Post by: huntingaddiction on March 05, 2014, 10:00:06 AM
Post by: RustneckNW on March 05, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 05, 2014, 10:35:58 AM
Post by: huntingaddiction on March 05, 2014, 11:03:47 AM
I personally dont care for BDC reticles, and would opt for the 4-12. SIght in for 200yd zero and she is money out to 300...........just under center mass @100yds, and just high of center mass @ 300 yards..........simple.Just out of curiosity why don't you like the BDC? I haven't heard anything bad about them. Also what kind of difference does the 4-12 make?
Post by: buckfvr on March 05, 2014, 11:20:12 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 05, 2014, 11:23:20 AM
Post by: jrebel on March 05, 2014, 11:28:20 AM
I like the 4x12 for this reason..... the difference between 3 and 4 power is negligible, so the lower end will have no effect. 9 to 12 power is a huge difference. If I need the extra power I have it. I shoot the 4.4 x 14 leupold and love it (same style reticle).
Good Luck.
Post by: jrebel on March 05, 2014, 11:32:43 AM
Agreed. I find the circles goofy, myself. I am, however, considering the Zeiss Conquest 4-14x44mm with the z800 reticle. LOL I have been for like 4 years. Just too cheap to throw down on it :chuckle:
Has the BDC always been circles??? I thought it use to be hash marks. I am not sure I would like the circles either. My Leupold has hash marks.
Post by: buckfvr on March 05, 2014, 11:37:06 AM
Its so easy to just load your guns ballistics on some software or even Hornadys ballistic resource and print out a cheat sheet specific to your gun and load in MOA. Cant get much simpler IMO.
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 05, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
BDC is generic for caliber, and not precise, 4-12 will give you a bit more for the 200 and over shooting. Plus the bdc to me, is vague in the aiming points.....I like plex and the ability to sight the fine "X" on my target, not a large circle.......thats just my :twocents:
Actually, it's not "generic" for caliber. If you go to the Nikon "Spot On" page you can pick the specific ammo you're shooting, not just caliber. In addition, you can factor in things like muzzle velocity, altitude, wind, and barometric pressure. If you handload you can factor in the exact bullet you're shooting as well. Pretty nifty. The circles...? Well, I can't help you there! Different strokes for different folks.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 05, 2014, 11:46:59 AM
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Post by: huntingaddiction on March 05, 2014, 12:26:45 PM
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Post by: Eli346 on March 05, 2014, 07:15:53 PM
Post by: thinkingman on March 05, 2014, 07:36:37 PM
I really wanted a 3x on the low end for field of view and brightness.
If you hunt the dark timber, less magnification is your friend.
I did get the BDC, but would take the standard Plex if I were to do it over again.
Nikon scopes and 'nocs are amazing.
Post by: Bean Counter on March 05, 2014, 07:45:40 PM
Has the BDC always been circles??? I thought it use to be hash marks. I am not sure I would like the circles either. My Leupold has hash marks.
Anyone is free to correct me if i'm wrong but Im pretty sure it is for Nikon. Leupy and Zeiss seem to stick with the hash marks. With Zeiss you can go to their website and type in your load particulars and get a yardage for each corresponding has mark. If i get around to that I'll likely make a small printout and tape it to my stock.
Post by: buckfvr on March 05, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
BDC is generic for caliber, and not precise, 4-12 will give you a bit more for the 200 and over shooting. Plus the bdc to me, is vague in the aiming points.....I like plex and the ability to sight the fine "X" on my target, not a large circle.......thats just my :twocents:
Actually, it's not "generic" for caliber. If you go to the Nikon "Spot On" page you can pick the specific ammo you're shooting, not just caliber. In addition, you can factor in things like muzzle velocity, altitude, wind, and barometric pressure. If you handload you can factor in the exact bullet you're shooting as well. Pretty nifty. The circles...? Well, I can't help you there! Different strokes for different folks.
SO if thats the case, then depending on your specifics, the values placed on each of the aiming points would vary all over the place......By bullet weight, velocity, baro, center of scope over center of bore, etc. To me it seems it would get confusing and would be more difficult than moa.
Post by: lokidog on March 05, 2014, 08:27:51 PM
Post by: huntingaddiction on March 06, 2014, 06:58:55 AM
My next scope for my 30-06 will be a 4-12X instead of a 3-9X. Hunting eastern WA in a point restricted area, I had a heck of a time trying to put a third point on a buck at just under 200 yards. My binocular was an 8X. I'd like the extra zoom. :twocents:Lokidog it seems to me you might want to upgrade to just some better binos Nikon does make 10x50 and that is what i use. i will probably never goay from them. I have had them for ten years and honestly i got them for $80. I saw them the other day for $125. The east side is where i have always hunted and actually have some land in GMU 178. So i know exactly what you mean. I used to hunt with a smoke pole though so i needed to know they were legal before the stock.
Post by: Wacenturion on March 06, 2014, 07:39:46 AM
BDC is generic for caliber, and not precise, 4-12 will give you a bit more for the 200 and over shooting. Plus the bdc to me, is vague in the aiming points.....I like plex and the ability to sight the fine "X" on my target, not a large circle.......thats just my :twocents:
Actually, it's not "generic" for caliber. If you go to the Nikon "Spot On" page you can pick the specific ammo you're shooting, not just caliber. In addition, you can factor in things like muzzle velocity, altitude, wind, and barometric pressure. If you handload you can factor in the exact bullet you're shooting as well. Pretty nifty. The circles...? Well, I can't help you there! Different strokes for different folks.
SO if thats the case, then depending on your specifics, the values placed on each of the aiming points would vary all over the place......By bullet weight, velocity, baro, center of scope over center of bore, etc. To me it seems it would get confusing and would be more difficult than moa.
Not really. If anything, if one takes the time to use Spot On and plug in the information that it asks for, it actually simplifies things. As an example using different loads for the same rifle, you know exactly where the bullet will hit.
Post by: headshot5 on March 06, 2014, 07:43:36 AM
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My next scope for my 30-06 will be a 4-12X instead of a 3-9X. Hunting eastern WA in a point restricted area, I had a heck of a time trying to put a third point on a buck at just under 200 yards. My binocular was an 8X. I'd like the extra zoom.
You need to find some bigger bucks. :chuckle:
Post by: huntingaddiction on March 06, 2014, 07:52:49 AM
On the east side it is not that easy. Even on private land most of the time the families are hunting. My cousin and My uncle got a couple respectable bucks this year but that is about it.QuoteMy next scope for my 30-06 will be a 4-12X instead of a 3-9X. Hunting eastern WA in a point restricted area, I had a heck of a time trying to put a third point on a buck at just under 200 yards. My binocular was an 8X. I'd like the extra zoom.
You need to find some bigger bucks. :chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on March 06, 2014, 08:01:47 AM
QuoteMy next scope for my 30-06 will be a 4-12X instead of a 3-9X. Hunting eastern WA in a point restricted area, I had a heck of a time trying to put a third point on a buck at just under 200 yards. My binocular was an 8X. I'd like the extra zoom.
You need to find some bigger bucks. :chuckle:
I wish. :( I'll probably just stick to the forkies here on the island, less of a drive, 50 yard or less shots, and easier to find. And, HuntingAddict, I have an old pair of bushnell rangefinding binoculars, so until they die, I'll be sticking to my 8x.
Post by: Blacklab on March 07, 2014, 07:58:08 AM
Post by: doyourtime89 on March 07, 2014, 08:33:26 AM
http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/Nikon-Products/Riflescopes/6754/PROSTAFF-5-3.5-14x40-Custom-XR-Turret.html (http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/Nikon-Products/Riflescopes/6754/PROSTAFF-5-3.5-14x40-Custom-XR-Turret.html)
Post by: lokidog on March 08, 2014, 09:01:02 PM
If you are willing to spend a little more money Nikon just recently came out with a new line....Prostaff 5...when you buy one you get a card (or I think you can do it online) to fill out with all your rifle and ammo info and Nikon will send you out some custom made turrets. So you just sight in your scope screw down some set screws then put the turrets on. Then you can just dial the range you want to shot. This way you dial right to what you want and you don't need the BDC.
http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/Nikon-Products/Riflescopes/6754/PROSTAFF-5-3.5-14x40-Custom-XR-Turret.html (http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/Nikon-Products/Riflescopes/6754/PROSTAFF-5-3.5-14x40-Custom-XR-Turret.html)
This is on Camofire.com right now for $252, wish I had some extra cash at the moment, I'd replace my 3X9.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 08, 2014, 09:33:58 PM
Post by: huntingaddiction on March 10, 2014, 09:05:22 AM
For general hunting purposes, a 3-9x is ideal. the only instance I found more magnification to be needed was on my rifles I use for Ground Squirrel shooting, and I doubt you'll be using a .270 on those... :chuckle:No for ground Squirrels i will stick with my Marlin 39a .22 with the peep sight. That thing is amazing!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 10, 2014, 09:31:06 AM
Has the BDC always been circles??? I thought it use to be hash marks. I am not sure I would like the circles either. My Leupold has hash marks.
Anyone is free to correct me if i'm wrong but Im pretty sure it is for Nikon. Leupy and Zeiss seem to stick with the hash marks. With Zeiss you can go to their website and type in your load particulars and get a yardage for each corresponding has mark. If i get around to that I'll likely make a small printout and tape it to my stock.
My Zeiss has hash marks.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 10, 2014, 09:37:26 AM
For general hunting purposes, a 3-9x is ideal. the only instance I found more magnification to be needed was on my rifles I use for Ground Squirrel shooting, and I doubt you'll be using a .270 on those... :chuckle:No for ground Squirrels i will stick with my Marlin 39a .22 with the peep sight. That thing is amazing!
I think on my next Ground Squirrel trip I'll take my pellet guns. They all have scopes, though. When your eyes get older you learn to like optics more! :chuckle: Seriously, though, a 3-9x is ideal for hunting. Keep it on the 3 to 4x setting for hunting. It's a lot easier to get on target quickly on lower magnification. (I found this out the hard way!) :tup:
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 10, 2014, 09:47:32 AM
Has the BDC always been circles??? I thought it use to be hash marks. I am not sure I would like the circles either. My Leupold has hash marks.
Anyone is free to correct me if i'm wrong but Im pretty sure it is for Nikon. Leupy and Zeiss seem to stick with the hash marks. With Zeiss you can go to their website and type in your load particulars and get a yardage for each corresponding has mark. If i get around to that I'll likely make a small printout and tape it to my stock.
The circles are unique to the Nikon Coyote Special scopes, and it's called the Predator Reticle. The rest of the line of Nikons is available with the BDC Reticle--Dots or hash marks, I don't know which. Regardless of the reticle, you need to test your specific loads as to how they correspond to the drop marks in the reticle. The reticle is not "One Size Fits All". :chuckle: