huntboy, what is your new toy chambered in?
.308
You figure out what rounds your going to shoot yet?
Post by: headshot5 on February 27, 2014, 09:14:11 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 27, 2014, 09:18:17 AM
That should be an awesome performer downrange. I hope you get some blood on it this coming fall :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 27, 2014, 12:11:01 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
You are living in a dream if you truly feel your above comment isn't PC.
Life happens, and regardless how you describe an inanimate object, life will continue to happen.
Education is the key to success in life, and even then, those that are stupid will on occasion take out the educated.
So I take it, my effort is not considered ' education".
Sad .
Fishncliff, I understand what you're getting at and understand the trauma of the situation you were involved in. But you need to also regain some perspective in your life. Were I talking to my students in a hunter education class, no, it's never a toy. Where I talking to my child or any other kid, no, it's never a toy. But, on a hunting forum and referring to a gun as a new toy, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think the OP will forget that it's a real gun and accidentally shoot someone? Do you think a child will read this post and go out and find a real gun and shoot someone? I suggest that the trauma of the situation you were involved in has made you overly sensitive and that a hunter referring to a gun as a "new toy" on a hunting forum has no inherent dangers whatsoever. Kids who are accidentally shot are usually A. the child of an idiot, or B. visiting the child of an idiot, or C. a gangster or gangster wannabe.
By the way, that's an awesome new rifle. :tup:
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 27, 2014, 08:08:04 PM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
My newest toy
It's not a frickin TOY. It is a rifle.
Before you go all-- I know the difference blah blah blah
Too damn many kids are dying because there parents or relatives describe them as TOYS.
You are living in a dream if you truly feel your above comment isn't PC.
Life happens, and regardless how you describe an inanimate object, life will continue to happen.
Education is the key to success in life, and even then, those that are stupid will on occasion take out the educated.
So I take it, my effort is not considered ' education".
Sad .
Fishncliff, I understand what you're getting at and understand the trauma of the situation you were involved in. But you need to also regain some perspective in your life. Were I talking to my students in a hunter education class, no, it's never a toy. Where I talking to my child or any other kid, no, it's never a toy. But, on a hunting forum and referring to a gun as a new toy, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think the OP will forget that it's a real gun and accidentally shoot someone? Do you think a child will read this post and go out and find a real gun and shoot someone? I suggest that the trauma of the situation you were involved in has made you overly sensitive and that a hunter referring to a gun as a "new toy" on a hunting forum has no inherent dangers whatsoever. Kids who are accidentally shot are usually A. the child of an idiot, or B. visiting the child of an idiot, or C. a gangster or gangster wannabe.
By the way, that's an awesome new rifle. :tup:
Gee hmm,
Do you think a child will read this post and go out and find a real gun and shoot someone?
Just hearing the word TOY caused a 5 yr old to seek out that toy and play with it.
Reading it on here may have the same effect.
Yeh, I may be a little sensitive, but I'm not arrogant and think it won't happen to me cause I am a hunter or gun owner., and I don't judge people as what they may or may not be.
I look at cause and effect.
If you know what causes a problem, and the effects of it,
why not try to take steps to see that those instances are greatly reduced or eliminated.
Seems more logical than puffing up yor chest and saying stuff like " Ignorance precludes it, which is seemingly more than enough", or " Stop being PC.
But to each their own I guess.
We will see who says what, when the next incident happens.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 27, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
To blame a single post on the internet with possibly causing an accident is a bit too simplistic don't ya think?
Kids occasionally do really stupid stuff, no matter what you teach them, or say in front of them. I would not think for a second to blame a post on the internet as potentially reducing the safety and well being of youth in general.
A guy drops a chunk of change on a high end purchase of any kind will often refer to it as his new "toy" as you well know. If it was a car would you complain? Heck, the kids may grow up and drive recklessly and injure or kill someone. Same concern?
Post by: Fishnclifff on February 27, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Fishncliff, so who do we blame when a family never references a gun as a toy and their child kills someone with one? How about the parents for not educating their children about guns? Well?
Yes we blame the gun owner for not being responsible.
To blame a single post on the internet with possibly causing an accident is a bit too simplistic don't ya think?
Kids occasionally do really stupid stuff, no matter what you teach them, or say in front of them. I would not think for a second to blame a post on the internet as potentially reducing the safety and well being of youth in general.
Didn't blame a post. I simply said--stop using this term , for this reason.
A guy drops a chunk of change on a high end purchase of any kind will often refer to it as his new "toy" as you well know. If it was a car would you complain? Heck, the kids may grow up and drive recklessly and injure or kill someone. Same concern?
Yep. We had this post on H/W asking for people to slow down, http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147316.0.html. (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147316.0.html.)
Didn't see anyone on there bloviating about how they know how to drive blah blah blah.
Wonder why that is.
Post by: Nailed it on February 28, 2014, 05:05:53 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 28, 2014, 05:18:09 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 28, 2014, 06:15:06 AM
I hope the kids don't get to my wife's toy.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: jackmaster on February 28, 2014, 07:24:40 AM
oh look a flashlight :chuckle: :chuckle: mama, whats this, :yike: oh thats mommys flashlight incase the power goes out :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: and when guys buy a new gun its always referred to as a "new toy" why you ask? because most of us are over grown kids :chuckle: and guns are, are xbox,or playstation or whatever kids play with :chuckle: on a serious note: only educating kids on the proper handling of firearms will ever stop the accidents or whatever the politically correct term is, parents need to quit being affraid and teach them kids how to handle them and what to do if they were ever at a friends house and they walked out with a gun, GUN SAFETY, SHOULD BE TAUGHT THROUGH ALL GRADES IN SCHOOL :tup:I hope the kids don't get to my wife's toy.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: LndShrk on February 28, 2014, 07:53:58 AM
I completely understand what you are getting at. Cause and effect, Influential terminology etc. the list goes on. I do get it.
Part of solving for those types of issues is choosing the correct battles.
I am sorry for what you had to witness. Been there myself nothing good about that. I appreciate the effort in wanting to make a difference as well. :tup: I respect the fact that you are willing to speak out and try and have an impact. Rather it is taken as PC or not.
With all that said as I mentioned part of solving the problem is choosing the battles.
In this particular case from an influential language perspective. It could have easily been this picture as well.
That same 5 year old could be reading and say hey daddy has one that looks like that.. Lets play. Just Google Toy Gun and look at all the images.
Post by: hollymaster on February 28, 2014, 08:01:58 AM
oh look a flashlight :chuckle: :chuckle: mama, whats this, :yike: oh thats mommys flashlight incase the power goes out :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: and when guys buy a new gun its always referred to as a "new toy" why you ask? because most of us are over grown kids :chuckle: and guns are, are xbox,or playstation or whatever kids play with :chuckle: on a serious note: only educating kids on the proper handling of firearms will ever stop the accidents or whatever the politically correct term is, parents need to quit being affraid and teach them kids how to handle them and what to do if they were ever at a friends house and they walked out with a gun, GUN SAFETY, SHOULD BE TAUGHT THROUGH ALL GRADES IN SCHOOL :tup:I hope the kids don't get to my wife's toy.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: JohnVH on February 28, 2014, 08:04:21 AM
Kids aren't dieing because people call them toys, kids are dieing being of bad parenting.
Post by: Badhabit on February 28, 2014, 08:35:02 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 28, 2014, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: jackmaster on February 28, 2014, 09:58:14 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on February 28, 2014, 10:02:34 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 28, 2014, 10:07:22 AM
i think since you got 4 toys the courteous thing to do is share one? :chuckle: im not picky i'll play with any one you give me. :chuckle:
:tup:
Post by: wildweeds on February 28, 2014, 10:48:41 AM
For the PC crowd, I raised 2 children in my house and luckily they know the difference.
Don't sweat it HuntBoy.
Ignorance precludes it, which is seemingly more than enough. :tup:
Post by: LndShrk on February 28, 2014, 10:58:07 AM
So I buy a new truck/car and call it my new toy. Cars and truck cause more death and mangled bodies to kids than any firearms. So what is the lesson to be learned here?
That you should not be driving period!!!!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :yike:
Post by: Badhabit on February 28, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
Post by: Alchase on February 28, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
This is my rifle
This is my gun
One is killing
One is for fun
Toy?
That is what Momma has hidden for when we are away in deer camp,
or
anything that shoots over 400 rounds a minute :hello:
Post by: REHJWA on February 28, 2014, 12:06:34 PM
Enjoy your time at the range and stay safe.
Post by: seth30 on February 28, 2014, 12:43:21 PM
Post by: Huntboy on March 01, 2014, 08:29:15 PM
Post by: buck man on March 01, 2014, 10:48:12 PM
I love all my toys! Guns, knives, trucks, four wheelers, motorcycles, plane, scuba gear, Wife......every one can kill you if used improperly.......jeeesh. :bash:
Post by: whackmaster on March 01, 2014, 10:54:50 PM
:jacked: :stup: :mor:Fishncliff, so who do we blame when a family never references a gun as a toy and their child kills someone with one? How about the parents for not educating their children about guns? Well?
Yes we blame the gun owner for not being responsible.
To blame a single post on the internet with possibly causing an accident is a bit too simplistic don't ya think?
Kids occasionally do really stupid stuff, no matter what you teach them, or say in front of them. I would not think for a second to blame a post on the internet as potentially reducing the safety and well being of youth in general.
Didn't blame a post. I simply said--stop using this term , for this reason.
A guy drops a chunk of change on a high end purchase of any kind will often refer to it as his new "toy" as you well know. If it was a car would you complain? Heck, the kids may grow up and drive recklessly and injure or kill someone. Same concern?
Yep. We had this post on H/W asking for people to slow down, http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147316.0.html. (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147316.0.html.)
Didn't see anyone on there bloviating about how they know how to drive blah blah blah.
Wonder why that is.
Post by: 724wd on March 02, 2014, 09:41:42 AM
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this
If you're not using the one on the left with the blue watergun, can i borrow her? :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: wafisherman on March 02, 2014, 10:24:48 AM
Savage 10fcp-sr, haven't had it to the range yet. But hopefully soon.
Nice new toy. Should be fun to shoot! Enjoy :tup:
Post by: jrebel on March 02, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
Post by: Skillet on March 02, 2014, 11:13:21 AM
To the OP - nice new toy man!!
Post by: jrebel on March 02, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
Seems the biggest issue here is fishincliff jumped into the OP's thread berating him for his choice of words. That was not appropriate and he wouldn't acknowledge it, but instead continued to argue for his point.
To the OP - nice new toy man!!
:yeah: Very well said
Both of you are right.....I'm sorry. I forgot that two wrongs do make a right. :bash: :bash: :bash: To think I share the woods with people people of this mentality. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 02, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on March 02, 2014, 04:02:27 PM
To the egos and chest puffers.
Not so much.
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2014, 05:23:06 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 02, 2014, 05:45:39 PM
From Merriam Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toy (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toy)
toy noun \ˈtȯi\
: something a child plays with
: something that an adult buys or uses for enjoyment or entertainment
: something that is very small
I think a simple request in good taste (maybe via pm), for a person to refrain from a particular reference for good reason, should be exercised when a person has a strong feeling about a subject. I would encourage that 'reason' to be in the original post of that request though. Not including it, will most assuredly prompt unwanted responses. If that request is public, expect a bit of feedback.
I am an adult. I have many toys that my children didn't touch until they were of age and had demonstrated responsibility that rewarded them opportunities to play with big boy toys.
I hope that .308 Savage shoots really well. I hope that some day that rifle is used in the teaching of progressing youth in long range shooting and hunting. Until then, steel plates at 800yds should be the norm.
-Steve
Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 02, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
I hope the kids don't get to my wife's toy.
HAHA awesome :tup:
Post by: Wea300mag on March 02, 2014, 08:01:17 PM
Post by: Huntboy on March 02, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Post by: seth30 on March 03, 2014, 07:20:02 AM
This thread won't stop anything. This isn't my first toy thread, although none of the others ever went this direction. Opinions are something everyone has, sometimes they are better off kept to ourselves. Thanks for all of the compliments, I'll let you know how it does at the range. Hopefully, this week.Looking forward to seeing the results :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2014, 08:19:41 AM
Huntboy, I hope you don't stop posting images of your new rifles because of this thread. This has gone off on two really bad tangents, neither of which are your fault. A fair warning to all who keep polluting this thread . . . .STOP!!!
Nor will it cause anything. IMHO